Not sure if my first flush is over...

BBlack · 06-26-09, 10:10

My very first grow with PF tek cakes has produced a fair amount of mushrooms, but I'm not sure if it's done with it's first flush. The cakes have been in the fruiting chamber for almost two weeks now, and I've harvested 3 large mushrooms, but there are still a lot of pins and small/medium sized shrooms around on the cakes. Does one flush usually take two weeks to complete?

Also, I'm not sure which are aborts and which are pins that I can leave on the cake to dunk. I can see a lot have darker caps, they're a deep brownish/burgandy (Koh Samui, if that makes a difference), while others have a lighter color. I'm thinking the ones with darker caps are aborts, but if this flush is over, I will just pick everything (although I don't want to pick off a pin that could potentially grow into a big shroom later on..)

I stole this pic from another thread on here, and mine look just like this, the small darker ones and the large light ones. The dark ones are definitely aborts, correct?

TastyBeverage · 06-26-09, 10:29

A better indicator than color is time. If you have fruits that haven't changed size in well over 24 hours (especially in a big cluster like that) then i would say that yes, they are likely aborts if you're doing everything else correctly.

However, 2 weeks is a bit long for one flush. Are you getting enough FAE?

mydarling · 06-26-09, 10:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by BBlack

The dark ones are definitely aborts, correct?

those just look like immature fruits to me. small fruits at that stage have darker caps than when they mature. IME aborted caps are truly black (no white spots like you see there) - they are usually also disproportionately small and pointy.

i agree with bev, inactivity over a 24hr period is a better indicator.

M&M420 · 06-26-09, 10:47

Hopefully they aren't aborts cause that's a very nice cluster.I'll cross my fingers for ya buddy

whatchamacallit · 06-26-09, 10:54

Usually the aborts have caps that get almost dark black/blue, like a bruise. Those look just immature. As for the flush, not all strains have definite flushes, and produce a few pins here and there gradually over time. SWIM finds it best to pick it clean when 80-90% of the pins have matured, then dunk.

BBlack · 06-26-09, 11:51

Ok, I'll let all the pins I see mature. I already picked a few of the ones I though were aborts, but not many.

Do aborts and pins have the same potency?

pizark2 · 06-26-09, 12:19

aborts are a little more potent imo

Tango0202 · 06-26-09, 12:40

I have this happen quite often with cakes, I believe that the cake runs out of water and the mushroom cannot finish. I would pick them all after the bigger ones are done and dunk it for 12 hours.

I see this happen mostly with small cakes they tend to not be able to produce as large of a mushroom as say a tub or a pint cake even.

MLBjammer · 06-26-09, 12:46

Or feed your casing layers some water. The big fruits do use up a lot of water, but it's a shame to pick those before they mature. I didn't see any aborts from your picture. When you do dunk, I would suggest dunking for 20-24 hours, as it takes time for the cakes to absorb moisture, as they are so dense. Nice looking cake!

whatchamacallit · 06-26-09, 13:00

Just a little side note, SWIM has noticed that dunking cakes with pins, under an inch, or especially a half inch or less, doesn't seem to cause them to abort, and they can usually fully mature.

M&M420 · 06-26-09, 13:03

^^Agreed

BBlack · 06-26-09, 17:33

Just so you all know, that's not a picture of one of my cakes, like I said, it's someone elses, but it looks similar to mine.

I'm going to keep my cakes going for another couple days, and see if the fruits mature. None of them really have black caps, they are all the color of the ones in the picture I posted.

GadgetGuy · 06-26-09, 17:50

I thought and correct me if Im wrong somebody that I read you can actually use an old syringe with sterile/distilled water to inject water into the cakes if they are too dry during fruiting? It seems like that would be a decent way to get more water in there for the mushies if the theory is in fact right.

