first grow - corn

[Shroomzion]

hey guy's and gal's
awsome place you got here

here are pics of my first attempt at growing shrooms,
as you can see im using corn.

so far out of 8 jars , two got contaminated with green mold...
i inoculated about two weeks ago, and it looks like its going to take two more weeks untill i can start casing the corn

[Irishlion]

Originally Posted by Shroomzion

hey guy's and gal's
awsome place you got here

here are pics of my first attempt at growing shrooms,
as you can see im using corn.

so far out of 8 jars , two got contaminated with green mold...
i inoculated about two weeks ago, and it looks like its going to take two more weeks untill i can start casing the corn

I see what looks like wet spot in that PIC or a bacterial infection. Next time add some verm to those jars to help control the moisture level, that thickish ooze you see coming off the corn is a tale tale sign. Also, should have taken the tinfoil off. The pop corn must breath. Otherwise the mycelium will stall from lack of Fae and it will turn into a contaminate headquarters very quick much like it has right now. I am willing to bet f you remove that tinfoil on those jars, you will smell a sour smell not a nice corn smell mixed with a light scent of mushrooms.

Pop corn should finish in 10 to 14 days from inoculation, unless you are growing a strain that is a slow grower like PR's or PE's. So that diffently tells me there is something amist in those jars.

I could be wrong but, you diffently need to remove that tinfoil.

Also, could you take some up close pics of the base of the jar, and some better pics of the other jars. So we can better help you.

Also, what type of a lid you using under the foil?

[MLBjammer]

I think you are right, Irish, especially since there is no gas exchange with the foil on the lids. You should use either polyfill or tyvek as a filter on your lid. I hope we are both wrong, but that wetness looks a bit gelatinous. And just a tablespoon or so of dry vermiculite in each jar can really aid in absorbing excess moisture.

[mrpanda]

Don't look too bad from what I can see.
Only take the foil off if you have a filter of some sort in the lids.
Clean the outside of your jar and take a pic of the base. Can't make out if its sludge or just a dirty jar.
And welcome to topia.

[Shroomzion]

hey guy's
thanx for stoping by to lend a hand

Irishlion, after reading your comments i think know whats wrong

i do not have any holes in the lid at all under the tin foil...

i did have the lids slightly unscrews for the first few days.
but for some reason i closed all of them all the way so no contamination will occor.

sinse this is the situation, should i make holes now or will that just contaminate the jars?

the wet spot in the pic might be the glass beads on the outside of the jars... they are not smooth but beaded.
i did see some wetish corn close to the bottom , but that seem to dissapear for the most part.

i will take up close pics of the jars as soon as i can

thank you all for your comments and help

[mrpanda]

If you have a glove box you could try and put holes/filters in the lids, personally I wouldn't bother if you just unscrew the lids slightly and don't have the foil too tight you will get some air exchange.
It wont be the best form of air exchange (pretty open to contams) but you will need some to get the jars to finish.
Some more pics will really help out.

[TVCasualty]

Welcome to 'Topia!

Did you inject spores straight into the jars?

Don't put holes in the lids unless there is a filter in place to keep contaminants out. If there is no filter in place, chances are this grow will not work out, but don't let that discourage you at all. Sometimes I've lost a hundred quarts all at once (oops!) but if I clean 'em out and try again I always get there.

I would highly recommend making liquid culture jars to use for inoculating grain. LC's extend spores a long way and speed things up in whole grain jars.

Also, is this your very first grow? Or your first whole-grain grow? I ask because there are some advantages to learning the PF Tek and BRF. It's the easiest way to guarantee a harvest of mushrooms and can be used as the basis for a larger-scale high-speed spawning method (the slurry tek, or crumbling cakes into bags w/ pasteurized bulk sub among other options).

Edit to add: If you put a loose foil cover over the jar extending about halfway to the bottom of the jar and leave the lids cracked a bit, you can pump fresh air in and out of the jars by raising and lowering the ambient temperature. If you chill the jars quite a bit (put them in a plastic bag and stick 'em in the fridge for a couple hours), air is drawn inside slowly and the foil helps keep the funk out. Then if you warm the jar back up (take 'em out of the fridge) it pushes air back out. Doing that a few times might help a few of those jars make it. Of course, the cleaner the fridge, the better, and this is a last-ditch salvage technique, not something you want to do if you can help it.

