Extraction, "Erowid Tek"

P4ulada · 10-06-09, 14:15

FOAF have been drying some shrooms on a CaCl2 chamber, but now he saw that the CaCl2 is very old (almost liquid) so he can´t recover it =/
Because of it, some shrooms on drying process get cobweb

He had dunk the shrooms in a H2O2 solution and put it in front of a fanner.
2 days left, they was pratically cracker dry, so he had decided to do a extraction process wich he had saw

Solvents: Pure Metanol (P.A)
Little amount of Anidrous Etanol, ascorbic acid and vinegar =]

Right now
Turbilhão.avi

Om shanti · 10-06-09, 14:17

Good luck, hope it works!! :-)

Faithjuice · 10-06-09, 14:43

That sounds pretty cool Here is a reminder of the safety data for methol.

Safety data for methyl alcohol

Click here for data on methyl alcohol in student-friendly format, from the HSci project Glossary of terms on this data sheet. The information on this web page is provided to help you to work safely, but it is intended to be an overview of hazards, not a replacement for a full Material Safety Data Sheet (MSDS). MSDS forms can be downloaded from the web sites of many chemical suppliers.
General

Synonyms: methanol, carbinol, colonial spirit, columbian spirit, methylol, methyl hydrate, wood alcohol, wood naphtha, wood spirit, methyl hydroxide, pyroxylic spirit, RCRA waste number U154, meths
Molecular formula: CH3OH
CAS No: 67-56-1
EC No: 200-659-6
Annex I Index No: 603-001-00-X

Physical data

Appearance: colourless liquid with a characteristic odour
Melting point: -98 C
Boiling point: 64.7 C
Vapour density: 1.1
Vapour pressure: 97.7 mm at 20 C
Specific gravity: 0.791
Flash point: 11 C
Explosion limits: 6% - 36 %
Autoignition temperature: 464 C
Stability

Stable. May react violently with acids, acid chlorides, acid anhydrides, oxidizing agents, reducing agents and alkali metals. Protect from moisture. Highly flammable.

Toxicology

Toxic by inhalation, ingestion or skin absorption. May be a reproductive hazard. Ingestion may be fatal. Risk of very serious, irreversible damage if swallowed. Exposure may cause eye, kidney, heart and liver damage. Chronic or substantial acute exposure may cause serious eye damage, including blindness. Irritant. Narcotic. UK exposure limits: long-term 200 ppm, short term 250 ppm.
Toxicity data
(The meaning of any abbreviations which appear in this section is given here.)
ORL-HMN LDLO 428 mg kg-1
ORL-MAN LDLO 6422 mg kg-1
UNR-MAN LDLO 868 mg kg-1
ORL-RAT LD50 5628 mg kg-1
IHL-RAT LC50 83 mg/l.
IPR-RBT LD50 1826 mg kg-1
IPR-RAT LD50 9540 mg kg-1
ORL-MUS LD50 7300 mg kg-1
Risk phrases
(The meaning of any risk phrases which appear in this section is given here.)
R11 R23 R24 R25 R39.
Transport information

(The meaning of any UN hazard codes which appear in this section is given here.)
UN No 1230. Packing group II. Hazard class 3 (6.1)

Personal protection

Safety glasses. Effective ventilation. Within the UK this material must be assessed under the COSHH regulations.
Safety phrases
(The meaning of any safety phrases which appear in this section is given here.)
S7 S16 S24 S36 S37 S45
[Return to Physical & Theoretical Chemistry Lab. Safety home page.]

