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Old 08-21-09, 13:08   #1 (permalink)
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1st Flush Dried and Bagged/Four 90-quart tubs of Hpoo

Just thought I'd throw up some pics of the final fruits of the first flush of some hpoo bulk tubs at a friends.

(here's the link to the original grow http://forums.mycotopia.net/fungi-gr...-fruiting.html (Bulk Hpoo tubs fruiting) )

Not sure if my friend is gonna try to dunk, or just case the tubs for the remaining flushes....or both (think she's leaning on both).





The last pic is four 1/4 pound bags (notice the 4.070 OZ. of one of the bags on the scale...and she knows not to leave them broken up in separate bags...they're all together in one bag for, err, safety sake).
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Nice job!


Did you case those subs with coir/verm in addition to using both in your sub?
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No casing layer was used on this first flush.

My friend is sorta waiting for a few remaining booms to fruit completely, let the tubs chill for a day or two, then most likely attempt a bulk dunk (if applicable) and a casing of 50/50 coir/verm.

My friend has 4 tubs of straw/poo that she didn't case either, but they aren't doing so hot.

She will be applying a mass casing to all tubs very soon...and I have a good feeling things will be good.
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Very nice job on those! One flush lbers are nice why do you think you had so many aborts?
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Well to be honest with you, there were very few aborts in this collection.

My friend tends to pick boomers just before the caps peel back and the veil breaks, as she feels this is an optimal time for potency to pick.

There were a few traditional aborts, but I attribute this to the fact that the spawn was generated through multispore syringes.
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Very nice grow! That stash should last you a while, congrats!

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Thanks buddy!

We've dosed twice with these, and even with a 1.8 gram trip, things were rockin pretty steady.
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The last pic is four 1/4 pound bags
Are plastic bags the best way to store?
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If the fruits are cracker dry, storing them in a plastic bag works. Keep it in a cool, dark place, preferably in a larger container with a dessicant pack or two--to keep things nice and dry. I think they lose a little potency after a long while, but I have tripped hard on shrooms stored this way for over a year.

I have also kept chocolates for up to a year, and they were still good.

Here's a thread all about storing shrooms: http://forums.mycotopia.net/harvesti...d-mushies.html (Best storage method for dried mushies)

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Desiccant packets, often found inside a new pair of shoes, are a great way to keep the boomers dry over the long haul (nice recommendation Jammer ).

A quick jaunt down to your favorite box store's shoe department can yield at least a few packets.

I used to work at Payless Shoes back in the day, and there were always random packets of desiccant scattered all over the store, no matter how many I picked up...so they won't likely be missed.

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Well my friend has started to rethink how she has been storing her tubs, and recently made a major shift in the room she's storing them in.

She originally had all the tubs stacked neatly next to each other, for what she thought would be an out of the way, easy to work with space.

It turns out that the tubs were not getting the right amount of FAE and ambient sunlight (some of the boomers were stringy and thin, others were growing shorter and stopping).

Well after 3 days of spreading the tubs out, at varying levels to promote even air flow/light, the boomers have just freaking exploded in size.

She's currently taking spore prints of 11 of the biggest...and the prints are just insanely dark purple and beautiful.

Two words for recommended spores for those who are on the fence, trying to make a decision as to "what should I work with next?".....

SOUTH AMERICAN.

***NOTE: any unusual purple or reddish looking parts in these tubs is due to camera error!***
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Old 08-23-09, 13:35   #15 (permalink)
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Good Job! Those are really nice looking. Quick question, are you using an external source of humidity or are you merely relying upon the moisture in the substrate cake? I am a total newb to mycology so plz excuse my ignorance. I am just trying to get a handle of how your particular grow was set up/fruiting chamber... Thanks in advance.
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Usually when I fan the tubs, I take a spray bottle of water and mist the sides of the container...I usually go around the sides twice.

It's probably not necessary, but the boomers take up a lotta water when they get bigger, so it's gotta get replaced somehow.

The only thing you have to watch out for is letting water pool at the bottom of the tub...which can lead to contams.

This is why using the garbage bag works so nicely.

It prevents side-pinning, and provides a buffer from the bottom getting exposed to too much water.
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What a beautiful sight that is funny1. Please tell her I said .
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Thanks for the speedy response! So side pinning is to be avoided?
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hmm, well that's an interesting question....

