Rye grass substitute ?

Raziel · 07-25-09, 14:39

I have been doing some reading on cultivating philosopher's stones,I read that the normal PF tek can be used but I also read that when growing philosopher's stones that the ingredients used must all be edible so I can't use vermiculite. 100% BRF will turn to sludge and become compact so I was going to use Rye grass seeds but I can't find them anywhere. The only grass seeds I can find is Festuca rubra with rye grass already pre-mixed in with it.

Can I use Festuca rubra instead of rye grass or a mix of the two ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Festuca_rubra

http://www.wilkinsonplus.com/invt/6477640

GadgetGuy · 07-25-09, 14:43

The Vitamin Cottage exists in a number of places, not sure if it's around where you live..... I would think any organic food market would have it where you live or hopefully relatively close.....

Myc · 07-25-09, 14:52

I don't know why you couldn't
didn't read your links
but I've used (untreated) lawn grass seed for mycology

Check a farm supply store boss
They usually have annual rye grass seed for planting pastures - untreated seed. I get it for around $40 USD for 50 LBS.

Boboso · 07-25-09, 14:57

Go to home depot, and buy Scotts brand turf builder. It's like $2 per pound (7 pound bag). It's not entirely rye grass, but if you look at my posts, you'll see it grows. No fungicides added. The sticker on the back says...

29.21% boreal creeping red fescue
24.64% gulf annual ryegrass
19.58% quickstart 2 perennial ryegrass
14.58% transcend intermediate ryegrass
9.65% abbey kentucky bluegrass
0.5% other crop seed
1.75% inert matter
0.09% weed seed

Based on my mycelium, I think it's pretty safe to assume grass seed is grass seed... Just be sure to make sure (if you buy something else) that it doesn't mention fungicides or other additives. You should be straight though.

Raziel · 07-25-09, 15:09

Forgot to mention I live in a city in England ...

The grass seeds I saw were "pack your own" and I grabbed a handfull out and all the seed looked exacly the same even though it was rye grass and Festuca rubra.

So grass seed is grass seed al long as it hasn't been treated ?

Om shanti · 07-25-09, 15:11

Quote:

100% BRF will turn to sludge and become compact so I was going to use rye grass seeds

Hey Raziel. A number of people here have successfully grown sclerotia on whole brown rice (not grinded/flour). Here is one: http://forums.mycotopia.net/fungi-gr...questions.html ('Philosophers stones' pics and questions.)
Good luck!

Boboso · 07-25-09, 15:15

If you stick to seed, untreated is all that should matter. If you really break it down, all we're doing is assisting in the decomposition of biodegradable organic matter. Honestly, I've tossed weed stems and seeds into a jar while giggling like a school girl.

Boboso · 07-25-09, 15:18

Forgot to mention, I like England. Been to Portsmouth for the celebration of Trafalgar. Various navies around the world were there. Was fun as hell...until I looked the wrong way crossing the street and almost got ran over...

Us Americans are stupid... I was even called a dumb wanker...

Raziel · 07-25-09, 15:34

Thanks Om Shanti, must have missed that.

slartibartfast42 · 07-25-09, 17:57

No trip to England is complete till you get called a Dumb Wanker lol. Yes most grass seeds seem to work fine but Annual rhy is usually mentioned due to its lower cost if you are buying a good sized bag of it. I have used a few different mixes and they all seem to work fine. Just beware the fungicides.
Enjoy

~Hippie3 · 07-25-09, 18:06

i rinse mine well to ensure any chemicals and the dust are washed away.
some grass seed is tiny, very thin
but i prefer the bigger thicker varieties,
not as sticky once cooked.

Raziel · 08-03-09, 06:29

If I choose to go with brown rice shall I just use whole brown rice minus the vermiculite instead of grass seeds, will that work ?

Also...

Does anyone have any experience with Psilocybe Tampanensis ? How is it compared to Mexicana regarding yield, potency, growing technique etc.

piggy69 · 08-03-09, 07:01

If youve got a Knights garden centre near you they have a mix called "Tuff-grass" which is mostly rye grass and works excellently. As hip said give it a good wash and dont over cook it as it just turns to a congealed porridge.