MLBjammer · 06-27-09, 05:15

You can, but it doesn't work very well, as compared to dunking,

koldjgdaro · 06-27-09, 07:57

Aborts turn pointy. Normal pins have nice, round hats, often with spots, but aborts just turn very very dark, even black and get pointy. Leaving aborts on cakes never did any harm to my flushes. If there's something growing, which you can easily observe in 24 hours period, then your cake is ready to dunk.
But even dunking (8-12 hours) a couple of pins won't hurt them. They will pause growth and start growing again when the conditions get back to normal. Dunking is just like rain for the mycelium and its fruits.

BBlack · 06-27-09, 09:13

Well I think my second flush has started on it's own...It's been two weeks now and I've picked all the big fat ones, but now there are tall skinnier ones growing, which is a sign of a different flush. They're already gotten pretty big, too big to dunk I think.

What should I do?

MLBjammer · 06-27-09, 09:54

Just add drops of water to your casing layers, wait for the flush to finish, then dunk. Shrooms grow in waves more than flushes anyway. We hope that fruits all mature at the same time, but in many cases they just don't, especially on cakes.

BBlack · 06-27-09, 10:08

So if I understand correctly, each flush will have waves of shrooms?

I don't know when the flush is over!

suckerfree · 06-27-09, 10:20

The flush is over when you pick them all...

Dunk... wait... pick them all... dunk wait... pick them all.... it doesn't really matter much... I pick em as they come before the veil breaks... when things slow down I rehydrate... and wait for more!

BBlack · 06-27-09, 16:36

Alright, I understand. So dunking isn't even necessary? My cakes still seem to be producing fruits consistently, so I'll just let them be.

mydarling · 06-27-09, 16:44

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Originally Posted by suckerfree

The flush is over when you pick them all...

i was just gonna say that!

the mushrooms will continue growing in waves if you let them do it. IME if you let a flush keep going, the fruits will get smaller as the flush continues, which is a good sign IMO to pick everything and dunk. i like to use dunking as a way to "force" the end of a flush - it forces the substrate to take a break, recover, rehydrate, and prepare for a new batch of mushies.

dunking is not "necessary" but you will get smaller and smaller fruits if you just let it keep going, as the nutrients and water particularly are exhausted.

Coopdog · 06-27-09, 17:43

I got one big flush with my Treasure COast, and then a half dozen skinny ones, had tons of pins, but they did not show activity in a couple days, so I picked them off and redunked. I had brand new pins the next day all over the substrate.

So I picked off about ten to twelve little aborts and just left them on a paper plate for a couple days and sort of forgot about them. Went to roll one, and there they were one morning. Seeing as I had 4 hours before I went to work, I chewed them up and washed them down with some OJ with my morning coffee. Damn was I surprised to get one helluva buzz more than I expected.

I had mild OEV's and pretty good cev's and everything was rainbow colored still 4 hrs later when I had to go to work

I was really enjoying my bose headphones at work that day

So yeah, the pins are quite a bit more potent. I would equate the half gram or so that I ate to a mild 1.5 to two gram dose. It hung in there for a few hours too, so I won't be playing with them before work anymore lol.

PEace....

BBlack · 06-27-09, 23:19

sounds good.

But it wont work that way with pins, will it? Aborts are stronger than just regular pins (immature mushrooms)?

the_chosen_one · 06-27-09, 23:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by BBlack

sounds good.

But it wont work that way with pins, will it? Aborts are stronger than just regular pins (immature mushrooms)?

to some degree, but pins are pretty potent too due to density. ime TC aborts also tend to be a bit tall and lanky.. failing at a more mature stage.

fun_guy · 06-28-09, 00:04

so eating aborts and pins are not only ok but sometimes perferred?

mydarling · 06-28-09, 00:45

yes.

don't throw those babies away.

whatchamacallit · 06-28-09, 00:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by fun_guy

so eating aborts and pins are not only ok but sometimes perferred?

Yes!