[Shroomzion]

hay TVcasualty
yah i did inject spores straight into the jars...
and yes, this is my first grow ever

i will try your sugestion with the colling and reheating of the jars,
i do hope atleast one jar will make so i can make more jars from it so its not a total loss

[TVCasualty]

Good luck, and be merciless in terms of throwing them out if you smell any bad odors or if a jar feels exceptionally warm or hot to the touch (that's caused by bacteria). You can't save a contaminated jar, but you can remove it to reduce the risk of contaminating other jars...

And if all does appear lost, then dump 'em all out in the yard somewhere shady and either let the rain soak them or simulate a good but mild rainfall with the hose (and mulch them with some leaves or straw or whatever). You might get a good flush outside that way, I've harvested lots of mushrooms off contaminated jars I tossed in the yard over the years.

[Moose]

I'd say the easiest and safest way to get FAE is to wipe the entire outside of the jars with alcohol, crack the lids 1/2 to a 3/4 turn open and then cover the jar/lid interface around the lid with micropore or some other breathable tape until they're colonized. No need to open the jars.

Otherwise, everything looks great! Welcome to the Topia.

Moose

[Krashlanmar]

This makes me want to tell SWIM to try growing some 'shrooms.

I wonder, where did you get the spores if you want to share that information with me (or if you can)?

[Irishlion]

Originally Posted by Krashlanmar

This makes me want to tell SWIM to try growing some 'shrooms.

I wonder, where did you get the spores if you want to share that information with me (or if you can)?

Our sponsors like ralphsters, The good spore or sporeworks carry spore syringes of pretty much every type of cubensis for very very fair prices and gaurantee their sterlity also Hippie3 himself carrys premade, prestelized supercake formula BRF jars, and grain and LC and pasterized dung, http://www.mycrotopia.com . If you want to grow and being this is your first grow, I would highly suggest that you purchase some of his presterlized jars. This will gaurantee you a successful first grow provided you follow simple sterlity practices, of using a glovebox and flaming the needle and what not. Also, if you don't have a glovebox mycrotopia also carries a starter kit which I would also suggest as its one big kit with all you will need to start and complete a successful first grow as well as many others.

Thanks
IL

[Krashlanmar]

Originally Posted by Irishlion

Our sponsors like ralphsters, The good spore or sporeworks carry spore syringes of pretty much every type of cubensis for very very fair prices and gaurantee their sterlity also Hippie3 himself carrys premade, prestelized supercake formula BRF jars, and grain and LC and pasterized dung, http://www.mycrotopia.com . If you want to grow and being this is your first grow, I would highly suggest that you purchase some of his presterlized jars. This will gaurantee you a successful first grow provided you follow simple sterlity practices, of using a glovebox and flaming the needle and what not. Also, if you don't have a glovebox mycrotopia also carries a starter kit which I would also suggest as its one big kit with all you will need to start and complete a successful first grow as well as many others.

Thanks
IL

Many thanks my friend.

Question: Legal to buy 'shroom spores in the USA?

Thanks in advance. =]

[MLBjammer]

I know that spores are illegal in California, Georgia, and Idaho. There could be another one by now. Those three for certain. Check out The Good Spore's monthly special--should be in the marketplace forum--hell of a deal. And definitely check out Mycrotopia for jars, etc. Peace.

[Sidestreet Getaway]

Originally Posted by Krashlanmar

Many thanks my friend.

Question: Legal to buy 'shroom spores in the USA?

Thanks in advance. =]

Yep. Use caution, so that it stays that way.

edit: oh yeah, I forgot about those few exceptions...

[Irishlion]

Originally Posted by Krashlanmar

Many thanks my friend.

Question: Legal to buy 'shroom spores in the USA?

Thanks in advance. =]

Yes as we use the for microscopy, ya know study the spores under a microscope to learn to tell the species apart.

[Krashlanmar]

Originally Posted by Irishlion

Yes as we use the for microscopy, ya know study the spores under a microscope to learn to tell the species apart.

This is what a humble SWIM physics-major plans to do, actually.

Sure, the side-effects are great sometimes too but he kind of likes the look of 'shrooms and will use them to decorate his surroundings.

Awesome, though.

Thanks for the answers.

Respect.

[GadgetGuy]

2 things.... Those jars look very very wet on the inside. They may have been dry enough to begin with but having no air holes in the top will cause two problems. No fresh air/gas exchange which is essential. They need fresh air to breathe, and having no fresh air will cause the condensation to make things go badly wrong. This is also why it's taking too much time to colonize. I hope they work out for you but I hate to say you will probably end up with some badly contaminated jars....

