Coir question is this the same stuff???

Wild-find-I.D. · 10-01-09, 09:59

ok so tryin to find coir with out Trich in it I went to a pet shop & found this stuff coco husk when I looked up coir its the same stuff (coco husk) but mine looks like mulch & the coir I seen looks like dirt

is this the same stuff? will it work to spawn popcorn??

OR do i need to grind this stuff up?? because that maybe hard to do

MLBjammer · 10-01-09, 10:12

Here's a good coir prep tek: http://forums.mycotopia.net/coir-pea...-coir-use.html (Preparing Coir for use)

I figure coir would damage any kitchen-type grinder. Just break it up into flaky pieces. That is all you need. I have even done well with bigger chunks (as I am often very lazy). Once it has soaked for a bit, it is much easier to break up.

Good luck!

Wild-find-I.D. · 10-01-09, 10:14

ok because i had opened a pack after I talked with afew people here that was unsure what I meant when I said it looks like mulch

so it should mash up right??? after I prep it just wanted to make sure its not over chunky or if it could be used chunky???

TastyBeverage · 10-01-09, 10:19

I use the edge of a gardening fork or a gardening spade to flake off some of the coir if i'm not using the whole brick. You could maybe use a screwdriver and a hammer too. However, the easiest way to prep it is to just put the whole brick in a large pot and pour boiling water over it. Let it sit for a while and occasionally fluff it up to allow it to expand more. Pretty soon you'll have a big pot full of hydrated coir ready to mix up or spawn to. No other prep is necessary.

Can't say exactly how much water to add though, i just eyeball it from a lot of practice.

Wild-find-I.D. · 10-01-09, 10:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by TastyBeverage

I use the edge of a gardening fork or a gardening spade to flake off some of the coir if i'm not using the whole brick. You could maybe use a screwdriver and a hammer too. However, the easiest way to prep it is to just put the whole brick in a large pot and pour boiling water over it. Let it sit for a while and occasionally fluff it up to allow it to expand more. Pretty soon you'll have a big pot full of hydrated coir ready to mix up or spawn to. No other prep is necessary.

Can't say exactly how much water to add though, i just eyeball it from a lot of practice.

OK so preping isnt my problem I've gotin alot of good info & tons of links to read on coir

but none say anything on mulch looking coir its (---->CHUNKS <----> of husk) not like just pulp like dirt but mulch

has anyone used chunky coir or this brand of EXO TERRA coir before??? the stuff I've seen looks like (---> DIRT <---) all ground up

mine isnt!!! will it works as chunks??? is the question???

MLBjammer · 10-01-09, 11:00

The only thing I would add to that, Tasty, is to squeeze the coir after hydration until the moisture content is at field capacity.

TastyBeverage · 10-01-09, 11:02

I guess maybe i'm confused. Have you actually prepped any of it yet? That brick you posted looks like any other brick of coir i've seen and used. Once you hydrate it, it turns into a fluffy soil like consistency.

Anyways, even if there is chunks, the mycelium will move through it just fine. Might actually be faster, since it just colonizes the surface. Coir is non nutritive.

TastyBeverage · 10-01-09, 11:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by MLBjammer

The only thing I would add to that, Tasty, is to squeeze the coir after hydration until the moisture content is at field capacity.

I seem to be really good at eyeballing-- haven't had to adjust moisture afterwards!

But yes, this is a necessary step if you've added too much, which is very easy to do.

MLBjammer · 10-01-09, 11:05

You have to let it soak longer so that it will break up more. That is the brand I use. And I have had success with chunks of it mixed with popcorn as a rez-effect grow. If you look at this picture, you can see bigger pieces of coir in

the bowl.

Wild-find-I.D. · 10-01-09, 11:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by TastyBeverage

I guess maybe i'm confused. Have you actually prepped any of it yet? That brick you posted looks like any other brick of coir i've seen and used. Once you hydrate it, it turns into a fluffy soil like consistency.

Anyways, even if there is chunks, the mycelium will move through it just fine. Might actually be faster, since it just colonizes the surface. Coir is non nutritive.

havent preped it yet didnt know if I need to return it or not I can clearly see chunks & pieces of compressed husk chunks I tried to pull some apart on 1 of the bricks I have & a fiber came out as long as the package

it just doesnt seem as processed as other bricks I've seen here posted I seen afew look like bricks & not chunky like mine looks

MLBjammer · 10-01-09, 11:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by TastyBeverage

I seem to be really good at eyeballing-- haven't had to adjust moisture afterwards!

But yes, this is a necessary step if you've added too much, which is very easy to do.

You are good!

Wild-find-I.D. · 10-01-09, 11:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by MLBjammer

You have to let it soak longer so that it will break up more. That is the brand I use. And I have had success with chunks of it mixed with popcorn as a rez-effect grow. If you look at this picture, you can see bigger pieces of coir in

the bowl.