Raoul Duke · 06-28-09, 01:24

Love those mutant aborts (well, love-hate). SWIM likes to make "psiloliquer" with his. Here's a small patron bottle filled with aborts and then topped off with Everclear 190 proof and a drop of lemon juice! Let it brew in a cool dark place and save for a rainy day or better yet a sunny one

fun_guy · 06-28-09, 10:30

come to think of it i remember getting small shrooms in my last bag but thought nothing of it, that was well before i was facinated with fungus

pizark2 · 06-28-09, 10:58

raoul-thats some gnarly jar of goodness you got there

BBlack · 06-28-09, 11:02

Alright, well, this whole time I've been thinking flushes were natural things, like a cake would produce pins, mature shrooms, harvest, and that was a flush. I didn't know it was when you picked everything.

Anyway, I'm going to dunk a few of the cakes that need it. There is one that hasn't shown much activity until it pretty much exploded with clusters of pins. Not sure if I should dunk it or not. All the pins are small, but I'm sure dunking would make them all grow larger than if I didn't, and I want as much as possible! What do you think I should do?

And regarding drying, I've put all the fruits I've harvested on a fan and left them for a day or so, and they are relatively dry, but they still have a spongy feeling to them. I have them in set up in a dessicant (sp) chamber, it's one of those DampRid things, calcium chloride, but it doesn't seem to be doing much. Anything you guys would suggest?

GadgetGuy · 06-28-09, 11:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raoul Duke

Love those mutant aborts (well, love-hate). SWIM likes to make "psiloliquer" with his. Here's a small patron bottle filled with aborts and then topped off with Everclear 190 proof and a drop of lemon juice! Let it brew in a cool dark place and save for a rainy day or better yet a sunny one

How long do you let that sit before consumption?

Raoul Duke · 06-28-09, 14:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by GadgetGuy

How long do you let that sit before consumption?

Depends on if I have other stuff lying around

You can watch it get darker and darker. The last one I had I let sit for almost a year! Was almost a greyish purple color when poured. I'm sure the alcohol absorbs the "goodness" fairly quickly so probably a few weeks and it would be good. I even add some MJ or Kief sometimes for that extra kick

gnostic19 · 06-28-09, 15:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raoul Duke

Depends on if I have other stuff lying around

You can watch it get darker and darker. The last one I had I let sit for almost a year! Was almost a greyish purple color when poured. I'm sure the alcohol absorbs the "goodness" fairly quickly so probably a few weeks and it would be good. I even add some MJ or Kief sometimes for that extra kick

I'm trying to figure out a way for long-term storage...like 4-12 months. Now i am drying and putting in a jar and putting in freezer. This everclear concept i intriguing...is this for storage or jut a technique for consuption? You cover shrooms with ceverclear, add a few drops of lemon and let stand at room temp in darkness, then you drink the everclear or eat the dhroms ort both? The evercelar extracts the psyllocibin or ir simply keeps shrooms from spoiling? And you do it with dried or fresh shrooms?

BBlack · 06-28-09, 18:12

Now my cakes are producing pretty small fruits, and I want it to stop! But I dont want to pick everything that could potentially grow bigger in a day, but I dont want more to keep coming!

What should I do?

the_chosen_one · 06-28-09, 18:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by BBlack

Alright, well, this whole time I've been thinking flushes were natural things, like a cake would produce pins, mature shrooms, harvest, and that was a flush. I didn't know it was when you picked everything.

Anyway, I'm going to dunk a few of the cakes that need it. There is one that hasn't shown much activity until it pretty much exploded with clusters of pins. Not sure if I should dunk it or not. All the pins are small, but I'm sure dunking would make them all grow larger than if I didn't, and I want as much as possible! What do you think I should do?

