buteo needs help Pans 1st run

buteo · 07-06-09, 16:42

Ok guys i know i dont do this much but buteo has got some questions on pan cyan viets. As alot of you know, i have a tray going with my first pan viets. i have them in an animal tank with the vents sealed off to control humidity inside their tray. Ok after they fully colonized i cased em off with 50/50 verm/cactus soil mix and now have them exposed to light. Now the pan mycelium is starting to pop up through the casing layer. now my question is: Should i case them again to cover the myc up? should i let them go? Im unsure since this is my first run with pans. Will they still pin if they have come above the casing layer? I was thinking of casing them off again with straight verm . would this be a good idea? thanks agan guys i owe you big...whether you just read or give me a response thank you.....

your ol pal,

buteo

Dr.Hallucination. · 07-06-09, 16:59

I would Just let it go buteo,no need to patch.At least I have never patched.

bosshogg · 07-06-09, 17:00

never tried pans, but i'll send you some good vibes bro *good luck *

Om shanti · 07-06-09, 17:01

Dr. Hallucination was faster. ;-)

I just wanted to quote Spacecake who said the same as Dr. Hallucination just a few days ago in response to Raziel - read from here http://forums.mycotopia.net/fungi-gr...tml#post733513 (Ratio question)

btw, I only have one pan grow of experience, but as a curious point that might support the expert opinion... I tried to case on top of some trays that were a bit overlayed, and those trays really didn't do well. I'm pretty sure I shouldn't have put more casing, but then again, that was more than just a light patching I gave them.

Hope you get a lot of shrooms!

Irishlion · 07-06-09, 17:01

no need to patch it bro, will be fine, just give it a lil more fae like maybe 3 times a day to prevent overlay and lower the humidity some.

buteo · 07-06-09, 17:37

Thanks guys i apppreciate it

....just want these to be successful....wanna get the expirience under my belt. I guess ill get that humidity lower so the overlay cuts back. You guys are great!

Dr-Octagon · 07-06-09, 19:03

I've never done pans but for some reason had it in my head that pans weren't prone to overlay.

buteo · 07-06-09, 19:05

Oh they do it..they climb right up plastic too. They are a fungus infection. I guess the hard part is fruiting.

firerat · 07-06-09, 19:06

I have no experience with the pans. Just wanna send some good vibes your way my friend!!

buteo · 07-06-09, 19:33

Thanks firerat! Yea they seem fairly easy so far ...but i think the cube-pan seperation is going to come now with the fruiting process. Ive got a tub now with b+ growin like crazy and full of huge mushroom "trees". I just hope i get some type of decent success with these pans

firerat · 07-06-09, 19:34

Dude you made your 1000th post!!!

buteo · 07-06-09, 21:29

wow finally!!! cool im part of the club now!

Myc · 07-07-09, 09:00

Buteo,
I think I've read that overlay is good with pans and nothing to be concerned about.
Read work by bluehelix
good stuff

good luck

chimp · 07-07-09, 09:09

Overlay is part of the deal, don't patch the casing. Make sure your temps are a bit higher than Cubensis temps and give plenty of FAE.

buteo · 07-07-09, 09:37

ah Ok thanks guys. They seem to be doin ok...no contams just overlay

buteo · 07-09-09, 09:18

Hmmm ive got alot of overlay now...fully covered. Still no signs of pinnage. Almost a week in the FC. Thats normal right?

Dr.Hallucination. · 07-09-09, 09:35

That is normal buteo,a few more day's and you should see pin's.Give it lot's of fresh air,also what is your humidity?just curious.

buteo · 07-09-09, 09:41

my humidity is relatively high but i dropped it considerably. been increases fae more often. i guess i should rig up a fan system today. im gonna load up some pix. thanks for responding dr h.

buteo · 07-09-09, 09:45

pictures

Om shanti · 07-09-09, 10:03

Yeah, that is some seriously heavy overlay for pans.

Though the photos are not so clear, the overlay looks as heavy as what Raziel posted recently (Pan, cambodgiensis): http://forums.mycotopia.net/fungi-gr...an-growth.html (Is this normal pan growth ?)

Well, let's wait for the experts to get here... I would personally let it grow so long as there is no definite signs of anything bad going on.

I'm keeping my fingers crossed for pins for you.

buteo · 07-09-09, 10:05

thanks O. i think i had my humidity up for two long due to my busy schedual. everything looks ok ...looks like fluffy myc. but damn im nervous they wont pin. but if they dont no biggie atleast i can try again.

