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Old 09-27-09, 12:56   #1 (permalink)
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120 pf cakes, z and brazilian

I would like to start a new thread. I knocked up 120 pf jars with zstrain and brazilians thursday night.. 60 of each. Spores have germinated and Mycelium is starting to grow and will probably be fully colonized within 10 days or so.(wow Im a poet and didnt know it!) I am so excited!! Pics will come as things progress. I am running these strains side by side to see the differences in colonization time, speed of pinning and the total weight. I know they are multispore innoculations but it will be cool. Substrate consisted of COARSE VERM, fine verm, brf, wbs flour, flax flour and water. I cant wait! Its gonna be a spooky halloween if I can help it! PLUR...
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Old 09-27-09, 13:02   #2 (permalink)
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good luck, that's plenty jars to noc, but time well spent in the end i'm sure.

good timing for halloween
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Old 09-27-09, 13:04   #3 (permalink)
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Sounds pretty sweet man! Planning on fruiting individual cakes, or spawning to some tubs? That many jars could easily produce some pounds in tubs if you want to stock up for the winter... Aside from the fact that bulk seems to have slightly less in terms of maintenance when compared to cakes. A few monotubs getting misted would be a lot easier to keep up with than several FCs IMO...

Either way, have fun with the grow. Already sounds like you put the work in. Several PC runs I'm sure...
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Old 09-27-09, 13:47   #4 (permalink)
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Yea it was a little work but I got everything done in a day. I had a little help. My new PC hold 32 pf jars at once though so it only took 4 PC sessions. I was thinking of doing mono tubs but I dont have a drill or polyfill. I will fan this time but its no biggie. I can't wait to show you guys the pics of the mountains of boomers this will produce!
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That is a lot of cakes! Big monotubs would certainly be easier in terms of maintenance. Throwing good vibes your way.
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I would grind every last one of those up and do tubs, although you may not make your Halloween goal if you do that. It would be close depending on how fast your jars colonize etc. Maybe fruit like 12 of em as cakes for a harvest and use the rest for bulk.
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Old 09-27-09, 14:13   #7 (permalink)
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Yea thats the only reason I did this tek, because of speed. My friends always count on me to give them boomers around halloween. I innoculated on the 25th of sept so I am under the gun as far as things go. I would use a monotub but fanning and spraying actually gives me something to do throughout the day. I like it! If thats even possible. I dont like to risk whole tubs of substrate and spawn due to contams and I have lost several before. If I lose one pf cake then no biggie, ya dig?
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with that many jars i would do a lilttle bit of both i would do some PF style and i would crush some up and make a bulk out of like coir and warmcastings and vermiculite or somthing like that. that way you can have half of each on cakes and the other half of each in a bulk gives you caps no matter what and what better time to try a bulk follow tek to the tee and make out bigger and if not that many cakes you still make out.
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Old 09-27-09, 14:25   #9 (permalink)
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I hear ya! I will go ahead and make up some WBS jars to experiment with. I have done bulk subs before but I like the speed of PF cakes, there is nothing like it. I have fruits in 3 and a half weeks from inoculation before. I dont like having to pasturize bulk subs to be honest. I do miss seeing large tubs full of canopies of boomers though. I might give it a shot soon though!
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I pasteurize my bulk subs in a turkey tin in the oven. Easy as pie. Get to field capacity in a 5gallon bucket, dump in tin, cover with foil, put in oven at 165 for 3 hours. Good to go. When I used to do it in a pillowcase in a huge pot of water that was a pain in the ass. So much harder to get the moisture content right. Even if you just fruited 60 of those PF cakes and put the other 60 to monotubs you would end up with quite a pull off both.
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o well if that not what you looking for that i would go with one of those some what tall real long and kinda wide storage toats. i will try to look for a pic of one ther like 8-10inches tall like foot and a half to a foot wide and like 3-3.5 feet long. you could also do what i use to do i would buy those big tubs kinda tall ones and i would get these rack that had legs and were stackable well i wwould fold the legs down on the first one just perfect for it to be about 2-3 inches from the perlite then i would fold the legs out on the next one and the tubs would be tall enought to do 3 total the botom middle and top.run fishtank bubbler for perfect FAE.
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120 pf cakes.....That brings back memories. Quite a workload.
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i cant wait to see 120 pk cakes fruiting. Good luck
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i cant wait to see 120 pk cakes fruiting. Good luck

I hear that man! Me too!! LOL

It wasn't that bad actually. The workload I mean. I enjoy doing it. Its fullproof, its the absolute quickest way to get fruits. They way I see it, fruits are fruits, right? Im trying to figure out the amount of hand movements I actually made making these up. Here is a little math for that ass! LOL