THANK YOU THIS WAS ALL I NEEDED TO KNOW I SEE YOUR CHUNKS LOOKS GOOD

just wanted to make sure it would work as chunks

MLBjammer · 10-01-09, 11:30

You are welcome. Good luck with your project.

Wild-find-I.D. · 10-01-09, 11:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by MLBjammer

You are welcome. Good luck with your project.

TY its needed this is for my A+ albino grow so again TY for the info

Beastmaster · 10-01-09, 12:39

At the pet stores there's chunky coir and fine coir, both pressed into blocks. It is probably freer from trich than the moist bagged coir you'll find at a gardening store, which is purposely inoculated with trich for plant benefit, but I think its a good practice to pasteurize anything you put into your substrates.

Wild-find-I.D. · 10-01-09, 12:48

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Originally Posted by Beastmaster

purposely inoculated with trich for plant benefit

why do they do that again?? what benefits does it serve??? NEVER MIND THIS QUESTION I FOUND THE ANSWER IN A GARDEN BOOK

it pretty much slowly compost the coir for plants thats why its added the gardening coir

ALL IN ALL natural fertilizers

whatchamacallit · 10-01-09, 13:35

Trichoderma is beneficial for helping plants absorb nutrients in an organic soil mix.

masterplain88 · 10-01-09, 13:53

so as long as you are pasteurizeing does it matter were your coir came from. i was getting ready to use some and it is sunleaves brand for hydroponics and gardening.
masterplain88

Wild-find-I.D. · 10-01-09, 14:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by masterplain88

so as long as you are pasteurizeing does it matter were your coir came from. i was getting ready to use some and it is sunleaves brand for hydroponics and gardening.
masterplain88

alot of people say hydro & garden shop have Trich laced coir for plants but its not in animal bedding cause it could make animals sick or die & if it is in bedding coir its not in the amounts like hydro/garden shops

I looked up some more info on it

MLBjammer · 10-02-09, 07:58

I don't pasteurize or sterilize coir (the pet store bricks) if I am using it by itself for a rez-effect grow. The hydro coir should be sterilized IMO to get rid of the trich before any use at all.

weeeeeee · 10-02-09, 09:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by TastyBeverage

I use the edge of a gardening fork or a gardening spade to flake off some of the coir if i'm not using the whole brick. You could maybe use a screwdriver and a hammer too. However, the easiest way to prep it is to just put the whole brick in a large pot and pour boiling water over it. Let it sit for a while and occasionally fluff it up to allow it to expand more. Pretty soon you'll have a big pot full of hydrated coir ready to mix up or spawn to. No other prep is necessary.

Can't say exactly how much water to add though, i just eyeball it from a lot of practice.

Yeah i do the same TVC, though i would also suggest flipping the bricks on their side. It makes this task at least 80% easier to perform IME.

Quote:

Originally Posted by wild find id

alot of people say hydro & garden shop have Trich laced coir for plants but its not in animal bedding cause it could make animals sick or die & if it is in bedding coir its not in the amounts like hydro/garden shops

I looked up some more info on it

Yepppppp its beneficial to plants in most cases along with some other organisms. They even sell bottles of trich enriched goodness for your plants in the advanced nutes section of most every hydro shop i have ever been in. I use coir that i get from a hydro shop, the brand is cocotek. I have never had a problem with trich that i have ever directly connected with that brand. I do also use the same pet store brand that you have there. Only when i buy it I make sure to get the finely shredded stuff, as I not a fan of that chunky stuff.

BuckarooBanzai · 10-03-09, 00:03

That will work, but straight coir (the fiberous outer layer of the coconut) will work better.

A trich "infection" in soil is a very, very beneficial thing for green plants growing in that soil. A trich "infection" in a compost heap is also highly desirable - from a composting perspective.

Hydro coir that is trich treated will advertise the fact on the label. It is a selling point.

masterplain88 · 10-03-09, 01:12

the coir i have is sunleaves classic coir brick its says disease,weed,and pest free and says it is all organic fiber growing medium. so would that be fine the pasturize or should it be steralized. i plained on mixxing like hpoo/coir/straw or verm and wanted to pasturize it all together but im a lil worried about the trich thing. could i pasturize the coir seperate and then mixx that with everything and pasturize again. what would be a good method to make sure my coir is free of trich before i mix it with the rest of my substrate for pasturization.
thanks,
masterplain88

MLBjammer · 10-03-09, 06:00

I would sterilize the coir separately and then mix with the other bulk ingredients to pasteurize.

whatchamacallit · 10-03-09, 20:37

You can moisten it, then cook it in the oven at 300 degrees F, for awhile (depends on how much, how thick it is in the container, etc.), or PC it.

