Start Growing Shrooms first time

p88prw · 08-12-09, 20:22

hi
i am new to mcycology and am wanting to learn more about how to get the most out of growing shrooms, i no the basics about how to grow them. i currently have the vermiculite and rye flour to use for the substate and 2 tapered jars. i still need to buy a pressure cooker and the spores. does anyone have any useful advise that maybe useful to me?

the other part of mcycology i cant get me head around is the best way to clone part the colinised myceilium

with me been new to this i would be greatful if it could be exlained in simple terms, as so that i can understand some of the more complexe terms

thanks
p88prw

BuckarooBanzai · 08-12-09, 21:14

Primary piece of advice - do a ton of reading before you try to do anything. Read until you can recite the process you intend to follow chapter and verse.

Check my sig line. The Banzai Institute is a collection of all my Teks.

There are MANY other good Teks out there. Find the one that makes the most sense to you and read it until you've got it memorized.

Ask ANY question you have and keep asking until you understand the answer given.

And welcome to Mycotopia!

chimp · 08-12-09, 21:16

Welcome

MLBjammer · 08-12-09, 21:21

Welcome! Check out the sponsors for spore prints, syringes, etc. Good luck--buy more jars, first off. Peace, and good luck!!

p88prw · 08-17-09, 18:38

i am planning on using the PF Tek method, as this seams to be the simplist and easiest to understand, i have found a really good PDF doc that is really useful and also a goolge video that explains everything step by step

does anyone have any useful tip for the first time grow eg what spores to use etc as there are many different types,

i would be also greatful for some info on picking mushrooms as it is nearly in season

thanks

MLBjammer · 08-17-09, 21:00

As far as spores, any cubnesis strain would do well (B+, Amazon, Golden Teacher, South American, etc.).

Sorry, I am not much help on picking wild shrooms.

Sidestreet Getaway · 08-17-09, 21:10

Welcome!

Many people here have a great deal of knowledge and many of them are willing to share it with you. Browse through the vaults, it's a whole library of cool info and ideas.

Don't get discouraged if success doesn't come easy. But if you keep it simple and follow the pf tek to the letter and success will come!

Best of luck to you.

Edit: Be very careful picking mushrooms you plan on eating. I hear it's easy for a beginner to eat the wrong ones.

BuckarooBanzai · 08-17-09, 22:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by p88prw

does anyone have any useful tip for the first time grow eg what spores to use etc as there are many different types,
thanks

1> Don't buy a hygrometer. Accurate at 80% and above cost $50-$60. Look for condensation on the walls of the terrarium. If you have condensation every time you look, humidity is above 90%. If the walls are always dry when you look, you have humiditiy well below 80%.

2> Start with B+ or Hillbilly. Easy first-timer strains. Most other (non-PFA or PE) strains are just as easy.

3> Get your sterile procedure down pat outside the glovebox before trying it inside.

4> Pick a Tek - any Tek - and stick to it line for line. Don't change things until you know why things were "rules" in the first place.

p88prw · 08-18-09, 13:45

What would be the best way to keep a constant temperature in the terrarium then as it needs to be kept at a cirtain temp.

Is it ok to sterialise the Pf jars by boiling rather than using a pressure cooker if i boiled it for longer?

thanks

jedimindtrick44 · 08-18-09, 14:09

Hey, welcome to the 'topia

Usually what I do for temps is I keep my incubator close to my computer (which 90% of the time is on) and it keeps it a nice 83 F ish.

As for my fruiting chamber, my room is almost always about 75, so that'll work for fruiting.

the absolute best way to keep it at any certin temp is to get it to that temp wither with a heatbomb, or a heatpad, and insulate the chamber. I used to wrap a blanket around my incubator (before I figured out that I can just keep it next to my 'pooter)

boiling PF jars will work, I had a lot of success with that meathod. bring the water to a slow boil, and keep it at a boil for an hour an a half.

If you find "The Magic Mushroom Grow Guide" (MMGG for short) also known as the unadulterated "PF tek" he explains in more detail how to boil your jars. I'd start there.

Sidestreet Getaway · 08-18-09, 21:01

Jedimindtrick is right, you can boil your jars that way.

Another way is to boil them 1 or more hours, two or three days in a row.

But if you can afford it, a pressure cooker is definitely a good investment. Try looking around at yard/garage sales, or saving up if money's tight.

Best of luck to you.

