blue mold, will myc overcome it?

lebrony · 05-28-09, 08:07

hey guys, i have a rice cake with about 3 quarters of mycelium fully colonized but the thing is, the rest of the cake is turning into blueish mold/contam.. the myc seems to be still growing and i was wondering what to do with this.. i don't really want to throw the cake out since its my last one.. i still have prints but if theres a way i could save this one it would be amazing.. i'll upload pics later tonight, i just got home from a 12 hour night shift and its bed time for me now!

thanks in advance for any answers

Azuloso83 · 05-28-09, 08:17

Hey Lebrony,
I can't say w/out seeing pics, but if your "mold" has no greenish tinge to it you might be OK. Check out this thread:

http://forums.mycotopia.net/fungi-gr...-bruising.html (is this mold or bruising)

Hope it proves useful...and good luck!

Om shanti · 05-28-09, 11:36

If it's definitely mold -
I know it's not the answer you're looking for, but IME, considering the rather high risk of failure, it's easy to spend too much time on trying to salvage half dead cakes. If I have enough spores I will much rather start over again. Making new cakes is a great joy IMO.

But good luck whatever you choose to do! :-)

buteo · 05-28-09, 11:53

id have to agree on starting over. just wouldnt be worth the time imo. spores are easy to get but time u can never get back

stimpy · 05-28-09, 12:18

Well if u swab the mold spot with a q-tip, u will know its mold if it rubs off on the qtip. If it doesnt, its probably bruised and needs a dunk

lebrony · 05-28-09, 18:58

ok thanks for the answers.. no it's not bruising.. it does have a greenish tint to it..
as promised here are the pics but what i think i will do is cut the part of the cake which has contams on it off and start fruiting the other part as i once did before..

wearegomba · 05-28-09, 19:24

ouch

piggy69 · 05-28-09, 19:30

Has a trich sort of colour, Doesnt it?

Launch it!

Away from everything else!

Irishlion · 05-28-09, 19:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by lebrony

ok thanks for the answers.. no it's not bruising.. it does have a greenish tint to it..
as promised here are the pics but what i think i will do is cut the part of the cake which has contams on it off and start fruiting the other part as i once did before..

that is most diffently one of the strains of trich, don't open those jars in your house if you are gonna try and cut that away, do it outside and sterilize everything with bleach or iso before bringing it back into the house.

lebrony · 05-28-09, 19:58

why do it outside? i dont understand what you mean by trich.. i already did cut it inside and i didn't sterilize.. i keep what was good and cased it.. think i will have any luck? heres a pic.. i cased it with verm and pete moss..

Irishlion · 05-28-09, 20:21

The reason you don't open jars with molds in them is because they have air born spores, did you notice a nice dusty kinda layer come off it when you cut the trich out.

That powdery dust is all trich spores bro, so I am willing to bet you will see alot more of that mold.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trichoderma

lebrony · 05-28-09, 20:33

shit.. i did see a powder when i cut it.. so you think the mold will grow in my casing even if i only kept the myc?

Irishlion · 05-28-09, 21:12

The healthy mycelium may prevent trich from germinating on it, but, I doubt the casing would be so lucky, if you used a straight verm casing but, peat moss and trich seem to get along, so if that casing material was applied or opened after pasterization in the area that the trich was opened in I doubt it will make it long, but, who knows man, mycelium is some resiliant shit sometimes and it wins, lets hope this is the case here.

lebrony · 05-28-09, 21:20

hmm alright, well thanks for the help man.. atleast i'll know for next time..

i'm still gonna wait this one out and see what happens... like you said mycelium can be a real miracle worker sometimes!

i'll post an update in a few days!!

lebrony · 06-06-09, 13:07

ok just a little update... no shrooms yet and no pins but the moldy smell is almost all gone and it smells like mycelium again

also the pete moss on the bottom has rhizomorphic myc growing all over it.. i had no idea mycelium could grow on pete moss.. so what i did is i added a jar of colonized popcorn over the original casing and ovet that another layer of verm.. i hope this will turn out well

