First tub (need a little help)

P4ulada · 09-30-09, 21:47

Hey felas,

I´m planning to have my first tub experience, so I have only this box to do it.
I think it hasn´t a good height, 12 cm = 4,7 inches... what do you think?

I´m thinking on make something like Martha style, just to let them in a tall place

Sorry about this, it´s a visual pollution, but it´s all I have at this moment =/

What seems better in your opinion:

Try to do this project or let them to grow in this short tub?

CoyoteMesc · 09-30-09, 21:55

Cakes? will work fine in that.

You could also go chronic or invitro.

GadgetGuy · 09-30-09, 22:00

I have used a tub similar to that before for a super mini mono tub lol. I ground up one 1/2 pint PF cake and used enough horse poo to fill the tub halfway. Some of the mushies hit the top but they just curled down and were fine. Use what you have until you get everything you need.

P4ulada · 09-30-09, 22:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by CoyoteMesc

Cakes? will work fine in that.

You could also go chronic or invitro.

Oh, I´m planning to make a bulk =]

Thanx Gadget, I think I´ll fill it less than a half and see what happens

Substrate sterilized ^^

(2 L, I think)

P4ulada · 09-30-09, 22:59

Shit!

I did sterilize the hpoo+vermiculite+coir+lime in this pot, but it has a hole on the bottom.
Curse!
I did put some vermiculite to fix the moisture but the vermiculite didn´t be sterilized =/
Maybe it works, but it was a foolishness...

Shall see what happens =/

I´m so bad lucky...zica sucks!

GadgetGuy · 09-30-09, 23:38

A little poo goes a long way my friend. Keep us updated I want to see how it turns out for you. Good vibes sent your way

kcmoxtractor · 10-01-09, 00:06

This is really similar to what I did on my first grow. Only difference is I took another one of those tubs and put it upside down on the other.I put some holes in it about 2/3 of the way up on each of the tubs. I made small holes in the lip on the tub and tied them together with plastic bread ties and this worked as a hinge. How much spawn and bulk material was used?

Jose_sixpac · 10-01-09, 00:36

P4ulada, Just think...all the porta-bello's you can eat.

This stuff gives me a big Kool-aid smile too.

I used spore solution on brf pf's on aug 23 did 4 jars then 4 the next day, the first one didn't birth until last sat, So I have been freakin out for a month thinking I didn't do somthing right.
Then (i noticed little mushies growing at the top) So I DC'd it and went chronic on it's ass, and put it in a cake holder type container.

So far I have pulled four off that opened and have about twenty more sprouting all over the place. Bro that is from one 5 week old brf cake, no additives plain spring water, 1st flush no dunk, that I might get thirty mushies from it on it's first kick.
I was going invetro with the cakes all the way, just changed my mind after hanging in the vaults and way burning the midnight oil.

That was last month and now it seems like light years ago, as far as things have advanced along:

1st I found lions honey blend So I made LC's of all my different edibles (shitakes, oysters ')=

Then I found Buckaroo Bonzi's BB Nuggz...tek (corn) made a batch using lion's LC recipe which was ready in 6 dayz...and since the spawn takes place in the same container, they were ready to case in two weeks after the knock. So they are sitting side by side with the next 5 week old 4 spore cakes that were ready tuesday. Which I ground into a slurry and cased with coir, in containers half the size of the one you are using.

Not long after finding the Buckaroo Bonzi Institute for higher learning, I found Lazlo's wbs tek, made 2 quarts at the same time I did the BB nuggz and spawned my first tub two days ago, the rizzo is bustin through already.

so from a total space cadet that is rookified to the (core) around here, but is having a ball in the Lab...Ol Jose says Go for it Amigo!

With invetro you can grow almost any where, Chronic / mini tubs just need to be a little more controlled, just keep the humidity up and the temp constant you know the drill and we will both be joining the p=ounders club El~pronto like amigo.
Do a little of everything and see what works for you, your climate, location touch and go forrage to make what you need.

NOTE* I did Do all work in a GB, and PC sterilized everything, cept the coir that I used for casing.

Good luck, and you should be having some halloween treets real soon broski, just keep at it.
Sending blue button blessings your way.

Staypuffed, my friend.

