Invitro Tek ok for P Cyans?

steveK · 07-23-09, 13:59

I have just started some jars of pans and am wondering if I can use the chronic invitro tek for them. This is the only method I have tried so far,so I want to make sure I dont mess up. Im really looking forward to trying pans. Ive heard theyre way stronger than cubes,so I got the feeling once I try them I wont bother with cubes anymore.

weeeeeee · 07-23-09, 14:14

yep

steveK · 07-23-09, 14:38

many tanks weeeeeeee

Om shanti · 07-23-09, 14:51

In general, pans need to be grown on a substrate like horse- or cow-poo and/or straw + they need casing. There are some experimental exceptions to the substrates, but fruiting Pan pf tek cakes chronic style will almost certainly not work, unfortunately.

Pans certainly have less bodyload than cubensis. I haven't taken them many times yet but until now I do like them better than cubes.. but I'm not sure if it's just a novelty effect. :-)

You'll soon decide for yourself! Good luck!

steveK · 07-23-09, 15:00

Thanks Om Shanti. I did include cattle manure in the substrate for my jars . I found a recipe on the net ,which may also be on this site somewhere.

Quote:

haven't taken them many times yet but until now I do like them better than cubes.. but I'm not sure if it's just a novelty effect

Ive read quite a bit about pans ,and most say that that they are a way stronger and cleaner trip,with better visuals,so I dont think its just a novelty effect.

Om shanti · 07-23-09, 15:22

There is one thread in the vaults exotics section where Waylitjim fruits some amazing pan flushes invitro-style in a bag. But generally the advice is lots of FAE. If you give it a casing your chronic experiment might work, but if I were you I'd take a look at some of the grows in the vaults for comparison, and not put all your eggs in the chronic basket, so to speak.

I only have very limited experience with growing pans - just grew pan. cambodgiensis once - but in that grow I also tried closing some trays with very limited passive FAE. They did fruit, but results were not good. The shrooms are small and fragile and for me rotted quite easily when it was too humid in the trays without much FAE. However, my temps for these experiments where also too low (less than 20C on average), and that may have been as big a problem as the lack of FAE.

Here is one of the tray that fruited 'invitro' without any active FAE
http://forums.mycotopia.net/attachme...ium-mold-d.jpg
It didn't do too well as you see, but unfortunately I didn't take photos of those that did much worse.

Well, I hope yours do much better, and please share your results here!!

steveK · 07-24-09, 09:46

http://archives.mycotopia.net/discus...tml?1012857760

This is my invitro method OM. I will be sure to post about results.

weeeeeee · 07-24-09, 09:53

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Originally Posted by steveK

http://archives.mycotopia.net/discus...tml?1012857760

This is my invitro method OM. I will be sure to post about results.

to promote FAE you could crack the jars and set them up partially on the ringat an angle so they are all at an angle and turn a fan on for a few minutes like super(lazy) fanning...

MLBjammer · 07-24-09, 09:54

As OM said, that will not work very efficiently for pans. You should try Waylitjim's pan jars. But good luck with the experiment!

Om shanti · 07-26-09, 10:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by steveK

Ive read quite a bit about pans ,and most say that that they are a way stronger and cleaner trip,with better visuals,so I dont think its just a novelty effect.

I don't care so much about potency - the shrooms may be more potent by weight but then they're also much smaller than cubensis. I think I have 100-200 Pan. cambodgiensis weighing altogether not much more than 10 grams dry... If you look at total weight of actives (psilocybin/psilocin) per grow (same amount of spawn/substrate), then I think cubensis yields significantly more.

It's the 'clean trip' that makes them worth it. And you're right about that! I don't think I have got better visuals from the cambodgiensis so far, I would judge that pretty similar to the B+ cubensis I have tried many times.
But it's very nice to have practically no side-effects.. no bodyload to speak of. I usually feel weak after a cubensis trips wears off, but so far the pans leave me feeling absolutely great when most effects start wearing off after 3-4 hours.. I would also say I get less 'mind fuck' and more 'pure ecstacy' on the pans, but I guess I'm entering the land of unverifiable, subjective statements there.

But yeah, good luck growing them, SteveK! They're worth the effort. But as I said, I think you should hedge your bets and not try to fruit everything chronic style.

koldjgdaro · 07-26-09, 11:20

Wouldn't it be better just to make alcohol extraction? :P It's easy.

Om shanti · 07-26-09, 11:38

I think the different effects of pans compared to cubensis also has to do with the different proportions of psilocybin and psilocin (!?).. but it would be interesting to see the success rate of correctly distinguishing different extracts from each other in a blind-study. :-)

Anyway, I always make a mushroom tea and never ingest the mushroom tissue. I don't think that making an alcohol extract would provide a significantly cleaner extract?

Lazlo · 07-26-09, 11:47

Using the strain, "Large Florida cyan's" works excellent for invitro. You don't have to do anything for air exchange. They'll fruit invitro just like a cubensis will.

Om shanti · 07-26-09, 11:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lazlo

Using the strain, "Large Florida cyan's" works excellent for invitro. You don't have to do anything for air exchange. They'll fruit invitro just like a cubensis will.