GadgetGuy · 08-18-09, 21:30

http://cgi.ebay.com/Presto-23-Quart-...d=p3286.c0.m14

I have the 16 quart version. Has been in my posession for 6 or so years....

I would just bite the bullet and get one. It will pay for itself a million times.

p88prw · 08-19-09, 07:24

are there any disadvantages of using the boiling method as i no somebody that has had problems using this method in the past.

i am trying to keep my costs as low as posible as i am a student with little money

is there any method that can be used to make the mushrooms stronger?

thanks

MLBjammer · 08-19-09, 07:36

Steam sterilization (boiling the jars in a pot) is fairly reliable. The downside of it is that occasionally the process doesn't kill all the bad bacteria/mould. Pressure cooking kills it all; thus, your success rate will be better by pressure cooking.

That question is constantly asked. Strength of shrooms is about genetics much more than what medium you use to grow. Get a syringe from one of our sponsors and grow some BRF cakes. I believe you will find these as strong as any. Good luck.

BuckarooBanzai · 08-20-09, 19:48

Steam sterilizing works. You can make steam sterilization much more effective by spreading it out over 3 nights:

http://forums.mycotopia.net/steriliz...re-cooker.html (Fractional Sterilization - mushrooms without a pressure cooker.)

Fractional sterilization works with grains and doesn't require a pressure cooker - it just requires more time/commitment.

MLBjammer · 08-20-09, 20:09

Man, that is too much work! I am a lazy SOB.

p88prw · 08-20-09, 21:17

Fractional sterilisation does actual make a lot of sence, i will try this process, it may take longer but good things come to people that wait. i am in no rush to get the mushrooms grown as im looking it as been a hobby more than anything else.

i am considering using the maztapec strain but cant seem to find much info about it on here, about its history etc

i also thought that it would be a good idea for me to create a grow blog using microsoft word when i do start growing hopefully in a week or so

.

If anyone has any good tips on growing using the maztapec or amazon strains it would be most appreciative.

thanks

s0mer4ndom1diot · 08-20-09, 22:13

bee pollen helps with potency

chimp · 08-20-09, 22:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by s0mer4ndom1diot

bee pollen helps with potency

Any evidence to back this claim up would be neat to see. I have never seen any.

coyoteyogi · 08-22-09, 10:52

I have found that B+ pollen definitely helps with potency...

s0mer4ndom1diot · 08-22-09, 13:57

well if evidence is hip himself saying it... lol. but seriously, i remember him sayin it at one point and someone asking for evidence, but i dont remember if he showed any proof or not. lemme see if i can find it

lewiscarroll · 08-22-09, 13:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by coyoteyogi

I have found that B+ pollen definitely helps with potency...

LMAO!
Hey, I'm in the middle of my first time also & here's a couple of things I can tell you so far...
Like Buckaroo said, the main thing is you have to do a lot of reading - everything you need is on this site.
Steam sterilizing worked fine for me with no contams - 90 min in a stock pot with the jars elevated off the bottom and the right sized lid.
I incubated my jars on the top shelf of a closet where it was about 80-82 degrees. What I should have done is put them in the same place but in a styrofoam cooler & they would have colonized faster. I tried making a heat bomb but it didn't do much without insulation. With insulation I'd bet the heat bomb wouldn't have even been necessary. Another thing about this is I think the jars will probably colonize more consistently instead of hitting 100% all on different days like mine did.
Grind up some organic brown rice - don't buy flour
Buy a 4-pack of syringes & try a little of each - that saved me 'cause two of my syringes did nothing. The B+ colonized pretty quickly with lots of rhizomorphic growth. My PF redspore also worked & looks real healthy.
Your GB only needs to be a tub with two holes. I used drain flanges so I can cap the holes when not in use. Spray down with bleach solution, wait 10 minutes, dry with paper towels, wipe with alcohol, spray some oust in there. Make sure there are no air drafts, make sure you are very clean, use tyvek sleeves (lowes), cool your flame sterilized needle with an alcohol prep pad.
Save some solution & make some LC out of it. IrishLion's honey/karo tek worked great for me & it doesn't need a PC.

s0mer4ndom1diot · 08-22-09, 14:39

alright here it is...
http://forums.mycotopia.net/polls/10...mous-poll.html (Do you supplement your BRF/Verm mix? -=Anonymous Poll=-)

MLBjammer · 08-22-09, 16:03

I had read that a long time ago. Nice find. Cubies, to me, are damn strong without any additives to a BRF cake. That said, I have been using H3's supercake formula for the last few grows. All I can say is be very precise with the additives; too much and you are in for contamville.

