American Amanita Muscarias...Trip worthy?

Teonanacatl*38 · 10-28-09, 12:09

Hey everyone

Iv been finding Fly Agarics around here. I read in my field guide that the effect is different from the Eurasian ones, and that these just make you miserable.
Is that true?
Have any of yall tried them?
Any Input?

Id like to give them a whirl, but figured Id check in for a consensus report

p2k1 · 10-28-09, 12:22

Only one way to find out

ethnobotanica · 10-28-09, 13:11

Audubon Field guide says it gives one delerium, fever, sweating, vomiting.
NO visions.
Also, i think there are lookalike amanita's in the states with same red cap.

Probably not worth eating.

warriorsoul · 10-28-09, 13:18

Hogwash.. Amanita amerimuscaria has no more adverse side effects than A. muscaria.

The Audubon doesn't even delineate the two species..

Teonanacatl*38 · 10-28-09, 13:28

Thanks Warrior

What I have is definitely an A. Muscaria. I'v always wanted to try smoking the skin...heard that was good. I'll put up some pics...

(neo)Figment · 10-28-09, 13:34

how much skin are you planing on smoking?
I got like a quarter or two of cap skin I found a little while back. I got the yellow kind...unsure of the var. as I heard it changed or something so yeah.
Let us know how it does.

Teonanacatl*38 · 10-28-09, 14:16

Heres some pics of those Fly Agarics....check out that Bustin'-through-the-pavement action!

BuckarooBanzai · 10-28-09, 14:38

Nice pics. I eat Amerimuscaria quite frequently.

I only eat the bright red ones, though. Not those yellow fellows.

They are not at all like cubensis. Completely different. Most people don't like them.

Teonanacatl*38 · 10-28-09, 14:44

What are they like in your experience?
Any Tips?

Danko · 10-28-09, 14:58

I have eaten them a couple times. I kept falling asleep and would go off on some strange dream when i would wake up and try to walk around i got sick to my stomach and would have to go throw up. I didn't really enjoy it all that much. I have heard that smaller doses can give a nice energizing effect.

Mushroom Kingdom · 10-28-09, 14:59

I have done research on this topic (read the wiki and google). But if that's not enough to form an accurate opinion, i apologize and withdraw my statement. All i will say is that every site I have gone to does say it is toxic. Its degree of toxicity is debatable but still the point is whether its worth eating or not. I still stand by my statement, your body, your choice. good luck I'm curious to see how this turns out!

to BuckarooBanzi: last time i checked psilocybin is a neurotoxin... poison was probably not the best word i could have used but still...

Mushroom Kingdom · 10-28-09, 15:14

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amanita_muscaria

have a look see

BuckarooBanzai · 10-28-09, 15:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mushroom Kingdom

those shrooms are what kill people. the poison in them is completely different (from cubes) and highly toxic. Do some research. i had a friend take it and said it was the worst trip of his life. he basically spent a few hours throwing up... either way, your body, your choice! good luck!

Mushroom Kingdom - you have no idea what you are talking about.

Amanita amerimuscaria and Amanita muscaria are not toxic and do not kill people. I have been eating those mushrooms on an almost daily basis for well over ten years.

There are some toxic members of the Amanita family, but muscaria is not one of them.

There is no poison in Psilocybe cubensis mushrooms, that is also untrue.

I agree that people should do research. I more strongly agree that people should know what they are talking about before they post. You clearly do not.

Teo - give this a read, man. Nice long writeup I did on Amanita amerimuscaria:
http://forums.mycotopia.net/192504-post59.html

Teonanacatl*38 · 10-28-09, 18:31

Buck...
What a kick ass post
Thanks for that link. I'll just try a light dose. Besides, Iv only found a few.

Thanks again man

BuckarooBanzai · 10-28-09, 20:38

I like Amanita muscaria/amerimuscaria very, very much. They have been part of my daily regimen of thangs I nibble for better mental health for a long time now.

I would strongly advise against doing a trip level dose unless you are a masochist. Very harsh way to "get the job done."

Small doses kick ass, though. Right up to the slurry/sweaty/salivating point, they are a great social lubricant (better than booze, I think).

Teonanacatl*38 · 10-28-09, 20:48

You've got me intrigued Buck

If i do anything, It will be just a bit...like a cap or two.

Have you ever smoked the skin before...Iv heard that its good, and Id like to try it. Your my new source for Amanita questions

BuckarooBanzai · 10-28-09, 21:22

Smoking 'em gets ya a buzz, but I don't think the taste and hassle of peeling caps is worth it. Smoking them actually tastes worse than eating them dried (and they taste like freshly pickled ass when dried).

