If any one thinks i shouldnt use this bird seed speak now or forever hold your peace

[extrememetal43]

bought this at wally world. im new to the WBS but i saw this stuff and could not help but think this stuff looks awesum for mushies. i guess your suppost to by wild bird seed...this is for cockatiel. but here's a list of ingredients in this stuff...is there anything in this that will hinder mushroom growth. looks like theres sum really good stuff in here, i noticed the WBS was like 3 ingredients...wheat and millet mostly. really didnt cost that much either!

so whatcha think?

[mydarling]

wow, that is a lot of ingredients.

there is dried brewer's yeast present. that could cause problems once hydrated... although PCing this grain might kill it, so it could be safe...

i noticed there are several extracts from fungal (yeast) and bacteria species... i don't THINK this would be a problem, since the fermentation extracts are present and not the organisms themselves. not sure though.

there are a lot of unknown substances in there so i, personally, would prefer to use something without all the additives, just to be sure. i'd wait and see til some more people chime in though.

[extrememetal43]

ok thanks darling, i thot the same too about so many ingredients...lot of good ones but it only takes one bad i guess. could some one point me to a specific brand just for back up. ya know where im shoppin so im sure many of u go to the same.

[mydarling]

i usually use wagner's wild bird food - it's from OSH hardware.

sorry for the awkward angle in picture

[joystik]

It will work. Follow the teks on wbs and you will do fine.

JoY.

[extrememetal43]

Originally Posted by joystik

It will work. Follow the teks on wbs and you will do fine.

JoY.

awe your awesum, guessin u know from experience. im actually excited seems like a really great cocktail of diverse items and supplements im thinkin whatever nutrients the mush need if they aint in here then well everything is in here i think! look like 3 from the bottom u see kitchen sink haha!

[joystik]

You do have to be very clean to innoculate this type of wbs cause it is very nutritious and any mistakes will cost you, easily. contamination is an issue. Just do your homework and will be ok.

Peace.

[extrememetal43]

what about durin spawning and later down the line when the subs are fruiting...any additional contam issues! im thinkin durin spawning itl be colonized but any problems with the bulk sub contaming earlier?

[extrememetal43]

also i plan on using tv's slurry tek to innoculate...think this will help with the expected super fast colonizing times to prevent contam or am i increasing chance of contam. il be using a glovebox.

[joystik]

If they colonize correctly the first time, there should be no trouble down the road. Of course, there is always the risk of contamination when spawning to bulk subs, but I suppose you already knew that, right?

Like I said before, check out the teks, follow them to the letter, and you will be happy.

[Psoulocybe]

Contaminating a properly hydrated, and properly pasteurized substrate may actually take some work. Most contaminants happen on the spawn that is not completely colonized.

[extrememetal43]

u guys rock

[extrememetal43]

ya know i learned sumthin today. when your tryin sumthin for the first time try to make it as easy as possible. this seed is too advanced for me. theres too many different types of seeds and some only need soaked a minute where as the others need much longer. i read about tryin to avoid corn with seed and they were right...too mushy. too many difference of opinions on here about to boil, not to boil, how long to soak etc and i dont have enough experience to do it by feel which is how ive learned to work in this hobby. so my efforts today have been wasted but 7 bux and sum time to learn an important lesson is not a bad price.

sad thing is i spent 22 bux on a part for my car today i didnt need plus 7 bux for this seed and i just wasted 30 bux today i did not have. plus having another project just shit bomb today and i am one pissed off dude! i got sume Hatebreed crankin right now its workin to get me thru tho!

AAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH PERSEVERANCE...AGAINST ALL OPPOSITON!

[Shadowlord]

That's the kind of WBS I use Extreme. I just put them in a pot, fill w/ water, skim all the floaters off and then after filling and draining a few times I give it a 10 min simmer and then drain in the morning and PC and then Noc up the next day when they are cool.
make sure you shake the hell out of the jars as soon as they are cool enough to do so ( or wear gloves ) keeps from having wetspots and I shake them daily after innoculation as that spreads teh myc around so that it grows from several places and makes it quicker and more complete.

[extrememetal43]

a question too...what do i want to accomplish with soaking the seed! im thinkin i want them to crack open but not be mushy is that right? or like half the seed to crack open. quik rundown of what im trying to do with the seed would be grate! i mean what am i trying to accomplish by soaking. i dont htink the teks really explain it too well. sure following teks to the letter is grate but i kinda need to know the point of what im doin so i can do it by feel!

thanks shadow but i need easier seed right now. i have half the bag and one day i think this will be grate to use but i need KISS

[Shadowlord]

I hear you extreme.
WBS is easiest for me because it was the first thing I tried
Even then it can be hit or miss.
You want them hydrated but not mushy.
everytime I have nocced up jars that the seeds didn't still shake around in there didn't take.
Once again, if I had tried something other than WBS first I am sure I would do something different. I may try popcorn one day. I haev nothing agains BRF but I have never done cakes only trays and tubs.
Best of luck whatever route you go Extreme. I hope for huge yields for you.