_j0se~

P4ulada · 10-01-09, 06:31

Ow Jose, thanks...there are lots of good things on your post, I´ll read it a ilttle more later (tek by tek) =]
Nice work you did, I had a awesome cake flush this times, without clone, only multispore...I´m impressed

Hey kcmo, my quantities was:
Spawn: 800 mL
Bulk subs: 2 L

It fill the box to around 2 inches (~ 5 cm)
A little more than a 1/3, so they´ve 3,2 inches (8 cm) to grow huhu
Not too bad at all =]

MLBjammer · 10-01-09, 07:51

Is this your pan grow, P?

P4ulada · 10-01-09, 13:14

Oh, no, it´s of z-strain =]

kcmoxtractor · 10-01-09, 15:37

They might get bigger than that!

Those mini dubtubs work really well and have nice FAE also!

P4ulada · 10-01-09, 15:51

Yeah, I agree...but I have just one =/
I´m poor, so if it doesn´t work I´m planning to do that schem above, but I little more beautiful hehe

Jose_sixpac · 10-01-09, 19:07

No Money? No Problem! if it works for me...it can work for you!

My Brother, it is time I let you in on a gig of mine...but you have to believe my brother. I have reaped the harvest of many a thing, from the majic dumpster...do you believe?

First you need to find your route, think dumpsters in good apt complexes, preferably by a military base...these cats ship out all the time, and just toss all their chit. Tubs are a dime a dozen at the Majic dumpster, all my mondo tubs 50 q plus, have come from the majic dumpster. All the components needed for my optical research comes from the majic dumpster. Motors (blowers and suckers) hinge material, raw material brackets, molding, wire and much more, all...because I believe.

It starts with my wish list.
My wish list:

1. my list is always conservative.

a. because you need to focus on what you need.

b. the majic dumpster is like mana...you will only receive that what you can instantly use...so no hording or ill gotten goods, for they are a curse for as long as you hold them.

c. You always give back, how ever you can, poverty is only a frame of mind...in this day and times, it may be a blessing in disguise, for as the cold winter blows cold, the grasshopper and even the ant will know hunger, as the first is last and the last will now come first.

2. You need to understand what is being thrown away, recycle bins are treasure troves for bottles and chrondo tubs.

3. Rejoice! for you are about to receive all that you need, you see nature works to our advantage on this one...if you believe.

now go find your treasure amigo, it awaits you.

your poor old friend
_j0se~

P4ulada · 10-01-09, 22:00

Wow, very nice words amigo ^^

"1. my list is always conservative" mine too, but only with basics (I just try to add some additives in some jars, but I always do the same with the others, no changes...well, if something works good, why not? =] )

Nice brother, I´ll find my treasure huhuuu

BuckarooBanzai · 10-02-09, 23:22

That size tub with wooden dowels to support a plastic wrap cover will work.

You shouldn't need the dowels at first. Cover the tub with a layer of aluminum foil (with holes poked in it) until after the pins are visible.

Don't clamp the foil down tight and don't forget a few air holes. Bulk sub needs some fresh air - not much - but some. Seal it up tight and you will get cobweb virtually every time.

Also don't tape down/seal the plastic tent. Your babies need more fresh air after the pins form. No fresh air will mean tiny caps and long, spindly stems.

I have fruited in cardboard boxes lined with a black plastic trash bag - works great. You can get a great harvest doing only manual FAE 3 times a day. And you spot contams much more quickly doing manual FAE.

P4ulada · 10-03-09, 10:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by BuckarooBanzai

That size tub with wooden dowels to support a plastic wrap cover will work.

You shouldn't need the dowels at first. Cover the tub with a layer of aluminum foil (with holes poked in it) until after the pins are visible.

Don't clamp the foil down tight and don't forget a few air holes. Bulk sub needs some fresh air - not much - but some. Seal it up tight and you will get cobweb virtually every time.

Also don't tape down/seal the plastic tent. Your babies need more fresh air after the pins form. No fresh air will mean tiny caps and long, spindly stems.

I have fruited in cardboard boxes lined with a black plastic trash bag - works great. You can get a great harvest doing only manual FAE 3 times a day. And you spot contams much more quickly doing manual FAE.

