Love those Hippie bags!

[bozefonce]

These are some of the bags purchased from Mycrotopia. The first one is still in the FC looking better all the time, waiting for the second flush. These are the ones FOAF left in the closet for two weeks while he left out of state. There are two inoculated with Ecuador, and 2 bags inoculated with B+. The Ecuadors have colonized a tad bit faster than the B+, but all are looking mighty good. The substrate was broken up well at about 50-70 percent colonization. Literally 36 hours later they are all nearly 100 percent. The first 50% took over two weeks, the last 50% took a day and a half. The first flushes will be done invitro, the following flushes will likely be done in a fruiting chamber or spawned to bulk if FOAF can get his hands on some local poo. More pics to follow, and THANK YOU HIPPIE!

[Moose]

Those look really good! Just can't go wrong with those Hippie bags, good through and through. Keep us posted boze!

Moose

[mydarling]

glad to hear of your great results so far! can't wait to see a flush.

breaking up the substrate and redistributing the myc is key for speeding up colonization, IMO, and your work here proves it!

[Ras Asad]

very niice man!
love the sig. to!!

[Foster]

Nice growth there. Those bags have done great so far.
Very healthy looking myc . Wont be long now, you'll be doing the pin dance.
Keep us updated on progress.

[bozefonce]

Got pins today! One of the bags of Ecuador won the pin race. There's one bag of B+ that has been showing primordia for a couple days now, but no pins are visible yet (realizing that the sides of the bags are pretty fogged up now). Pics wouldn't show much at this point, but they'll come pretty soon!

[BuckarooBanzai]

I do love Hippie's supercake formula...

Nice looking bags, man.

Awaiting those harvest pics!

[Hippie3]

[masterplain88]

im thinkin i mihgt have to check em out soon.

[MLBjammer]

You should. It is well worth it, plus it helps keep Mycotopia up and running.

[BuckarooBanzai]

Get it dry and mix it up as you need it. It completely outperformed standard BRF/verm in my side by side testing.

There are so many trace ingredients in the supercake that buying it from Hip is almost cheaper - and def way easier - than making it yourself.

[weeeeeee]

nice mate very nice looking and good work on hanging them up it really helps with the FAE

[rocketman]

I could never come near equaling the quality of the Mycobags. I am always amazed when I use them, every time without exception.

[p2k1]

Im thinking of getting some mycrotopia products for invitro. I was considering using the mycromix supercake bags to fruit invitro but theyre only 3 cups while the sandbags are 24 so it seems Ill be goin with the sandbags. Anybody have experience with fruiting Hips mycrobags or sandbags? Ive searched through every post in the history and the archives

[rocketman]

I use the pancake mix in bags, and I get invitro fruit in about 2 weeks with my sandoze strain.

[p2k1]

Can you elaborate a bit there rocketman? You grow Pan Cyans invitro in his pancake bags? I searched but couldnt find anyone using the pancake bags on here can you talk about them/have any pics? You get invitro fruits 2 weeks after inoculating with spores or liquid culture? How would you say the yields compare to cubensis?
Im very interested in the pancake bags

[bozefonce]

Originally Posted by p2k1

Im thinking of getting some mycrotopia products for invitro. I was considering using the mycromix supercake bags to fruit invitro but theyre only 3 cups while the sandbags are 24 so it seems Ill be goin with the sandbags. Anybody have experience with fruiting Hips mycrobags or sandbags? Ive searched through every post in the history and the archives

This is a link to FOAF's first grow with one of Hippie's mycrobags. He did invitro on the first go, now it's in a FC with a good second flush happening.

http://forums.mycotopia.net/fungi-gr...st-advice.html (Harvest advice)

[rocketman]

I do a simple multispore innoculation of the pan cake bags. The strain is always Sandoze aka Pan Tropicalis domesticated by a member here. I know its sold by Sporeworks, but not sure if anyone else has it.

There are old threads around here somewhere when I first used the pan cake bags and was amazed I had invitro fruiting. I was told it was a very common occurance with the bags and that strain.

The way I look at it Hips been working his ass off for years coming up with the correct mixtures and methods to give his customers the very best product he can. He takes pride in it, and with good reason.

If you take my advice and try the bags you will thank me, I guarantee it.

Oh by the way, if you are into sclerotia producing strains; get some of his rye grass seed bags for the atlantis#7. I had huge stones that took up almost every inch of each bag, with my largest stone being right at 4 inches long. I let them sit for 6 months though, and that is my preffered method for increased size and potency. 3 months is the norm with the usual growers because they dont have the patience to wait, but its worth it ime.