P4ulada · 10-06-09, 14:59

Ow, thanks bro (I saw it, but it´s always good to have in mind) =]

Soliver · 10-06-09, 21:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by P4ulada

FOAF have been drying some shrooms on a CaCl2 chamber, but now he saw that the CaCl2 is very old (almost liquid) so he can´t recover it =/
Because of it, some shrooms on drying process get cobweb

He had dunk the shrooms in a H2O2 solution and put it in front of a fanner.
2 days left, they was pratically cracker dry, so he had decided to do a extraction process wich he had saw

Solvents: Pure Metanol (P.A)
Little amount of Anidrous Etanol, ascorbic acid and vinegar =]

Attachment 143739 Attachment 143740 Attachment 143741 Attachment 143742

Right now
Attachment 143743

What do you do with it after the soak?

soliver

P4ulada · 10-07-09, 07:49

Uh, filter the ppt ^^
I have a doubt: My alkaloids are in solution or is this the crystals?

I´ll keep both, if it´s the white solid I´ll filter and recrystalize, if don´t I´ll do a cromatographic colunm ^^

Myc · 10-07-09, 12:18

Finally a serious discussion on this subject!
At least I hope so.

It appears from the nature of your posts that you have ready access to lab or lab-grade apparatus.
So you will be able to do chromatography and quantify the results??
We might actually be able to put psilocin/psilocybin diy extractions to bed for good!

Thre365ive · 10-07-09, 12:19

If you reflux that gently for about 4 hours, you'll get much better results. You can use an old coffee percolator with some ice on top as a reflux condenser.

Just be careful, because psilocybin crystals oxidize very easily when exposed to air. I had a batch that was only good for a couple hours once, although it was very clean.

P4ulada · 10-07-09, 15:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by Myc

Finally a serious discussion on this subject!
At least I hope so.

It appears from the nature of your posts that you have ready access to lab or lab-grade apparatus.
So you will be able to do chromatography and quantify the results??
We might actually be able to put psilocin/psilocybin diy extractions to bed for good!

Yes, maybe I can do it

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thre365ive

If you reflux that gently for about 4 hours, you'll get much better results. You can use an old coffee percolator with some ice on top as a reflux condenser.

Just be careful, because psilocybin crystals oxidize very easily when exposed to air. I had a batch that was only good for a couple hours once, although it was very clean.

185-195° C (Crystals from methanol)
Shit, I have no time this week for read the article (http://www.erowid.org/references/ref...DocPartID=5939)

But I think I can reflux it with no problems. With an ice bath I´ll not pass for 100.C, as the psilocybin melting point is around 190.C it isn´t a problem.

My doubt is: The alkaloids are in solution or are the crystals? I have no way to analyse it ATM =/

Thanx for the advices

Thre365ive · 10-07-09, 15:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by P4ulada

185-195° C (Crystals from methanol)
Shit, I have no time this week for read the article (http://www.erowid.org/references/refs_view.php?A=ShowDocPartFrame&ID=6379&DocPartID =5939)

But I think I can reflux it with no problems. With an ice bath I´ll not pass for 100.C, as the psilocybin melting point is around 190.C it isn´t a problem.

Well, according to Wikipedia (I know, not the best source, but I think we can trust it on this one) methanol's BP is 64.7 C or 148.4 F. It just can't get to 100 C unless you superheat the vapors. Just make sure to dry the methanol with MGSO4 first.

And make sure to buy a couple bags of ice. Running out in the middle of a reaction is a son of a bitch that you don't wanna deal with.

Quote:

My doubt is: The alkaloids are in solution or are the crystals? I have no way to analyse it ATM =/

Huh? The alkaloids are the crystals. They should still be in solution as long as you don't evaporate the solvent.

P4ulada · 10-07-09, 19:18

The crystals? Right hehe
I´ll re-crystalize it with pure ethanol, just to keep safe of metanol traces...
Thinking on recover all I can to the solution...let´s go huhu let´s see what happens ~^

Thanks for the help

KTBR · 10-07-09, 20:07

there is a great thread on this its the PF TEK "crystals of the gods" i cant post it here because its from another forum and i sont want to disrespect hippe or any other Mods soo with that said feel free to pm me or send me an e-mail at klosetbreeder@hotmail.com

P4ulada · 10-07-09, 21:13

Nice bro, thanks for the help

Soliver · 10-09-09, 22:36

Updates?

soliver

Thre365ive · 10-10-09, 00:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by P4ulada

The crystals? Right hehe
I´ll re-crystalize it with pure ethanol, just to keep safe of metanol traces...
Thinking on recover all I can to the solution...let´s go huhu let´s see what happens ~^

Thanks for the help

I would add some ethanol to the methanol solution and slowly evap the methanol off. You should be able to smell when it's gone, methanol is disticntly sweet. Methanol's BP is also lower than ethanol. Go maybe 10-20 ml past the point where you can smell the methanol is gone and you should be good.