Great info, thanks. What about casing? And I suppose you still need some poo or straw in the subtrate?

pvacant · 07-28-09, 13:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lazlo

Using the strain, "Large Florida cyan's" works excellent for invitro. You don't have to do anything for air exchange. They'll fruit invitro just like a cubensis will.

awsome info - thanx lazlo. i didn't think pans could go cronic/invitro, except in a bag. still am amazed at how much life tries to express itself, even in difficult environments!!!!

koldjgdaro · 07-28-09, 18:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Om shanti

I think the different effects of pans compared to cubensis also has to do with the different proportions of psilocybin and psilocin (!?).. but it would be interesting to see the success rate of correctly distinguishing different extracts from each other in a blind-study. :-)

Anyway, I always make a mushroom tea and never ingest the mushroom tissue. I don't think that making an alcohol extract would provide a significantly cleaner extract?

Sorry for offtopic talk but...

I fart a lot especially at the end of the trip and even take a dump. It almost always works that way especially with dry ones. The whole "body load" is imo caused by cellulose. Cleaning at least 90% of it would make the whole trip a lot easier but I dunno. Gotta read some stuff about extraction.

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07-23-09, 13:59	#1 (permalink)
steveK Mycophage Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 130	Invitro Tek ok for P Cyans? I have just started some jars of pans and am wondering if I can use the chronic invitro tek for them. This is the only method I have tried so far,so I want to make sure I dont mess up. Im really looking forward to trying pans. Ive heard theyre way stronger than cubes,so I got the feeling once I try them I wont bother with cubes anymore.

07-23-09, 14:14	#2 (permalink)
weeeeeee humanoid Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,851	yep __________________ -p.l.u.r

07-23-09, 14:51	#4 (permalink)
Om shanti S.W.I.M. in H.POO Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,297	In general, pans need to be grown on a substrate like horse- or cow-poo and/or straw + they need casing. There are some experimental exceptions to the substrates, but fruiting Pan pf tek cakes chronic style will almost certainly not work, unfortunately. Pans certainly have less bodyload than cubensis. I haven't taken them many times yet but until now I do like them better than cubes.. but I'm not sure if it's just a novelty effect. :-) You'll soon decide for yourself! Good luck! __________________ The most important thing is to find out what is the most important thing.-S. Suzuki

07-23-09, 15:22	#6 (permalink)
Om shanti S.W.I.M. in H.POO Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,297	There is one thread in the vaults exotics section where Waylitjim fruits some amazing pan flushes invitro-style in a bag. But generally the advice is lots of FAE. If you give it a casing your chronic experiment might work, but if I were you I'd take a look at some of the grows in the vaults for comparison, and not put all your eggs in the chronic basket, so to speak. I only have very limited experience with growing pans - just grew pan. cambodgiensis once - but in that grow I also tried closing some trays with very limited passive FAE. They did fruit, but results were not good. The shrooms are small and fragile and for me rotted quite easily when it was too humid in the trays without much FAE. However, my temps for these experiments where also too low (less than 20C on average), and that may have been as big a problem as the lack of FAE. Here is one of the tray that fruited 'invitro' without any active FAE http://forums.mycotopia.net/attachme...ium-mold-d.jpg It didn't do too well as you see, but unfortunately I didn't take photos of those that did much worse. Well, I hope yours do much better, and please share your results here!! __________________ The most important thing is to find out what is the most important thing.-S. Suzuki

07-23-09, 14:38	#3 (permalink)
steveK Mycophage Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 130	many tanks weeeeeeee

07-24-09, 09:46	#7 (permalink)
steveK Mycophage Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 130	http://archives.mycotopia.net/discus...tml?1012857760 This is my invitro method OM. I will be sure to post about results.

07-24-09, 09:54	#9 (permalink)
MLBjammer Addicted to Invitro Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,864	As OM said, that will not work very efficiently for pans. You should try Waylitjim's pan jars. But good luck with the experiment!

07-26-09, 11:20	#11 (permalink)
koldjgdaro Psychonaut Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 747	Wouldn't it be better just to make alcohol extraction? :P It's easy. __________________ To fathom Hell or soar angelic, just take a pinch of psychedelic

07-26-09, 11:38	#12 (permalink)
Om shanti S.W.I.M. in H.POO Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,297	I think the different effects of pans compared to cubensis also has to do with the different proportions of psilocybin and psilocin (!?).. but it would be interesting to see the success rate of correctly distinguishing different extracts from each other in a blind-study. :-) Anyway, I always make a mushroom tea and never ingest the mushroom tissue. I don't think that making an alcohol extract would provide a significantly cleaner extract? __________________ The most important thing is to find out what is the most important thing.-S. Suzuki

07-26-09, 11:47	#13 (permalink)
Lazlo old hand Join Date: Mar 1970 Posts: 7,591	Using the strain, "Large Florida cyan's" works excellent for invitro. You don't have to do anything for air exchange. They'll fruit invitro just like a cubensis will. __________________ How can you have any pudding, if you don't eat your MEAT?

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