kinda a big question i gues idk

[masterplain88]

so im looking for a few new strains to trart with because i always do a few at once so so far i amd doing tly for sure i think im going to do redboy. and i have a huge list from wen i looked at Ralrhstersspores i can decide on what to do nex any segestions would be nice.
so i found:
1.Ban Hua Thanon
2.BanThurian
3.Hanoi Vietnam
4.KOH Samui forsure
5.KSSS for sure
6.Malabar
7.Mex Dutch King
8.PE6
9.T3
10. Thia mystery
11. us virgin islands for sure just cause
12.Z strain.

maybe some pans:
pan BAn saket
Pan Suphaburi
pan florida
p. cyanofriscosa

just so many to choose from its so hard to make a choice im thinking about doing a few at once. idk yet.

any input on straind would be nice
thanks,
peace


masterplain88

[Beastmaster]

A cube's a cube, for the most part, though appearances can be deceiving.

IMHO, once you've got your mycology skills lined up, start exploring the other species that are out there (rather than just playing around within the substrains of one species):

• If you like playing with poo, then there's all the panaeolus species.
• If you'd like to try woodlovers, well there's quite the variety to choose from these days.
• There's also sclerotia producers, which I'm fond of.
• Also, don't forget the even broader category of non-psychedelic mushrooms, edibles and medicinals.

Another idea would be to, rather than grow a wide variety of species, find one that you really like and start a large project of developing your own isolated strain, which is where the real mycological magic happens, as that's how we got all these cubes to begin with...

[Irishlion]

Originally Posted by Beastmaster

A cube's a cube, for the most part, though appearances can be deceiving.

Sorry beasty but, I must respectfully disagree with that I will explain why, I personally don't believe a cube is a cube, I don't think GT's give a trip anything like the Lipa yais or the Lipa yais anything like the PE, Honestly I think that each strain has its own unique alkaliod profile mean contents of each alklaiod resulting in a particular trip for that strain. Like for instance, how the Thai strains give great visuals with very lil body load and B+ has decent visuals with a High body load.

Now with reguards to potency a cube is a cube doesn't sit well with me as I know with most cubes you can say well I can eat 7 grams of any cube and trip like such and such, But, with that 7 grams and per strain each strains trip will be different and unique to the the other some strains give supurb visuals while other very little, there are also, many factors that can play into potency and such but, like i said each strains trip is unique so IMHO the statement "a cube is a cube" is not correct, but, there again I say this based om my personal experinces.


Now masterplain88
1.Ban Hua Thanon
2.BanThurian
3.Hanoi Vietnam
4.KOH Samui forsure
5.KSSS for sure

All those are for sure great visual strains with lil body load, and great noob strains or great strains for the inexpereinced, they also are very aggressive and quite resistant to contamns.

Until you have some expereince I wouldn't try the PE as since it takes so long to colonize and so long to fruit, it can contamn quite easliy, not that its a "HARD" strain to grow but, since it takes so long to colonize it leaves a greater window for contamns and failure which can be dishearting for the inexpereinced grower.

[BuckarooBanzai]

I'm in the "a cube is a cube" category.

I've noted very little difference between them and I have, time and again, been unable to positively identify my own strains from the high alone. I have done a number of double blind experiments where my wife picks a strain for me from one of four lettered pill bottles. The mushrooms are dried, ground and encapsulated - no visual cues at all.

She doesn't know what she's giving me (she picks a letter) and I don't know what I'm taking (she doesn't tell me the letter). This isn't technically a true double blind because I prepared the lettered bottles, but it is close enough for government work.

The only strain I've been able to ID with any degree of statistically relevant frequency is PE. Other than that, I run about a 25%-50% chance of getting it correct - I'm wrong more often than I'm right. I think my guess percentages would be even lower if it was a 1 in 6 (or 1 in 10) selection base.

Another problem I have is the generalization the B+ is more body and less visual. I've found B+ to be quite extremely visual; next to Hillbilly, I've eaten my B+ the most often - love 'em.