M&M420 · 07-09-09, 10:21

I wonder if it were possible to flip the sub and case again.Hope it all works out for ya buteo

buteo · 07-09-09, 10:24

could be...im not sure. if they dont pin in another week ill prob give it a try. in theory the myc is there. it should pin if it doesnt contam or die. i would say.

mestophilies · 07-09-09, 11:09

Just wanted to chime in with a best o' luck bro! will be watching this to see how it goes for your so keep updating!

sagiboy · 07-09-09, 11:13

crossing my fingers for you...

good luck bro.

buteo · 07-09-09, 11:26

thanks guys...im hoping!

Raziel · 07-09-09, 12:30

Good luck Buteo ! Im sure they will pin any day now.

Myc · 07-09-09, 12:43

If that was my culture instead of yours.......
My avatar would be jumping for joy too!!!

Freakin' awesome.

spacecake · 07-09-09, 12:45

Good luck...!

Raziel · 07-09-09, 14:02

Buteo, is that a shade of brown I see in the pics and what does your sub smell like ?

buteo · 07-09-09, 16:33

nah the brown in that shot is a shadow. so everything is looking good i guess....that myc smells just like it always has...that weird pan smell. i have no idea how to describe it. smells like i wanna eat it lol.

buteo · 07-09-09, 16:34

i hope i will b jumpin 4 joy...thanks guys

Raziel · 07-09-09, 18:36

So only pure white mycelium no shade of any other colour, thats good

buteo · 07-09-09, 20:10

yea it could be good. but with that much overlay will they even pin?doesnt this put me back to square 1...u know right before i cased?

shroom_seeker · 07-09-09, 21:49

Good vibes to you and your shrooms Buteo.

buteo · 07-09-09, 21:58

thanks seeker

. im thinking theyll come up !

Rhyno · 07-09-09, 22:00

Best of luck to you Bro!

buteo · 07-09-09, 22:00

thanks rhyno

buteo · 07-10-09, 08:16

experts say leave the overlay?

Myc · 07-10-09, 10:28

Leave the overlay Buteo LOL!!!!!!

You must peek at your cultures as often as I do

OCD??
Glad to know I'm not the only one.

How's the humidity?

Can't wait to see the pin photos when they start jumping off of that 'horrific' case of overlay. LOL

buteo · 07-10-09, 10:47

haha im glad u are confident in what seems to me as my failures

. LOL. Yea i check them alot bc its my 1st run. Cubensis i neglect...i wont open til they are done....but damn Pans look so weird to me i gotta watch every minute of them! They fit their pupose well both in looks and potency. They just have that creepy look to em you know they are packed with "poison". Thanks myc you def boosted my confidence!

oh btw humidity was high but i got it dropped now with more FAE

buteo · 07-17-09, 20:47

so after the myc started to look like it was about to dry out i decided to recase. Well it recovered after 2 days so i set it back in the FC. Things are looking better...a small amount of overlay popping up...so lets give this another try

. wish me luck lol....iif the myc is still alive the possibilities still remain

buteo · 07-17-09, 22:02

i said wish me luck dammit!!!! haha kidding...

Irishlion · 07-17-09, 22:07

LOL good luck bro

buteo · 07-17-09, 22:09

haha thanks IL lol

mydarling · 07-17-09, 22:59

good luck

!

spacecake · 07-18-09, 07:02

Hopefully they will pin for you,..it's been aboud ten days now !
At least the casing tray is still healthy...

Good luck !

buteo · 07-18-09, 14:41

yea i know...but if the myc is alive theres always that chance lol

btw thanks for the luck everyone

valleyofmushies · 07-18-09, 15:07

i have Q. for u buteo ....did u get ur spores from a sponsor and on print or syringe.....i too wanna try pans...even tho they are not for the beginners ....just to try it ...i mean thats how we do wat we do....we try to do it.....and are pans as easy to just get some myc growing on a medium like agar as cubes .....????then make LCs after sectoring???

buteo · 07-18-09, 15:37

Yea i got syringes...u can get nice quality pans from the sponsors. IMO pan myc is much more agressive and colonizes quicker than cubensis. I guess the trick comes in when fruiting them. But i think in the end once you get the fruiting thing down i think pan growers prob have much more success as far as beating the contams. This stuff is quick and will climb right up plastic and out of the tray!