Next time drill a 1/2" or so hole in the lid and stuff it with poly fill (pillow stuffing found at walmart). I add about 2 tablespoons of dry vermiculite to each popcorn jar to soak up excess moisture during pc and to make up for the jars sweating as they colonize.

Good luck in your adventures my friend and welcome to mycotopia!

PS. I would get another batch of jars started ASAP, and maybe another after that.... just in case.

[Shroomzion]

hey guy's, thanks again for taking an intrest in my thread

moose- i did what you suggested as well with the breathable medical tape...
GadgetGuy- i still have left some of the spore water i made from the one spore prind i got (ksss btw) so ill cook some more corn tonight and make the holes in the jars and
lets hope the second try will be more fruitfull
tho im still optemistic as far as the jars at hand
more shrooms is not a bad thing im sure you all will agree to that.

also the one point im having a hard time with is when i PC the jars that have holes for FAE wont that make the inside of the jars and the corn very wet from the water in the PCer?
from what i think i understad , dont you need to keep things on the dry side...

thanx again
ShroomZion


oh, here are the newer pic of the jars and the contaminated jar as well..

contams






not yet contaminated

[GadgetGuy]

First is first. Get that green jar OUT of your house asap. Dump it in a field 10 miles away and change your clothes and wash them before you get back in your house, shower if you can too. Better yet, throw that jar in the dumpster. The jars that dont -look- contaminated sadly probably are too. Too keep too much moisture from getting in the jars, fill them with your hydrated and properly dried off corn, put holes in your lids, put your filters over your lids, then wrap foil around the top like you did before. The foil keeps excess moisture from getting in your jars. I hope you have a little vermiculite to add to the bottom of the jars before you pressure cook them as well. It will absorb any extra moisture that occurs. After you add spores to the jars, mix them up and shake them up a little bit. Good luck on this one dude! I would keep the jars that look healthy but keep them away from your new jars.

The ones that LOOK good can have bacterial contam which can be hard to pic out. Do not open those jars in your house, spores from any contam can spread like crazy and infect you house for months or much longer... Be safe...

Make sure that before you pc your popcorn it is pretty mucfh dry to the touch. It should not be shiny but have a dull yellow color, and when you pick up a handful a few kernels at the most should stick to your hand.

[Moose]

Yeah you wanna get rid of those jars ASAP and far away from your house. I recently had one contammed jar and it's now peacefully sitting at the bottom of the harbour. Hope the uncontammed jars work out for ya, else i'm sure the next round will. If everything always went the way it was supposed to, none of us would ever learn anything. Good luck Shroomzion!

Moose

[MLBjammer]

Doing grain on your first try ever can be tough. You must get the moisture content damn near perfect. There is less wiggle room with the PF tek, and others have suggested it already. Sorry about the contams, and good vibes on your next attempt.

[TVCasualty]

Originally Posted by Shroomzion

also the one point im having a hard time with is when i PC the jars that have holes for FAE wont that make the inside of the jars and the corn very wet from the water in the PCer?

No, it's not a problem at all. In BRF jars (the PF Tek), there is a totally dry vermiculite layer acting as the contaminant barrier, and it stays completely dry through a PC run unless water gets wicked inside, which can happen when there's too much water in the PC.

That's because there's very little water in dry steam. "Dry" steam is steam hotter than 212 degrees F. It's the only kind of steam that does any actual work; the wet steam you see coming off a boiling pot is a cloud of condensed water droplets. Dry steam is something like 2% water; it's drier than desert air. Some high-end PC's form a very strong vacuum if they are left closed after a PC run while being allowed to cool off. That's caused by all the water losing it's energy and condensing, and since there's no air in a PC under pressure, when the steam condenses there's nothing left in the space it occupied so you get a vacuum.


I suggest attempting a simple BRF grow, just the brown rice flour and the vermiculite (the original PF Tek). The fewer variables the better as there are fewer possible culprits to investigate if something goes wrong. Later you can introduce additional supplements up to and including the "supercake" formula.

Also, simpler grows allow you gain a quicker 'feel' for good growth, and once you get a set of experienced mushroom-grower eyes (and nose!) a quick glance at most jars (or the smell of the room) tells you all you need to know about their status. Squeezing a handful of substrate (any kind) and listening to the sound it makes while gauging the feel and watching how much water drops out is how I insure proper moisture content when I mix up a batch. So, as you make jars squeeze the mix, listen to it, and watch it so that you'll get that feel for perfect moisture content when you later see which jars did best (You can note things like "Those jars sounded squishier and released more drops of water than these jars that stalled out" or whatever works for you).