CRAMKO · 06-06-09, 14:50

SWIM injected a little nute solution in a set of cakes that took too long and dried out, prolly should have used plain water, but said what the hell.
Actually worked very well, but one jar got the trich, SWIM injected a bleach solution in contamned jar before opening, that kept the trich from getting all over, and was able to save the colonized part of the cake. This trich outbreak was on the outside of the cake, don't really think there would be much worth saving if it was inside.

buteo · 06-06-09, 14:56

for the future...if someone says a word you do not understand, and it comes up yellow. You can click on it and than you will know exactly what they are talking about. Some cases a word means multiple things...but that a chance you must take. Green mold sucks (aka trich) and i have a tub that was spent i have to clean out. well old greenie moved in so i locked the lid town til im ready to murder the fungus outside away from my projects. Those spores go airborn quick so you must be careful not to disturb them or else they will fly around and cling to anything and eventually make way into your projects.

lebrony · 06-06-09, 15:19

ok.. but about the last two posts..

i just posted that my casing is actually doing ok now and the mycelium which i kept didn't get affected by the trich.. and is growing more mycelium..

buteo · 06-06-09, 16:09

yea i seen that. thats awesome. Ive had it happen...but as of now i get so much projects going...it isnt worth my time saving a contamed jar...i just toss it. i guess if sum1 only has few projects its worth the extra effort. Good Job!

lebrony · 06-06-09, 16:27

man i wish i had several projects.. one day..

i tried saving it because its one of my last.. wouldn't wanna lose it all!

i cant wait to see if anything actually pops up im getting the urge to boom the night away

240punk · 06-06-09, 18:17

sending positive vibes man
hope it happens for ya

Hippie3 · 06-06-09, 18:22

be aware
any fruits will likely have mold spores on them
so never take prints
from a crop off previously contam'd substrate

lebrony · 06-07-09, 08:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hippie3

be aware
any fruits will likely have mold spores on them
so never take prints
from a crop off previously contam'd substrate

alright, thanks for the advice.. would cloning be safe though?

Hippie3 · 06-07-09, 08:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by lebrony

alright, thanks for the advice.. would cloning be safe though?

from interior tissue only

lebrony · 06-07-09, 20:32

this is what its looking like

chrisbossjake · 06-08-09, 00:24

Your gonna want to make sure the bottom of that container doesnt get any light to it! If that pins on the bottom they could rott and ruin your fun. My $.02

lebrony · 06-08-09, 06:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by chrisbossjake

Your gonna want to make sure the bottom of that container doesnt get any light to it! If that pins on the bottom they could rott and ruin your fun. My $.02

good point thanks a lot.. and just wondering out of curiosity, does myc grow on verm?

nyi · 06-08-09, 07:17

For the next try place a little bit perlite on the bottom of the tray as a draining layer (vermiculite will work too), but a draining layer isn't necessary at all. what growing in your draining layer is healthy rhyzomorphic mycelium, no pins, no primordia, notning, but mycelium.

I'd not expose bottom and sides of the tray to light, or you'll get pins, where you can not harvest. But if you keep things clean, not-harvested pins won't rot, but reintegrate as mycelium. Better be safe then sorry, use some tinfoil, or dark plastic sheet to cut off the light from the bottom and sides of the tray.

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05-28-09, 08:07	#1 (permalink)
lebrony Stoner Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 407	blue mold, will myc overcome it? hey guys, i have a rice cake with about 3 quarters of mycelium fully colonized but the thing is, the rest of the cake is turning into blueish mold/contam.. the myc seems to be still growing and i was wondering what to do with this.. i don't really want to throw the cake out since its my last one.. i still have prints but if theres a way i could save this one it would be amazing.. i'll upload pics later tonight, i just got home from a 12 hour night shift and its bed time for me now! thanks in advance for any answers __________________ ''When troubled times, Begin to bother me I take a toke, And all my cares Go up in smoke.'' -cheech and chong

05-28-09, 08:17	#2 (permalink)
Azuloso83 Mycophage Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 177	Hey Lebrony, I can't say w/out seeing pics, but if your "mold" has no greenish tinge to it you might be OK. Check out this thread: http://forums.mycotopia.net/fungi-gr...-bruising.html (is this mold or bruising) Hope it proves useful...and good luck! __________________ "That is the exploration that awaits you—not mapping stars and studying nebulae, but charting the unknown possibilities of existence".- Q

