k.oyster..need advice

zigan79 · 10-09-09, 07:35

i have 10 jars of king oyster ready to spawn.
i was wonder whats the best substrate for them?

sagiboy · 10-09-09, 08:07

been here?
http://forums.mycotopia.net/edible-medicinal-mushrooms/

trainwrecker · 10-09-09, 11:13

Your standard supplemented sawdust mix is the most common. I have seen good success with compost though as well. Also consider using a casing layer, just recently I started casing my blocks and have found it makes a big difference.

TastyBeverage · 10-09-09, 11:57

Oysters do well on anything with very high levels of cellulose, so wood fibers, dried grasses/straw, shredded newspaper will all work. I normally use shredded newspaper since it's free and a cool way to recycle. I have heard that oysters grown on straw don't taste as good, but i have not experienced this myself.

hyphaenation · 10-09-09, 12:28

Here's a link or two ...

http://forums.mycotopia.net/oyster-m...t=king+trumpet (Pleurotus eryngii [King Oyster AKA King Trumpet])

http://forums.mycotopia.net/edible-m...-shiitake.html (King Trumpet & Shiitake)

zigan79 · 10-10-09, 03:22

thanx, so iassum i can also use egg cardboard?

zodd · 10-10-09, 03:47

thats what im using in my current k oyster grow. straw is working well for me at the moment too.

edit: i mixed the cardboard with some coco coir for airiness.

hyphaenation · 10-10-09, 12:09

Oysters really like egg carton cardboard ...

zodd · 10-10-09, 12:20

hyphaenation is the man when it comes to working with card, but i found that cutting cardboard up into little pieces can be a real pain in the ass. it can also cause pretty nasty blisters.

so a good way to proccess lots of card is to soak the card in a plastic tub, with warm water, and then swoosh it around between your finger tips until soft. then if you want a smooth sub you could blend with a hand blender till its nice and pastey.
Next you need to drain it and then squeeze out all that extra moisture to get your field capacity rite. An old T shirt does this task well.

credit to hyphaenation for his pioneering puck tek work

http://forums.mycotopia.net/photo-ga...substrate.html (Puck Tek -- Pressed Substrate)

hyphaenation · 10-10-09, 12:33

Try a blender with soaked cardboard. It really rocks. You can mix it with whaterever you want and then pour it over a sieve screen to drain.

Unlimited things you can do with cardboard once you get working with it.

I noticed the grey egg carton type cardboard works especially good.

Lazlo · 10-10-09, 14:15

Oyster's grow well on a lot of substrates as mentioned. Even well weathered horse manure and compost works great as well. If you decide to use use paper or cardboard, use a lot. Make a big block so there's plenty of substrate weight to support a good flush.

http://forums.mycotopia.net/photo-ga...s-compost.html (King's on compost)

zigan79 · 10-10-09, 15:23

cheers..ill update soon

zigan79 · 10-12-09, 05:19

is chopped papers (a4) from agrinding mill will work properly?

PsyBearknot · 10-12-09, 06:44

Zigan

What did you use for spawn?
How did you noc them up?
Temp for colonization?

I have a print a fine member of this community gave me and I have made syringes out if the spores and for the life of me I can not get anything to start.

Thanks
PBK

zodd · 10-12-09, 07:10

chopped paper should be fine zigan. ill see if i can find a good tek that you may be interested in reading.

psy bearknot so far my ko's are doing great but this was from a clone. you might want to try working with some agar just so you can guarantee your grows. i use mea agar which king oysters seem to really like but i should think any nutritient rich substance should sustain growth. if it helps my kings were grown on rice cakes and spawned to straw.

pics so far.

think ill be harvesting these by tuesday

zodd · 10-12-09, 07:13

this is the one

http://forums.mycotopia.net/oyster-m...newspaper.html (Cultivating Oyster mushrooms on newspaper........)

zigan79 · 10-12-09, 08:43

okay,first i got a k.oyster from agrocery.
then i clone it straight to corn jars.
here is the tek i used:http://forums.mycotopia.net/fungi-gr...loneing-q.html (cloneing Q??)