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07-06-09, 16:42	#1 (permalink)
buteo Imbicilzzzz Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 1,355	buteo needs help Pans 1st run Ok guys i know i dont do this much but buteo has got some questions on pan cyan viets. As alot of you know, i have a tray going with my first pan viets. i have them in an animal tank with the vents sealed off to control humidity inside their tray. Ok after they fully colonized i cased em off with 50/50 verm/cactus soil mix and now have them exposed to light. Now the pan mycelium is starting to pop up through the casing layer. now my question is: Should i case them again to cover the myc up? should i let them go? Im unsure since this is my first run with pans. Will they still pin if they have come above the casing layer? I was thinking of casing them off again with straight verm . would this be a good idea? thanks agan guys i owe you big...whether you just read or give me a response thank you..... your ol pal, buteo __________________ Im only what i think i am

07-06-09, 16:59	#2 (permalink)
Dr.Hallucination. Chasing the Rabbit. Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,820	I would Just let it go buteo,no need to patch.At least I have never patched. __________________ The man who walk's through the door on the wall,Will never be quite the same,As the man who went out.

07-06-09, 17:00	#3 (permalink)
bosshogg joe schmoe super tripper Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 616	never tried pans, but i'll send you some good vibes bro good luck __________________ 'joe schmoe super tripper might think he can eat an 8 of those like he could any other mushy and off to the loony bin,or in the corner crying for their mommy-IL

07-06-09, 17:01	#4 (permalink)
Om shanti S.W.I.M. in H.POO Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,297	Dr. Hallucination was faster. ;-) I just wanted to quote Spacecake who said the same as Dr. Hallucination just a few days ago in response to Raziel - read from here http://forums.mycotopia.net/fungi-gr...tml#post733513 (Ratio question) btw, I only have one pan grow of experience, but as a curious point that might support the expert opinion... I tried to case on top of some trays that were a bit overlayed, and those trays really didn't do well. I'm pretty sure I shouldn't have put more casing, but then again, that was more than just a light patching I gave them. Hope you get a lot of shrooms! __________________ The most important thing is to find out what is the most important thing.-S. Suzuki

07-06-09, 17:01	#5 (permalink)
Irishlion KEY MASTER Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 3,343	no need to patch it bro, will be fine, just give it a lil more fae like maybe 3 times a day to prevent overlay and lower the humidity some. __________________ a man without honor isn't a man at all but, a soul trapped in a flesh body that is lost in a void of its own making

07-06-09, 17:37	#6 (permalink)
buteo Imbicilzzzz Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 1,355	Thanks guys i apppreciate it ....just want these to be successful....wanna get the expirience under my belt. I guess ill get that humidity lower so the overlay cuts back. You guys are great! __________________ Im only what i think i am

07-06-09, 19:03	#7 (permalink)
Dr-Octagon Mycophiliac Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 38	I've never done pans but for some reason had it in my head that pans weren't prone to overlay.

07-06-09, 19:05	#8 (permalink)
buteo Imbicilzzzz Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 1,355	Oh they do it..they climb right up plastic too. They are a fungus infection. I guess the hard part is fruiting. __________________ Im only what i think i am

07-06-09, 19:06	#9 (permalink)
firerat Hose Lord Moderator Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1,742	I have no experience with the pans. Just wanna send some good vibes your way my friend!! __________________ When someone asks you, "A penny for your thoughts" and you put your two cents in . . . what happens to the other penny?

07-06-09, 19:33	#10 (permalink)
buteo Imbicilzzzz Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 1,355	Thanks firerat! Yea they seem fairly easy so far ...but i think the cube-pan seperation is going to come now with the fruiting process. Ive got a tub now with b+ growin like crazy and full of huge mushroom "trees". I just hope i get some type of decent success with these pans __________________ Im only what i think i am

07-06-09, 19:34	#11 (permalink)
firerat Hose Lord Moderator Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1,742	Dude you made your 1000th post!!! __________________ When someone asks you, "A penny for your thoughts" and you put your two cents in . . . what happens to the other penny?

07-06-09, 21:29	#12 (permalink)
buteo Imbicilzzzz Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 1,355	wow finally!!! cool im part of the club now! __________________ Im only what i think i am

07-07-09, 09:00	#13 (permalink)
Myc El Jardinero Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 2,041	Buteo, I think I've read that overlay is good with pans and nothing to be concerned about. Read work by bluehelix good stuff good luck __________________ "...we'd like to help you learn to help yourself..."

07-07-09, 09:09	#14 (permalink)
chimp Space Lord Modulator Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,425	Overlay is part of the deal, don't patch the casing. Make sure your temps are a bit higher than Cubensis temps and give plenty of FAE. __________________ Respond, Vibrate, Feedback, Resonate

07-09-09, 12:45	#29 (permalink)
spacecake Universal Mod Join Date: May 1972 Posts: 4,734	Good luck...! __________________ "As a child, i could walk on the ceiling. I'd butterfly up on the walls"

07-07-09, 09:37	#15 (permalink)
buteo Imbicilzzzz Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 1,355	ah Ok thanks guys. They seem to be doin ok...no contams just overlay __________________ Im only what i think i am

07-09-09, 09:18	#16 (permalink)
buteo Imbicilzzzz Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 1,355	Hmmm ive got alot of overlay now...fully covered. Still no signs of pinnage. Almost a week in the FC. Thats normal right? __________________ Im only what i think i am

07-09-09, 09:35	#17 (permalink)
Dr.Hallucination. Chasing the Rabbit. Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,820	That is normal buteo,a few more day's and you should see pin's.Give it lot's of fresh air,also what is your humidity?just curious. __________________ The man who walk's through the door on the wall,Will never be quite the same,As the man who went out.

