proper drying

tryptaminer · 09-22-09, 10:04

foaf was wondering if improper drying could influence potency? laid out on a screen, in a room w/ ceiling fan going on medium/high for about the past 3 days.

foaf says that they seem dry enough, but was wondering what entitles a mushroom to be "cracker dry"....

MLBjammer · 09-22-09, 10:14

You probably should put the fruits in a dessicant chamber (DampRid, silica gels, etc) for a day or so if you want to store them. If they are rubbery at all, they are not cracker dry--should break like a cracker.

If you are going to eat them, you are good.

As far as potency loss, unless you bake them in a stove at really high temps or freeze them, you should be fine.

ggod · 09-22-09, 10:39

If moisture is still in the fruit. It could mold or rot. Best to dry well for long term storage.

warriorsoul · 09-22-09, 10:44

Any water weight will lower the potency to weight percentage.

DRAGONFLY · 09-22-09, 12:00

I heard freeze drying w/ dry ice is good. And the mushroom still keeps its size. I read it off the internet..don't know if its true or not..I haven't tried it

BuckarooBanzai · 09-22-09, 12:12

I air dry for 3-4 days and then dessicant dry for storage.

Cracker dry means that any part of the mushroom you bend, stem or cap, will snap like a cracker. See also bone dry...

tryptaminer · 09-22-09, 15:25

faof says that they will crack when bent in some, but just flex in others.... thinks one more 12-16 hour fan dry will do the trick.

does anyone find that completely drying w/o a desiccant is not possible?

warriorsoul · 09-22-09, 15:52

If your relative humidity is too high, they will never dry completely.., you could put them in the oven on low for 10 minutes with the door ajar.

Om shanti · 09-22-09, 15:58

My tiny pan. cambodgiensis (which obviously are much easier to dry than fat cubes) never seem to get cracker dry no matter how much I dry them. I use a fan, and the humidity is low here. Then keep in a sealed jar with 2-3 silica gel bags. I guess there must be something else that keeps them elastic besides water. As far as I remember the cubes I have grown do become much stiffer when dry, but I wonder how much it might have to do with the thickness of stems etc.

GadgetGuy · 09-22-09, 16:04

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Originally Posted by tryptaminer

faof says that they will crack when bent in some, but just flex in others.... thinks one more 12-16 hour fan dry will do the trick.

does anyone find that completely drying w/o a desiccant is not possible?

Mine get completely cracker dry with just a fan but it is not very humid here at all. In a humid place you would probably need a dessicant chamber of some sort.

tryptaminer · 09-22-09, 17:44

not a humid environment at all... desiccant chamber would probably be way beneficial for foaf.

trying to estimate how much longer to wait... remaining water weight + remaining verm = inaccurate dosages.

trying to come up w/ a clever way to remove verm more effectively....

weiliicoyote · 09-22-09, 17:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by tryptaminer

trying to come up w/ a clever way to remove verm more effectively....

Try a clean toothbrush, it works for me

apokalypse · 09-22-09, 18:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by BuckarooBanzai

I air dry for 3-4 days and then dessicant dry for storage.

Cracker dry means that any part of the mushroom you bend, stem or cap, will snap like a cracker. See also bone dry...

+1, this is the best way to do it.

Zozo · 09-23-09, 03:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by MLBjammer

As far as potency loss, unless you bake them in a stove at really high temps or freeze them, you should be fine.

what's the problem with freezing ?
I didn't heard that low temp loss potency ? some one can explain ?

thanks in advance
zozo

MLBjammer · 09-23-09, 09:19

Freezing fresh shrooms ruptures their cellular walls and renders them a mushy, blobby mess. You can freeze them in at least 80 proof alcohol, which results in partial extraction--pickled shrooms, I guess.

Zozo · 09-23-09, 10:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by MLBjammer

Freezing fresh shrooms ruptures their cellular walls and renders them a mushy, blobby mess. You can freeze them in at least 80 proof alcohol, which results in partial extraction--pickled shrooms, I guess.

Ooo maybe I didn't understood, FOAF freez them after they are cracker dry so is it good ?

peace
zozo

tryptaminer · 09-23-09, 11:18

great advice to pass on, thanks everyone.

what part of the fungi actually contains the desired actives, the flesh?

MLBjammer · 09-23-09, 11:20

Yes, you can. I like to keep them in the fridge sealed with dessicant packs, but you can freeze cracker/bone dry shrooms.

