substrate bag recipie?

anthony034 · 05-26-09, 15:47

i have decided to work with substrate bags instead of monotubs because of ease.

i have loosely put together a list of things i might need for the sub.

spawn bags - $14.50 - sporeworks
wild bird seed - $12.00 - walmart
horse poo - free - farmer poo
worm castings - have
vermiculite - have
BRF - have
coir - $13.00 - petco
coffee grounds - starbucks
lime - have
gypsum - 10$ - ace
kelp/blood - have
veg oil - have
d earth - 7$ - natures bin
wheat straw - 5$ natures bin

i want to make the best mix possible to fruit in bags. i know it will take some trial and error but does anyone have a good ratio of ingredients for me?

Sidestreet Getaway · 05-26-09, 16:58

Hi, and welcome to Mycotopia.

If it were me, I would go heavy on the hpoo, verm, and straw. I would go very sparingly with the coffee and worm castings.

That's a hell of a mix for your substrate! Hope it works out well for you.

joystik · 05-26-09, 17:05

I do 40% poo+30% coir+30% vermiculite and a cup of BRF for every 5 lbs of wet substrate (bags only).

anthony034 · 05-26-09, 19:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by joystik

I do 40% poo+30% coir+30% vermiculite and a cup of BRF for every 5 lbs of wet substrate (bags only).

i will be directly innoculating my bags with a good EQ isolate, so i need the wbs. what kind of results do you get with your recipie? i am looking to yield at least 4oz over 3 flushes on every bag. i know this will take a lot of fine tuning to achieve, but it is my goal.

i know verm/poo/wbs/straw/coir/brf are a must. the rest of the ingridients i just want to play around with and see what my isolate likes. are there any ingredients listed which are completely un necissary?

Hippie3 · 05-26-09, 19:38

you'll do better doing this in a 2 step process,
first shoot spores onto pure grain [rye or wbs or supercake mix even ]
let that colonize fully
THEN add that to bags of your poo/coir, etc. mix.

anthony034 · 05-27-09, 23:16

i was trying to avoid pressure cooking the jars of grain. i understand its possible to hydrate the grain, and pressure cook everything together, then just innoculate with a hefty amount of liquid culture.

i have done this before successfully with pan cyans in jars though using only millet/poo

i would like to just fruit them in the bags invitro with some kind of mutated strain to cut down on even more labor, space, and contaminate risk. but i could settle for just breaking up the colonized substrate, and casing it in monotubs or trays to be used in a martha setup.

needless to say i'm done washing out qt jars, and tending to 30-50 of them at a time, it's alot of work. i'm moving on to spawn bags anyways so why not just perfect substrate bags, and cut out even more work.

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05-26-09, 15:47	#1 (permalink)
anthony034 Mycophiliac Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 3	substrate bag recipie? i have decided to work with substrate bags instead of monotubs because of ease. i have loosely put together a list of things i might need for the sub. spawn bags - $14.50 - sporeworks wild bird seed - $12.00 - walmart horse poo - free - farmer poo worm castings - have vermiculite - have BRF - have coir - $13.00 - petco coffee grounds - starbucks lime - have gypsum - 10$ - ace kelp/blood - have veg oil - have d earth - 7$ - natures bin wheat straw - 5$ natures bin i want to make the best mix possible to fruit in bags. i know it will take some trial and error but does anyone have a good ratio of ingredients for me?

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Hippie3 DUNG DEALER Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 43,266	you'll do better doing this in a 2 step process, first shoot spores onto pure grain [rye or wbs or supercake mix even ] let that colonize fully THEN add that to bags of your poo/coir, etc. mix. __________________ visit dial-a-hippie .

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05-26-09, 16:58	#2 (permalink)
Sidestreet Getaway Slaptastician Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,319	Hi, and welcome to Mycotopia. If it were me, I would go heavy on the hpoo, verm, and straw. I would go very sparingly with the coffee and worm castings. That's a hell of a mix for your substrate! Hope it works out well for you.

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joystik Mycotopiate Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 455	I do 40% poo+30% coir+30% vermiculite and a cup of BRF for every 5 lbs of wet substrate (bags only).

05-27-09, 23:16	#6 (permalink)
anthony034 Mycophiliac Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 3	i was trying to avoid pressure cooking the jars of grain. i understand its possible to hydrate the grain, and pressure cook everything together, then just innoculate with a hefty amount of liquid culture. i have done this before successfully with pan cyans in jars though using only millet/poo i would like to just fruit them in the bags invitro with some kind of mutated strain to cut down on even more labor, space, and contaminate risk. but i could settle for just breaking up the colonized substrate, and casing it in monotubs or trays to be used in a martha setup. needless to say i'm done washing out qt jars, and tending to 30-50 of them at a time, it's alot of work. i'm moving on to spawn bags anyways so why not just perfect substrate bags, and cut out even more work.