Disclaimer: I am drunk. I could be completely wrong, and in this case it could kill you if I were. At the moment, I do think the theory is sound, though.

P4ulada · 10-10-09, 08:47

hueauheah nice bro
I think I don´t like to smell metanol =P
I´m planning to use a vacuum to take of the metanol, so I can add some ethanol, to keep it safe from to much water/O2.

Soliver, it´s on freezer, just because I´ve to travel right now

When I come back I´ll filter it, wash one more time (extracting from the filter paper) and then I´ll store it on ethanol, before the test drive =P

TVCasualty · 10-10-09, 11:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thre365ive

Huh? The alkaloids are the crystals. They should still be in solution as long as you don't evaporate the solvent.

All the crystals I've managed to get out of solutions have been sugars. Tasted sweet but conferred no trip. They form as the solvent evaps off, and I filtered them out but did not evap all the solvent since I was using Everclear and wanted to keep the magic in solution due to it's shorter shelf life if exposed to oxygen. I guess more crystals may have formed had I evapped the rest of the solvent, but for me the first batch of crystals that precip out have always been sugars.

P4ulada · 10-13-09, 13:28

oh =/
it´s because the total evaporation of the crystals?
I heard that they´re ultra sensible to O2...I´ll be carefully.
I´m planning on evapp the solvent under vacuum, so O2 isn´t too problematic with this procedure.
Let´s see what happens...I have no sure of nothing yet hehe

whatchamacallit · 10-13-09, 14:50

SWIM can confirm the crystals are not active, but the brownish goo that is left on them is. However, that goo degrades very quickly without staying dissolved in at least a small amount of alcohol.

P4ulada · 10-13-09, 17:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by whatchamacallit

SWIM can confirm the crystals are not active, but the brownish goo that is left on them is. However, that goo degrades very quickly without staying dissolved in at least a small amount of alcohol.

Nice too read it

I´ll let it on solution =]

Thanx

Soliver · 10-16-09, 19:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by TVCasualty

All the crystals I've managed to get out of solutions have been sugars. Tasted sweet but conferred no trip. They form as the solvent evaps off, and I filtered them out but did not evap all the solvent since I was using Everclear and wanted to keep the magic in solution due to it's shorter shelf life if exposed to oxygen. I guess more crystals may have formed had I evapped the rest of the solvent, but for me the first batch of crystals that precip out have always been sugars.

My experience as well.

I evap'd crystals from everclear completely once. No dice.
Even logged into chat and smoked a bowl of them, by request
from a member (I think I've been in chat three times in my life).

All the chem talk makes me wonder if this process is any different,
in the long run, than the simple everclear soak?

Too late either way, it sounds, as you can't ingest that stuff without
cleaning it up, but one more voice in the hall certainly can't hurt

soliver

Calaquendi · 10-16-09, 19:58

Hey y'all - Found this - http://www.lycaeum.org/mv/mu/pkeffec...xtraction.html - looks very straightforward.

Rhyno · 10-16-09, 20:22

P4ulada · 10-16-09, 23:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by Calaquendi

Hey y'all - Found this - http://www.lycaeum.org/mv/mu/pkeffect/_pkeffect_psilo_extraction.html - looks very straightforward.

Wow, thanx bro! Nice tek they have there ^^
Thank you so much =]

Hey Soliver, if it was extracted by everclear you can ingest without clean, but not if it was extracted by methanol...
I thinks if you smoke it you can degrade the magic, psilocybin´s melting point is around 190.C, but it´s is teorically... =P

copelandiaKidd · 10-16-09, 23:35

thanx for that!!!!!