12 stacks of 10 lids to drill holes in X 4 holes per lid = 48
120 jars to fill and level off =120
120 times I filled the verm layer =120
120 times I put lids on =120
120 pieces of foil I cut =120
120 jars I put in the PC =120
120 jars I took out of the PC and into the incubator=120
120 jars I took out of the incubator to shoot up =120
4 holes per jar I innoculated via a 12ml syringe =480
120 jars I put back in the incubator =120
120 jars I took out of the incubator after 100% =120
120 jar lids I opened =120
120 jars I scraped the verm layer off of the cakes =120
120 cakes I popped out of the jars =120
120 cakes I'll double end case =120
plus a few more movements I have forgotten
grand total is somewhere around "2100" individual hand movements=carpal tunnel in the long run!!!
Damn you're right, that is a lot of work!!! Can anyone say spawn bags next time around??? LOL maybe you guys are right, but I am in a rush this time around because of halloween. Always under the gun it seems! But it ought to be cool.
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LOL, I hear that! Well its either I do it and everyone has a fucking blast, or I dont and everyone is pissed off. Last year was a disaster! People were sittin around like they were at a fucking funeral! LOL. Last year I made a pact with myself to not let it happen again. Can anyone say PARTY??? Cause thats what its gonna be. Thinking about taking about a half pound dry and making a big jug of green witches brew, complete with dry ice bubbles and everything! Gonna be nutz and I hope no one goes nutz. Safety is the name of the game this year. Safe T!
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dude that is fucking awesome. lol...i've thought of doing something similar like taking a few oz and making an enormous vat of honey and having a party
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If you fruit all 120 cakes we are really going to need a good photo man! That would be a sight to see.
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I keep 30-40 BRF cakes going, and even invitro it can be a bunch of work. You might want to hire some cheap day labor, BGB, for fanning, picking and dunking. Just kidding, of course.
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Wouw, that's a lot of cakes. Good luck!

I also did a bit of "operations analysis" on number of hand movements etc, though mostly for printing because I never inoculated more than 15 cakes at a time, I think, maybe less than that too. It's definitely worth the effort to evaluate one's procedure now and then, IME.
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Pics I want to see pics of this 120 cakes. Man that has to be a lovely sight.
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i hope ur camera has a panoramic function on it cause u might need to to take a pic of that many cakes ahaha
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here are a few pics of them incubating, it hasn't even been a week since innoculation and they're around 60 70% done. I start exposing to light at around 85-90%.
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Exposing them to light will start the pinning faster. I expose from day one (growing the cakes invitro) and usually see pins around 21-27 days.
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Eye stick with g2g with rye, cuz you can make 40 jars into 150 jars in 3 weeks, without waiting. but eye use those big pickle jars(1 gallon)Eye make 4 casings per jar with hpoo/coir/verm. Eye always get 7 or 8 flushes no bullsh!t, 5 of them are big. Eye get 3/4-1 a zip per flush per casing.
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We're just hobbyists man.

No need to list the number of jars/cakes especially when it gets up over a hundred.

Not trying to be rude , just safe.
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alrighty then Maybe newbies can benefit from seeing how much work this is to do this many cakes and decide to never go this route. My question is, what about those folks who post BULK threads? I am a hobbyist as well Believe me, it does not matter if they catch you with 12 or 120. Cultivation is cultivation. I'm an under the belief that I would rather take a large risk for a short period of time as apposed to taking a large risk for a long period of time. With this batch I can stop growing for close to a year. Please dont take me wrong kind sir, I hope I'm not coming off as a asshole. I do understand where you're coming from though. There will be no more BULK threads from me, promise
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I only mentioned it because 120 cakes were brought up and then later someone mentioned 150. What I was trying to articulate is that the number of jars or cakes is not impressive to us and doesn't need to be mentioned (in my opinion).

You can see how it could progress to people posting hundreds of jars and cakes. Thats all I was saying.

Carry on , you have a good thread going. I was just looking out for the site and speaking my mind.
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I can see your point of view. I guess it was reckless to post this thread with the number of cakes. I guess I was just proud of all the work I did. From now on I will take your advice. I dont want to stir any stuff up around here. I really like the site and I do appreciate your concern for the safety of both the site and myself. I appreciate ya!
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We seriously want people to succeed and love seeing pictures and getting progress reports.

It's kind of a group effort.