The other thing about bags for sclerotia is you can hang them in a closet from those cheap wally world hangers. I do 2 to a hanger and they can breathe very well that way, and it allows any excess moisture to "settle" into the seed.


No pics, as I have always meant too, but never got around to it. Weak excuse I know, but its true. I wish like hell I did at least take some pics. Maybe you can take some with your grow?

[bozefonce]

Originally Posted by rocketman

I use the pancake mix in bags, and I get invitro fruit in about 2 weeks with my sandoze strain.

Nice, that's a great idea for a next project!

So here are a few pics of the best performing bags. The first few pics are one of the Ecuadors. The other EC has colonized fully but have yet to see pins. The last pic is the best performing B+ with some pretty good primordia but no real pins visible yet. All bags were inoculated the same evening on 7/31 so this is not quite 30 days later. Not bad!

[Hippie3]

are you doing air exchanges?
those filter patches don't really breathe well on their own,
and the spawn bags aren't really optimized for invitro performance-
you'd want our sandbags for a really massive invitro yield.

[bozefonce]

Originally Posted by Hippie3

are you doing air exchanges?
those filter patches don't really breathe well on their own,
and the spawn bags aren't really optimized for invitro performance-
you'd want our sandbags for a really massive invitro yield.

Nothing active like squeezing or anything. The air moves very slowly with squeezing and there's a concern about damaging mycelium or pins/shrooms. What's the best FAE method with the bags, just squeeze?

[bozefonce]

You know what? Duh. Those bags are fully colonized. There should be no worries about cutting a slit in the top of the bag and doing FAE and then taping over with duct tape until the next exchange. Am I right?
Such a noob.

EDIT

Putting in some pics. A 2-3" slit is all that should be necessary, makes it much easier and faster to effect the FAE and then seal back up with a strip of Duct Tape. Fold the tape over at one end so it's easier to peel back for subsequent exchanges. Thanks for the nudge, Hippie, don't know if this would have come up on its own.

Such lovely pins!

[BuckarooBanzai]

Light and a drop in CO2 concentration trigger pinning.

Don't stop doing FAE once pins show. Mushrooms grow faster and healthier with a little fresh air.

You can fruit invitro in a spawn bag without doing any manual FAE, but it takes a lot longer to get fruit.

[bozefonce]

Dude, one of the EC bags is taking off like a mofo. The second EC bag is showing active pinning now, but still a couple days behind the first. The B+ look like they're on the verge, but if there are any pins, they're somewhere that they're not easily seen until they get big enough to show through the bag. I think the EC strain is gonna become a fave for this kinda thing.

[BuckarooBanzai]

Happy pin dance!

Congrats, man. Just keep doing exactly what you were doing and wait for them to mature!

[Hippie3]

[bozefonce]

FOAF just harvested this chubby boomer off the leading EC bag. Damn thing was seriously ahead of the rest, so he decided to slit the bag and carefully extract it then sealed the bag up to finish the harvest tomorrow most likely.

Just cobbled together a stir plate with a computer fan, some wooden paddleball paddles, an old power adapter, and lotsa hot glue, very ghetto. He got into the glove box with a jar of Karo LC and tore out a lil' chunk of material from the center of the stipe, cracked the LC jar a teeny bit and dropped it in. Now the jar's vibrating away on the stir plate. Yes, the stir bar is a little bit small for the job, and the thing vibrates more than it spins, but there's a noticeable pattern of standing waves on the surface of the LC and it's spinning a bit lazily. Might not be quite as vigorous as it could be, but better than shaking it up every few hours, hopefully. Hoping for no contams, as he's not extremely sure that his efforts at creating clean conditions will be sufficient. First time for everything, ya know.

FOAF is hoping to colonize some WBS or popcorn with it and attempting his first bulk spawn to poo.

IT ALL STARTED WITH A HIPPIE BAG!

Dude, this is awesome, send us vibes!!

Now that I look at it, that abort at the base of the shroom looks an awful lot like....

Never mind.

BTW, that boomer alone weighs 18.5g, not too shabby!

[Workman]

Originally Posted by rocketman

I do a simple multispore innoculation of the pan cake bags. The strain is always Sandoze aka Pan Tropicalis domesticated by a member here.

I misidentifed the species on the Sandoze. Its actually Panaeolus cambodginiensis. Sorry for the confusion but the published descriptions are not great. I have yet to see a convincing example of P. tropicalis so all strains circulating under that name are suspect.