TVCasualty · 10-17-09, 07:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Calaquendi

Hey y'all - Found this - http://www.lycaeum.org/mv/mu/pkeffect/_pkeffect_psilo_extraction.html - looks very straightforward.

Weird. I'm skeptical; if that was published in 2003 and he vaporized Everclear-extracted crystals and says they produced a comparable rush to DMT, then why aren't we all vaporizing our mushroom extracts here in 2009?

Unless psilocybin tastes just like sugar, my Everclear extracts aren't working if I take them all the way to dry crystals.

TVCasualty · 10-17-09, 07:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Soliver

Even logged into chat and smoked a bowl of them, by request
from a member (I think I've been in chat three times in my life).

That's taking one for the team! How did your pipe or whatever taste after smoking sugar through it?

I'm not really into chat rooms either. It's too easy for me to get talked into something on the spur of the moment that I would most likely regret later...

Achtwan · 10-17-09, 10:35

hi guys .
for the record,the tek @ erowid does in fact work.
it was performed in my kitchen.
simple evevclear hot water bath,extracts combined,reduced
to around 60-100ml ,placed in the freezer,and little cube shaped crystals
fell out.
i am summarizing here.also,the results were vaporized,in a glass pipe(dmt style)

here follows the full link,and some comments from dr shulgin on the matter.
just trying to get accurate info on the subject out there.

http://deoxy.org/wiki/Mushrooms/Alkaloid_Extraction

oh yeah,forgot to mention,i think the reason fro the very good results experienced,was due to the fact that
the solvent(puregrain) was never evapped completely.the crystals were plucked out of the solution,then used.

peace.

Achtwan · 10-17-09, 11:41

hmm...i just read your post a little more carefuly there t.v.
sounds like you were doing the same way.
i suppose there is an ''x factor" somewhere here.
i dont know.im no where close to being properly versed in chemistry.
but i do know that the crystals that were harvested from this
outing back in 03 were active.
certainly makes me scratch my head to...

hmmm...

Soliver · 10-18-09, 17:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Achtwan

the solvent(puregrain) was never evapped completely.the crystals were plucked out of the solution,then used.

peace.

Must be a ghost in the machine somewhere, for I did the exact same thing
and nothing happened whatsoever.

I guess this comes down to an essential question:

Are those crystals psilly, or are they sugars? Mine certainly seem to have
been, and continue to be, sugars.

Why yours were active, and why the
psilly seems to have been active beyond its (perhaps arguable) degradation
point, thermally speaking, is anyone's guess, but until I hear more folks
reporting success using this tek, I say "bunk."

Not that this is scientific proof by any stretch, but it would seem to me that
if a "DMT like" experience was available to the home shroom grower
without all that annoying DMT basing / acidifying / extraction mess, then
we'd have heard more voices on it by now?

Hmmm...

soliver

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10-06-09, 14:15	#1 (permalink)
P4ulada Mycotopiate Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 696	Extraction, "Erowid Tek" FOAF have been drying some shrooms on a CaCl2 chamber, but now he saw that the CaCl2 is very old (almost liquid) so he can´t recover it =/ Because of it, some shrooms on drying process get cobweb He had dunk the shrooms in a H2O2 solution and put it in front of a fanner. 2 days left, they was pratically cracker dry, so he had decided to do a extraction process wich he had saw Solvents: Pure Metanol (P.A) Little amount of Anidrous Etanol, ascorbic acid and vinegar =] Right now Turbilhão.avi

10-06-09, 14:17	#2 (permalink)
Om shanti S.W.I.M. in H.POO Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,297	Good luck, hope it works!! :-) __________________ The most important thing is to find out what is the most important thing.-S. Suzuki