And regarding drying, I've put all the fruits I've harvested on a fan and left them for a day or so, and they are relatively dry, but they still have a spongy feeling to them. I have them in set up in a dessicant (sp) chamber, it's one of those DampRid things, calcium chloride, but it doesn't seem to be doing much. Anything you guys would suggest?

flushes are natural, however, if one waits for the next to begin without harvesting the first there will be rotting of the first. certainly not good.

as for drying, it helps to put them in front of a fan for a couple days first, then put in the dessicant chamber. once in there it still takes a few days to fully dry.

the_chosen_one · 06-28-09, 18:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by gnostic19

I'm trying to figure out a way for long-term storage...like 4-12 months. Now i am drying and putting in a jar and putting in freezer. This everclear concept i intriguing...is this for storage or jut a technique for consuption? You cover shrooms with ceverclear, add a few drops of lemon and let stand at room temp in darkness, then you drink the everclear or eat the dhroms ort both? The evercelar extracts the psyllocibin or ir simply keeps shrooms from spoiling? And you do it with dried or fresh shrooms?

http://forums.mycotopia.net/trip-inn...everclear.html (Psilo extract in Everclear)

-consumption mostly.

-drink or both. *shivers at option two.

-extracts mostly with some storage capicity when put in a freezer.

-i prefer dry, but both work.

the_chosen_one · 06-28-09, 18:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by BBlack

Now my cakes are producing pretty small fruits, and I want it to stop! But I dont want to pick everything that could potentially grow bigger in a day, but I dont want more to keep coming!

What should I do?

stop and breathe

GadgetGuy · 06-28-09, 19:52

If they are starting to grow real small why not just pick them and dunk the cake/s overnight and flush them again? Its not going to hurt anything and will greatly improve 3rd, 4th etc. flushes over getting a bunch of half sized fruits. There will be more to come buddy

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06-26-09, 10:10	#1 (permalink)
BBlack Mycophage Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 127	Not sure if my first flush is over... My very first grow with PF tek cakes has produced a fair amount of mushrooms, but I'm not sure if it's done with it's first flush. The cakes have been in the fruiting chamber for almost two weeks now, and I've harvested 3 large mushrooms, but there are still a lot of pins and small/medium sized shrooms around on the cakes. Does one flush usually take two weeks to complete? Also, I'm not sure which are aborts and which are pins that I can leave on the cake to dunk. I can see a lot have darker caps, they're a deep brownish/burgandy (Koh Samui, if that makes a difference), while others have a lighter color. I'm thinking the ones with darker caps are aborts, but if this flush is over, I will just pick everything (although I don't want to pick off a pin that could potentially grow into a big shroom later on..) I stole this pic from another thread on here, and mine look just like this, the small darker ones and the large light ones. The dark ones are definitely aborts, correct?

06-26-09, 10:29	#2 (permalink)
TastyBeverage thirsty for more Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 2,482	A better indicator than color is time. If you have fruits that haven't changed size in well over 24 hours (especially in a big cluster like that) then i would say that yes, they are likely aborts if you're doing everything else correctly. However, 2 weeks is a bit long for one flush. Are you getting enough FAE? __________________ Why do little blue men hit me with fish?

06-26-09, 10:54	#5 (permalink)
whatchamacallit Deadhead Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,170	Usually the aborts have caps that get almost dark black/blue, like a bruise. Those look just immature. As for the flush, not all strains have definite flushes, and produce a few pins here and there gradually over time. SWIM finds it best to pick it clean when 80-90% of the pins have matured, then dunk. __________________ I'm addicted to placebos, I could quit but it wouldn't matter.. http://deadvids.com/dv3 24/7 Dead Videos with a chatroom!

06-26-09, 13:00	#10 (permalink)
whatchamacallit Deadhead Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,170	Just a little side note, SWIM has noticed that dunking cakes with pins, under an inch, or especially a half inch or less, doesn't seem to cause them to abort, and they can usually fully mature. __________________ I'm addicted to placebos, I could quit but it wouldn't matter.. http://deadvids.com/dv3 24/7 Dead Videos with a chatroom!