05-28-09, 11:36	#3 (permalink)
Om shanti S.W.I.M. in H.POO Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,297	If it's definitely mold - I know it's not the answer you're looking for, but IME, considering the rather high risk of failure, it's easy to spend too much time on trying to salvage half dead cakes. If I have enough spores I will much rather start over again. Making new cakes is a great joy IMO. But good luck whatever you choose to do! :-) __________________ The most important thing is to find out what is the most important thing.-S. Suzuki

05-28-09, 11:53	#4 (permalink)
buteo Imbicilzzzz Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 1,355	id have to agree on starting over. just wouldnt be worth the time imo. spores are easy to get but time u can never get back __________________ Im only what i think i am

05-28-09, 12:18	#5 (permalink)
stimpy rawr Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 411	Well if u swab the mold spot with a q-tip, u will know its mold if it rubs off on the qtip. If it doesnt, its probably bruised and needs a dunk __________________ RAWWR

05-28-09, 18:58	#6 (permalink)
lebrony Stoner Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 407	ok thanks for the answers.. no it's not bruising.. it does have a greenish tint to it.. as promised here are the pics but what i think i will do is cut the part of the cake which has contams on it off and start fruiting the other part as i once did before.. Attached Thumbnails __________________ ''When troubled times, Begin to bother me I take a toke, And all my cares Go up in smoke.'' -cheech and chong

05-28-09, 19:24	#7 (permalink)
wearegomba Mycophiliac Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 44	ouch __________________ By way of deception thou shalt do war

05-28-09, 19:30	#8 (permalink)
piggy69 Mycophiliac Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 98	Has a trich sort of colour, Doesnt it? Launch it! Away from everything else! __________________ What doesnt kill me makes me stranger.

05-28-09, 19:58	#10 (permalink)
lebrony Stoner Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 407	why do it outside? i dont understand what you mean by trich.. i already did cut it inside and i didn't sterilize.. i keep what was good and cased it.. think i will have any luck? heres a pic.. i cased it with verm and pete moss.. Attached Thumbnails __________________ ''When troubled times, Begin to bother me I take a toke, And all my cares Go up in smoke.'' -cheech and chong

05-28-09, 20:21	#11 (permalink)
Irishlion KEY MASTER Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 3,343	The reason you don't open jars with molds in them is because they have air born spores, did you notice a nice dusty kinda layer come off it when you cut the trich out. That powdery dust is all trich spores bro, so I am willing to bet you will see alot more of that mold. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trichoderma __________________ a man without honor isn't a man at all but, a soul trapped in a flesh body that is lost in a void of its own making

05-28-09, 20:33	#12 (permalink)
lebrony Stoner Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 407	shit.. i did see a powder when i cut it.. so you think the mold will grow in my casing even if i only kept the myc? __________________ ''When troubled times, Begin to bother me I take a toke, And all my cares Go up in smoke.'' -cheech and chong

05-28-09, 21:12	#13 (permalink)
Irishlion KEY MASTER Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 3,343	The healthy mycelium may prevent trich from germinating on it, but, I doubt the casing would be so lucky, if you used a straight verm casing but, peat moss and trich seem to get along, so if that casing material was applied or opened after pasterization in the area that the trich was opened in I doubt it will make it long, but, who knows man, mycelium is some resiliant shit sometimes and it wins, lets hope this is the case here. __________________ a man without honor isn't a man at all but, a soul trapped in a flesh body that is lost in a void of its own making

05-28-09, 21:20	#14 (permalink)
lebrony Stoner Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 407	hmm alright, well thanks for the help man.. atleast i'll know for next time.. i'm still gonna wait this one out and see what happens... like you said mycelium can be a real miracle worker sometimes! i'll post an update in a few days!! __________________ ''When troubled times, Begin to bother me I take a toke, And all my cares Go up in smoke.'' -cheech and chong