10-06-09, 14:43	#3 (permalink)
Faithjuice Mycophiliac Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 57	That sounds pretty cool Here is a reminder of the safety data for methol. Safety data for methyl alcohol Click here for data on methyl alcohol in student-friendly format, from the HSci project Glossary of terms on this data sheet. The information on this web page is provided to help you to work safely, but it is intended to be an overview of hazards, not a replacement for a full Material Safety Data Sheet (MSDS). MSDS forms can be downloaded from the web sites of many chemical suppliers. General Synonyms: methanol, carbinol, colonial spirit, columbian spirit, methylol, methyl hydrate, wood alcohol, wood naphtha, wood spirit, methyl hydroxide, pyroxylic spirit, RCRA waste number U154, meths Molecular formula: CH3OH CAS No: 67-56-1 EC No: 200-659-6 Annex I Index No: 603-001-00-X Physical data Appearance: colourless liquid with a characteristic odour Melting point: -98 C Boiling point: 64.7 C Vapour density: 1.1 Vapour pressure: 97.7 mm at 20 C Specific gravity: 0.791 Flash point: 11 C Explosion limits: 6% - 36 % Autoignition temperature: 464 C Stability Stable. May react violently with acids, acid chlorides, acid anhydrides, oxidizing agents, reducing agents and alkali metals. Protect from moisture. Highly flammable. Toxicology Toxic by inhalation, ingestion or skin absorption. May be a reproductive hazard. Ingestion may be fatal. Risk of very serious, irreversible damage if swallowed. Exposure may cause eye, kidney, heart and liver damage. Chronic or substantial acute exposure may cause serious eye damage, including blindness. Irritant. Narcotic. UK exposure limits: long-term 200 ppm, short term 250 ppm. Toxicity data (The meaning of any abbreviations which appear in this section is given here.) ORL-HMN LDLO 428 mg kg-1 ORL-MAN LDLO 6422 mg kg-1 UNR-MAN LDLO 868 mg kg-1 ORL-RAT LD50 5628 mg kg-1 IHL-RAT LC50 83 mg/l. IPR-RBT LD50 1826 mg kg-1 IPR-RAT LD50 9540 mg kg-1 ORL-MUS LD50 7300 mg kg-1 Risk phrases (The meaning of any risk phrases which appear in this section is given here.) R11 R23 R24 R25 R39. Transport information (The meaning of any UN hazard codes which appear in this section is given here.) UN No 1230. Packing group II. Hazard class 3 (6.1) Personal protection Safety glasses. Effective ventilation. Within the UK this material must be assessed under the COSHH regulations. Safety phrases (The meaning of any safety phrases which appear in this section is given here.) S7 S16 S24 S36 S37 S45 [Return to Physical & Theoretical Chemistry Lab. Safety home page.]

10-07-09, 12:18	#7 (permalink)
Myc El Jardinero Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 2,041	Finally!! Finally a serious discussion on this subject! At least I hope so. It appears from the nature of your posts that you have ready access to lab or lab-grade apparatus. So you will be able to do chromatography and quantify the results?? We might actually be able to put psilocin/psilocybin diy extractions to bed for good! __________________ "...we'd like to help you learn to help yourself..."

10-06-09, 14:59	#4 (permalink)
P4ulada Mycotopiate Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 696	Ow, thanks bro (I saw it, but it´s always good to have in mind) =]

10-07-09, 07:49	#6 (permalink)
P4ulada Mycotopiate Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 696	Uh, filter the ppt ^^ I have a doubt: My alkaloids are in solution or is this the crystals? I´ll keep both, if it´s the white solid I´ll filter and recrystalize, if don´t I´ll do a cromatographic colunm ^^

10-07-09, 12:19	#8 (permalink)
Thre365ive Alchemycologist Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 359	If you reflux that gently for about 4 hours, you'll get much better results. You can use an old coffee percolator with some ice on top as a reflux condenser. Just be careful, because psilocybin crystals oxidize very easily when exposed to air. I had a batch that was only good for a couple hours once, although it was very clean. __________________ I stared God in the face and asked his name. He tickled me from the tips of my toes to the tip of my head. I knew that it didn't matter.

