My first cloning experience

[RedOctober]

So I cloned an absolute monster for further use in logs. All went fine and I made several logs and put them into a multi tier fruiting chamber. I have an ultrasonic humidifier on the floor which I run a few hours a day. I noticed several things. For one, while my results were pretty good, I had no shrooms that were identical or even close in size to the original. Furthermore, I noticed great variation and inconsistencies in the pinsets and morphology of the shrooms from log to log. The ones on the upper shelves where it was more humid seemed to produce longer fruits while those on the floor where it was a bit cooler and less humid had shorter, thicker ones. My pinsets seemed to have no rhyme or reason as some fruited only on one side, some sparsely and others densly and all over.

If there is a question in all this, it would be is cloning supposed to be this way? I was under the impression that a clone should be similar to its progenitor, and more consistent. I feel I've had just as good if not better results from spore generated logs. Is it that the slightest difference in environmental conditions from the top to the bottom of the chamber is causing these strange results?

[mycowarrier]

Hey RedO, being your first clonning [and you did'nt give details] could it be that spores got into the works. It's really not as easy to keep spores away as one might think. If ANY caps opened around your work area they got on the tissue for sure. That may not be the reason for the variations of the fruits but could be. I dont clone but some swear by it and say it makes for much more reliable and even flushes. Im not that picky and grow my share by multi-spore.

[Soliver]

I doubt it's random spores in the air... if your cloning tek is that loose, rogue shroom
spores would be the least of your concerns...

It all depends on what you clone. If you only clone for size, that's all you can really
expect, given similar growing parameters. Ideally, you clone a monster shroom from
a CLUSTER of monster shrooms that developed from a great flush under the same
growing parameters you will be using consistently.

All shrooms will grow / look differently under even slightly different growing conditions,
as you have seen. I usually clone medium to large fruits, yes, but I pay more
attention to the cluster(s) it grew from, flushes, longevity before contaming, etc.



soliver

[Getitosis]

Originally Posted by Soliver

Ideally, you clone a monster shroom from
a CLUSTER of monster shrooms that developed from a great flush under the same growing parameters you will be using consistently.

true that! that is the key for more consistent clone grows imo. rarely ever do I clone a solitary monster. If I get one that's as big as a baby's leg one day I might reconsider, but until then they all come from clusters.

cloning fruits from clusters gives you more bang for your buck.

[RedOctober]

Great, great advice Soliver! You are truly a mushroom God! I'm not sure why, but none of my fruits resembled the one I cloned from which was about 120g wet by itself. I nearly soiled myself when I picked it but as you say it was a solitary fruit not from a cluster. It was also a second flush mush I believe. I'm not sure if that makes a difference? Do you only want to clone from the first flush?

I'll try again from a good cluster and see if I get more even results.

So you don't think that there is enough climate variation from the top to the bottom of the chamber that skewed the results? I was thinking that since it is a 3 tier chamber I may have ended up with microclimates that impacted things. (boy I feel like a real scientist using words like microclimate)

[Soliver]

Sure- your FC certainly has those microwhatevers you mentioned, which certainly
affect your fruits' appearance. As for cloning from 1st or 2nd flush, I don't really
think it should matter? I suppose it's possible that the 2nd flush shrooms are a
separate substrain, but that seems unlikely at best.



soliver