Sorry if my comments were a bit vague.

MLBjammer · 09-23-09, 11:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by tryptaminer

great advice to pass on, thanks everyone.

what part of the fungi actually contains the desired actives, the flesh?

Yes, the fruits--caps and stems--contain the actives. Mycelium does also, but the goodies are much, much more concentrated in the fruits.

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09-22-09, 10:04	#1 (permalink)
tryptaminer mining for thought Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 93	proper drying foaf was wondering if improper drying could influence potency? laid out on a screen, in a room w/ ceiling fan going on medium/high for about the past 3 days. foaf says that they seem dry enough, but was wondering what entitles a mushroom to be "cracker dry".... __________________ Your actions speak so loudly, I can't hear what you're saying.

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warriorsoul Mr. Blue-Foot Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 1,897	Any water weight will lower the potency to weight percentage. __________________ "He findeth not who seeks his own The soul is lost that's saved alone." John Whittier

09-22-09, 12:00	#5 (permalink)
DRAGONFLY Mycophiliac Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 51	I heard freeze drying w/ dry ice is good. And the mushroom still keeps its size. I read it off the internet..don't know if its true or not..I haven't tried it __________________ Teonanacatl

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BuckarooBanzai Prone to ranting... Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 6,050	I air dry for 3-4 days and then dessicant dry for storage. Cracker dry means that any part of the mushroom you bend, stem or cap, will snap like a cracker. See also bone dry... __________________ Banzai Institute for Higher Education (a collection of growing Teks & threads)

09-22-09, 10:14	#2 (permalink)
MLBjammer Addicted to Invitro Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,877	You probably should put the fruits in a dessicant chamber (DampRid, silica gels, etc) for a day or so if you want to store them. If they are rubbery at all, they are not cracker dry--should break like a cracker. If you are going to eat them, you are good. As far as potency loss, unless you bake them in a stove at really high temps or freeze them, you should be fine.

09-22-09, 10:39	#3 (permalink)
ggod MycoAddict Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 318	If moisture is still in the fruit. It could mold or rot. Best to dry well for long term storage.

09-22-09, 15:25	#7 (permalink)
tryptaminer mining for thought Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 93	faof says that they will crack when bent in some, but just flex in others.... thinks one more 12-16 hour fan dry will do the trick. does anyone find that completely drying w/o a desiccant is not possible? __________________ Your actions speak so loudly, I can't hear what you're saying.

09-22-09, 15:52	#8 (permalink)
warriorsoul Mr. Blue-Foot Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 1,897	If your relative humidity is too high, they will never dry completely.., you could put them in the oven on low for 10 minutes with the door ajar. __________________ "He findeth not who seeks his own The soul is lost that's saved alone." John Whittier

09-22-09, 15:58	#9 (permalink)
Om shanti S.W.I.M. in H.POO Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,297	My tiny pan. cambodgiensis (which obviously are much easier to dry than fat cubes) never seem to get cracker dry no matter how much I dry them. I use a fan, and the humidity is low here. Then keep in a sealed jar with 2-3 silica gel bags. I guess there must be something else that keeps them elastic besides water. As far as I remember the cubes I have grown do become much stiffer when dry, but I wonder how much it might have to do with the thickness of stems etc. __________________ The most important thing is to find out what is the most important thing.-S. Suzuki

09-22-09, 17:44	#11 (permalink)
tryptaminer mining for thought Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 93	not a humid environment at all... desiccant chamber would probably be way beneficial for foaf. trying to estimate how much longer to wait... remaining water weight + remaining verm = inaccurate dosages. trying to come up w/ a clever way to remove verm more effectively.... __________________ Your actions speak so loudly, I can't hear what you're saying.

09-23-09, 09:19	#15 (permalink)
MLBjammer Addicted to Invitro Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,877	Freezing fresh shrooms ruptures their cellular walls and renders them a mushy, blobby mess. You can freeze them in at least 80 proof alcohol, which results in partial extraction--pickled shrooms, I guess.

09-23-09, 11:18	#17 (permalink)
tryptaminer mining for thought Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 93	great advice to pass on, thanks everyone. what part of the fungi actually contains the desired actives, the flesh? __________________ Your actions speak so loudly, I can't hear what you're saying.

09-23-09, 11:20	#18 (permalink)
MLBjammer Addicted to Invitro Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,877	Yes, you can. I like to keep them in the fridge sealed with dessicant packs, but you can freeze cracker/bone dry shrooms. Sorry if my comments were a bit vague.

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