[extrememetal43]

see ive been a cake guy for spawn from the start...easy as anythin to me.

alrite well my day sucked like shit til i opened one of my tubs and saw the most beautiful spore design ever. check out the white ring around this thing. just goes to prove aint all bad.

i had already harvested a bunch off this tub this flush so thats what was left...

[joystik]

I agree that easy is best when you are noob. But, if that is what you have to work with, use it. You will shurely learn something in the process. Im sure the experience is worth more than 7 bucks.

So, to answer your question, mycelium not only needs the nutrients in the seeds, it also needs the water. Water content in dry seeds is commonly around 10-20% and you want it to be 60-70% ideally. So the soaking will force the water inside the seeds for the mycelium to take it.

Some seeds need more time soaking than others, so working with WBS u have to compromise. You soak the seed long enough to get the smaller softer seeds completely hidrated, and letting the harder seed get the rest of the water during the PC run. If done right only the cracked seeds will cause trouble (gooey or sticky), in this case we use a little bit of gypsum to prevent this. Its also recommended to shake the jars while still warm (with gloves), separating the grain and preventing clumps.

While it may seem difficult at first, it is really simple. The really complicated stuff here is because its got so many different types of seeds. Thats the reason I use only millet, or popcorn. Using only one type of grain is simpler, however it follows the same principle.

JoY.

[M&M420]

That is a beautiful design on that shroom.Is that a TLY or any other thai strain?

[extrememetal43]

those are the mexican albinos iv been tradin prints for lately. they do come almost white around the edges as stated on ralphsters page. they really are pretty then you throw on that spore design. tellin ya that pic didnt do it much justice(on second look the pic looks good 2). the outline on that thing was perfect. i basically fucked everything on that tub up so dont let it be any indication of what they do...i mean everything. thats the only good thing that came from that tub! awe shit i shoulda sent u one of those 2 meanman with the others...im guessin ul get those tomoro dude!

ive decided to fudge thru with this seed. it looked a lot better after the rinse and drain. i did use gypsum. think im gonna test a few lc's on it that have been in the closet for months then get regular wbs for the slurry tek...thats my important project so id rather be more sure of the seed basically.

how many cc's of lc could a quart jar filled about 3/4 take?

as shadow said a pre rinse on this seed woulda helped a lot so ihavelearned a bunch today. its just so frustrating when your learning, the mistakes can mount up and itl get to u but at the end of the day u realize how much u learned and its all better.

[M&M420]

I should've known by how light they were but I had some TLY nearly identical to that.Definitely a good idea to rinse really well and skim the floaters.It's amazing all the junk that is in there.Are you refering to TVC's slurry tek?Not sure you can use WBS with that however I don't see why it wouldn't work as long as you got you moisture level right.I gave that tek a try the other day and melted the fitting for the blender.Gonna have to go ahead and buy the oster like I should have in the first place.Also thought it was worth noting that if you have trouble with moisture content like I did there is a far more simple way of going about it.I just boil a pot of water,remove it from the burner,throw the seeds in,wait and hour,drain 30 minutes in wire collander, and they come out perfect every time.There's a link in the vaults somewhere.Oh yeah I wouldn't use no more than two cc's on quarts

[extrememetal43]

ya tv's. i see no reason y it wouldnt work. i read a tek and i thot it was lazlos that said to boil water first then add seed but i guess it aint. thats exactly what the plan was for the reg wbs when i get it...prob tomoro after work. now that i think of it maybe i should just use popcorn...

ya man get the oster ive done a ton with that w the 9er tek type stuff or slurrying agar plates etc, i even grind the shrooms in it for chocolates. love my oster and am really lookin forward to this slurry tek. i have 2 multispore strainss colonizing jars right now and for each of em like 2 jars have just blown the other 6 outa the water so perfect timing. im starting to use wbs bc i need more spawn, popcorn seems easier tho and thats what the tek calls for.

im pc'ing about 4 quarts of the seed i was messin with today atm. i wana see how it turns out and like i said test some lc's but if they come out ok il try one with the slurry tek to see if it works.

[mushhut]

Wishin you the best with the new wbs. Hope all goes well for you.

[extrememetal43]

thanks man...nice avatar btw!

[joystik]

Originally Posted by extrememetal43

how many cc's of lc could a quart jar filled about 3/4 take?

I use 5cc for each qt of wbs. But, my grain has no pooling water on the bottom of the jar. Give a 2 min shake and 100% colonization in 4-5 days tops.