Hum...let me see if I understood:

1. I´ll cover with an aluminium foil with some holes (the foil until I see pins)

2. I can cover the box (+ aluminium foil "holed" covering) with its own plastic cover (but just don´t locking the dowels yet)

3. After pins I can remove the AL foil and use only the plastic cover to cover the system (with not using the lock covers of the plastic tent)

4. Just FAEring manually and misting when it´s necessary

Do you think it´s good to do some holes on the tub and fill it with polifyl, or tub´s so small to do it?

So, is it? I´ll never use the lock? =P

Thank you so much bro, and sorry about lots of questions (my english is very limited I think, but I´m learning every day huhu)

BuckarooBanzai · 10-03-09, 13:18

1. I´ll cover with an aluminium foil with some holes (the foil until I see pins)
-Yes

2. I can cover the box (+ aluminium foil "holed" covering) with its own plastic cover (but just don´t locking the dowels yet)
-do not cover the aluminum foil with anything.

3. After pins I can remove the AL foil and use only the plastic cover to cover the system (with not using the lock covers of the plastic tent)
-yes. space for the mushrooms to grow and more fresh air.

4. Just FAEring manually and misting when it´s necessary
-yes. FAE 3 times per day. Mist the plastic. do not mist the substrate.

Do you think it´s good to do some holes on the tub and fill it with polifyl, or tub´s so small to do it?
-no. plenty of air will leak in around the plastic wrap cover

So, is it? I´ll never use the lock? =P
-What is the lock? I do not understand.

Thank you so much bro, and sorry about lots of questions (my english is very limited I think, but I´m learning every day huhu)

Your English is fine.

alicesamanita · 10-03-09, 13:25

Keep us updated!

P4ulada · 10-03-09, 19:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by BuckarooBanzai

2. I can cover the box (+ aluminium foil "holed" covering) with its own plastic cover (but just don´t locking the dowels yet)
-do not cover the aluminum foil with anything.

So, is it? I´ll never use the lock? =P
-What is the lock? I do not understand.

Your English is fine.

Uh, thanx for the praise bro, I´m so happy to heard it ^^

I´m always afraid with no cover things...it´s because the holes in the aluminium foils permits some invasors to enter there, ´cause I have no clean place too big to hold it... but if you´re saying I believe

I´ll do

I saw that you have lots of experience, I hope I have too someday

"Lock" means the piece of plastic wich locks the "lid" of the tub; it lets the lid a little more tight =)

hey alicesamanita, I´ll hihi
I need your help, all of you, or just one of you? Everybody very professionals

P4ulada · 10-05-09, 18:26

Just I lil pic of today

Today I´ll put an aluminium foil on it (I was on other city this weekend...)

Sorry about the bad quality of the pics =/

Almost ready to case, what do you think?

BuckarooBanzai · 10-06-09, 10:59

Looks like it is colonizing well!

MLBjammer · 10-06-09, 12:17

That tub is looking phat, brother. I can forsee some large Z shrooms on the loose in Brazil!

Good vibes on your grow as always.

P4ulada · 10-06-09, 12:38

Auhuuu

Thanks guys for the advices, held me a lot ^^
Let´s see what happens this days =]
I hope they will come as giants, as Goliath hehe, already PAN trial right now

kcmoxtractor · 10-06-09, 12:47

Looks like you only have a few more days then you will be ready for fruiting! Good luck!

P4ulada · 10-06-09, 16:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcmoxtractor

Looks like you only have a few more days then you will be ready for fruiting! Good luck!

U-huhu
I hope you´re right, and I bet you r

It may to works, because I love big tubs (not a big in this case, but..)
Besides...I have no place for other thing in my FC hehe, only for pans

BuckarooBanzai · 10-06-09, 22:10

Shredding cakes before spawning to bulk sub will make the sub run faster.

P4ulada · 10-07-09, 07:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by BuckarooBanzai

Shredding cakes before spawning to bulk sub will make the sub run faster.

You mean crumble as sredding?
Almost always I do a dunk on the cakes, if grains I don´t (but I´m thinking it can be good, I can do the mycelium syringe and use the wet grains as spawn, just don´t leting the builk subs too "wet")

BuckarooBanzai · 10-07-09, 11:15

Yes, crumbling the cakes will make the substrate colonize more quickly.

P4ulada · 10-07-09, 19:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by BuckarooBanzai

Yes, crumbling the cakes will make the substrate colonize more quickly.

Oh, yeap! I do it ^^
And I dunk it before too (I think it´s not too necessary, but...nothing to loose).