Didnt have much luck with Browm rice and variety wise Gallindoi was best and tampanensis worst for amount and magic.

koldjgdaro · 08-03-09, 07:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raziel

If I choose to go with brown rice shall I just use whole brown rice minus the vermiculite instead of grass seeds, will that work ?

Also...

Does anyone have any experience with Psilocybe Tampanensis ? How is it compared to Mexicana regarding yield, potency, growing technique etc.

Yeah, just normal brown rice. Cook it first without any additives then put it in the jars and sterilize. Just gotta strain it well so it doesn't get too wet.

That simple.

I'd go for ATL#7 (aka Galindoii) but they're all simmilar.

potatoskill · 08-03-09, 08:15

look for bakery supply stores and you should be able to find rye kernels. get on the phone and call around!

~Hippie3 · 08-03-09, 09:42

just about any kind of whole untreated grass seed can be used in a pinch,
but i like to stick to perennial rye, myself.

~Hippie3 · 08-03-09, 09:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by potatoskill

look for bakery supply stores and you should be able to find rye kernels. get on the phone and call around!

wrong kind of rye-
you're talking about rye grain [berries]
and we're talking about rye grass-
not the same thing at all.

Myc · 08-03-09, 09:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hippie3

but i like to stick to perennial rye, myself.

Excellent point.
Annual rye grass seed is smaller than perennial
Water content in the jars has to be adjusted for seed size.
Also the addition of 1/4 tsp. of gypsum or calcium carbonate should help 'loosen' them up after PC'ing. That's what I use.

Raziel · 08-03-09, 11:28

Thnak you everyone for the help, I am going to go with this and not brown rice after all.

http://www.wilkinsonplus.com/invt/6477640

The ratio is 2:1 seed/water but is there anything I need to do before PC'ing like cook them or anything or do I just mix and PC. I will add some Gypsum Myc thanks for the tip. How long should teh jars be PC'ed for aswell ???

I will be using Tampanensis by the way

koldjgdaro · 08-03-09, 14:17

It's your choice. I just think that rye berries and brown rice are whole lot tastier (in sclerotia) for that matter. But the one time I got a jar of it from Holland it was actually on rye grass and it wasn't bad.

Raziel · 08-03-09, 14:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by koldjgdaro

It's your choice. I just think that rye berries and brown rice are whole lot tastier (in sclerotia) for that matter. But the one time I got a jar of it from Holland it was actually on rye grass and it wasn't bad.

So you have grown on brown rice with good results ?

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07-25-09, 14:39	#1 (permalink)
Raziel We will ... live forever Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1,664	Rye grass substitute ? I have been doing some reading on cultivating philosopher's stones,I read that the normal PF tek can be used but I also read that when growing philosopher's stones that the ingredients used must all be edible so I can't use vermiculite. 100% BRF will turn to sludge and become compact so I was going to use Rye grass seeds but I can't find them anywhere. The only grass seeds I can find is Festuca rubra with rye grass already pre-mixed in with it. Can I use Festuca rubra instead of rye grass or a mix of the two ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Festuca_rubra http://www.wilkinsonplus.com/invt/6477640

07-25-09, 14:43	#2 (permalink)
GadgetGuy Resident Perv Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 1,729	The Vitamin Cottage exists in a number of places, not sure if it's around where you live..... I would think any organic food market would have it where you live or hopefully relatively close..... __________________ RIP Hippie3, I love you

07-25-09, 14:52	#3 (permalink)
Myc El Jardinero Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 2,262	I don't know why you couldn't didn't read your links but I've used (untreated) lawn grass seed for mycology Check a farm supply store boss They usually have annual rye grass seed for planting pastures - untreated seed. I get it for around $40 USD for 50 LBS. __________________ "...we'd like to help you learn to help yourself..."