06-06-09, 13:07	#15 (permalink)
lebrony Stoner Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 407	ok just a little update... no shrooms yet and no pins but the moldy smell is almost all gone and it smells like mycelium again also the pete moss on the bottom has rhizomorphic myc growing all over it.. i had no idea mycelium could grow on pete moss.. so what i did is i added a jar of colonized popcorn over the original casing and ovet that another layer of verm.. i hope this will turn out well __________________ ''When troubled times, Begin to bother me I take a toke, And all my cares Go up in smoke.'' -cheech and chong

06-06-09, 14:50	#16 (permalink)
CRAMKO Mycophiliac Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 39	Trich IN JAR SWIM injected a little nute solution in a set of cakes that took too long and dried out, prolly should have used plain water, but said what the hell. Actually worked very well, but one jar got the trich, SWIM injected a bleach solution in contamned jar before opening, that kept the trich from getting all over, and was able to save the colonized part of the cake. This trich outbreak was on the outside of the cake, don't really think there would be much worth saving if it was inside.

06-06-09, 14:56	#17 (permalink)
buteo Imbicilzzzz Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 1,355	for the future...if someone says a word you do not understand, and it comes up yellow. You can click on it and than you will know exactly what they are talking about. Some cases a word means multiple things...but that a chance you must take. Green mold sucks (aka trich) and i have a tub that was spent i have to clean out. well old greenie moved in so i locked the lid town til im ready to murder the fungus outside away from my projects. Those spores go airborn quick so you must be careful not to disturb them or else they will fly around and cling to anything and eventually make way into your projects. __________________ Im only what i think i am

06-06-09, 15:19	#18 (permalink)
lebrony Stoner Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 407	ok.. but about the last two posts.. i just posted that my casing is actually doing ok now and the mycelium which i kept didn't get affected by the trich.. and is growing more mycelium.. __________________ ''When troubled times, Begin to bother me I take a toke, And all my cares Go up in smoke.'' -cheech and chong

06-06-09, 16:09	#19 (permalink)
buteo Imbicilzzzz Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 1,355	yea i seen that. thats awesome. Ive had it happen...but as of now i get so much projects going...it isnt worth my time saving a contamed jar...i just toss it. i guess if sum1 only has few projects its worth the extra effort. Good Job! __________________ Im only what i think i am

06-06-09, 16:27	#20 (permalink)
lebrony Stoner Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 407	man i wish i had several projects.. one day.. i tried saving it because its one of my last.. wouldn't wanna lose it all! i cant wait to see if anything actually pops up im getting the urge to boom the night away __________________ ''When troubled times, Begin to bother me I take a toke, And all my cares Go up in smoke.'' -cheech and chong

06-06-09, 18:17	#21 (permalink)
240punk Mother and Destroyer Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 120	sending positive vibes man hope it happens for ya __________________ Who tends the light at the end of your tunnel?

06-06-09, 18:22	#22 (permalink)
Hippie3 DUNG DEALER Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 43,277	be aware any fruits will likely have mold spores on them so never take prints from a crop off previously contam'd substrate __________________ visit dial-a-hippie .

06-07-09, 20:32	#25 (permalink)
lebrony Stoner Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 407	this is what its looking like Attached Thumbnails __________________ ''When troubled times, Begin to bother me I take a toke, And all my cares Go up in smoke.'' -cheech and chong

06-08-09, 00:24	#26 (permalink)
chrisbossjake Mycophage Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 109	Your gonna want to make sure the bottom of that container doesnt get any light to it! If that pins on the bottom they could rott and ruin your fun. My $.02

06-08-09, 07:17	#28 (permalink)
nyi Mycophage Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 104	For the next try place a little bit perlite on the bottom of the tray as a draining layer (vermiculite will work too), but a draining layer isn't necessary at all. what growing in your draining layer is healthy rhyzomorphic mycelium, no pins, no primordia, notning, but mycelium. I'd not expose bottom and sides of the tray to light, or you'll get pins, where you can not harvest. But if you keep things clean, not-harvested pins won't rot, but reintegrate as mycelium. Better be safe then sorry, use some tinfoil, or dark plastic sheet to cut off the light from the bottom and sides of the tray. __________________ We're animals... nature just decided, that the next global disaster shouldn't be an big fat asteroid... it should be an animal.

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