easy rye grain tek

[hunter420]

can anyone give me a thread about an easy rye grain method

[ishkaboo]

http://forums.mycotopia.net/holding-...-rye-prep.html (Quick step rye prep)

[hunter420]

everytime i boil my rye grain it fucking explodes and i only boil it for maybe 10 mins what should i do.. just sit it in water for 8 to 16 hrs and dry it then pc it? i dont know please help??????

[ishkaboo]

Originally Posted by hunter420

everytime i boil my rye grain it fucking explodes and i only boil it for maybe 10 mins what should i do.. just sit it in water for 8 to 16 hrs and dry it then pc it? i dont know please help??????

You shouldn't be boiling anything with the tek I posted.


Prep

PC

Cool

Noc

Spawn

That's it. I posted the simplest tek I can think of. Follow it to the T and you should be golden.

[marmy]

yeah, don't boil, just rinse and PC

[BuckarooBanzai]

Ya don't really want to hard/fast boil any grain you are trying to rehydrate.

With popcorn, you want just a very gentle simmer to avoid bursting the kernels.

[p2k1]

Put 1 cup dry rye into 1 quart jar straight out the bag
Put 2/3rds to 3/4ths of a cup of water into jar
Put tyvek in between jars inner and outer lid and screw outer lid down, cover innoculation hole with micropore tape.
Untighten the lid a quarter of turn for PCing and covr with tin foil.
PC or steam sterilize 90 minutes
As soon as they are cool tighten the lids then shake the containers to distribute moisture.
Easiest rye tek imaginable. No wasting time rinsing, soaking, simmering, draining, none of that nonsense which truly is unnecessary. Using this method you save the most time, do the least slave labour, and will end up with the exact same uniform moisture content in all of your jars

[wildburr]

the temp inside the PC @15psi is above 250 deg F. I use the same method of dry rye in the jar add H2O and PC for 90 min. Have only lost 2 or 3 jars out of hundreds. Never done steam sterilization, but if you have an autoclave it can be done. I do know microbiology well (my degree is in Biochemistry) and endospores do not survive at 250 geg F or above. Not trying to argue, just stating what I know to be true from experience as well as education.

[kcmoxtractor]

Yeah, I was saying that endospores die off at ~241F. 15 psi in your cooker is about 250F but it varies with elevation.

The dry rye definitely works well because the PC gets hot enough to kill the endospores, even without soaking. With fractional sterilization, soaking helps to kill more of the nasties in the first steaming.

[Shroomette]

Okay guys let's be civil about this. kcmoxtractor, I do understand where you are coming from. Although, everyone has there way of going about this hobbie and what works for them however, unconventional it is. Just Let hunter420 make his decision on what Tek that will work to his advantage. We all like to experiment from time to time.

[BuckarooBanzai]

Let me say first of all I don't work with rye. I don't like it. I like popcorn. That said...

I have worked extensively with steam sterilizing grains.

My experience has been that a single steam run on one day was not very likely to be successful. The contamination rates for a single steam treatment were very high.

My further experience has been that simmering to hydrate and then giving 60 minutes of steam for three consecutive days is extremely likely to result in sterile grains. I have successfully sterilized spawn bags of popcorn using a 3 day fractional sterilization cycle.

[BuckarooBanzai]

Originally Posted by p2k1

However, I have successfully steam sterilized rye grains as have others. I have done this by steaming 60 minutes, then 24-36 hours later steaming another 30.

That is fractional sterilization. You are just doing it for two days instead of three.

[rapture99]

thats alot of different teks

[kcmoxtractor]

Originally Posted by BuckarooBanzai

That is fractional sterilization. You are just doing it for two days instead of three.

Thanks Bucky. I don't know why he keeps on saying that he steams once, then in the next sentence that he does it multiple times. Which method do you use p2k1?

[blackout]

Originally Posted by kcmoxtractor

Steam sterilization cannot be accomplished in one run, stop saying that it can. Period. No argument, it cannot be done.

I believe it can, but it takes MANY hours to do. I have been reading up old textbooks online about it and have found it can take 5-5.5hours at 100C to kill the boutulism endospore, so I expect others can be killed, but it can take a long time.

I have some jars currently at ~96C for what will be about 60hours when finished. I will report back. I have had successful fractional sterilization grows and would recommend it, I have fractionally sterilized using a microwave too.