I really couldn't say whether the fruits are any stronger. Maybe.

p88prw · 08-26-09, 19:44

what is used in the bottom of the box where the BRF cakes are placed onto, thanks
p88prw

lewiscarroll · 08-26-09, 20:09

Hydrated Perlite

p88prw · 08-26-09, 20:27

where can this be purchased from cheep as i have never herd of the stuff b4

p88prw · 08-26-09, 20:35

regarding the bees pollen, can you purchase this from helth food shops, and also is it mixed into the substrate

thanks
p88prw

BuckarooBanzai · 08-26-09, 22:23

Buy bee pollen at the health food store in capsules. Don't purchase "queen pollen" or "royal jelly."

Open the capsule and squeeze it between your fingers while rolling it around. Dump the powder where you think it is needed.

I have found Bee Pollen to be most useful in LCs and agar plates for storage.

p88prw · 08-27-09, 05:53

once the powder has been taken out of the tablet is it mixed in with the substarte and also how much is used

thanks
p88prw

lewiscarroll · 08-27-09, 14:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by p88prw

once the powder has been taken out of the tablet is it mixed in with the substarte and also how much is used

thanks
p88prw

See MLBjammer's earlier post for a link to the supercake formula which uses bee pollen.

You find perlite at nurseries

p88prw · 09-06-09, 15:19

i am currently in the fractional sterisation process atm, i will be ready to inoculate the jars in a couple of days from now, hopefully it will all go well without any contamination. im using the mazatapec strain, if anyone has any info about this strain it would be a help thanks

GadgetGuy · 09-06-09, 15:34

Depending on what your utility situation is fractional sterilization will quickly outweigh a pressure cooker when paying for propane etc. on the stove but to each their own...

If you stumble upon a term you don't understand and it is highlighted in yellow you can click on it and it will take you to the glossary. If you read of a term elsewhere and don't know what it means here is a link to the glossary http://forums.mycotopia.net/glossary.php.

If I was you I would get a flat of jars, 2 just won't quite be enough IMO.

MLBjammer · 09-06-09, 18:03

Maz is a slow colonizer which usually puts out short, meaty fruits which pack a wallop--that is according to Tasty Bev.

masterplain88 · 09-06-09, 18:59

hey BB can you explain in tek like for your use of bee pollen for lc and agar storage and the amount / mix used. aslo i dont use a pc and 1 hour 45 min for bfr jars works great for me out of my last 24 jars i lost 2. only problem boiling jars is watching the water level for over boil into your jar.
masterplain88

Quote:

Originally Posted by BuckarooBanzai

Buy bee pollen at the health food store in capsules. Don't purchase "queen pollen" or "royal jelly."

Open the capsule and squeeze it between your fingers while rolling it around. Dump the powder where you think it is needed.

I have found Bee Pollen to be most useful in LCs and agar plates for storage.

BuckarooBanzai · 09-06-09, 22:26

Bee pollen provides amino acids and trace nutrients.

A very small amount is good for agar and LCs. Just a big pinch - not very much. To small an amount to really measure. You can put a little more in cakes (check the supercake recipe).

Boil sterilization works. Do you have a cover on the pot or is it open?

doodaa man · 09-07-09, 01:01

Since new to this just go simple as you can, and grow as you go.
This approach worked for me. I started w/just the brv pf tek and B+ very simple if your clean. once i got that down, moved to the next step. Get your confidence up using the simplest method you can be comfortable with. U will be amazed with the
speed you will learn new teks by reading the vaults here........

good luck and expand your mind , for it is endless

masterplain88 · 09-07-09, 01:20

yea i got the pf tek down good i have done popcorn multi spore and lc to bulk . i have grown bpk,palenque,B+,amazone and am getting ready to start tia lipa yai. so know i think its time to move on and see the bennefits of strain isolation.
masterpalin88

doodaa man · 09-07-09, 01:34

yea, it's beem four yrs and i'm ready to leap to wood. I'm gonna try blue foot.
way lit jim helped alot w/dat......
Man this place is da bomb, as u know ! Just this topic is so mind blowing.
You never get board with this hobbie !
Late, peace !

abort · 09-07-09, 01:45

I am a newbie too 10m I would suggest getting yourself a copy of THE MUSHROOM CULTIVATOR by Paul Stammets and J.S. Chilton besides all of the knowledge i have gained on thi site I have found that if you read that book it will tell you most of what you need to know.

probe · 09-07-09, 02:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by p88prw

What would be the best way to keep a constant temperature in the terrarium then as it needs to be kept at a cirtain temp.