[bozefonce]

Originally Posted by Workman

I misidentifed the species on the Sandoze. Its actually Panaeolus cambodginiensis. Sorry for the confusion but the published descriptions are not great. I have yet to see a convincing example of P. tropicalis so all strains circulating under that name are suspect.

It's an honor to have you post in my thread, Workman! Gonna have to try the Pans sometime soon...

[bozefonce]

So here's an interesting phenomenon. 2 bags inoculated at the same time, same syringe, same volume of inoc, same source for the substrate, same incubation, basically everything identical, but one bag is way, way ahead of the other. Is this a common occurrence? What might cause it? The only thing I can think of is that the syringe wasn't really agitated prior to inoculation, so one bag might have gotten a larger quantity of spores than the other.

Looks like the one is pretty much ready for harvest, the largest shrooms are starting to discolor. Is it advisable in an invitro grow to harvest a little at a time, or get it over with and then start the second flush?

[Hippie3]

the syringe wasn't really agitated prior to inoculation , so one bag might have gotten a larger quantity of spores than the other.

possibly, i've had it happen when i forget to shake it up good.

s it advisable in an invitro grow to harvest a little at a time, or get it over with and then start the second flush?

it doesn't really 'flush'
instead you get them more or less contantly
so it kinda depends on your schedule-
you can leave them invitro and get huge fruits too
so no need to rush
but also if you want to bio-assay a sample
pick off the bigguns.

[bozefonce]

Originally Posted by Hippie3

it doesn't really 'flush'
instead you get them more or less contantly
so it kinda depends on your schedule-
you can leave them invitro and get huge fruits too
so no need to rush
but also if you want to bio-assay a sample
pick off the bigguns.

Ah, now that's a very good way to go about things!

I saw in another thread that you suggested cutting off just the cap while other fruits continued to grow. I think he was fruiting PF cakes in a FC, but apparently the cap is the primary source of trouble for rot. Time to print!

As always, a pleasure to be at the receiving end of this wealth of experience!

[rocketman]

Originally Posted by Workman

I misidentifed the species on the Sandoze. Its actually Panaeolus cambodginiensis. Sorry for the confusion but the published descriptions are not great. I have yet to see a convincing example of P. tropicalis so all strains circulating under that name are suspect.

So to clarify: we went from pan cyan, to pan tropicalis, to pan sandoze aka pan cambo? yes no?

[Hippie3]

pan cambo is pan cyan methinks...

[Sidestreet Getaway]

Good job, bozefonce. Glad to see you enjoying all this so much.

[rocketman]

Originally Posted by Hippie3

pan cambo is pan cyan methinks...

Apologies for the confusion, but the main point is that strain from sandoze aka 7 is awesome ime. Combined with your pan cake bags, it is truly a beautiful thing.

I will stand by that combination any day!

[bozefonce]

Over 65 grams of EC harvested from the main producing bag so far, a good size dose for one or two 'nauts depending on level of experience. 2 caps in the glovebox for prints, one chunk being cloned in the LC jar, lots more left in the bag, still counting!

Originally Posted by Sidestreet Getaway

Good job, bozefonce. Glad to see you enjoying all this so much.

Oh, you have no idea! Maybe you do.... lol... thanks!

[bozefonce]

The EC bags continue to offer consistent bigguns, and FOAF is drying them as they come out.

The B+ bags are now chock full of magickle shroominess, as displayed in the following pics, side A and Side B for both bags. The specimens drying in the 3rd pic are mostly EC, but the 2 on the left are the first B+ pulled out yesterday.

These 4 bags have proven to be quite a bonanza for their size, and so easy!

[threesixty]

Originally Posted by bozefonce

The EC bags continue to offer consistent bigguns, and FOAF is drying them as they come out.

The B+ bags are now chock full of magickle shroominess, as displayed in the following pics, side A and Side B for both bags. The specimens drying in the 3rd pic are mostly EC, but the 2 on the left are the first B+ pulled out yesterday.

These 4 bags have proven to be quite a bonanza for their size, and so easy!

Damn boze, you got some fat ahsses in those b+ bags. They sure look happy to me!

[bozefonce]

Originally Posted by threesixty

Damn boze, you got some fat ahsses in those b+ bags. They sure look happy to me!

Thanks!

Tellin' ya dude, for easy invitro, Hip's bags have sure been good to FOAF. He's the total noob and hasn't had a contam yet.