I think in some more days I can case my tub huhuhu

I can case it on friday or only tuesday =]
I wanna do the casing late tek, just to see if I can get a nice pinset as you have been getting

BuckarooBanzai · 10-07-09, 19:27

Cool.

I don't case cubensis projects unless I am fruiting cakes or grain.

I think casing is a waste of time with cubensis.

Late casing is, I *think* Fahtster's Tek. I may be totally wrong with that, I am just guessing.

P4ulada · 10-07-09, 21:22

Oh

Serious?! I have been achieving poor flushs here (no clones or something like this) and I have been thinking that with no casing should give me weak results =/
Don´t you believe in rez-effect? Or it doesn´t give lots of difference?
I want to achieve a good flush, so I´m doing a "LC clone" from a piece of tissue (leucist by the way).
Don´t you case when the spawn is "yellowcorn"?
Thanks for sharing your thoughts

kcmoxtractor · 10-07-09, 21:39

Yellow corn as in popcorn? If so yes, you should case any whole grain if you are not spawning to something for extra water retention.

If you are spawning the corn to dung, straw, coir or castings it should not be necessary because these substrates hold more water.

P4ulada · 10-07-09, 21:48

Yeah...is popcorn I didn´t know if it´s the correct name to it =P
I spawned it to HPoo+vermiculite+coir+lime, so I´m thinking on case it with coir+peat+vermiculite, but I don´t know if it´s really necessary, for this time I can case only a half tub to see hihi (I think somebody did it and the results show that the cased part works better).

By the way, thankx for the information ^^

BuckarooBanzai · 10-07-09, 21:59

In your bulk substrate, the poo/verm/coir is the water reservoir.

P4ulada · 10-08-09, 05:30

I´ll follow what you saying

Zozo · 10-08-09, 06:30

well I am tracking this, and I am doing something very close to that just my bulk was only coir/verm and I put the tray in a big tab with perlight on the bottom to increase humidity

when you put it in a bigger tab you can open it so you have more air around and less contamination.

good luck
zozo

MLBjammer · 10-08-09, 08:03

That is a pretty tray, Zozo!

P4, like others have said, you do not need to case your bulk sub unless you think it is too dry.

We should see big fruits soon, I think.

P4ulada · 10-08-09, 12:36

Uhu, thank you guys =P
Awesome flush you had there ^^

Hey MLB I hope we´ll see

P4ulada · 10-08-09, 13:28

"How" I´ll not case it, I think around tuesday I can allow lights on.
Then maybe it´s good enough to pin (it have been receiving new aires from times to times).

Popcorn don´t need a casing layer? I´m concerned because I "did" put a little layer of popcorn (my spawn) on the bulk top, as you can see on the pics.

"I "did" put... - My disgusting english, I really don´t know if this phrase is right =/

kcmoxtractor · 10-08-09, 13:33

Hmm, with the popcorn on top that could invite contamination after you harvest your fruits because it will have had the fungal material pulled away. You might think about patching your sub with verm after you harvest to cover any exposed grains.

P4ulada · 10-09-09, 08:54

Yeap kcmo ^^
I found this thread...this tub is like mine

http://forums.mycotopia.net/grow-cha...s-mo-tubs.html (Faht's Mo' Tubs)

Awesome job indeed, I hope I get at least one quart of it =P

P4ulada · 10-13-09, 20:58

Hey everybody, passed around 1 month...(I think it´s too much, but not for me - my incubation periods always demands long time =/ )

My current situation

I can see lots of hyphal nodes there ^^

I just want to know if I really need to case it, because I´m afraid with this porpcorn grains on the surface (I don´t know if shrooms are able to appear from grains like popcorn without a casing layer...if don´t, this grains on the surface can upset the pinage).

This is pic is from today ^^

So, now, I need some help

BuckarooBanzai · 10-13-09, 21:03

I find casing a bulk substrate to be less than worthless. I have found it doesn't help flushing at all - it just slows things down as the sub colonizes the casing layer.

Others swear by casing.

I am not one of them. The only thing I case is cakes and straight grains (though I gave up on fruiting straight grain a long time ago).

DEC makes a very significant and measurable difference with cakes.

Casing is a total waste of time (IMHO) with a bulk substrate.