Is it ok to sterialise the Pf jars by boiling rather than using a pressure cooker if i boiled it for longer?

thanks

i think its ok to boil the jars with the brf/verm in them it works good for me. thats how i have done it every time i inoculate a jar.. but i am a probe as well, i have only had one sucessful grow after i got my jars 100% colonized which i think is the easy part. (colonizing the jars)
the trouble i had was with the humidity and keeping the temps in the right range

p88prw · 09-12-09, 15:38

i have some growth in one of the substrate jars so far 3 days after inoculation

p88prw · 09-24-09, 08:48

The mycelium is now well on its way i hoping that they will be fully colinised in about 2 weeks tops, then i will be on to the fruiting process any info on this would be helpfull thanks

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08-12-09, 20:22	#1 (permalink)
p88prw Mycophiliac Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 43	Start Growing Shrooms first time hi i am new to mcycology and am wanting to learn more about how to get the most out of growing shrooms, i no the basics about how to grow them. i currently have the vermiculite and rye flour to use for the substate and 2 tapered jars. i still need to buy a pressure cooker and the spores. does anyone have any useful advise that maybe useful to me? the other part of mcycology i cant get me head around is the best way to clone part the colinised myceilium with me been new to this i would be greatful if it could be exlained in simple terms, as so that i can understand some of the more complexe terms thanks p88prw

08-12-09, 21:14	#2 (permalink)
BuckarooBanzai Prone to ranting... Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 6,050	Primary piece of advice - do a ton of reading before you try to do anything. Read until you can recite the process you intend to follow chapter and verse. Check my sig line. The Banzai Institute is a collection of all my Teks. There are MANY other good Teks out there. Find the one that makes the most sense to you and read it until you've got it memorized. Ask ANY question you have and keep asking until you understand the answer given. And welcome to Mycotopia! __________________ Banzai Institute for Higher Education (a collection of growing Teks & threads)

08-12-09, 21:16	#3 (permalink)
chimp Space Lord Modulator Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,425	Welcome __________________ Respond, Vibrate, Feedback, Resonate

08-18-09, 21:30	#12 (permalink)
GadgetGuy Stupid Snowboarder... Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 1,315	http://cgi.ebay.com/Presto-23-Quart-...d=p3286.c0.m14 I have the 16 quart version. Has been in my posession for 6 or so years.... I would just bite the bullet and get one. It will pay for itself a million times. __________________ I have to hold on to the grass or I'll fall off the world!

08-12-09, 21:21	#4 (permalink)
MLBjammer Addicted to Invitro Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,877	Welcome! Check out the sponsors for spore prints, syringes, etc. Good luck--buy more jars, first off. Peace, and good luck!!

08-17-09, 18:38	#5 (permalink)
p88prw Mycophiliac Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 43	i am planning on using the PF Tek method, as this seams to be the simplist and easiest to understand, i have found a really good PDF doc that is really useful and also a goolge video that explains everything step by step does anyone have any useful tip for the first time grow eg what spores to use etc as there are many different types, i would be also greatful for some info on picking mushrooms as it is nearly in season thanks

08-17-09, 21:00	#6 (permalink)
MLBjammer Addicted to Invitro Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,877	As far as spores, any cubnesis strain would do well (B+, Amazon, Golden Teacher, South American, etc.). Sorry, I am not much help on picking wild shrooms.

08-17-09, 21:10	#7 (permalink)
Sidestreet Getaway Slaptastician Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,319	Welcome! Many people here have a great deal of knowledge and many of them are willing to share it with you. Browse through the vaults, it's a whole library of cool info and ideas. Don't get discouraged if success doesn't come easy. But if you keep it simple and follow the pf tek to the letter and success will come! Best of luck to you. Edit: Be very careful picking mushrooms you plan on eating. I hear it's easy for a beginner to eat the wrong ones.