after 100% colonize i did g2g transfer.
today i choped alot of cardboard,(soke them 24h) and llatterlyl mix it up with som coir and verm,to get the substrait more fluffy.
here is my Colony:
i did the same thing exactly with shimeji mushroom

zodd · 10-12-09, 08:48

im working with shimeji too, so i will be interested to see your results
good luck

zodd · 10-12-09, 12:31

this may be of use to you as well i just used it to help diagnose a gas exchange problem in my green house

http://forums.mycotopia.net/faq-freq...world-com.html (Mushroom Growers' Handbook 1 by MushWorld.com)

P4ulada · 10-13-09, 12:16

Nice zodd´s king oyter clone will be my next growth huhu
Nice thread, ultra informative =P

zigan79 · 10-14-09, 02:33

so this morning i spawned my substrate bags,after Pasteurization.
i spawn 2 bags with the king oyster and one tub with the sam substrate
for the shimeji.

i only got left this two bags,and i truly love working with them.
i need a good Supplier that i can trust to send it across the sea.thanx.

Shroomzion · 10-14-09, 03:32

why not use oven bags that you can get locally?
the one's i use are very good and can last the PC at 15psi.
its the better brand as far as oven bags, and you can get it in verious sizes...
the brand is "NIKOL" check it out, you night dinf you like them...

zigan79 · 10-14-09, 04:59

thanx zion. i know those oven bags.
i haved use them already.
but some time they tending to get torn where the corner glued.
moreover they dont have built-in filter.
but they do works okay some time.
cheers mate

TastyBeverage · 10-14-09, 11:43

It's not very difficult to make home made filters for bags... you just need some RTV II silicone, tyvek, and packing tape. Cut out the hole where you want your filter (be careful not to do sharp angles as this can make a weak point for the plastic to tear at) make a thin line around the outside of the hole on the outside of the bag with the silicone, then paste on your cut-to-fit tyvek filter patch. Let it cure over night, then secure the edges with the packing tape so that the silicone doesn't peel off of the plastic while you're handling the bag.

Easy to make an injection port too-- put a glob of silicone on the bag, let it cure then put a piece of tape over it.

You can get RTV II silicone at any hardware store.

Zozo · 10-14-09, 14:14

well well very interesting
so I will pick a chair

peace
zozo

zigan79 · 10-17-09, 07:22

i was wondering if i can use hydrogen peroxide 50% instead of bleach?
also i can use Sodium hypochlorite if i understand right?
mmm...maybe Sodium hypochlorite is actually bleach?

hyphaenation · 10-17-09, 14:09

Korean news report on Eryngii.

This woman gets very excited about KT oysters !

zigan79 · 10-18-09, 15:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by zigan79

i was wondering if i can use hydrogen peroxide 50% instead of bleach?
also i can use Sodium hypochlorite if i understand right?
mmm...maybe Sodium hypochlorite is actually bleach?

zodd · 10-18-09, 16:29

why cant you find bleach? im not sure but i think i remember something about sodium hypo chlorite being the active ingredient in bleach don’t quote me on that though. You should be able to find bleach at virtually any supermarket or hard wear store. failing that you could allways give the paper a hot water pasteurisation.

Zozo · 10-19-09, 03:30

Can't find bleach ? is all over there are like 20 kind in every supermarket ?

peace
zozo

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10-09-09, 07:35	#1 (permalink)
zigan79 Mycophage Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 113	k.oyster..need advice i have 10 jars of king oyster ready to spawn. i was wonder whats the best substrate for them?

10-09-09, 08:07	#2 (permalink)
sagiboy -= Magic Passion =- Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 791	been here? http://forums.mycotopia.net/edible-medicinal-mushrooms/ __________________ "when you don`t know where you going any road will take you there..."

10-09-09, 11:13	#3 (permalink)
trainwrecker Spreader of the spores Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 49	Your standard supplemented sawdust mix is the most common. I have seen good success with compost though as well. Also consider using a casing layer, just recently I started casing my blocks and have found it makes a big difference. __________________ Arriba la Luna ohea

10-09-09, 11:57	#4 (permalink)
TastyBeverage thirsty for more Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 2,482	Oysters do well on anything with very high levels of cellulose, so wood fibers, dried grasses/straw, shredded newspaper will all work. I normally use shredded newspaper since it's free and a cool way to recycle. I have heard that oysters grown on straw don't taste as good, but i have not experienced this myself. __________________ Why do little blue men hit me with fish?