P4ulada · 10-13-09, 21:19

Thanks Buckaroo =P
So, do you think it´s time to sing happy birthday? =]
Or I need to wait until the grains are not distinguishable?
If it´s ready, how can I proceed? Just let light on it?

You´re right! Case just slow the all thing =/

Oh, I forgot to say...the subs seems to have a very high moisture level, not bad at all...when I definitelly birth it the FAE will compensate it ^^

BuckarooBanzai · 10-13-09, 21:30

If that is growth at a month, I would give it some more time. Probably about 3-5 days.

I suspect your temps are on the cool side, resulting in slow colonization.

You could also fruit that sub now.

Fruiting means giving light and fresh air, while also making certain you maintain high humidity (pins won't form as well in low humidity environments).

P4ulada · 10-13-09, 21:45

Nice bro...next week I´ll birth it (10 days from today) ^^
My temps was on the 79-82 F range...but not always. It does vary on weekends =/

What do you think: birth with the aluminium foil until I see pins then I remove the foil or I just let the box´s roof do the job (with some holes with polyfil)?
Sorry about this final question...I think you said me to don´t do the holes =T

Let´s see what happen until next friday ^^

viewer6922 · 10-13-09, 23:33

is correct! casing bulk substrates makes the myc work 'once' again to colonize.....I find if your temp is good and R/H is at least 90%...you will have success! Oh yeah! and fresh air exchange also! I do not believe in casing!
I birth some cakes about a week ago...I did DEC those ! I tried a verm/coir mixture and am very happy ! I was only using verm before....but this time I put a little coir in the mix, I think that added a little more food to my DEC's.
your project looks good!
Listen to BB....he will lead you to the answers.

BuckarooBanzai · 10-13-09, 23:54

Remove the aluminum foil when you introduce fruiting conditions.

Fruiting requires fresh air, light and high humidity to be successful.

Casing or not casing is a decision you must make for yourself. It is the only way you will truly convince yourself.

P4ulada · 10-13-09, 23:56

Thanx for the praise, I hope this project gives me a good knowledgement to go to my next bigger tub huhu
Hell yeah! vermi+coir is a good combination ^^
I´ll listen him, the man knows wath he says =P

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09-30-09, 21:47	#1 (permalink)
P4ulada Mycotopiate Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 696	First tub (need a little help) Hey felas, I´m planning to have my first tub experience, so I have only this box to do it. I think it hasn´t a good height, 12 cm = 4,7 inches... what do you think? I´m thinking on make something like Martha style, just to let them in a tall place Sorry about this, it´s a visual pollution, but it´s all I have at this moment =/ What seems better in your opinion: Try to do this project or let them to grow in this short tub?

09-30-09, 21:55	#2 (permalink)
CoyoteMesc howling mad Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 4,045	Cakes? will work fine in that. You could also go chronic or invitro. __________________ WOODY: Hey, Mr. Peterson, there's a cold one waiting for you. NORM: I know. If she calls, I'm not here.[ (Cheers)

09-30-09, 22:00	#3 (permalink)
GadgetGuy Stupid Snowboarder... Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 1,318	I have used a tub similar to that before for a super mini mono tub lol. I ground up one 1/2 pint PF cake and used enough horse poo to fill the tub halfway. Some of the mushies hit the top but they just curled down and were fine. Use what you have until you get everything you need. __________________ I have to hold on to the grass or I'll fall off the world!

09-30-09, 23:38	#6 (permalink)
GadgetGuy Stupid Snowboarder... Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 1,318	A little poo goes a long way my friend. Keep us updated I want to see how it turns out for you. Good vibes sent your way __________________ I have to hold on to the grass or I'll fall off the world!

09-30-09, 22:59	#5 (permalink)
P4ulada Mycotopiate Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 696	Shit! I did sterilize the hpoo+vermiculite+coir+lime in this pot, but it has a hole on the bottom. Curse! I did put some vermiculite to fix the moisture but the vermiculite didn´t be sterilized =/ Maybe it works, but it was a foolishness... Shall see what happens =/ I´m so bad lucky...zica sucks!

