Pan Cyan bulk sub?

[MycoRunner]

So I'm finally trying my hand at Pan Cyans!

I am planning on using WayLit's tek. I started an LC and it was so successful I went ahead and inoculated a bag of rye. Assuming all goes well, can I use WayLits recipe in a small tub and spawn the rye to it? (The recipe is BRF, Verm and Hpoo, which I'm substituting with worm castings).

I wasn't sure if the tek is meant specifically for using in jars.

Simple question really, any advice?

Also, I am totally open to trying other recipes, but I only have these ingredients to work with: worm castings, coir, vermiculite, BRF. Don't tell me to find Hpoo because I just can't get it where I live!

Thanks!

[kcmoxtractor]

That tek is jar specific. Check this thread for more info -----> http://forums.mycotopia.net/fungi-gr...cyan-teks.html (Pan Cyan teks...)

And here is the link to the exotic dung lovers vault -----> http://forums.mycotopia.net/exotic-m...ers-pan-cyans/

Have fun and be safe!

[MycoRunner]

thanks for the links. I didn't see anything about a specific recipe though.

I saw some saying they used verm/straw/worm castings and coir, but there were no ratios and I don't have straw.

So I'm thinking that a combination of coir, worm castings and verm would probably work. Any input?

[MycoRunner]

Bump....

[waylitjim]

If you have a bag of rye colonized, I'd suggest spawning a tub of bulk substrate. As your substrate you can use straw, manure, castings, coir, or a combination. A 1/4 ratio of spawn to substrate should ensure rapid colonization. Good luck!

[P4ulada]

Originally Posted by waylitjim

If you have a bag of rye colonized, I'd suggest spawning a tub of bulk substrate. As your substrate you can use straw, manure, castings, coir, or a combination. A 1/4 ratio of spawn to substrate should ensure rapid colonization. Good luck!

Hey master, 1:4 spawn:subs or 1:4 subs:spawn? I guest is the first, right? Because pans myc are not strong as the cubies...

[Irishlion]

I like the one part spawn 2 parts sub, that is for every jar of spawn you would use 2 jars of sub, and the subs I have found for pans is 50 horse shit and 50 finely chopped straw or 50 composted cow shit, 35 straw and 15 fine verm (which I have the best results using cow shit with pans) and for the casing I use 50 cactus soil mix and 50 fine verm (which I hydrate and then put in a quart jar and sterlize at 15 psi for 90 minutes) then allow to cool and apply to the sub, approxmently 1/8 to 1/4" thick but, you don't want it any thicker than 1/4" and you must fan it alot, probally 5 to 6 times a day atleast.


Hope this helps.

[MycoRunner]

Originally Posted by waylitjim

If you have a bag of rye colonized, I'd suggest spawning a tub of bulk substrate. As your substrate you can use straw, manure, castings, coir, or a combination. A 1/4 ratio of spawn to substrate should ensure rapid colonization. Good luck!

Cool, so I think I'll try 50% castings, 40% verm and 10% coir. Sound good? I just pulled those numbers outta thin air tho...

[kcmoxtractor]

Mix some up and see if it's fluffy and airy. The recipes Irish mentions seem to be a nice and fluffy texture that would be able to breathe easily. You want this sub to retain water yet still be able to breathe.

Maybe consider running your castings through a screen? My experience with castings showed that it can get fairly dense if you put pressure on it while they are very wet.

[MycoRunner]

Originally Posted by kcmoxtractor

Mix some up and see if it's fluffy and airy. The recipes Irish mentions seem to be a nice and fluffy texture that would be able to breathe easily. You want this sub to retain water yet still be able to breathe.

Maybe consider running your castings through a screen? My experience with castings showed that it can get fairly dense if you put pressure on it while they are very wet.

I was wondering if castings might get dense. Maybe less castings, more verm? Also, is coir fluffy and help with aeration when hydrated, like verm does?

[spacecake]

Coir works great,and gives it a nice texture...

[Irishlion]

Originally Posted by MycoRunner

I was wondering if castings might get dense. Maybe less castings, more verm? Also, is coir fluffy and help with aeration when hydrated, like verm does?

IME with pans Dung works alot better than castings.

[MycoRunner]

Originally Posted by Irishlion

IME with pans Dung works alot better than castings.

I've been hearing that a lot. I just lucked out and found bagged cow manure in a florist shop. Can I use that? That's the closest I'm going to get to hpoo.

