Way to inhibit fungal growth in stored wood chips?...

ethnobotanica · 10-28-09, 06:13

Hi everyone,

I'm wondering if there is some sort of bio-degradeable fungicide that i can spray onto woodchips to inhibit fungal growth during storage until spring.

Is there a way of keeping the wood "clean" without pastuerizing?

Its a large amount and It will be a big job pasturizing with hot water. (cannot overide water boiler to go above 60 o C )

Cheers Peeps

Faithjuice · 10-28-09, 07:50

Sorry I have no idea aboutYour first question, but I think 60°C is pretty dandy for pasteurisation. there are no spores or molds that can withstand that.

ethnobotanica · 10-28-09, 11:05

Thanks Faithjuice

Thats a relief, I thought I needed 70.

The wood already has some small bits of myc (unknown, probly not magic) so it def needs something done to it, was from an old-ish pile.

Would i then need to dry the wood, after pastuerizing, before storing it for the winter??

bugs · 10-28-09, 12:54

Chips should be stored dry.

I'll leave the pasteurizing question for the more knowledgeable, 'though I'd say yes, especially since something's already growing.

Would a thorough drying, say spreading the chips out in a sheltered place, do the job of killing off the growing stuff? At least enough to give a dose of spawn a chance to take 'hold before the competition sets in?

ethnobotanica · 10-28-09, 13:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by bugs

Would a thorough drying, say spreading the chips out in a sheltered place, do the job of killing off the growing stuff? At least enough to give a dose of spawn a chance to take 'hold before the competition sets in?

I had thought of that but to be honest the only place to leave chips drying is the garden and i would probably have to bring em in each night and only put em out if its dry, would take some time.

I actually reckon that a lot of my find is actually softwood

Burnt some and smelled it, was like pine.

I'm finding it really difficult to get hardwood of any sort where I am, except for beech chips as reptile bedding. Their not very good though, quite slow colonization, not fresh enough methinks.

Have looked for suppliers online as well.

I may have to hire a mulcher at this rate.

heritage ranch · 10-28-09, 13:36

in the forestry world we use rolls of craft paper to cover brush piles that we cut thru the year. the paper covering keeps most of the water off the piles while still letting it breath. we do this to dry out the piles over the summer and into the winter. then we go in and burn them. i would think if you had space to put a pile of your chips and covered it with the craft paper or somethng similar then the pile would stay dry and would breath so that it would discourage growth and decomp. depending on the size of the pile if you didnt want to buy a whole roll of the paper i linked then you could use a couple of brown paper bags or a cardboard box like from a fridge just open it up and lay over the pile put some rocks on the edges. i would think if we can dry out fresh cut brush, it would do a good job of keeping your chips dry

ethnobotanica · 10-28-09, 14:01

Cheers heritage, you've given me something to think about

bugs · 10-28-09, 16:05

justsmokedsalmon.com/Alder.htm

22 bucks a 20-pound bag. If I remember right, shipping wasn't too bad.

Bought some there a couple years ago. Chips worked well, outdoor patch didn't.

ethnobotanica · 10-29-09, 03:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by bugs

justsmokedsalmon.com/Alder.htm

22 bucks a 20-pound bag. If I remember right, shipping wasn't too bad.

Bought some there a couple years ago. Chips worked well, outdoor patch didn't.

I'm in ENGLAND, Any american links are a bit useless for me, thanks anyway

I am fully aware that you guys can get all the hardwood u need, plaese don't rub it in

Ben Dover · 10-29-09, 10:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethnobotanica

I'm in ENGLAND, Any american links are a bit useless for me, thanks anyway

I am fully aware that you guys can get all the hardwood u need, plaese don't rub it in

http://shop.ebay.co.uk/i.html?_nkw=w...king&_osacat=0

Of course you could just put wood chips in the search and get all kinds of wood.

I bet bugs didn't know you are in the UK so his intension were not to 'rub in' anything

Irishlion · 10-29-09, 12:04

why not try wood pellets like for pellet stoves, most of the pellets are made of hardwood or is hardand softwood, but, mostly hardwood as I understand it. maybe something you could look into?

hyphaenation · 10-29-09, 12:21

It's an economic thing for me. There's the big bags of Alder chips. Worth the investment and definitely the cats pjammas ... at a cost. Wood stove pellets will likely work good.

Then there's the free options. Making your own chips is great. You can get a small branch chipper and for years select your own specialty woods to chip. I've been doing this with great success.

The best thing i've found is free chips from piles made by the people that trim trees under powerlines. These peopel are desperate to get rid of these piles and will stash them anywhere around here , even the dump (where the lady said have at her and take all you want".

If you can get at these piles quick enough you can take dozens and dozens of totes worth away to your home where you you lay them out to dry and store.

The beauty of the powerline trimmed chips is that they are of all different sizes from small to large chip size. This is important to woodlovers. They thrive best on various sized chips.