I think the long times for a single heating mean it is not economically viable for many people, so it is always dismissed as being so long it is infeasible. But it really suits me.

I also partially dry out my grains in the microwave, this means they absorb LC rapidly, possibly overtaking competitors completely. I am also experimenting with no heat sterilization, using bleach, and also trying a fermentation technique.

[LL78]

Any ideas on the water to grain ratio for milo and/or millet for straight pc'ing I used to have a sheet from before the internets and I'm trying to get back into the game. Any help would be greatly appreciated as I always had great success with my qt. jars

[LL78]

Originally Posted by LL78

Any ideas on the water to grain ratio for milo and/or millet for straight pc'ing I used to have a sheet from before the internets and I'm trying to get back into the game. Any help would be greatly appreciated as I always had great success with my qt. jars

seriously much apprec

[Shroomette]

Originally Posted by LL78

Any ideas on the water to grain ratio for milo and/or millet for straight pc'ing I used to have a sheet from before the internets and I'm trying to get back into the game. Any help would be greatly appreciated as I always had great success with my qt. jars

Make sure the grain is settled before adding the water. Try 2:1 ratio seeds to water

[blackout]

Originally Posted by LL78

Any ideas on the water to grain ratio for milo and/or millet for straight pc'ing

Sporeworks site has 100g millet to 80ml water. http://sporeworks.com/labnotes/ryetek.html

This was the site on boiling for hours for one particular endospore.
http://jb.asm.org/cgi/reprint/8/3/269.pdf

Two papers have been published by Weiss (1921a, 1921b)
which bear directly on the subject under discussion. He reported
that the free spores of Clostridium botulinum were destroyed
within five hours at 100C., within forty minutes at
105C., and within six minutes at 120°C. Weiss believed that
the spores were injured before death and that the death process
was a gradual one.

The most resistant spores were found to be
destroyed in less than five hours at 100°C. in the cultures which
had been exhausted to obtain a 17 mm. vacuum, and in five and
one-half hours in the open tubes

[LL78]

Originally Posted by blackout

Sporeworks site has 100g millet to 80ml water. http://sporeworks.com/labnotes/ryetek.html

Do you think this would work on a larger scale using the presealable bags from sporeworks?

[eatyualive]

first off. lets help the author of this thread. instead of arguing about bs. its a waste of time. get to the point and thats helping him find a tek that works. people do get by with grain by steaming. it works. or you can use an antibacterial grain soak. it works. pressure cookers are not necessary anymore. although life is much easier with a pressure cooker. and id advise anyone to use one. all american.




here is steaming using antibacterial grain soak.

http://forums.mycotopia.net/steriliz...xperiment.html (Antibacterial Grain Soak Experiment)

popcorn

http://forums.mycotopia.net/popcorn-...ent-right.html (Popcorn Jars - How to get water content right)




you could use this with wbs or rye grain and it works the same way.

http://forums.mycotopia.net/wild-bir...technique.html (Super fast and effective wbs/grain technique.)

i only do a 30 minute boiled water soak.

http://forums.mycotopia.net/holding-...out-lazlo.html (Lazlo's Grain Tek: check this out Lazlo)

ive tested it with rye grain with no issues. same method used with wbs.

Originally Posted by hunter420

everytime i boil my rye grain it fucking explodes and i only boil it for maybe 10 mins what should i do.. just sit it in water for 8 to 16 hrs and dry it then pc it? i dont know please help??????

never boil your grain like that. ever. you only want to bring it to a boil then reduce the heat. you want to either steep it or soak it. and yes some people do place the dry grain with water in the grain jars and pressure cook it. no straining, no rinsing. although i don't prefer that method it does work. but newbies often find it real tough to use methods like that. sometimes moisture content in grain can be a science.

u can do a boiled water soak


get a pot with water. big enough to fit your grain and water. bring the water to a rolling boil. then dump your grain into the water. turn the stove off or remove the pot from the stove and let it sit for 30 minutes. then strain for 30 mins and stick in your grain jars and pc for an hour.


or steep

or you can steep. place the grain with the water and bring it to a boil. then turn it to low and let it steep on low until you see one or two grains burst. usually no more than 15 mins. then strain it out. let it drain for about 30 mins in a strainer and then stick in your jars and pc an hour.