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TastyBeverage thirsty for more Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 2,482	I use the edge of a gardening fork or a gardening spade to flake off some of the coir if i'm not using the whole brick. You could maybe use a screwdriver and a hammer too. However, the easiest way to prep it is to just put the whole brick in a large pot and pour boiling water over it. Let it sit for a while and occasionally fluff it up to allow it to expand more. Pretty soon you'll have a big pot full of hydrated coir ready to mix up or spawn to. No other prep is necessary. Can't say exactly how much water to add though, i just eyeball it from a lot of practice. __________________ Why do little blue men hit me with fish?

10-01-09, 11:02	#7 (permalink)
TastyBeverage thirsty for more Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 2,482	I guess maybe i'm confused. Have you actually prepped any of it yet? That brick you posted looks like any other brick of coir i've seen and used. Once you hydrate it, it turns into a fluffy soil like consistency. Anyways, even if there is chunks, the mycelium will move through it just fine. Might actually be faster, since it just colonizes the surface. Coir is non nutritive. __________________ Why do little blue men hit me with fish?

10-01-09, 12:39	#15 (permalink)
Beastmaster Weremod Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,614	At the pet stores there's chunky coir and fine coir, both pressed into blocks. It is probably freer from trich than the moist bagged coir you'll find at a gardening store, which is purposely inoculated with trich for plant benefit, but I think its a good practice to pasteurize anything you put into your substrates. __________________ "Passion is inversely proportional to the amount of real information available." -Gregory Benford

10-01-09, 10:12	#2 (permalink)
MLBjammer Addicted to Invitro Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,876	Here's a good coir prep tek: http://forums.mycotopia.net/coir-pea...-coir-use.html (Preparing Coir for use) I figure coir would damage any kitchen-type grinder. Just break it up into flaky pieces. That is all you need. I have even done well with bigger chunks (as I am often very lazy). Once it has soaked for a bit, it is much easier to break up. Good luck!

10-01-09, 10:14	#3 (permalink)
Wild-find-I.D. Market Restricted Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 156	ok because i had opened a pack after I talked with afew people here that was unsure what I meant when I said it looks like mulch so it should mash up right??? after I prep it just wanted to make sure its not over chunky or if it could be used chunky???

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MLBjammer Addicted to Invitro Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,876	The only thing I would add to that, Tasty, is to squeeze the coir after hydration until the moisture content is at field capacity.

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MLBjammer Addicted to Invitro Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,876	You have to let it soak longer so that it will break up more. That is the brand I use. And I have had success with chunks of it mixed with popcorn as a rez-effect grow. If you look at this picture, you can see bigger pieces of coir in the bowl.

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MLBjammer Addicted to Invitro Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,876	You are welcome. Good luck with your project.

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whatchamacallit Deadhead Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,170	Trichoderma is beneficial for helping plants absorb nutrients in an organic soil mix. __________________ I'm addicted to placebos, I could quit but it wouldn't matter.. http://deadvids.com/dv3 24/7 Dead Videos with a chatroom!

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masterplain88 Mycotopiate Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 683	so as long as you are pasteurizeing does it matter were your coir came from. i was getting ready to use some and it is sunleaves brand for hydroponics and gardening. masterplain88

10-02-09, 07:58	#20 (permalink)
MLBjammer Addicted to Invitro Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,876	I don't pasteurize or sterilize coir (the pet store bricks) if I am using it by itself for a rez-effect grow. The hydro coir should be sterilized IMO to get rid of the trich before any use at all.

10-03-09, 00:03	#22 (permalink)
BuckarooBanzai Prone to ranting... Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 6,050	That will work, but straight coir (the fiberous outer layer of the coconut) will work better. A trich "infection" in soil is a very, very beneficial thing for green plants growing in that soil. A trich "infection" in a compost heap is also highly desirable - from a composting perspective. Hydro coir that is trich treated will advertise the fact on the label. It is a selling point. __________________ Banzai Institute for Higher Education (a collection of growing Teks & threads)

10-03-09, 01:12	#23 (permalink)
masterplain88 Mycotopiate Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 683	the coir i have is sunleaves classic coir brick its says disease,weed,and pest free and says it is all organic fiber growing medium. so would that be fine the pasturize or should it be steralized. i plained on mixxing like hpoo/coir/straw or verm and wanted to pasturize it all together but im a lil worried about the trich thing. could i pasturize the coir seperate and then mixx that with everything and pasturize again. what would be a good method to make sure my coir is free of trich before i mix it with the rest of my substrate for pasturization. thanks, masterplain88

10-03-09, 06:00	#24 (permalink)
MLBjammer Addicted to Invitro Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,876	I would sterilize the coir separately and then mix with the other bulk ingredients to pasteurize.

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whatchamacallit Deadhead Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,170	You can moisten it, then cook it in the oven at 300 degrees F, for awhile (depends on how much, how thick it is in the container, etc.), or PC it. __________________ I'm addicted to placebos, I could quit but it wouldn't matter.. http://deadvids.com/dv3 24/7 Dead Videos with a chatroom!

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