Best of luck with your projects.
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I did notice in your pictures that you have a nitro powered monster truck,looks real nice too...who makes it?any hop ups/add ons?.I myself am into Rc and have had quite a few over the years.I still have my T maxx and a nitro swamp boat which is pretty fun.I have had a few planes too but turned out I wasn't a great pilot and gave those up.HAHAHHA.
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I did notice in your pictures that you have a nitro powered monster truck,looks real nice too...who makes it?any hop ups/add ons?.I myself am into Rc and have had quite a few over the years.I still have my T maxx and a nitro swamp boat which is pretty fun.I have had a few planes too but turned out I wasn't a great pilot and gave those up.HAHAHHA.
Oh man, this is a TMAXX Murderer! This is a team losi lst2, muggified, its got HD HP skids underneath. Its got a losi 454 .28 8 port engine. Its got an aluminum clutch. It has aluminum steering knuckles, a dynamite engine brace, cen 23mm hubs. New era roll cage, forward only conversion on the tranny with the gearflip for more top end speed. It has jp3 pipe, cen wheels, proline wheels with moabs tires. All kinds of goodies! Ill start a new thread in general for this beast, so you can check it out! PLUR
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Old 10-01-09, 18:47   #34 (permalink)
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UPDATE: Cakes are 80% will start exposing to light monday morning I would imagine. Temps are staying stable at 84f. Not one contam thus far out of 120 cakes. NOT ONE!
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Wow, ultra impressive bro!
What you gonna do with this unreasonable amount of shrooms? =]

I did 30 jars with z, until now I just had used 12 as cakes/ bulks, now I have around 20 jars that I don´t want to take out, but I wanna grow other strain =/

I did a monotub huhu my first, I hope that I´ll try until don´t have any jar hehe
I´ll also frozen 2 cakes for 1 year just to see if it´ll be working yet =]

Nice job bro, anxieted to see your results ^^
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Put a cracker dry, quarter pound in a crock pot and set it on low for 24 hours to cook. It'll cold bust your asses!
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Put a cracker dry, quarter pound in a crock pot and set it on low for 24 hours to cook. It'll cold bust your asses!
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you did a nice job maintaining that temp of 84 huh? have you notice optimal growth speed in all of them, or most of them, or is there too many to check? heh, swim finds 82-84 to be like more than perfect, (adjustment for mycelial heat), foaf always seems to shoot for 86-87 and winds up with stalls in growth towards the end of colonization...


it's funny to me, how the hell would you check up on the progress of all of those? i guess just set aside some time to flip through em now and again?
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If your ambient incubation temp is 86F-87F, the inside of a fast growing PF style jar can get up to 89F-90F.

90F is warm enough to both stunt mycelia growth and cause excessive evaporation. Once a cake gets too dry, it will stall.

Healthy mycelia growth is highly exothermic - myc generates/radiates heat as it grows.
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i can't wait to see those FRUITING. i am sitting on the edge of my seat, bro.
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Me too! Things are going VERY FAST with these two strains but the Z is kicking the most ass at this point IMO. Fruiting pics will be up in a couple of weeks, Until then more work to do. Im thinking of taking them out of the incubator tomorrow if everything looks alright. I might have to wait for a few to catch up, nickle holding up a dime type deal but I want to see 12 bins in full bloom and I know you do too!
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wow that is a whole lot of work. i guess when you party you go big. keep us updated with pics
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More pics on the way today. I just got the jars out of the incubator. They are being exposed to natural sunlight. That's another thing I "think" contributes to massive pin sets and flushes. 108 jars are 95-100% and other 12 need a couple of more days of incubation. Pics will be up tonight! PLUR
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Are you planning on letting your cakes "consolidate" and sit for a week after colonization or going straight into fruiting to try to make your Halloween deadline? If your jars are almost done youve got plenty of time.
I never fruited cakes (spawned to bulk) but a credible source (mycologist) said that you should allow your cakes to sit (about a week if I recall correctly) once fully colonized to allow the mycellium to digest the substrate. He said this process goes on when you birth a cake anyways, except its now exposed to open air instead of its sterile jar. He also noted that that cakes that have been allowed to sit and "consolidate" pin much faster. Since it seems you have the time you should consider looking into it.
And yes I do believe sunlight will be more beneficial to you than any other kind of light. If you really want a bunch of pins you could wrap the jars in foil to get them to pin everywhere from the reflection (Hippie has a pic of this somewhere in an invitro jar)
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Cultivation is cultivation. I'm an under the belief that I would rather take a large risk for a short period of time as apposed to taking a large risk for a long period of time.
I'm completely for eye-popping grows, and I'm rooting for you, but don't forget that in most places--if not all of them-- sentencing gets much harsher the more one has in their satchel.

Be careful bud!
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Yea it was a little work but I got everything done in a day. I had a little help. My new PC hold 32 pf jars at once though so it only took 4 PC sessions. I was thinking of doing mono tubs but I dont have a drill or polyfill. I will fan this time but its no biggie. I can't wait to show you guys the pics of the mountains of boomers this will produce!
Is your PC a 23 qt Presto? I have one and mine only holds 24 half pints, and I have a makeshift platform on the bottom that keeps the bottom row of jars 3" off the bottom of the PC so boiling water won't slosh in them because they're so short.
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Sure is, never had a problem with water getting in the jars though. I only PC for around 35 minutes and I always use around an inch to an inch and a half of water in the PC itself. Here are a few pics of 100 jars being exposed to light. They will be taken out and fruited in one week from today. Getting close!
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