uncased coir sub in green house

[boots420]

I have tried the search, yet still cant find a definitive answer. Just wanted to see what the consensus would be.

I have lately been fruiting wbs/coir subs without a casing layer. Rh at a steady 95%, FAE constant with coolmist. Temps 72-75.

I get quite the healthy amount of pins, whole tray damn near covered, but only about 50% actually finish growing. The rest pretty much abort.

Is my rh too high? The green house stays pretty saturated; droplets on the walls, and foggy most the time. Should I bring it down a tad after pinning?

[mycowarrier]

I dont think the RH is too high. You say you have good pin coverage but 50% aborts. Are they cubies? Some strains pin heavy and only so many can reach maturity due to nutrient competion. The aborts are still good to harvest and very potent. You might try another strain like Amazon or b+ if you want less aborts and bigger fruits. Just my opinion.

[boots420]

Yep they are cubes. Redboy to be exact. But what dont understand is although all of the trays are the same, a few do better than others. My yield isnt horrible, normally 1-2 oz. per tray. I just know if the whole tray is pinning I should be able to get the whole thing to fruit out not just half. I dont think nutes are the problem as I spawn quite heavy to the coir.

[johnnydigital]

multispore? or clone/lc?

[boots420]

lc from a multi spore.

[mycowarrier]

I suspect it is the Redboy that is causing the large amount of aborts. I believe it to be a mutant like the Penis envy. They can be tempermental from what i hear. I have no personal experience with mutants however.

Sorry. The Reboy is a hybrid and not a mutant. From the recessive red-spore gene.

[Hippie3]

uncased like that
i'd aim that rh even higher-
99-100%.
that'll give fewer aborts.
better though, imo, to case it.

[boots420]

Interesting. I didn't know Redboy was a mutant. If so that would def make since. I started a lc from mutispore about 2 years ago, and have been passing that onto new lc's for quite awhile now. Then from lc to wbs, wbs to coir. Maybe its the combination of mutan/substrain in the lc?

Maybe its time to start anew.

[Hippie3]

redboy is NOT a 'mutant'-
it's a hybrid .

[boots420]

I have no problem bringing up the rh that high hip, but with the uncased subs things can get quite a bit soggy with water pooling on the surface of the sub. So it could quite possibly be that my rh is a bit too low?

I just like going without the casing layer as i get decent results and it takes a few steps out of the equation. Maybe I will have to try and case em next time.

Thanks for the clarification of the hybrid/mutant.

[Hippie3]

soggy means condensation,
you can prevent that.
truly massive pinsets need greater substrate depth to support-
how deep is yours ?

[boots420]

Have a substrate depth at 2". Trays are 11"x21".

[Hippie3]

try double that, 4 inches of sub.

[BlazedChillin]

Yea bro if your getting standing water cut back on the time your coolmist runs. Droplets are ok but you dont want pooling.
If you have been going LC to LC for a year your myc may be getting weak and that could be a reason for all the aborts. And multispore would be the reason that one tray preforms better than another.

[boots420]

Will do Hip, 4 inches next time, and I will report the outcome.

BlazedChillen: As for the standing water. this was not common with cased trays as the casing absorbed the moisture and I never had a problem. This going without the casing layer is quite new to me, as I am used to doing the latter.

[BlazedChillin]

Its all good I saw that you have been around far longer than me.

I'm actually thinking of starting to case. Sofar I have been doing uncased coir and it seems that if you dont keep the humidity above 95% all the time the sub only gives one good flush before it starts to dry and turn yellow on the top.(?overlay?)

In a nutshell I'm thinking the effort put into the casing layer will save me all the trouble of constantly adjusting timers to keep humidity up without puddles in the bottom of the greenhouse.