The fastest and most reliable way for someone who hasn't grown before to get plenty of mushrooms before Halloween would be to order the pre-sterilized jars or bags that Hip sells at mycrotopia and then fruit them invitro.

That approach only takes two steps: Shoot the spores, then harvest the mushrooms. In the process you'll be seeing what proper growth of mycelium looks like and what knots and pins look like as opposed to molds or bacteria, and IMO if I'd been able to learn that way I would've been able to cut years off my education.

[Irishlion]

This is very simple and should help you in the long run if you continue with popcorn. Its very very easy

First, Measure your popcorn dry. Approx 1/2 a jar dry will = whole jar Hydrated.

Dump all measured popcorn into the PC "loose" meaning not inside of jars. Dump double the water that there is popcorn, if you dump more water thats even better as the popcorn will double in size. PC @ 15 P.S.I. for 60 minutes (one hour)

Once the pcing is done release pressure.

Once pressure is released strain popcorn out on window screen or something of the like, while hot. Wear gloves or some type of hand protection for this. So as to not burn your hands with the steam. Its done like this so all the moistire will evap from the outside of the popcorn kernels. Allow this to cool to the touch. You will notice if done right the outside of the kernels will be dry, don't let this fool you as all the moisture will be inside the kernel. You can take a dry kernel and do a side by side of the hydrated one to see. It should be twice as big.

Add 1/8 to 1/4 cup fine verm (or whatever you have, I use fine for this) to each jar.

Jar popcorn up, cover lid and ring with tinfoil. Then PC @ 15 psi for 60 more minutes. Allow to cool over night. then Knock up.

Heres what it should look like before PCing and after. Remember to remove tinfoil after inoculating sso the jars can breath. If jars are gonna be setting after PCing any length of time. More than a day then remove tinfoil.




This is a 7 day old MS inco using the above tek




LIDS

Making whole grain lids is very simple. Heres the ones I use and they work killer.

Single Whole polyfil Lids

Things required

Lids
Polyfill
Big phillips Screwdriver or anything that wil make a 1/4 to 1/2 hole in center of lid. A 3/8 dril bit is the best (if using a drill bit then the screwdriver and hammer aren't required.)
hammer
Scissors

Lay lid down face up on flat surface. a cooking board or or flat board works well. Drive the screw driver through the lids and wobble screw drive in the whole in a 360 fashion. Then turn lid over, using hammer flatten sharp edges so you don't cut yourself while pushing in the polyfil.

Next grab some polyfil and twist it tight and pull through the hole. The harder it is to get through the whoe the better off you are. pul though hole till its about 3/4" to 1" on the other side. Now take scissors and trim off the polyfil until its about 1/2" on both sides. Bingo, now you have a lid that will breathe and you can knock up through as well. Heres a PIC of ones of the lids so you get a idea

[Shroomzion]

great advice all around, thank you so much guy's

so im going to toss the contaminated jars with out opening them...
and i got some new jars today, so ill go the Polyfill way and make some holes.
ill cook the popcorn tonight and start again...

can i use one of the jars i got to inoculate the new jars or should i not risk it and use the spore water i got left over?

[Irishlion]

Originally Posted by Shroomzion

great advice all around, thank you so much guy's

so im going to toss the contaminated jars with out opening them...
and i got some new jars today, so ill go the Polyfill way and make some holes.
ill cook the popcorn tonight and start again...

can i use one of the jars i got to inoculate the new jars or should i not risk it and use the spore water i got left over?

Eh if theres bacteria or any others nasties in there you will just infect the new spawn. If you have one thats 100% done then yes you can g2g but, you wil need a glovebox or something of the like and I believe Hip sells those look under gorw equipment http://www.mycrotopia.com.

When in doubt throw it out. As you have no holes in any of those I would probally say they are all lost man. sorry to be the barer of bad news as I really want to see you have a successful first grow. If you have enough spore solution, knock up some new ones and let them fully colonize and once they are 100% then G2G them into some new clean ones. Btw g2g means Grain to grain.

[MLBjammer]

I would use the spore solution personally if you are unsure at all about that jar. You can also reuse the jars--just clean well with bleach and detergent outside, then wash your clothes and take a shower (don't want to spread mold spores in your house). Good luck!

[Shroomzion]

well i do have one really good jar that is a almost done...
i might pour the corn in to a ziplock bag just to check if i can see any contamination,
and if not then ill try to case and fruite it and see if i get somthing out of it...
all i need is like one good mushroom to get sporeprints out of it
a few more mushrooms will be nice as well.

