all edible rye bags

[cattlexing]

Could you Make a grow bag of Rye, Edible Calcium Carbonate, and Spores.
And fruit in that same bag, and than harvest the fruit- But also eat and trip off the maycelium covered rye??

[catdaddy]

YOU might want to- that shit woud taste NASTY.

I grow more than I could ever consume, easily- without resorting to eating mycelium.

Better to spawn your spent mycelium outdoors just to see what happens- lots of folks get decent harvests periodically from the effort.

For some unexplained reason, my next door neighbor has decent flushes of various cubes during the summer- when he's up north.

I keep forgetting to tell him about it.

[Azuloso83]

Originally Posted by catdaddy

I keep forgetting to tell him about it.

LOL I love it

[cattlexing]

Well... do you mean it would taste like shit like you don't like the taste of rye?

or

are you emplying that there is some sort of mycelium waste product in there other than the rye and the maycelium?

[fun_guy]

seriously the mushrooms themselves taste like shit.. how could the mycelium all dry and crusty not taste even worse.. and the myc is said to not containt any psilocybin, so i dont think it would have any effect you would hope for

[cattlexing]

the mushrooms are maycelium, the maycielum are mushrooms, 100%. THey just push themselves into the mushroom shape to give the spores room to fall and float into the air. No joke.
Anyways... What i'm wondering is if there is any reason other than that rye isn't some people's favorite taste- that you couldn't eat the contents of a whole bag if all the ingredients are edible. Rye and Edible Calcium Carbonate

[cattlexing]

Originally Posted by catdaddy

For some unexplained reason, my next door neighbor has decent flushes of various cubes during the summer- when he's up north.

I keep forgetting to tell him about it.

I get it I get it. LOL.
seriousley though, i'm hungry for mycelium, i like rye.

[vork21]

The mycellium does not contain the secondary metabolites the fruiting bodies do (i.e. psilocybin and other alkaloids, mycotoxins, etc.). Mushrooms are NOT mycellium.

However, it would be perfectly edible, and actually, probably quite nutritious.

[cattlexing]

Why was I always told that mushrooms are just the mayceliump pushed up into that shape, which is why It takes a month to grow but only a few days to take the mushroom shape? I'm willing to bet it's got the same plisocybn content as the stems at caps. I'm haapy to hear you think it'd be edibe- and nutritious. Fuck vermiculite, I'm going for the all edible approach.

[Azuloso83]

I do know that if you put cranberry juice and ascorbic acid crystals into a fully colonized jar and drink it, you trip. In fact, if it is a whole quart jar of colonized grain, you get the equivalent of a gram or two dry as far as a trip. If there is no psylosin/psylocybin present, how is this possible?

[greenmeanie]

There is psilocin present in mycelium. this is why it bruises blue. but it won't be "just rye and mushrooms"... the rye has been eaten by the fungi. you don't eat stuff that other people have already digested do you? it sure wouldn't taste anything like rye, that's for sure. more like half-eaten cat vomit.

search for people eating or making tea from PF cakes, the concentration of psilocin is too low to be worth eating all that substrate. yuk

[kcmoxtractor]

There definitely is psilocin in myc. Albert Hoffman and Roger Heim have a patent on the extraction and its just from mycelium.
Check the link for the writeup.

http://forums.mycotopia.net/feasts-f...xtraction.html (Psilocybin extraction)

[TheAlchemist]

Just eat it and let us know lol!

[Soliver]

This question pops up every few months... mycelium DOES have some goodies in it,
but if you're getting fruits, it'd be pointless to consume it, not to mention quite nasty.

I've never seen Hoffman at this site, or others, and owning a patent doesn't mean
that it works... if you have a full-blown chem lab and a degree, you could probably
pull it off, but then if you had that, you wouldn't be posting here.

"I do know that if you put cranberry juice and ascorbic acid crystals into a fully colonized jar and drink it, you trip. In fact, if it is a whole quart jar of colonized grain, you get the equivalent of a gram or two dry as far as a trip. If there is no psylosin/psylocybin present, how is this possible?"

Don't believe everything that you breathe - if that worked so well, everyone would
grow mycelium instead of fruits... myc is EASY to get, it's the fruiting that's difficult.
While you can get some effects from spent mycelium, if it's already spent, what's
the point in consuming ten handfuls of colonized grain, unless you really need a
colon-blow?



soliver

[designlogic]

Originally Posted by Soliver

what's the point in consuming ten handfuls of colonized grain, unless you really need a colon-blow?