10-01-09, 00:06	#7 (permalink)
kcmoxtractor Satan's Helper Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,350	This is really similar to what I did on my first grow. Only difference is I took another one of those tubs and put it upside down on the other.I put some holes in it about 2/3 of the way up on each of the tubs. I made small holes in the lip on the tub and tied them together with plastic bread ties and this worked as a hinge. How much spawn and bulk material was used? Attached Thumbnails __________________ "It was the straying that found the path direct" - Austin Osman Spare

10-01-09, 00:36	#8 (permalink)
Jose_sixpac Djembe~Woof Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 298	Don'tcha just love it P... P4ulada, Just think...all the porta-bello's you can eat. This stuff gives me a big Kool-aid smile too. I used spore solution on brf pf's on aug 23 did 4 jars then 4 the next day, the first one didn't birth until last sat, So I have been freakin out for a month thinking I didn't do somthing right. Then (i noticed little mushies growing at the top) So I DC'd it and went chronic on it's ass, and put it in a cake holder type container. So far I have pulled four off that opened and have about twenty more sprouting all over the place. Bro that is from one 5 week old brf cake, no additives plain spring water, 1st flush no dunk, that I might get thirty mushies from it on it's first kick. I was going invetro with the cakes all the way, just changed my mind after hanging in the vaults and way burning the midnight oil. That was last month and now it seems like light years ago, as far as things have advanced along: 1st I found lions honey blend So I made LC's of all my different edibles (shitakes, oysters ')= Then I found Buckaroo Bonzi's BB Nuggz...tek (corn) made a batch using lion's LC recipe which was ready in 6 dayz...and since the spawn takes place in the same container, they were ready to case in two weeks after the knock. So they are sitting side by side with the next 5 week old 4 spore cakes that were ready tuesday. Which I ground into a slurry and cased with coir, in containers half the size of the one you are using. Not long after finding the Buckaroo Bonzi Institute for higher learning, I found Lazlo's wbs tek, made 2 quarts at the same time I did the BB nuggz and spawned my first tub two days ago, the rizzo is bustin through already. so from a total space cadet that is rookified to the (core) around here, but is having a ball in the Lab...Ol Jose says Go for it Amigo! With invetro you can grow almost any where, Chronic / mini tubs just need to be a little more controlled, just keep the humidity up and the temp constant you know the drill and we will both be joining the p=ounders club El~pronto like amigo. Do a little of everything and see what works for you, your climate, location touch and go forrage to make what you need. NOTE* I did Do all work in a GB, and PC sterilized everything, cept the coir that I used for casing. Good luck, and you should be having some halloween treets real soon broski, just keep at it. Sending blue button blessings your way. Staypuffed, my friend. _j0se~ __________________ E-ticket or nada.

10-01-09, 06:31	#9 (permalink)
P4ulada Mycotopiate Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 696	Ow Jose, thanks...there are lots of good things on your post, I´ll read it a ilttle more later (tek by tek) =] Nice work you did, I had a awesome cake flush this times, without clone, only multispore...I´m impressed Hey kcmo, my quantities was: Spawn: 800 mL Bulk subs: 2 L It fill the box to around 2 inches (~ 5 cm) A little more than a 1/3, so they´ve 3,2 inches (8 cm) to grow huhu Not too bad at all =]

10-01-09, 07:51	#10 (permalink)
MLBjammer Addicted to Invitro Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,877	Is this your pan grow, P?

10-01-09, 13:14	#11 (permalink)
P4ulada Mycotopiate Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 696	Oh, no, it´s of z-strain =]

10-01-09, 15:37	#12 (permalink)
kcmoxtractor Satan's Helper Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,350	They might get bigger than that! Those mini dubtubs work really well and have nice FAE also! __________________ "It was the straying that found the path direct" - Austin Osman Spare

10-01-09, 15:51	#13 (permalink)
P4ulada Mycotopiate Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 696	Yeah, I agree...but I have just one =/ I´m poor, so if it doesn´t work I´m planning to do that schem above, but I little more beautiful hehe