[Irishlion]

Originally Posted by Shroomzion

well i do have one really good jar that is a almost done...
i might pour the corn in to a ziplock bag just to check if i can see any contamination,
and if not then ill try to case and fruite it and see if i get somthing out of it...
all i need is like one good mushroom to get sporeprints out of it
a few more mushrooms will be nice as well.

then take that quart and mix it with 2 or 3 quarts of dung/straw or dung/coir and you will have more than one I promise.

[TVCasualty]

Originally Posted by Shroomzion

i might pour the corn in to a ziplock bag just to check if i can see any contamination,

To just check for contamination, all you have to do is look at it while it's still inside that jar and then crack the lid and give it a little sniff. If it smells bad it is bad. Good healthy mycelium smells a little weird, but shouldn't smell bad.

[P4ulada]

Originally Posted by Irishlion

LIDS

Next grab some polyfil and twist it tight and pull through the hole. The harder it is to get through the whoe the better off you are. pul though hole till its about 3/4" to 1" on the other side. Now take scissors and trim off the polyfil until its about 1/2" on both sides. Bingo, now you have a lid that will breathe and you can knock up through as well

Hey Irish...if I do this drill on my lid I don´t need to open, yes? But if I do to shake the jar, for to mix the kernel and to "distribute the mycelium", it´s not dangerous? Because I think it will make a little pieces of subs to hang on polifil...You think the polifil is safe from threats from outside the jar?
And about the humidity....if the relative humidity is very high, it can cause condensation or something like this in the polifil, and thus to drip on the grains inside, don´t?
I never did a breath process before and my jars always got done
Thanx bro

[Irishlion]

Originally Posted by P4ulada

Hey Irish...if I do this drill on my lid I don´t need to open, yes? But if I do to shake the jar, for to mix the kernel and to "distribute the mycelium", it´s not dangerous?

No man will be quite fine. Yes no need to open it just inject directly through the polyfil

Originally Posted by P4ulada

Because I think it will make a little pieces of subs to hang on polifil...You think the polifil is safe from threats from outside the jar?

As safe as any other filter. You are using popcorn here, if it sticks to the polyfil, better throw that jar way as something is bad fucked up LOL

Originally Posted by P4ulada

And about the humidity....if the relative humidity is very high, it can cause condensation or something like this in the polifil, and thus to drip on the grains inside, don´t?
I never did a breath process before and my jars always got done
Thanx bro

If your humidity is that high for it to condesate and drip into the polyfil, you got problems. We keep them in a incubator for a reason. But, in a closet works too. Oh and I have NEVER seen humidity high enough to do that. You living under the ocean with the squirel off spong bob?

Seruously bro, It works great otherwise it wouldn't be here on topia. Hip doesn't allow bunk bullshit here and neither do us mods man. If I post you something its cause it works and is usually pretty damn simple to do man.

[MLBjammer]

Your response was faster than mine. No use for the same answer twice. Polyfill lids are tried and true, just as Irish says.

[P4ulada]

Ok.
So sorry about this =/

[Shroomzion]

so things are going way better then i expected
i now have 4 jars that look great and are 98% done.
the medical tape did its thing and the jars can now breath so the rate of growth is much faster.

so my plan is to case and fruite all of the jars tomorow once i get a plastic box for my terrerium.

im going with a sinlge tub, and i have a question as far as the best combo for casing with the things i have at hand...
i have coco coir , perlite , vermiculite and a mix of coco/ perlite i use for my ganja plants.
so is there a good mix that would work well for casing my corn?

thanx guy's

[Irishlion]

Originally Posted by Shroomzion

so things are going way better then i expected
i now have 4 jars that look great and are 98% done.
the medical tape did its thing and the jars can now breath so the rate of growth is much faster.

so my plan is to case and fruite all of the jars tomorow once i get a plastic box for my terrerium.

im going with a sinlge tub, and i have a question as far as the best combo for casing with the things i have at hand...
i have coco coir , perlite , vermiculite and a mix of coco/ perlite i use for my ganja plants.
so is there a good mix that would work well for casing my corn?

thanx guy's

50/50 coir and verm and never put perlite in a sub, if anything use verm and coir and a good casing mix is what I stated above 50/50 verm/coir about 1/4" thick. Wil be golden. Remember to give your casing ALOT of fae so it doesn't over lay. But, best to use some dung in your sub like 50/50 hpoo and coir or 50/50 castings and coir and case if you must case it although if mixing with dung casings aren't required but, if you useing strainght popcorn then you will difently want to case that.