[little white rabbit]

me and a friend made a tea out of 0,7l colonized grain and it works... we both had a nice day

Don't believe everything that you breathe - if that worked so well, everyone would
grow mycelium instead of fruits... myc is EASY to get, it's the fruiting that's difficult.
While you can get some effects from spent mycelium, if it's already spent, what's
the point in consuming ten handfuls of colonized grain, unless you really need a
colon-blow?

if you think about it... not difficult to figure it out... 0,7l colonized grain took me and a friend on a nice journey, the same amount of grain gives me some ounces of dry cubes.... you see what i mean

and the mycelium tea wasn't worse than a tea made out of shrooms... and tasted like caviar compared with a san pedro tea

[cattlexing]

Originally Posted by greenmeanie

it won't be "just rye and mushrooms"... the rye has been eaten by the fungi. you don't eat stuff that other people have already digested do you? i

Actually you may like to know there is a whole craze with cultured foods. Think: Cheese-Yogurt-Kombucha-Beer-Saurkraut.
these are all things that have been digested by an organism.
Yeast actually is a fungus.

Who knows? Maybe colonized cubensis rye would be great. What about adding a little cool whip?

[TastyBeverage]

This question does pop up from time to time. None of the people who ask it ever come back to say, 'This method is great! It's now my preferred method of ingestion and i won't go back to eating fruits!' Just because a certain method works doesn't mean it's the most efficient or pleasant way to do something. You can drunk off of a bottle of cheap aftershave lotion, but wouldn't you rather have a couple of shots of good tequila?

But if you like the taste of the colonized grain, then by all means munch away. It won't hurt you.

[vork21]

Huh. I stand humbly corrected. I know there are many species of mushrooms outside of the psilocybe species that also bruise blue, and I know in those species the coloring is a cellular reaction to the fluids rushing to the bruise point. I also know that there are psilocin containing species that do not bruise blue (i.e. gymnopilus species).
I still feel the psycotrophic value would be fairly negligable.

[trichgenome]

I've eaten just mycelium and felt a noticeable effect. I couldn't tell you how much, maybe like a triple A battery size chunk of colonised coir? It wasn't strong but it was more than placebo, my pupils dilated. Go for it man. I've often contemplated making a Kombucha-like drink, a liquid culture designed to taste good and to be drank straight. Never got around to it though.

[fun_guy]

i have a question about a 4lb rye myco bag, how many cc's should be injected into it for innoculation? i have about 2 cc's left over from some brf 1/2 pints and wonder if i should inject the 2 cc's into the bag or just wait for the 1/2 pints to colonized and break a cake into the bag to spawn.. what you guys think? im all ears.. plz help! ty!

[kcmoxtractor]

Originally Posted by Soliver

This question pops up every few months... mycelium DOES have some goodies in it,
but if you're getting fruits, it'd be pointless to consume it, not to mention quite nasty.

I've never seen Hoffman at this site, or others, and owning a patent doesn't mean
that it works... if you have a full-blown chem lab and a degree, you could probably
pull it off, but then if you had that, you wouldn't be posting here.

"I do know that if you put cranberry juice and ascorbic acid crystals into a fully colonized jar and drink it, you trip. In fact, if it is a whole quart jar of colonized grain, you get the equivalent of a gram or two dry as far as a trip. If there is no psylosin/psylocybin present, how is this possible?"

Don't believe everything that you breathe - if that worked so well, everyone would
grow mycelium instead of fruits... myc is EASY to get, it's the fruiting that's difficult.
While you can get some effects from spent mycelium, if it's already spent, what's
the point in consuming ten handfuls of colonized grain, unless you really need a
colon-blow?



soliver

Sorry for the misunderstanding. I was saying that a copy of the patent that Hoffman and Heim have is here on the site.

It shows a way to go about extracting the stuff. I didn't say that I had done it They did do extensive chromatography and purification of the actives, and tested with a Keller Reagent to show that it was indeed psilocybin and psilocin. It's full of chemistry jargon, but if you have a background you can understand it Even if you understand it, it definitely is a complicated process!

My bad for the confusion!

[Soliver]

No worries

There's an important distinction between "I've read that..." and "I know that...."
There's a lot of mythology involved in the growing and consumption of cubensis,
dispelling it is one of our missions.



soliver