You can only really remove the skin effectively when they are fresh and, ech, it is like trying to peel a melon. Makes a hideous mess and stains hell out of your fingers (and whatever you are peeling with). The skin isn't something that just peels off easily.

Powdering them and putting 'em into gel caps is the easiest way to eat them. Powder made into tea is the most effective consumption route but, again, that pickled ass taste is quite predominate.

Dried Amanitas taste God-awful, is what I'm trying to express.

If you ever get to the drinking your own urine level, the taste doesn't change - even after yer body processes 'em.

viewer6922 · 10-28-09, 22:04

we all must admit, they are the most photographed, cartooned, lampooned, commercialized mushrooms in the world, I am almost 'expected' to eat those babies. I will not though....they are sooooo nice to look at though.

Teonanacatl*38 · 10-28-09, 22:10

Im gonna give it a shot. I'll feel like a putz If I dont try this legendary teacher plant @ least once

lysergic · 10-28-09, 22:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by BuckarooBanzai

Mushroom Kingdom - you have no idea what you are talking about.

Amanita amerimuscaria and Amanita muscaria are not toxic and do not kill people. I have been eating those mushrooms on an almost daily basis for well over ten years.

There are some toxic members of the Amanita family, but muscaria is not one of them.

There is no poison in Psilocybe cubensis mushrooms, that is also untrue.

I agree that people should do research. I more strongly agree that people should know what they are talking about before they post. You clearly do not.

Teo - give this a read, man. Nice long writeup I did on Amanita amerimuscaria:
http://forums.mycotopia.net/192504-post59.html

I advise people to take Bucky's word on this one

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mushroom Kingdom

All i will say is that every site I have gone to does say it is toxic.

to BuckarooBanzi: last time i checked psilocybin is a neurotoxin... poison was probably not the best word i could have used but still...

Which websites did you go to exactly?

Psilocybin is far from a neurotoxin.
So far in fact,
that numerous studies have shown it to have medicinal value.

Spend some time on www.erowid.org and then get back to us.

BuckarooBanzai · 10-28-09, 23:01

Technically speaking, oxygen is extremely toxic (in sufficient concentrations).

The same can be said of water.

That doesn't mean we speak of oxygen and water as "toxins."

Just because an excessive concentration of serotonin and/or adrenalin can kill you doesn't stop your body from manufacturing them. Both can kill you. Neither is commonly referred to as a toxin.

lysergic · 10-28-09, 23:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by BuckarooBanzai

Technically speaking, oxygen is extremely toxic (in sufficient concentrations).

The same can be said of water.

That doesn't mean we speak of oxygen and water as "toxins."

Just because an excessive concentration of serotonin and/or adrenalin can kill you doesn't stop your body from manufacturing them. Both can kill you. Neither is commonly referred to as a toxin.

If I could rep ya again i would man.

I was just about to add this

Everything has an LD50-- a measure of toxicity.
As Bucky said, this doesn't make it a "neurotoxin."

BuckarooBanzai · 10-28-09, 23:18

My Dad had a saying:

"Great minds think alike. So do we."

lysergic · 10-28-09, 23:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by BuckarooBanzai

My Dad had a saying:

"Great minds think alike. So do we."

Alright folks,
now that this little misconception has been cleared up-
I return you to your previously scheduled broadcast.

masterplain88 · 10-28-09, 23:29

i would be to scared to even try to eat them.
masterplain88

BuckarooBanzai · 10-28-09, 23:41

Don't be afraid of them. They aren't inherently bad!

Amanita muscaria is a lot like alcohol.

A little is a good buzz but if you have too much you WILL end up puking and hating life.

The trick to eating a bunch of them is to get off hard on the puking and hating life part. Past that are the dreams and the dreams are utterly unique amongst the things I have eaten to alter my head space.

Hippie3 once compared Amanitas to hanging off chest hooks in a sweat lodge.

It isn't if they can get you there, it is how much you must pay for the journey. Amanitas are a very expensive ride.

mate0x · 10-29-09, 01:38

After reading through BB's link this definitely not a ride I plan on paying for, excellent write up. thank you.

Sending good vibes your way teon

, hope you enjoy!

Please post back as I am interested in your experience

Teonanacatl*38 · 10-29-09, 08:27

Not a prob man . In an hour or two Im gonna try smoking the amanita skin. I'll certainly let yall know how it goes.