At this point with the tubs, the side-pins have adequate room to grow outward without much problem.

When you first 'birth' the tubs after incubation, however, side or bottom pinning can produce mushrooms that are pressed hard against the side of the tub, deforming an otherwise potentially nice looking mushroom.

This isn't really a 'problem' per se, as a mushroom is a mushroom when it all comes down to it.

You eventually have to try and pluck side/bottom grown mushrooms, however, if at anything, to prevent them from molding and causing contam problems.

It's at this point, trying to pick and get-at mushrooms that are growing on the bottom/side of your substrate, that is the problem....or maybe better said...a challenge.

Many prefer to not 'waste' the nutrients of mushroom production on these PITA side/bottom produced boomers, and instead force top-side pinning.

After you've birthed your incubated tubs, and fruited out a few flushes of mushrooms, you'll notice the substrate starts to 'shrink', as nutrients have been used, and the substrate starts to naturally dry out.

It's at this time, when the substrate pulls away from the sides of the tub, I've found that pulling away the garbage bag material from the sides of the substrate allows for some really awesome, and at this point, easier to pick side-pinnning mushrooms.

Hope that makes some sense.

Btw, sorry for all the run-on sentences.
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Pretty pictures, Funny. SA puts out some absolute honkers, one of the best cubie strains.

Wonderful work on the tubs.
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hmm, well that's an interesting question....

At this point with the tubs, the side-pins have adequate room to grow outward without much problem.

When you first 'birth' the tubs after incubation, however, side or bottom pinning can produce mushrooms that are pressed hard against the side of the tub, deforming an otherwise potentially nice looking mushroom.

This isn't really a 'problem' per se, as a mushroom is a mushroom when it all comes down to it.

You eventually have to try and pluck side/bottom grown mushrooms, however, if at anything, to prevent them from molding and causing contam problems.

It's at this point, trying to pick and get-at mushrooms that are growing on the bottom/side of your substrate, that is the problem....or maybe better said...a challenge.

Many prefer to not 'waste' the nutrients of mushroom production on these PITA side/bottom produced boomers, and instead force top-side pinning.

After you've birthed your incubated tubs, and fruited out a few flushes of mushrooms, you'll notice the substrate starts to 'shrink', as nutrients have been used, and the substrate starts to naturally dry out.

It's at this time, when the substrate pulls away from the sides of the tub, I've found that pulling away the garbage bag material from the sides of the substrate allows for some really awesome, and at this point, easier to pick side-pinnning mushrooms.

Hope that makes some sense.

Btw, sorry for all the run-on sentences.
Thank you for all the killer info! Swim is fixin to start his first production and wants to cover all bases before doing so. Swim just wants everything to go well and not waste his time with beginner mistakes. Thanks again and I hope I wasn't to much of a bother...
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Salmon, have you read this thread: http://forums.mycotopia.net/fungi-gr...notub-tek.html (Sandman's No-Filter Monotub Tek)

It doesn't get much easier than that. Peace.
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Hey thanks a lot Jammer and MrChen!

You two have brought a lotta good knowledge to my table, and I appreciate it.

And absolutely no problem at all Leftover Salmon...any useful advice you can glean from the pages of Mycotopia, and in turn make work in the real world, is freaking awesome.

This kinda knowledge isn't often shared in the real world (or else everyone would study mycology).

It's cool when people from all over the world can come together to share this often clandestine info in a friendly, nonjudgmental, and mutually beneficial environment.

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Changing up the FAE and allowing for better air flow, and in turn better light, really blew this thing up.

My friend recently starting printing some of the bigger caps...14 so far (pics below).

Also included are some pics of the bigger South American/Ecuadorian hybrids that needed to be picked.
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Salmon, have you read this thread: http://forums.mycotopia.net/fungi-gr...notub-tek.html (Sandman's No-Filter Monotub Tek)

It doesn't get much easier than that. Peace.
Thanks Brother Jammer! That tek almost seems to good to be true. Nice to know that there is such an easy route to take. There are so many different avenues in this hobby; one can easily get overwhelmed. . . The Sandman tek appears to be a perfect starting point for a newbo like myself. Now anybody have a type of Cube they would reccomend a newb start with? I been hearing maybe S.A.'s, B+, or GT Waddya think? (Sorry to hijack yer thread Funny) Thanks again folk.
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no worries, I'd recommended Ecuadorian, SA's, and Golden Teachers....that's what's in the pics above.
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Nice grow! You have a nice pile 'o' shrooms to start munching on there.