[warriorsoul]

The PE strains are a little more potent than others, also PE6 is a very aggressive.., this is because it is a hybrid with the Texan strain.

Here is a cool article on The origins of the PE mushroom.
http://www.viceland.com/int/v16n2/ht...ch-shroomc.php



The PE mutation was caused by regular UV-B black lights.

[Dr-Octagon]

I personally dont feel that a cube is a cube. There is a notable difference from say a pesa and a koh samui. A night and day difference.

I dont just consider strength. Trip quality is very important. Pesa is very relaxing to me where as the the koh samui can be very over the top and even make me depressed or paranoid.


Every strain i've tried had had it's own characteristics. Incidentaly my list would only include:

Pesh
Koh samui
Lipa Yai
Pesa

[wildburr]

I dont believe the cube is a cube theory either. I have had very different trips from different substrains myself. Personally I like the Orissa India and Taz for good visuals but the Taz has much less of a body load than the Orissa for example.

[masterplain88]

yea i am looking to get into atleat one strain that will blow my mind as a growing experience and a trip. my skill level is not hight but i can manage to grow PE's or PE6 are they worth the labor in the end.
thanks,
masterplain

[TastyBeverage]

PE6 are easier to grow than PE but i can't comment on the trip.

It would be rather neat if you did some strains from all over the world and then gave us a compare/contrast. You've already got a thai strain and the virgin islands lined up, how about transkei from south africa and maybe a north american and a south american strain?

[masterplain88]

i tell you what tasty help me with that a few strains from all over the world right now i have palenque,amazon,bpk,tly in syringe redboy print coming.
my next line up is tly, redboy, and anybody welcome to help with the around the would repoert enter a starin. S.A and other will be next i just need more ideas. thanks tasty
peace,
masterplain88

[TastyBeverage]

Someone just offered up a transkei print in the free print thread.

[TVCasualty]

I worked with two strains for a long time; PFC (PF Classic) and South American. I got the PFC strain when I ordered a syringe from PF's original ad in the back of High Times in 1995, then I got the SA syringe in 2001 (so I guess I've worked with PFC for 14 years, SA for 10). I got to know them both very well, and over time I'd carefully selected which caps to print for the next generation and I almost never grew isolates so I've grown many generations of each.

I think they can be different in the same way buds can be different even though the plants may have come from seeds from the same mother (for example). The differences usually aren't startling, but some distinctions can be made among the phenotypes that mostly involve colonization rates and yield.

With PFC, I almost always grew it on cakes and I almost always grew SA in trays of WBS or coir/castings. I selected large clusters and fast colonization rates for my spore print candidates and after years of my half-blind breeding program and careful record keeping I found that each strain is indeed better suited to one or the other grow methods; PFC kicks ass on cakes (yield-wise) but my SA isn't a good performer on them at all whereas my SA kicks ass on trays and bulk (yield wise) but the PFC takes a lot longer in trays though oddly enough the yield was still higher than SA. Gram for gram, PFC potency is also slightly higher than the SA's as tested repeatedly by 5 or 6 people over time. Two grams of PFC aborts sent several people to the moon but two grams of SA aborts only got us all to geosynchronous orbit, and that was repeated on several occasions but still only qualifies as anecdotal.

My own conclusion about all this is that the importance of strain selection is mostly concerned with how you are growing them out, and then it's only relevant if you stick with a strain and print carefully selected caps for at least several generations. If nothing else, it acclimatizes a strain to the growing conditions you're able to provide, so you and your strain sort of become a team after a while; my yields grew significantly over time, but I'd always used the same strains and substrate mix ingredients (though I hardly ever actually measured out how much of each I was using).

So, if I grew my SA strain on cakes, I'd get a disappointing yield but when I shoot some PFC into BRF pint jars they give me 11-14 dry grams per jar (and that's full pints, not half-pints). That's a lot better than the SA's, but my SA's give me full canopies of caps in trays every time whereas PFC doesn't.

I guess all this just means we should pay close attention to our grows and which caps we print from but there won't be any Earth-shattering discoveries found among exotic substrains. IMO a cube is mostly a cube, then.