06-26-09, 10:47	#4 (permalink)
M&M420 Voyager Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,455	Hopefully they aren't aborts cause that's a very nice cluster.I'll cross my fingers for ya buddy

06-26-09, 11:51	#6 (permalink)
BBlack Mycophage Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 127	Ok, I'll let all the pins I see mature. I already picked a few of the ones I though were aborts, but not many. Do aborts and pins have the same potency?

06-26-09, 12:19	#7 (permalink)
pizark2 Mycophage Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 207	aborts are a little more potent imo

06-26-09, 12:40	#8 (permalink)
Tango0202 Mycophiliac Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 117	I have this happen quite often with cakes, I believe that the cake runs out of water and the mushroom cannot finish. I would pick them all after the bigger ones are done and dunk it for 12 hours. I see this happen mostly with small cakes they tend to not be able to produce as large of a mushroom as say a tub or a pint cake even.

06-26-09, 12:46	#9 (permalink)
MLBjammer Addicted to Invitro Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,877	Or feed your casing layers some water. The big fruits do use up a lot of water, but it's a shame to pick those before they mature. I didn't see any aborts from your picture. When you do dunk, I would suggest dunking for 20-24 hours, as it takes time for the cakes to absorb moisture, as they are so dense. Nice looking cake!

06-26-09, 13:03	#11 (permalink)
M&M420 Voyager Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,455	^^Agreed

06-26-09, 17:33	#12 (permalink)
BBlack Mycophage Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 127	Just so you all know, that's not a picture of one of my cakes, like I said, it's someone elses, but it looks similar to mine. I'm going to keep my cakes going for another couple days, and see if the fruits mature. None of them really have black caps, they are all the color of the ones in the picture I posted.

06-26-09, 17:50	#13 (permalink)
GadgetGuy Stupid Snowboarder... Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 1,315	I thought and correct me if Im wrong somebody that I read you can actually use an old syringe with sterile/distilled water to inject water into the cakes if they are too dry during fruiting? It seems like that would be a decent way to get more water in there for the mushies if the theory is in fact right.

06-27-09, 05:15	#14 (permalink)
MLBjammer Addicted to Invitro Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,877	You can, but it doesn't work very well, as compared to dunking,

06-27-09, 07:57	#15 (permalink)
koldjgdaro Psychonaut Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 747	Aborts turn pointy. Normal pins have nice, round hats, often with spots, but aborts just turn very very dark, even black and get pointy. Leaving aborts on cakes never did any harm to my flushes. If there's something growing, which you can easily observe in 24 hours period, then your cake is ready to dunk. But even dunking (8-12 hours) a couple of pins won't hurt them. They will pause growth and start growing again when the conditions get back to normal. Dunking is just like rain for the mycelium and its fruits. __________________ To fathom Hell or soar angelic, just take a pinch of psychedelic

06-28-09, 00:45	#26 (permalink)
mydarling Modtastic Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 2,034	yes. don't throw those babies away. Attached Thumbnails __________________ tonight your ghost will ask my ghost, who put these bodies between us?

06-27-09, 09:13	#16 (permalink)
BBlack Mycophage Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 127	Well I think my second flush has started on it's own...It's been two weeks now and I've picked all the big fat ones, but now there are tall skinnier ones growing, which is a sign of a different flush. They're already gotten pretty big, too big to dunk I think. What should I do?

06-27-09, 09:54	#17 (permalink)
MLBjammer Addicted to Invitro Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,877	Just add drops of water to your casing layers, wait for the flush to finish, then dunk. Shrooms grow in waves more than flushes anyway. We hope that fruits all mature at the same time, but in many cases they just don't, especially on cakes.

06-27-09, 10:08	#18 (permalink)
BBlack Mycophage Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 127	So if I understand correctly, each flush will have waves of shrooms? I don't know when the flush is over!