10-09-09, 12:28	#5 (permalink)
hyphaenation Puck Teknician Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 5,646	Here's a link or two ... http://forums.mycotopia.net/oyster-m...t=king+trumpet (Pleurotus eryngii [King Oyster AKA King Trumpet]) http://forums.mycotopia.net/edible-m...-shiitake.html (King Trumpet & Shiitake) __________________ We're just flying by the seed of our plants.

10-10-09, 03:22	#6 (permalink)
zigan79 Mycophage Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 113	thanx, so iassum i can also use egg cardboard?

10-10-09, 03:47	#7 (permalink)
zodd Maniacal Laughter Mwahaa! Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 584	thats what im using in my current k oyster grow. straw is working well for me at the moment too. edit: i mixed the cardboard with some coco coir for airiness. __________________ who would win between a monkey and a dog?

10-10-09, 12:09	#8 (permalink)
hyphaenation Puck Teknician Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 5,646	Oysters really like egg carton cardboard ... __________________ We're just flying by the seed of our plants.

10-10-09, 12:20	#9 (permalink)
zodd Maniacal Laughter Mwahaa! Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 584	hyphaenation is the man when it comes to working with card, but i found that cutting cardboard up into little pieces can be a real pain in the ass. it can also cause pretty nasty blisters. so a good way to proccess lots of card is to soak the card in a plastic tub, with warm water, and then swoosh it around between your finger tips until soft. then if you want a smooth sub you could blend with a hand blender till its nice and pastey. Next you need to drain it and then squeeze out all that extra moisture to get your field capacity rite. An old T shirt does this task well. credit to hyphaenation for his pioneering puck tek work http://forums.mycotopia.net/photo-ga...substrate.html (Puck Tek -- Pressed Substrate) __________________ who would win between a monkey and a dog?

10-10-09, 12:33	#10 (permalink)
hyphaenation Puck Teknician Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 5,646	Try a blender with soaked cardboard. It really rocks. You can mix it with whaterever you want and then pour it over a sieve screen to drain. Unlimited things you can do with cardboard once you get working with it. I noticed the grey egg carton type cardboard works especially good. __________________ We're just flying by the seed of our plants.

10-10-09, 14:15	#11 (permalink)
Lazlo old hand Join Date: Mar 1970 Posts: 7,591	Oyster's grow well on a lot of substrates as mentioned. Even well weathered horse manure and compost works great as well. If you decide to use use paper or cardboard, use a lot. Make a big block so there's plenty of substrate weight to support a good flush. http://forums.mycotopia.net/photo-ga...s-compost.html (King's on compost) __________________ How can you have any pudding, if you don't eat your MEAT?

10-10-09, 15:23	#12 (permalink)
zigan79 Mycophage Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 113	cheers..ill update soon

10-12-09, 05:19	#13 (permalink)
zigan79 Mycophage Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 113	is chopped papers (a4) from agrinding mill will work properly?

10-12-09, 06:44	#14 (permalink)
PsyBearknot earthbound misfit, I Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 363	Zigan What did you use for spawn? How did you noc them up? Temp for colonization? I have a print a fine member of this community gave me and I have made syringes out if the spores and for the life of me I can not get anything to start. Thanks PBK __________________ Standing alone my senses reeled A fatal attraction holding me fast, how Can I escape this irresistible grasp?

10-12-09, 07:10	#15 (permalink)
zodd Maniacal Laughter Mwahaa! Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 584	chopped paper should be fine zigan. ill see if i can find a good tek that you may be interested in reading. psy bearknot so far my ko's are doing great but this was from a clone. you might want to try working with some agar just so you can guarantee your grows. i use mea agar which king oysters seem to really like but i should think any nutritient rich substance should sustain growth. if it helps my kings were grown on rice cakes and spawned to straw. pics so far. think ill be harvesting these by tuesday __________________ who would win between a monkey and a dog?

10-12-09, 07:13	#16 (permalink)
zodd Maniacal Laughter Mwahaa! Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 584	this is the one http://forums.mycotopia.net/oyster-m...newspaper.html (Cultivating Oyster mushrooms on newspaper........) __________________ who would win between a monkey and a dog?