10-07-09, 19:18	#11 (permalink)
P4ulada Mycotopiate Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 696	The crystals? Right hehe I´ll re-crystalize it with pure ethanol, just to keep safe of metanol traces... Thinking on recover all I can to the solution...let´s go huhu let´s see what happens ~^ Thanks for the help

10-07-09, 20:07	#12 (permalink)
KTBR Mycophiliac Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 15	there is a great thread on this its the PF TEK "crystals of the gods" i cant post it here because its from another forum and i sont want to disrespect hippe or any other Mods soo with that said feel free to pm me or send me an e-mail at klosetbreeder@hotmail.com

10-07-09, 21:13	#13 (permalink)
P4ulada Mycotopiate Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 696	Nice bro, thanks for the help

10-09-09, 22:36	#14 (permalink)
Soliver Deviant Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,784	Updates? soliver

10-10-09, 08:47	#16 (permalink)
P4ulada Mycotopiate Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 696	hueauheah nice bro I think I don´t like to smell metanol =P I´m planning to use a vacuum to take of the metanol, so I can add some ethanol, to keep it safe from to much water/O2. Soliver, it´s on freezer, just because I´ve to travel right now When I come back I´ll filter it, wash one more time (extracting from the filter paper) and then I´ll store it on ethanol, before the test drive =P

10-13-09, 13:28	#18 (permalink)
P4ulada Mycotopiate Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 696	oh =/ it´s because the total evaporation of the crystals? I heard that they´re ultra sensible to O2...I´ll be carefully. I´m planning on evapp the solvent under vacuum, so O2 isn´t too problematic with this procedure. Let´s see what happens...I have no sure of nothing yet hehe

10-13-09, 14:50	#19 (permalink)
whatchamacallit Deadhead Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,168	SWIM can confirm the crystals are not active, but the brownish goo that is left on them is. However, that goo degrades very quickly without staying dissolved in at least a small amount of alcohol. __________________ I'm addicted to placebos, I could quit but it wouldn't matter.. http://deadvids.com/dv3 24/7 Dead Videos with a chatroom!

10-16-09, 19:58	#22 (permalink)
Calaquendi Firstborn Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 406	Hey y'all - Found this - http://www.lycaeum.org/mv/mu/pkeffec...xtraction.html - looks very straightforward. __________________ " I am You and what I see is Me..."

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10-16-09, 23:35	#25 (permalink)
copelandiaKidd Void Of Boundaries Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 578	thanx for that!!!!! __________________ "LEARN THE RULES SO YOU CAN BREAK THEM PROPERLY" -The Dali lama "i don't care if it eats my cat, as long as the damn thing fruits"~ prism

10-17-09, 10:35	#28 (permalink)
Achtwan Sovereign Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 39	hi guys . for the record,the tek @ erowid does in fact work. it was performed in my kitchen. simple evevclear hot water bath,extracts combined,reduced to around 60-100ml ,placed in the freezer,and little cube shaped crystals fell out. i am summarizing here.also,the results were vaporized,in a glass pipe(dmt style) here follows the full link,and some comments from dr shulgin on the matter. just trying to get accurate info on the subject out there. http://deoxy.org/wiki/Mushrooms/Alkaloid_Extraction oh yeah,forgot to mention,i think the reason fro the very good results experienced,was due to the fact that the solvent(puregrain) was never evapped completely.the crystals were plucked out of the solution,then used. peace. __________________ " Raise your fears and cast them all away "

10-17-09, 11:41	#29 (permalink)
Achtwan Sovereign Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 39	hmm...i just read your post a little more carefuly there t.v. sounds like you were doing the same way. i suppose there is an ''x factor" somewhere here. i dont know.im no where close to being properly versed in chemistry. but i do know that the crystals that were harvested from this outing back in 03 were active. certainly makes me scratch my head to... hmmm... __________________ " Raise your fears and cast them all away "

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