Attached is a pic of my woodchipper. Beside it is Japanese Knotweed which works wonderfully with ps. woodlovers. It chips easily , is spongy , and makes an excellent spawn / sub-additive material for beds.

ethnobotanica · 10-31-09, 05:27

Cheers Hyph, I may have to invest in one of those machines methinks.

I'll look into japanese knotweed as well and see if it might be in my area.

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10-28-09, 06:13	#1 (permalink)
ethnobotanica Mycotopiate Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 683	Way to inhibit fungal growth in stored wood chips?... Hi everyone, I'm wondering if there is some sort of bio-degradeable fungicide that i can spray onto woodchips to inhibit fungal growth during storage until spring. Is there a way of keeping the wood "clean" without pastuerizing? Its a large amount and It will be a big job pasturizing with hot water. (cannot overide water boiler to go above 60 o C ) Cheers Peeps

10-28-09, 12:54	#4 (permalink)
bugs Dink Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 1,697	Chips should be stored dry. I'll leave the pasteurizing question for the more knowledgeable, 'though I'd say yes, especially since something's already growing. Would a thorough drying, say spreading the chips out in a sheltered place, do the job of killing off the growing stuff? At least enough to give a dose of spawn a chance to take 'hold before the competition sets in? __________________ Bagseed is like a box o' chocolates. Ya never know what you're gonna get.

10-28-09, 16:05	#8 (permalink)
bugs Dink Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 1,697	justsmokedsalmon.com/Alder.htm 22 bucks a 20-pound bag. If I remember right, shipping wasn't too bad. Bought some there a couple years ago. Chips worked well, outdoor patch didn't. __________________ Bagseed is like a box o' chocolates. Ya never know what you're gonna get.

10-29-09, 12:04	#11 (permalink)
Irishlion KEY MASTER Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 3,343	why not try wood pellets like for pellet stoves, most of the pellets are made of hardwood or is hardand softwood, but, mostly hardwood as I understand it. maybe something you could look into? __________________ a man without honor isn't a man at all but, a soul trapped in a flesh body that is lost in a void of its own making

10-28-09, 07:50	#2 (permalink)
Faithjuice Mycophiliac Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 57	Sorry I have no idea aboutYour first question, but I think 60°C is pretty dandy for pasteurisation. there are no spores or molds that can withstand that.

10-28-09, 11:05	#3 (permalink)
ethnobotanica Mycotopiate Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 683	Thanks Faithjuice Thats a relief, I thought I needed 70. The wood already has some small bits of myc (unknown, probly not magic) so it def needs something done to it, was from an old-ish pile. Would i then need to dry the wood, after pastuerizing, before storing it for the winter??

10-28-09, 13:36	#6 (permalink)
heritage ranch Mycophiliac Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 58	in the forestry world we use rolls of craft paper to cover brush piles that we cut thru the year. the paper covering keeps most of the water off the piles while still letting it breath. we do this to dry out the piles over the summer and into the winter. then we go in and burn them. i would think if you had space to put a pile of your chips and covered it with the craft paper or somethng similar then the pile would stay dry and would breath so that it would discourage growth and decomp. depending on the size of the pile if you didnt want to buy a whole roll of the paper i linked then you could use a couple of brown paper bags or a cardboard box like from a fridge just open it up and lay over the pile put some rocks on the edges. i would think if we can dry out fresh cut brush, it would do a good job of keeping your chips dry

10-28-09, 14:01	#7 (permalink)
ethnobotanica Mycotopiate Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 683	Cheers heritage, you've given me something to think about

10-29-09, 12:21	#12 (permalink)
hyphaenation Puck Teknician Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 5,646	It's an economic thing for me. There's the big bags of Alder chips. Worth the investment and definitely the cats pjammas ... at a cost. Wood stove pellets will likely work good. Then there's the free options. Making your own chips is great. You can get a small branch chipper and for years select your own specialty woods to chip. I've been doing this with great success. The best thing i've found is free chips from piles made by the people that trim trees under powerlines. These peopel are desperate to get rid of these piles and will stash them anywhere around here , even the dump (where the lady said have at her and take all you want". If you can get at these piles quick enough you can take dozens and dozens of totes worth away to your home where you you lay them out to dry and store. The beauty of the powerline trimmed chips is that they are of all different sizes from small to large chip size. This is important to woodlovers. They thrive best on various sized chips. Attached is a pic of my woodchipper. Beside it is Japanese Knotweed which works wonderfully with ps. woodlovers. It chips easily , is spongy , and makes an excellent spawn / sub-additive material for beds. __________________ We're just flying by the seed of our plants.

10-31-09, 05:27	#13 (permalink)
ethnobotanica Mycotopiate Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 683	Cheers Hyph, I may have to invest in one of those machines methinks. I'll look into japanese knotweed as well and see if it might be in my area.

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