[Irishlion]

Originally Posted by MycoRunner

I've been hearing that a lot. I just lucked out and found bagged cow manure in a florist shop. Can I use that? That's the closest I'm going to get to hpoo.

Actually If its well composted and doesn't have any urine smell or pine woodchips it will work Supremly well.

Heres the Mixture I use for my bagged cowmanure subs and also here is a thread of a gorw I did using bagged cowmanure

The sub ingredients are

1 quart chopped straw
1/2 quart fine verm
1 quart quart Bag composted cow manure

So thats
one part chopped straw
one half part fine verm (or mediium)
one part bagged cowmanure

this works very very very well in my expereince

And here is the thread shoing the bagged cowmanure grow

http://forums.mycotopia.net/fungi-gr...-lipa-yai.html (Bagged Cow manure compost and Thia Lipa Yai)

[MycoRunner]

Thanks so much IrishLion!

I'll go ahead and get the cow manure, and then it's just a waiting game for the rye to finish colonizing. I don't have straw and I doubt that my roomies are going to appreciate a straw bale and me pasteurizing it in our apartment. I will have to experiment, and perhaps using coir would help as it has nutrients and would help fluff up the substrate like straw does?

Also, as far as the spawn:substrate ratio goes, I was thinking of doing something like 1:2, maybe 1:3, spawn to sub respectively. I'm growing Pan cyans and if I understand correctly the mycelia is a bit less tenacious than that of the furious cubes'.

[Irishlion]

Originally Posted by MycoRunner

Thanks so much IrishLion!

I'll go ahead and get the cow manure, and then it's just a waiting game for the rye to finish colonizing. I don't have straw and I doubt that my roomies are going to appreciate a straw bale and me pasteurizing it in our apartment. I will have to experiment, and perhaps using coir would help as it has nutrients and would help fluff up the substrate like straw does?

Also, as far as the spawn:substrate ratio goes, I was thinking of doing something like 1:2, maybe 1:3, spawn to sub respectively. I'm growing Pan cyans and if I understand correctly the mycelia is a bit less tenacious than that of the furious cubes'.

actually pan mycelium is qute aggressive but, very fragile. Or atleast IME it is, yeah you could substitute the coir for straw, (you can buy already chopped wheat straw from hip) but, in that case I would add some medium grade verm, maybe 10 percent more. So it would be 50 cow/25 coir/25 verm. I perfer to use 1 part spawn to 2 parts sub, it colonizes very quick and it fruits very well and with cow I get like 6 to 8 flushes and thats no lie and I haven't had one sub of the cow contamn yet. Knock on wood. just run out of steam and die off.


P.S. Bro might not want to put your location on the Boards, divulging personal info is frowned upon here for your own protection. Just a friendly tip bro.

[MycoRunner]

got it, no more specifics... oops.

I think I'm going to go with that recipe, just like that. My verm is on the fine side, not so coarse, but I'll add more if the sub seems too dense.

[Irishlion]

Originally Posted by MycoRunner

got it, no more specifics... oops.

I think I'm going to go with that recipe, just like that. My verm is on the fine side, not so coarse, but I'll add more if the sub seems too dense.

remember you casing layer but, we will discuss that when its time for you to case once the subs fully colonized and while the sub is colonizing you will want to cover the sub completly after spawning with eother black plastic or some time foil and poak some holes in it about 1/8 hole one about ever 3 inches, this will protect the sub and keep you from loosing alot of moisture and also will allow it to breath, and I am sure this goes without saying but keep it in a dark warm spot all the time while colonizing and keep it at around 80, to 83 F while colonizing and the same for fruiting, pans like a bit warmer temps than cubies do.

[MycoRunner]

Cool, let's hope I get that far in the process! Like the new avatar. This forum is making me want to break out Diablo II again.

[P4ulada]

Originally Posted by Irishlion

remember you casing layer but, we will discuss that when its time for you to case once the subs fully colonized and while the sub is colonizing you will want to cover the sub completly after spawning with eother black plastic or some time foil and poak some holes in it about 1/8 hole one about ever 3 inches, this will protect the sub and keep you from loosing alot of moisture and also will allow it to breath, and I am sure this goes without saying but keep it in a dark warm spot all the time while colonizing and keep it at around 80, to 83 F while colonizing and the same for fruiting, pans like a bit warmer temps than cubies do.

Nice tips, held me too
I´ll follow this advices