08-18-09, 13:45	#9 (permalink)
p88prw Mycophiliac Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 43	What would be the best way to keep a constant temperature in the terrarium then as it needs to be kept at a cirtain temp. Is it ok to sterialise the Pf jars by boiling rather than using a pressure cooker if i boiled it for longer? thanks

08-18-09, 14:09	#10 (permalink)
jedimindtrick44 addicted to the 'tope Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 38	Hey, welcome to the 'topia Usually what I do for temps is I keep my incubator close to my computer (which 90% of the time is on) and it keeps it a nice 83 F ish. As for my fruiting chamber, my room is almost always about 75, so that'll work for fruiting. the absolute best way to keep it at any certin temp is to get it to that temp wither with a heatbomb, or a heatpad, and insulate the chamber. I used to wrap a blanket around my incubator (before I figured out that I can just keep it next to my 'pooter) boiling PF jars will work, I had a lot of success with that meathod. bring the water to a slow boil, and keep it at a boil for an hour an a half. If you find "The Magic Mushroom Grow Guide" (MMGG for short) also known as the unadulterated "PF tek" he explains in more detail how to boil your jars. I'd start there.

08-18-09, 21:01	#11 (permalink)
Sidestreet Getaway Slaptastician Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,319	Jedimindtrick is right, you can boil your jars that way. Another way is to boil them 1 or more hours, two or three days in a row. But if you can afford it, a pressure cooker is definitely a good investment. Try looking around at yard/garage sales, or saving up if money's tight. Best of luck to you.

08-19-09, 07:24	#13 (permalink)
p88prw Mycophiliac Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 43	are there any disadvantages of using the boiling method as i no somebody that has had problems using this method in the past. i am trying to keep my costs as low as posible as i am a student with little money is there any method that can be used to make the mushrooms stronger? thanks

08-19-09, 07:36	#14 (permalink)
MLBjammer Addicted to Invitro Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,877	Steam sterilization (boiling the jars in a pot) is fairly reliable. The downside of it is that occasionally the process doesn't kill all the bad bacteria/mould. Pressure cooking kills it all; thus, your success rate will be better by pressure cooking. That question is constantly asked. Strength of shrooms is about genetics much more than what medium you use to grow. Get a syringe from one of our sponsors and grow some BRF cakes. I believe you will find these as strong as any. Good luck.

08-20-09, 19:48	#15 (permalink)
BuckarooBanzai Prone to ranting... Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 6,050	Steam sterilizing works. You can make steam sterilization much more effective by spreading it out over 3 nights: http://forums.mycotopia.net/steriliz...re-cooker.html (Fractional Sterilization - mushrooms without a pressure cooker.) Fractional sterilization works with grains and doesn't require a pressure cooker - it just requires more time/commitment. __________________ Banzai Institute for Higher Education (a collection of growing Teks & threads)

08-20-09, 20:09	#16 (permalink)
MLBjammer Addicted to Invitro Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,877	Man, that is too much work! I am a lazy SOB.

08-20-09, 21:17	#17 (permalink)
p88prw Mycophiliac Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 43	Fractional sterilisation does actual make a lot of sence, i will try this process, it may take longer but good things come to people that wait. i am in no rush to get the mushrooms grown as im looking it as been a hobby more than anything else. i am considering using the maztapec strain but cant seem to find much info about it on here, about its history etc i also thought that it would be a good idea for me to create a grow blog using microsoft word when i do start growing hopefully in a week or so . If anyone has any good tips on growing using the maztapec or amazon strains it would be most appreciative. thanks __________________ i hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violance or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me!

08-20-09, 22:13	#18 (permalink)
s0mer4ndom1diot Shaman Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 584	bee pollen helps with potency __________________ A mans life are what his thoughts make of it

08-22-09, 10:52	#20 (permalink)
coyoteyogi Mycophiliac Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 69	I have found that B+ pollen definitely helps with potency...

08-22-09, 13:57	#21 (permalink)
s0mer4ndom1diot Shaman Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 584	well if evidence is hip himself saying it... lol. but seriously, i remember him sayin it at one point and someone asking for evidence, but i dont remember if he showed any proof or not. lemme see if i can find it __________________ A mans life are what his thoughts make of it

08-22-09, 14:39	#23 (permalink)
s0mer4ndom1diot Shaman Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 584	alright here it is... http://forums.mycotopia.net/polls/10...mous-poll.html (Do you supplement your BRF/Verm mix? -=Anonymous Poll=-) __________________ A mans life are what his thoughts make of it

08-22-09, 16:03	#24 (permalink)
MLBjammer Addicted to Invitro Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,877	I had read that a long time ago. Nice find. Cubies, to me, are damn strong without any additives to a BRF cake. That said, I have been using H3's supercake formula for the last few grows. All I can say is be very precise with the additives; too much and you are in for contamville. I really couldn't say whether the fruits are any stronger. Maybe.