06-27-09, 10:20	#19 (permalink)
suckerfree KEY MASTER Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 2,833	The flush is over when you pick them all... Dunk... wait... pick them all... dunk wait... pick them all.... it doesn't really matter much... I pick em as they come before the veil breaks... when things slow down I rehydrate... and wait for more! __________________

06-27-09, 16:36	#20 (permalink)
BBlack Mycophage Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 127	Alright, I understand. So dunking isn't even necessary? My cakes still seem to be producing fruits consistently, so I'll just let them be.

06-27-09, 17:43	#22 (permalink)
Coopdog Mycotopiate Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 237	I got one big flush with my Treasure COast, and then a half dozen skinny ones, had tons of pins, but they did not show activity in a couple days, so I picked them off and redunked. I had brand new pins the next day all over the substrate. So I picked off about ten to twelve little aborts and just left them on a paper plate for a couple days and sort of forgot about them. Went to roll one, and there they were one morning. Seeing as I had 4 hours before I went to work, I chewed them up and washed them down with some OJ with my morning coffee. Damn was I surprised to get one helluva buzz more than I expected. I had mild OEV's and pretty good cev's and everything was rainbow colored still 4 hrs later when I had to go to work I was really enjoying my bose headphones at work that day So yeah, the pins are quite a bit more potent. I would equate the half gram or so that I ate to a mild 1.5 to two gram dose. It hung in there for a few hours too, so I won't be playing with them before work anymore lol. PEace.... __________________ Be happy wherever you are...Because there you be.

06-27-09, 23:19	#23 (permalink)
BBlack Mycophage Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 127	sounds good. But it wont work that way with pins, will it? Aborts are stronger than just regular pins (immature mushrooms)?

06-28-09, 00:04	#25 (permalink)
fun_guy Former Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 20	so eating aborts and pins are not only ok but sometimes perferred?

06-28-09, 01:24	#28 (permalink)
Raoul Duke Mycophiliac Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 106	Drink Me! Love those mutant aborts (well, love-hate). SWIM likes to make "psiloliquer" with his. Here's a small patron bottle filled with aborts and then topped off with Everclear 190 proof and a drop of lemon juice! Let it brew in a cool dark place and save for a rainy day or better yet a sunny one Attached Thumbnails

06-28-09, 10:30	#29 (permalink)
fun_guy Former Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 20	come to think of it i remember getting small shrooms in my last bag but thought nothing of it, that was well before i was facinated with fungus

06-28-09, 10:58	#30 (permalink)
pizark2 Mycophage Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 207	raoul-thats some gnarly jar of goodness you got there

06-28-09, 11:02	#31 (permalink)
BBlack Mycophage Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 127	Alright, well, this whole time I've been thinking flushes were natural things, like a cake would produce pins, mature shrooms, harvest, and that was a flush. I didn't know it was when you picked everything. Anyway, I'm going to dunk a few of the cakes that need it. There is one that hasn't shown much activity until it pretty much exploded with clusters of pins. Not sure if I should dunk it or not. All the pins are small, but I'm sure dunking would make them all grow larger than if I didn't, and I want as much as possible! What do you think I should do? And regarding drying, I've put all the fruits I've harvested on a fan and left them for a day or so, and they are relatively dry, but they still have a spongy feeling to them. I have them in set up in a dessicant (sp) chamber, it's one of those DampRid things, calcium chloride, but it doesn't seem to be doing much. Anything you guys would suggest?

06-28-09, 18:12	#35 (permalink)
BBlack Mycophage Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 127	Now my cakes are producing pretty small fruits, and I want it to stop! But I dont want to pick everything that could potentially grow bigger in a day, but I dont want more to keep coming! What should I do?

06-28-09, 19:52	#39 (permalink)
GadgetGuy Stupid Snowboarder... Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 1,315	If they are starting to grow real small why not just pick them and dunk the cake/s overnight and flush them again? Its not going to hurt anything and will greatly improve 3rd, 4th etc. flushes over getting a bunch of half sized fruits. There will be more to come buddy

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