How much is the least amount to smoke?
Does it hit you fairly soon?
Anybody tried this before?
Would you share a little about it?

ways2 · 10-29-09, 10:20

Thru experience, the best way to eat them is thru slow drying/cooking in the oven. This supposedly converts the ibotenic acid into muscimol. She is very strict with her wisdom, so it helps to give her your reverence and acknowledge the Grand Authority she beholds, if you are true she may open her womb to be born again as her child, if you are strong enough to maintain consciousness thru the excruciating experience of being crammed down thru a hole that your 1111 times bigger than! To prepare, heat your oven in between 170-195F / 80-90C, but don't go above 200F/95C. take the caps, after tapping spores into wild of course, and place them gills down on the rack in oven. place a tray or something big enough to cover the area of the caps, in case any juice drips down. now come back in a little under or around an hour and look at the gills, when there are lots of little "dew" drops of goodness starting to form, then turn them upside down and place back in oven to return in about the same time to check if the juice has soaked back into them. repeat this for a least 9-10 hours, until they are leathery, but not crispy. then lay them out for about a day to finish drying slowly. After you jar them , be sure to check daily for any extra moisture that might accumulate. If you would like, about half way thru, the caps when turned upside will fill half up with their juices! Sip this nectar from our gods till your hearts content, the more you drink the more "awake" or in between sleeping and be awake you will go, until you just walk right thru, ( make sure your earthly body isn't in motion when you do, cause that tends to hurt the next day!) take it easy..., the more humble you are, the easier your focus of what reality can become.

Teonanacatl*38 · 10-29-09, 11:19

Ok, so I'v been smoking the skin....Nothing mind-blowing. Im gonna keep smoking it, but I think this is about as far as Im gonna get. Im firing up the kettle to make some Yerba Mate ( aka the best drink ever that I cant get enogh of and consume 24/7) Maybe that will change it a little.

There has been some interesting effects while outside. I dont know how to describe it, but it feels like I revisit different consciousnesses that Iv experienced/known before. Theres this feeling of experiences that Iv had when I was asleep, not in this body, or something else entirely. Not as awesome as it sounds...but def interesting and thought provoking. I'll keep yall updated

warriorsoul · 10-29-09, 14:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by ways2

Thru experience, the best way to eat them is thru slow drying/cooking in the oven. This supposedly converts the ibotenic acid into muscimol. She is very strict with her wisdom, so it helps to give her your reverence and acknowledge the Grand Authority she beholds, if you are true she may open her womb to be born again as her child, if you are strong enough to maintain consciousness thru the excruciating experience of being crammed down thru a hole that your 1111 times bigger than! To prepare, heat your oven in between 170-195F / 80-90C, but don't go above 200F/95C. take the caps, after tapping spores into wild of course, and place them gills down on the rack in oven. place a tray or something big enough to cover the area of the caps, in case any juice drips down. now come back in a little under or around an hour and look at the gills, when there are lots of little "dew" drops of goodness starting to form, then turn them upside down and place back in oven to return in about the same time to check if the juice has soaked back into them. repeat this for a least 9-10 hours, until they are leathery, but not crispy. then lay them out for about a day to finish drying slowly. After you jar them , be sure to check daily for any extra moisture that might accumulate. If you would like, about half way thru, the caps when turned upside will fill half up with their juices! Sip this nectar from our gods till your hearts content, the more you drink the more "awake" or in between sleeping and be awake you will go, until you just walk right thru, ( make sure your earthly body isn't in motion when you do, cause that tends to hurt the next day!) take it easy..., the more humble you are, the easier your focus of what reality can become.

Heat does nothing to convert ibotenic acid into muscimol, nor will too much heat hurt the actives..

Ibotenic acid is converted through a process called decarboxylation, this happens naturally as part of the drying process. No heat required.

I like to dry mine in the sun, like the shamans did.

The amount of misinformation surrounding this mushroom is simply staggering..

BuckarooBanzai · 10-29-09, 15:32

What blows me away is hearing the same misinformation over and over again. It is like there is a "50 myths about Amanitas" web site out there that everybody is reading. It's weird.

Smoking them isn't going to blow your socks off, it isn't an overwhelming high. Just a little sparkle to things and maybe a grin or two. Dope and booze will potentiate it a little.

Teonanacatl*38 · 10-29-09, 15:58

Hey Buck...does potency drop at all If Iv had some Amanitas that have been sitting in the open for over 2 weeks? Im thinking about eating them some time...its only 2 2" caps and some stems.