07-25-09, 14:57	#4 (permalink)
Boboso Boob Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 386	Go to home depot, and buy Scotts brand turf builder. It's like $2 per pound (7 pound bag). It's not entirely rye grass, but if you look at my posts, you'll see it grows. No fungicides added. The sticker on the back says... 29.21% boreal creeping red fescue 24.64% gulf annual ryegrass 19.58% quickstart 2 perennial ryegrass 14.58% transcend intermediate ryegrass 9.65% abbey kentucky bluegrass 0.5% other crop seed 1.75% inert matter 0.09% weed seed Based on my mycelium, I think it's pretty safe to assume grass seed is grass seed... Just be sure to make sure (if you buy something else) that it doesn't mention fungicides or other additives. You should be straight though. __________________ Rank me amongst the greats, either 1, 2, or 3. If I ain't number 1, I've failed you victory. - Jay-Z

07-25-09, 15:09	#5 (permalink)
Raziel We will ... live forever Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1,664	Forgot to mention I live in a city in England ... The grass seeds I saw were "pack your own" and I grabbed a handfull out and all the seed looked exacly the same even though it was rye grass and Festuca rubra. So grass seed is grass seed al long as it hasn't been treated ?

07-25-09, 15:15	#7 (permalink)
Boboso Boob Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 386	If you stick to seed, untreated is all that should matter. If you really break it down, all we're doing is assisting in the decomposition of biodegradable organic matter. Honestly, I've tossed weed stems and seeds into a jar while giggling like a school girl. __________________ Rank me amongst the greats, either 1, 2, or 3. If I ain't number 1, I've failed you victory. - Jay-Z

07-25-09, 15:18	#8 (permalink)
Boboso Boob Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 386	Forgot to mention, I like England. Been to Portsmouth for the celebration of Trafalgar. Various navies around the world were there. Was fun as hell...until I looked the wrong way crossing the street and almost got ran over... Us Americans are stupid... I was even called a dumb wanker... __________________ Rank me amongst the greats, either 1, 2, or 3. If I ain't number 1, I've failed you victory. - Jay-Z

07-25-09, 15:34	#9 (permalink)
Raziel We will ... live forever Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1,664	Thanks Om Shanti, must have missed that.

07-25-09, 17:57	#10 (permalink)
slartibartfast42 Mycophiliac Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 94	No trip to England is complete till you get called a Dumb Wanker lol. Yes most grass seeds seem to work fine but Annual rhy is usually mentioned due to its lower cost if you are buying a good sized bag of it. I have used a few different mixes and they all seem to work fine. Just beware the fungicides. Enjoy

07-25-09, 18:06	#11 (permalink)
~Hippie3 DUNG DEALER Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 42,760	i rinse mine well to ensure any chemicals and the dust are washed away. some grass seed is tiny, very thin but i prefer the bigger thicker varieties, not as sticky once cooked.

08-03-09, 06:29	#12 (permalink)
Raziel We will ... live forever Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1,664	If I choose to go with brown rice shall I just use whole brown rice minus the vermiculite instead of grass seeds, will that work ? Also... Does anyone have any experience with Psilocybe Tampanensis ? How is it compared to Mexicana regarding yield, potency, growing technique etc.

08-03-09, 07:01	#13 (permalink)
piggy69 E.O.S Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 139	If youve got a Knights garden centre near you they have a mix called "Tuff-grass" which is mostly rye grass and works excellently. As hip said give it a good wash and dont over cook it as it just turns to a congealed porridge. Didnt have much luck with Browm rice and variety wise Gallindoi was best and tampanensis worst for amount and magic. __________________ If you're going through Hell, Keep going... (Winston Churchill)

08-03-09, 08:15	#15 (permalink)
potatoskill Mycotopiate Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 200	look for bakery supply stores and you should be able to find rye kernels. get on the phone and call around!

08-03-09, 09:42	#16 (permalink)
~Hippie3 DUNG DEALER Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 42,760	just about any kind of whole untreated grass seed can be used in a pinch, but i like to stick to perennial rye, myself.

08-03-09, 11:28	#19 (permalink)
Raziel We will ... live forever Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1,664	Thnak you everyone for the help, I am going to go with this and not brown rice after all. http://www.wilkinsonplus.com/invt/6477640 The ratio is 2:1 seed/water but is there anything I need to do before PC'ing like cook them or anything or do I just mix and PC. I will add some Gypsum Myc thanks for the tip. How long should teh jars be PC'ed for aswell ??? I will be using Tampanensis by the way

08-03-09, 14:17	#20 (permalink)
koldjgdaro Psychonaut Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 862	It's your choice. I just think that rye berries and brown rice are whole lot tastier (in sclerotia) for that matter. But the one time I got a jar of it from Holland it was actually on rye grass and it wasn't bad. __________________ To fathom Hell or soar angelic, just take a pinch of psychedelic

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