10-01-09, 19:07	#14 (permalink)
Jose_sixpac Djembe~Woof Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 298	The majic dumpster No Money? No Problem! if it works for me...it can work for you! My Brother, it is time I let you in on a gig of mine...but you have to believe my brother. I have reaped the harvest of many a thing, from the majic dumpster...do you believe? First you need to find your route, think dumpsters in good apt complexes, preferably by a military base...these cats ship out all the time, and just toss all their chit. Tubs are a dime a dozen at the Majic dumpster, all my mondo tubs 50 q plus, have come from the majic dumpster. All the components needed for my optical research comes from the majic dumpster. Motors (blowers and suckers) hinge material, raw material brackets, molding, wire and much more, all...because I believe. It starts with my wish list. My wish list: 1. my list is always conservative. a. because you need to focus on what you need. b. the majic dumpster is like mana...you will only receive that what you can instantly use...so no hording or ill gotten goods, for they are a curse for as long as you hold them. c. You always give back, how ever you can, poverty is only a frame of mind...in this day and times, it may be a blessing in disguise, for as the cold winter blows cold, the grasshopper and even the ant will know hunger, as the first is last and the last will now come first. 2. You need to understand what is being thrown away, recycle bins are treasure troves for bottles and chrondo tubs. 3. Rejoice! for you are about to receive all that you need, you see nature works to our advantage on this one...if you believe. now go find your treasure amigo, it awaits you. your poor old friend _j0se~ __________________ E-ticket or nada.

10-01-09, 22:00	#15 (permalink)
P4ulada Mycotopiate Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 696	Wow, very nice words amigo ^^ "1. my list is always conservative" mine too, but only with basics (I just try to add some additives in some jars, but I always do the same with the others, no changes...well, if something works good, why not? =] ) Nice brother, I´ll find my treasure huhuuu

10-06-09, 10:59	#22 (permalink)
BuckarooBanzai Prone to ranting... Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 6,050	Looks like it is colonizing well! __________________ Banzai Institute for Higher Education (a collection of growing Teks & threads)

10-02-09, 23:22	#16 (permalink)
BuckarooBanzai Prone to ranting... Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 6,050	That size tub with wooden dowels to support a plastic wrap cover will work. You shouldn't need the dowels at first. Cover the tub with a layer of aluminum foil (with holes poked in it) until after the pins are visible. Don't clamp the foil down tight and don't forget a few air holes. Bulk sub needs some fresh air - not much - but some. Seal it up tight and you will get cobweb virtually every time. Also don't tape down/seal the plastic tent. Your babies need more fresh air after the pins form. No fresh air will mean tiny caps and long, spindly stems. I have fruited in cardboard boxes lined with a black plastic trash bag - works great. You can get a great harvest doing only manual FAE 3 times a day. And you spot contams much more quickly doing manual FAE. __________________ Banzai Institute for Higher Education (a collection of growing Teks & threads)

10-03-09, 13:18	#18 (permalink)
BuckarooBanzai Prone to ranting... Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 6,050	1. I´ll cover with an aluminium foil with some holes (the foil until I see pins) -Yes 2. I can cover the box (+ aluminium foil "holed" covering) with its own plastic cover (but just don´t locking the dowels yet) -do not cover the aluminum foil with anything. 3. After pins I can remove the AL foil and use only the plastic cover to cover the system (with not using the lock covers of the plastic tent) -yes. space for the mushrooms to grow and more fresh air. 4. Just FAEring manually and misting when it´s necessary -yes. FAE 3 times per day. Mist the plastic. do not mist the substrate. Do you think it´s good to do some holes on the tub and fill it with polifyl, or tub´s so small to do it? -no. plenty of air will leak in around the plastic wrap cover So, is it? I´ll never use the lock? =P -What is the lock? I do not understand. Thank you so much bro, and sorry about lots of questions (my english is very limited I think, but I´m learning every day huhu) Your English is fine. __________________ Banzai Institute for Higher Education (a collection of growing Teks & threads)

10-03-09, 13:25	#19 (permalink)
alicesamanita Alice in Wonderland Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 381	Keep us updated!

10-05-09, 18:26	#21 (permalink)
P4ulada Mycotopiate Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 696	Just I lil pic of today Today I´ll put an aluminium foil on it (I was on other city this weekend...) Sorry about the bad quality of the pics =/ Almost ready to case, what do you think?

10-06-09, 12:17	#23 (permalink)
MLBjammer Addicted to Invitro Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,877	That tub is looking phat, brother. I can forsee some large Z shrooms on the loose in Brazil! Good vibes on your grow as always.