[Shroomzion]

hey irishlion, thanx so much for your advice
sould i do a 1/4" top and botom?
and do i need to PC my casing matirials?

[Irishlion]

Originally Posted by Shroomzion

hey irishlion, thanx so much for your advice
sould i do a 1/4" top and botom?
and do i need to PC my casing matirials?

On top if you gonna put in in a tub.


Eh can if you like, pasterising those work well also, If your coir is pet coir then no sterlization but, if it came from a hydro shop you most diffently want to sterlize it as alot of places add trich to their coir as its benifical to plants.

[Shroomzion]

yah, im still thinking about it, but i think im going monotub...
with every new thread i read i get new ideas, so its hard to make a decision

how thick should the popcorn layer be on the botom the the tub?

[MLBjammer]

Here's a good thread on monotubs, with lots of different perspectives: http://forums.mycotopia.net/grow-cha...questions.html (Will be starting first monotub Some Questions?)

As far as depth, you want at least a couple inches. A bottom casing layer is a waste of energy IME. Congrats on the success.

[Shroomzion]

thanx for the advice MLBjammer

think we can waite with the congrats untill i see sone grown shorooms

but so far so good...

here are some new pics of the collonated popcorn and the new jars i made,
tonight im going to do some g2g with the new jars i PCed yesteday

i will also do the casing after that, i got some good boxes and im going to drill the holes all around like i saw in some threads, and fill with the polyfill
and hope for the best

[MLBjammer]

Those jars look much better. Heck, there are congratulations in order.

If you just want to go simple fruiting your popcorn, you can do a rez-effect grow with vermiculite and coir--works quite well.

It is good to see that you are learning, which equals future shrooming

[Shroomzion]

thanx MLBjammer

yah the rez effect sounds awsome,
and its a good way of fully utilizing my jars to fill the bottom of the box.

can you give a retio for spawn / verm-coco mix?
how much coco/verm do i need to add to the spwn?

thanx again

[MLBjammer]

1:2 or 1:3 at most--I go 1:2. The more spawn (in your case popcorn), the better your chances of success.

I go about 3/4 coir and 1/4 vermiculite. Others recommend 2/3 coir to 1/3 vermiculite. Go heavy with the coir, light with the vermiculite.

Peace.

[Shroomzion]

ok so i did it
i did a g2g from one jar to all the other new one's,
and i must say the mycelium smells very nice and mushroom sweet

then i mixed the corn with the coir/verm mix, and i got atleast two inches of it in the box.
so now the box is in a dark place and i hope to see some growth soon
here is a pic of the box

[sagiboy]

hi man. welcome to mycotopia!

good to see more ppl from zion. if ya need some spores pm me.

very nice thread, read it all. as always the "elders" are bombing with patience and wonderful information. i hope you are learning. i surely do.

a small advice:

Originally Posted by Shroomzion

so now the box is in a dark place and i hope to see some growth soon
here is a pic of the box

expose it to light. fuck the darkness bring on the light... lol.
you can fly next full moon... hehe... good luck.

p.s.
co2 builds up in the bottom and its good idea to make some holes 1inch above the casing level.

[GadgetGuy]

You are well on the road to success Zion. Good job and much love to your tub

[MLBjammer]

Looking better, man. Sagi told you about those air holes needing to be much closer to the substrate. I hope to see some boomers in that tub soon. Good vibes.

[Shroomzion]

hey sagi nice to see you here:
yah the "elders" sure did help alot , and all of the advice is golden
i did learn alot in a short while from them and this place in general.
im glad i found my way here to this awsome comunity...

MLBjammer, GadgetGuy thanx again for your comments and advice.

as far as the holes on the bottom and the light cycle.

i thougt i needed to keep the tub in darkness untill the substrate is fully colonized with mycelium for 2-3 days and then give it light to fruite it.
so i figured ill drill the lower holes when those days pass , and untill then i air it manualy twice a day...
so far so good, the mycelium covrage is good and at about 50%
ill post pics tonight.
and the g2g i did seem to work well and the jars are starting to fill nicly as well...
i dont know if ill use those jars b/c if this tub fruites nice shrooms then i might not need any more for a while as this is for my personal use only

[GadgetGuy]

You can never have enough shrooms...... use that spawn. I advise against drilling any holes after spawning as I have had incidents that way but if you do it.... be careful. Glad to see success!