08-26-09, 19:44	#25 (permalink)
p88prw Mycophiliac Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 43	what is used in the bottom of the box where the BRF cakes are placed onto, thanks p88prw __________________ i hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violance or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me!

08-26-09, 20:09	#26 (permalink)
lewiscarroll Mycophiliac Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 91	Hydrated Perlite

08-26-09, 20:27	#27 (permalink)
p88prw Mycophiliac Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 43	where can this be purchased from cheep as i have never herd of the stuff b4 __________________ i hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violance or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me!

08-26-09, 20:35	#28 (permalink)
p88prw Mycophiliac Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 43	regarding the bees pollen, can you purchase this from helth food shops, and also is it mixed into the substrate thanks p88prw __________________ i hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violance or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me!

08-26-09, 22:23	#29 (permalink)
BuckarooBanzai Prone to ranting... Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 6,050	Buy bee pollen at the health food store in capsules. Don't purchase "queen pollen" or "royal jelly." Open the capsule and squeeze it between your fingers while rolling it around. Dump the powder where you think it is needed. I have found Bee Pollen to be most useful in LCs and agar plates for storage. __________________ Banzai Institute for Higher Education (a collection of growing Teks & threads)

08-27-09, 05:53	#30 (permalink)
p88prw Mycophiliac Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 43	once the powder has been taken out of the tablet is it mixed in with the substarte and also how much is used thanks p88prw __________________ i hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violance or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me!

09-06-09, 15:19	#32 (permalink)
p88prw Mycophiliac Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 43	i am currently in the fractional sterisation process atm, i will be ready to inoculate the jars in a couple of days from now, hopefully it will all go well without any contamination. im using the mazatapec strain, if anyone has any info about this strain it would be a help thanks __________________ i hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violance or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me!

09-06-09, 15:34	#33 (permalink)
GadgetGuy Stupid Snowboarder... Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 1,315	Depending on what your utility situation is fractional sterilization will quickly outweigh a pressure cooker when paying for propane etc. on the stove but to each their own... If you stumble upon a term you don't understand and it is highlighted in yellow you can click on it and it will take you to the glossary. If you read of a term elsewhere and don't know what it means here is a link to the glossary http://forums.mycotopia.net/glossary.php. If I was you I would get a flat of jars, 2 just won't quite be enough IMO. __________________ I have to hold on to the grass or I'll fall off the world!

09-06-09, 18:03	#34 (permalink)
MLBjammer Addicted to Invitro Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,877	Maz is a slow colonizer which usually puts out short, meaty fruits which pack a wallop--that is according to Tasty Bev.

09-06-09, 22:26	#36 (permalink)
BuckarooBanzai Prone to ranting... Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 6,050	Bee pollen provides amino acids and trace nutrients. A very small amount is good for agar and LCs. Just a big pinch - not very much. To small an amount to really measure. You can put a little more in cakes (check the supercake recipe). Boil sterilization works. Do you have a cover on the pot or is it open? __________________ Banzai Institute for Higher Education (a collection of growing Teks & threads)

09-07-09, 01:01	#37 (permalink)
doodaa man Eating @ da Y VIP style Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 371	Since new to this just go simple as you can, and grow as you go. This approach worked for me. I started w/just the brv pf tek and B+ very simple if your clean. once i got that down, moved to the next step. Get your confidence up using the simplest method you can be comfortable with. U will be amazed with the speed you will learn new teks by reading the vaults here........ good luck and expand your mind , for it is endless __________________ Strangers stopping strangers Just to shake their hand

09-07-09, 01:20	#38 (permalink)
masterplain88 Mycotopiate Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 683	yea i got the pf tek down good i have done popcorn multi spore and lc to bulk . i have grown bpk,palenque,B+,amazone and am getting ready to start tia lipa yai. so know i think its time to move on and see the bennefits of strain isolation. masterpalin88

09-07-09, 01:34	#39 (permalink)
doodaa man Eating @ da Y VIP style Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 371	yea, it's beem four yrs and i'm ready to leap to wood. I'm gonna try blue foot. way lit jim helped alot w/dat...... Man this place is da bomb, as u know ! Just this topic is so mind blowing. You never get board with this hobbie ! Late, peace ! __________________ Strangers stopping strangers Just to shake their hand