07-09-09, 09:41	#18 (permalink)
buteo Imbicilzzzz Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 1,355	my humidity is relatively high but i dropped it considerably. been increases fae more often. i guess i should rig up a fan system today. im gonna load up some pix. thanks for responding dr h. __________________ Im only what i think i am

07-09-09, 09:45	#19 (permalink)
buteo Imbicilzzzz Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 1,355	pix pictures Attached Thumbnails __________________ Im only what i think i am

07-09-09, 10:03	#20 (permalink)
Om shanti S.W.I.M. in H.POO Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,297	Yeah, that is some seriously heavy overlay for pans. Though the photos are not so clear, the overlay looks as heavy as what Raziel posted recently (Pan, cambodgiensis): http://forums.mycotopia.net/fungi-gr...an-growth.html (Is this normal pan growth ?) Well, let's wait for the experts to get here... I would personally let it grow so long as there is no definite signs of anything bad going on. I'm keeping my fingers crossed for pins for you. __________________ The most important thing is to find out what is the most important thing.-S. Suzuki

07-09-09, 10:05	#21 (permalink)
buteo Imbicilzzzz Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 1,355	thanks O. i think i had my humidity up for two long due to my busy schedual. everything looks ok ...looks like fluffy myc. but damn im nervous they wont pin. but if they dont no biggie atleast i can try again. __________________ Im only what i think i am

07-09-09, 10:21	#22 (permalink)
M&M420 Voyager Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,455	I wonder if it were possible to flip the sub and case again.Hope it all works out for ya buteo

07-09-09, 10:24	#23 (permalink)
buteo Imbicilzzzz Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 1,355	could be...im not sure. if they dont pin in another week ill prob give it a try. in theory the myc is there. it should pin if it doesnt contam or die. i would say. __________________ Im only what i think i am

07-09-09, 11:09	#24 (permalink)
mestophilies Agent of Chaos Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,082	Just wanted to chime in with a best o' luck bro! will be watching this to see how it goes for your so keep updating! __________________ "Going from gems to chems." ~Mystic

07-09-09, 11:13	#25 (permalink)
sagiboy -= Magic Passion =- Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 791	crossing my fingers for you... good luck bro. __________________ "when you don`t know where you going any road will take you there..."

07-09-09, 11:26	#26 (permalink)
buteo Imbicilzzzz Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 1,355	thanks guys...im hoping! __________________ Im only what i think i am

07-09-09, 12:30	#27 (permalink)
Raziel We will ... live forever Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1,530	Good luck Buteo ! Im sure they will pin any day now.

07-09-09, 12:43	#28 (permalink)
Myc El Jardinero Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 2,041	If that was my culture instead of yours....... My avatar would be jumping for joy too!!! Freakin' awesome. __________________ "...we'd like to help you learn to help yourself..."

07-09-09, 14:02	#30 (permalink)
Raziel We will ... live forever Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1,530	Buteo, is that a shade of brown I see in the pics and what does your sub smell like ?

07-09-09, 16:33	#31 (permalink)
buteo Imbicilzzzz Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 1,355	nah the brown in that shot is a shadow. so everything is looking good i guess....that myc smells just like it always has...that weird pan smell. i have no idea how to describe it. smells like i wanna eat it lol. __________________ Im only what i think i am

07-09-09, 16:34	#32 (permalink)
buteo Imbicilzzzz Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 1,355	i hope i will b jumpin 4 joy...thanks guys __________________ Im only what i think i am

07-09-09, 18:36	#33 (permalink)
Raziel We will ... live forever Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1,530	So only pure white mycelium no shade of any other colour, thats good

07-09-09, 20:10	#34 (permalink)
buteo Imbicilzzzz Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 1,355	yea it could be good. but with that much overlay will they even pin?doesnt this put me back to square 1...u know right before i cased? __________________ Im only what i think i am

07-09-09, 21:49	#35 (permalink)
shroom_seeker still seeking.. Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 2,259	Good vibes to you and your shrooms Buteo. __________________ Impeccability is nothing else but the proper use of energy - don Juan Matus