10-06-09, 12:38	#24 (permalink)
P4ulada Mycotopiate Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 696	Auhuuu Thanks guys for the advices, held me a lot ^^ Let´s see what happens this days =] I hope they will come as giants, as Goliath hehe, already PAN trial right now

10-06-09, 12:47	#25 (permalink)
kcmoxtractor Satan's Helper Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,350	Looks like you only have a few more days then you will be ready for fruiting! Good luck! __________________ "It was the straying that found the path direct" - Austin Osman Spare

10-06-09, 22:10	#27 (permalink)
BuckarooBanzai Prone to ranting... Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 6,050	Shredding cakes before spawning to bulk sub will make the sub run faster. __________________ Banzai Institute for Higher Education (a collection of growing Teks & threads)

10-07-09, 11:15	#29 (permalink)
BuckarooBanzai Prone to ranting... Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 6,050	Yes, crumbling the cakes will make the substrate colonize more quickly. __________________ Banzai Institute for Higher Education (a collection of growing Teks & threads)

10-07-09, 19:27	#31 (permalink)
BuckarooBanzai Prone to ranting... Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 6,050	Cool. I don't case cubensis projects unless I am fruiting cakes or grain. I think casing is a waste of time with cubensis. Late casing is, I think Fahtster's Tek. I may be totally wrong with that, I am just guessing. __________________ Banzai Institute for Higher Education (a collection of growing Teks & threads)

10-07-09, 21:22	#32 (permalink)
P4ulada Mycotopiate Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 696	Oh Serious?! I have been achieving poor flushs here (no clones or something like this) and I have been thinking that with no casing should give me weak results =/ Don´t you believe in rez-effect? Or it doesn´t give lots of difference? I want to achieve a good flush, so I´m doing a "LC clone" from a piece of tissue (leucist by the way). Don´t you case when the spawn is "yellowcorn"? Thanks for sharing your thoughts

10-07-09, 21:39	#33 (permalink)
kcmoxtractor Satan's Helper Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,350	Yellow corn as in popcorn? If so yes, you should case any whole grain if you are not spawning to something for extra water retention. If you are spawning the corn to dung, straw, coir or castings it should not be necessary because these substrates hold more water. __________________ "It was the straying that found the path direct" - Austin Osman Spare

10-07-09, 21:48	#34 (permalink)
P4ulada Mycotopiate Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 696	Yeah...is popcorn I didn´t know if it´s the correct name to it =P I spawned it to HPoo+vermiculite+coir+lime, so I´m thinking on case it with coir+peat+vermiculite, but I don´t know if it´s really necessary, for this time I can case only a half tub to see hihi (I think somebody did it and the results show that the cased part works better). By the way, thankx for the information ^^

10-07-09, 21:59	#35 (permalink)
BuckarooBanzai Prone to ranting... Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 6,050	In your bulk substrate, the poo/verm/coir is the water reservoir. __________________ Banzai Institute for Higher Education (a collection of growing Teks & threads)

10-08-09, 05:30	#36 (permalink)
P4ulada Mycotopiate Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 696	I´ll follow what you saying

10-08-09, 06:30	#37 (permalink)
Zozo The green paladin Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 406	well I am tracking this, and I am doing something very close to that just my bulk was only coir/verm and I put the tray in a big tab with perlight on the bottom to increase humidity when you put it in a bigger tab you can open it so you have more air around and less contamination. good luck zozo __________________ My Grow logs

10-08-09, 08:03	#38 (permalink)
MLBjammer Addicted to Invitro Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,877	That is a pretty tray, Zozo! P4, like others have said, you do not need to case your bulk sub unless you think it is too dry. We should see big fruits soon, I think.

10-08-09, 12:36	#39 (permalink)
P4ulada Mycotopiate Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 696	Uhu, thank you guys =P Awesome flush you had there ^^ Hey MLB I hope we´ll see

10-08-09, 13:28	#40 (permalink)
P4ulada Mycotopiate Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 696	"How" I´ll not case it, I think around tuesday I can allow lights on. Then maybe it´s good enough to pin (it have been receiving new aires from times to times). Popcorn don´t need a casing layer? I´m concerned because I "did" put a little layer of popcorn (my spawn) on the bulk top, as you can see on the pics. "I "did" put... - My disgusting english, I really don´t know if this phrase is right =/

10-08-09, 13:33	#41 (permalink)
kcmoxtractor Satan's Helper Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,350	Hmm, with the popcorn on top that could invite contamination after you harvest your fruits because it will have had the fungal material pulled away. You might think about patching your sub with verm after you harvest to cover any exposed grains. __________________ "It was the straying that found the path direct" - Austin Osman Spare