Tomorrow I'll post a couple pics of the cake from his very first bag. He's got it in a FC and it's on its 3rd flush right now after a scary chlorine dip that was poorly executed (too strong, too long) but the cake has performed very well in spite of the abuse.

[BuckarooBanzai]

The supercake formula is the shizzle, for sure.

You can get excellent results fruiting in spawn bags (I do it myself). No need for terrariums and misting and Perlite and all that.

I don't know why more folks don't do invitro and/or spawn bag grows. For beginners and people with small needs, bag growing is really ideal. No need to spend big bucks on equipment...

Below is a small spawn bag (from Sporeworks) fruiting a BB-Nug invitro. It took almost 6 weeks to finish because the bag was never opened until harvest (no FAE except the filter patch). All the mushrooms that came out were clean and ready for printing/cloning. It is very easy to clone when the whole fruit body is sterile!


Spawn bag (BB-Nug is sitting in the middle):



Spawn bag cut away. The nug is totally obscured by fruit! Boo-ya!:


More folks should order Hippie's supercake bags and fruit invitro!

[bozefonce]

This is a pic of FOAF's first ever Hippie Bag supercake, now on its third flush. The first was invitro, then the cake was removed and allowed to fruit in the FC. Second flush was quite respectable, and you can see that now it's well on the way to some nice fruits following a good dunk.

[bozefonce]

The continuing saga of the Hippie Bags.

These are two mycrobag cakes inoculated with Ecuador. The first invitro flush yielded about 110g wet between the two of them, though one bag put out more than half of that. Now you can see both cakes after a good cleanup, dunk and DEC with verm/coir. The myc is growing through the casing and one cake has already got a very nice pinset. The other cake is knotting up and should see primordia and pins very soon.

After seeing the first cake (Z strain) flush a couple times without being cased, I think the casing is helping out quite a bit at keeping things moist. First cake dried up on the third flush even after a good dunk, and is probably going into the compost pile pretty soon. That's the one that was dipped in strong chlorine, so it may have shortened the lifespan of the myc. Still did pretty well.

Last two pics are a couple bags of B+ that have also been producing well lately. They colonized a tad later than the Ecuador bags, but have been giving very nice, meaty fruits considering the invitro conditions. They'll go DEC and FC pretty soon too.

Still waiting on some WBS jars to colonize so we can do some bulk growing. Got poop in the garage and lotsa coir and verm. Things are gettin' interesting!

[Leftover Salmon]

Good shit Boze. I have thoroughly enjoyed this thread and am most def contemplating experimenting with some of those bags. Thanks for sharing and good luck with your WBS bulk future harvests!!

[BuckarooBanzai]

Hell yeah, man!

Hip's products are givers, that is for sure. Props for keeping them contam free.

[bozefonce]

Originally Posted by Leftover Salmon

Good shit Boze. I have thoroughly enjoyed this thread and am most def contemplating experimenting with some of those bags. Thanks for sharing and good luck with your WBS bulk future harvests!!

Thanks, Salmon, glad you´ve enjoyed the show! I don´t claim to be anywhere near the best, but it´s a testament to the formulation of Hip´s substrate that they can be so easy to use. I highly recommend them.

Originally Posted by BuckarooBanzai

Hell yeah, man!

Hip's products are givers, that is for sure. Props for keeping them contam free.

And thank you, Buck, you´ve been a huge influence on these successes and hopefully some future projects will benefit from all the knowledge you pass on.

[bozefonce]

And, to round out the thread, I´m gonna post the last few pics for this topic. I could post more in the future I suppose, but we may have reached the point where it´s kinda repetitive. These pics are the first FC harvest on one of the Ecuadorean cakes, and the last invitro harvest on the B+ cakes. The B+ were still producing a lot of pins, but it seems like many of them had aborted and began to rot, so it was a better idea to take them out, clean 'em up, dunk and DEC them to the FC. The fat shroom on the green cutting mat weighed 20 grams, and as you can see from the last pic, it's been torn open to make a clone in an LC (inside the glovebox, not shown). The last pic also has the B+ that were harvested, respectable in size but not as big as the EC. Both the B+ and the EC will be printed later on with subsequent flushes.


Edit: OK, I lied, one more pic of the 4 brotherly Hippie cakes reposing in the FC waiting for their moment to shine. The 2 newest ones were DEC'd more recently, so the myc isn't showing on them, whereas the 2 that have been there more time are growing through. There's an additional amount of verm mixed with the coir on this second set of cakes, I thought that might slow down the myc growth through the casing and provide more moisture for a longer time. We shall see.