10-12-09, 08:43	#17 (permalink)
zigan79 Mycophage Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 113	okay,first i got a k.oyster from agrocery. then i clone it straight to corn jars. here is the tek i used:http://forums.mycotopia.net/fungi-gr...loneing-q.html (cloneing Q??) after 100% colonize i did g2g transfer. today i choped alot of cardboard,(soke them 24h) and llatterlyl mix it up with som coir and verm,to get the substrait more fluffy. here is my Colony: i did the same thing exactly with shimeji mushroom Attached Thumbnails

10-12-09, 08:48	#18 (permalink)
zodd Maniacal Laughter Mwahaa! Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 584	im working with shimeji too, so i will be interested to see your results good luck __________________ who would win between a monkey and a dog?

10-12-09, 12:31	#19 (permalink)
zodd Maniacal Laughter Mwahaa! Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 584	this may be of use to you as well i just used it to help diagnose a gas exchange problem in my green house http://forums.mycotopia.net/faq-freq...world-com.html (Mushroom Growers' Handbook 1 by MushWorld.com) __________________ who would win between a monkey and a dog?

10-13-09, 12:16	#20 (permalink)
P4ulada Mycotopiate Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 696	Nice zodd´s king oyter clone will be my next growth huhu Nice thread, ultra informative =P

10-14-09, 02:33	#21 (permalink)
zigan79 Mycophage Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 113	so this morning i spawned my substrate bags,after Pasteurization. i spawn 2 bags with the king oyster and one tub with the sam substrate for the shimeji. i only got left this two bags,and i truly love working with them. i need a good Supplier that i can trust to send it across the sea.thanx. Attached Thumbnails

10-14-09, 03:32	#22 (permalink)
Shroomzion Under The Influence Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 82	why not use oven bags that you can get locally? the one's i use are very good and can last the PC at 15psi. its the better brand as far as oven bags, and you can get it in verious sizes... the brand is "NIKOL" check it out, you night dinf you like them...

10-14-09, 04:59	#23 (permalink)
zigan79 Mycophage Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 113	thanx zion. i know those oven bags. i haved use them already. but some time they tending to get torn where the corner glued. moreover they dont have built-in filter. but they do works okay some time. cheers mate

10-14-09, 11:43	#24 (permalink)
TastyBeverage thirsty for more Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 2,482	It's not very difficult to make home made filters for bags... you just need some RTV II silicone, tyvek, and packing tape. Cut out the hole where you want your filter (be careful not to do sharp angles as this can make a weak point for the plastic to tear at) make a thin line around the outside of the hole on the outside of the bag with the silicone, then paste on your cut-to-fit tyvek filter patch. Let it cure over night, then secure the edges with the packing tape so that the silicone doesn't peel off of the plastic while you're handling the bag. Easy to make an injection port too-- put a glob of silicone on the bag, let it cure then put a piece of tape over it. You can get RTV II silicone at any hardware store. __________________ Why do little blue men hit me with fish?

10-14-09, 14:14	#25 (permalink)
Zozo The green paladin Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 406	well well very interesting so I will pick a chair peace zozo __________________ My Grow logs

10-17-09, 07:22	#26 (permalink)
zigan79 Mycophage Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 113	i was wondering if i can use hydrogen peroxide 50% instead of bleach? also i can use Sodium hypochlorite if i understand right? mmm...maybe Sodium hypochlorite is actually bleach?

10-17-09, 14:09	#27 (permalink)
hyphaenation Puck Teknician Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 5,646	Korean news report on Eryngii. This woman gets very excited about KT oysters ! __________________ We're just flying by the seed of our plants.

10-18-09, 16:29	#29 (permalink)
zodd Maniacal Laughter Mwahaa! Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 584	why cant you find bleach? im not sure but i think i remember something about sodium hypo chlorite being the active ingredient in bleach don’t quote me on that though. You should be able to find bleach at virtually any supermarket or hard wear store. failing that you could allways give the paper a hot water pasteurisation. __________________ who would win between a monkey and a dog?

10-19-09, 03:30	#30 (permalink)
Zozo The green paladin Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 406	Can't find bleach ? is all over there are like 20 kind in every supermarket ? peace zozo __________________ My Grow logs

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