I like GT's myself as far as a favorite but they are all good. GT was the first strain I ever tried to grow and it grew flawlessly for me and was very potent. I personally like them better than B+. Another strain I have to come to fall in love with as of late is Ecuador. They seem to be a really visual mushroom for me.
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Right on, yea I really enjoy shrooms that provide a good visual experience, but I also really enjoy a good body high... So anything with that combo is a winner in my book!
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These South American boomers are just amazing.

The biggest canopy's and thickest stalks I've seen in a long while.
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Just another pic update of some large specimens of my friends harvest this morning.
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Sandman's monotub tek is good for any level of growers. Puts out two flushes without doing anything. If you look at My Darling's grow log thread that's attached, she puts more work into the process--and I think she gets five or six flushes.

Funny, thank you for the kind words. Those prints look phattttttt . . .
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Those fuckin caps look like white castle buns!
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Thanks Chip...I've learned a lot from your posts.

Here are some more shameless pics of the drying/printing processes.

The picture of the big tub is my friends 'glovebox', with 14 jars of spore prints drying out (3 hours after putting them in there, and they're almost dry).
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Ok here I go again with the newb questions.... Is there any particular reason as to why you make your prints inside of mason jars?
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Not really, in fact, many would say this method is more cumbersome and more work then need be.

It's just the way my friend has always made spores.

The sealed container makes it humid enough for the spores to wanna drop onto the foil, yet it's sterile because the jars are wiped with alcohol and sealed with the top.

My friend puts a piece of micropore tape over the inoculation hole to allow for filtered air exchange (probably not necessary). After 24 hours, most of the spores that are there have dropped, so she takes a scalpel, pokes the mushroom cap in the middle, and gently pulls the cap up.

After that, she puts the jars in a clean glovebox with the lids off the jars, so the prints (which are usually very wet) dry out in a sterile environment. After about 12 hours or less, they're usually completely dry, and ready for storage.

I file this method under the "if it aint broke, don't fix it" category.

I've used prints made this way three years later in past experiments, and as long as you rehydrate the spores (by letting them sit a day or two in sterile syringes of distilled water), they're completely viable and ready to make some mycelium.

The prints my friend has made with this method (27 so far) are just insanely dark purple and thick...there's actually noticeable build-up on the foil...it's pretty cool.

Hippie3 has some cool posts on spore printing...my memory fails me as to where they are in the vaults, but check his out if you can find them.

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Studying posts by you, Chip, MrChen, Mystic, Dial8, GadgetGuy, etc have given me so many new ideas and directions to go in....not to mention inspiration with your successes.

I've probably studied the posts on Mycotopia with greater detail and vigor than I did for any course back in college (except for a great psych class called Intro to Human Sexuality....enuf said there...hehe).
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Thanks for the mention in this post. I'm not sure how I could have inspired you but I'm glad I did. Your grow turned out beautiful and I envy your success.

Good work Funny1!
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Inspiration can be found through even the simplest observations of others.

Sometimes it just takes a different perspective.

I know posts that you, and the others I've mentioned, have helped me see things in a more concise light.

As the footer at the end of all my posts explains, you really find out how little you know, the more you learn.

I sat back and really had a LOL moment tonight.

Looking down at this gigantic fan my friend has for drying these mushrooms, I found it comical that we were scrambling to find as many containers as possible to put all these boomers into, to facilitate the drying process.

Can't help but think this success wouldn't be possible without the efforts of so many who have paved my path towards knowledge and understanding with such clarity...namely, my fellow Mycotopians.
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A Final Update...

My friend recently completed the drying process...and wow, awesome final results:

2 Pounds


Thank you for all the comments...my friend appreciates the feedback.

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That is an unbelievable grow, man. At least you are set for the weekend!

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how much spawn and sub did you use and how thick was your substrate layer in your tubs.? didnt really see that any were in the thread and i got some going right now and i was kinda woundering what the average would be.
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3 inches + is a good depth to go for.

The more sub, the larger the shrooms, but also greater the risk of possible contams if put together and maintained incorrectly.

The above setup was 3 and 1/2 inches.
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That is an unbelievable grow, man. At least you are set for the weekend!


It'll be close, but I might just make it to Monday before we run out...haha.
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