BuckarooBanzai · 10-29-09, 16:34

No - they stay good forever (well, years at least).

Teonanacatl*38 · 10-29-09, 16:53

Awesome

I just want to tell you how much I appreciate all you info man. It's prob. nothing to you....but It's everything to me

10-29-09, 17:29

ive heard basically all of these before (aside from the neurotoxin thing) and have always been curious about amanitas. i used to pick the big red ones when i was a kid in the PNW but not to eat just play with. overactive imagination an all that lol... thanks for clearing up all the misinfo, it was really nice to read about em from someone who knows what the hell theyre talkin about! i doubt ill ever get up the balls to eat em, not so long as cubes are so readily avaliable, but ya never know...

BuckarooBanzai · 10-29-09, 17:30

It's my job, bro. Not a problem at all

But a thank you is always appreciated!

10-29-09, 23:18

ummmm......
a bit off topic...
but since when was psilocin classified as a neurotoxin...?

please post something to back up this statement, as i feel it is WAY off base, and implies that the drug is actually toxic to neurons, and i am not currently aware of any sort of study done on this. I personally find it very hard to believe that it is toxic. It is an agonist of certain neurotransmitter receptor sites but i just do not see how it could be considered toxic, unless i have missed some key study showing that it can actually kill neurons.

finite_synapses · 10-30-09, 03:05

I like the after-effects of amanitas... the glowing feeling, like everything is lucid. The trip itself, not so much, though. They're nice in small doses, but even in medium doses, it gets to be uncomfortable for me. you should eat 'em, though. i second putting them into gel caps, as amanitas are the most vile things you will probably ever eat.

ways2 · 10-31-09, 11:35

Why do people like to disagree to agree? No need to split hairs.. Yes, you don't "need" heat to dry them, but the acid is decarboxylated in a few hours with heat vs. a few days without. Not to mention if you happen to live in a cold damp environment, without some help, they will just be rotting flesh for the flies. This same process is why cannabis is no where near as active fresh off the plant vs. a good 30 day(at least!) cure.The THC is in its acid form which needs to be decarboxylated. But even though heat would dramatically speed this up, unlike the amanita 's this would be detrimental to the herb! Sorry if disputing someones info,as if you are right, helps you feel better, please have at it... circles of experience never mind the cross who with controlled behavior

warriorsoul · 10-31-09, 12:46

Its not splitting hairs.. You mention certain temps that need to be reached in order convert the ibotenic acid..this is simply false.

Wet marijuana can be dried in the oven around 160-180 degrees Fahrenheit with absolutely no loss of potency, it will actually increase potency.

BuckarooBanzai · 10-31-09, 16:22

I do not heat dry Amanitas. Other than a few experiments many years ago with the oven, I have never heat dried Amanitas. The mess created is annoying and it is all but impossible to re-collect all the goodness that will be "sweated" out into the pan/dish they are cooked in.

ways2 what does "circles of experience never mind the cross who with controlled behavior" mean?

I am not following that sentence.

finite_synapses · 11-01-09, 03:39

i had thought that drying buds was performed to make them smokeable... as fresh plants aren't exactly that easy to smoke. maybe i should do some reading up on that...

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10-28-09, 12:09	#1 (permalink)
Teonanacatl*38 The Seeker Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 597	American Amanita Muscarias...Trip worthy? Hey everyone Iv been finding Fly Agarics around here. I read in my field guide that the effect is different from the Eurasian ones, and that these just make you miserable. Is that true? Have any of yall tried them? Any Input? Id like to give them a whirl, but figured Id check in for a consensus report

10-28-09, 12:22	#2 (permalink)
p2k1 Mycotopiate Join Date: Jul 1972 Posts: 386	Only one way to find out __________________ Stay free As soon as they popped my gate I knew these motherfuckers made a mistake

10-28-09, 13:18	#4 (permalink)
warriorsoul Integral being Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 1,981	Hogwash.. Amanita amerimuscaria has no more adverse side effects than A. muscaria. The Audubon doesn't even delineate the two species.. __________________ "He findeth not who seeks his own The soul is lost that's saved alone." John Whittier

10-28-09, 13:34	#6 (permalink)
(neo)Figment Lets rot some poop! Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 347	how much skin are you planing on smoking? I got like a quarter or two of cap skin I found a little while back. I got the yellow kind...unsure of the var. as I heard it changed or something so yeah. Let us know how it does. __________________ "If you don't like my fire then don't come around, cause I'm gonna burn one down."

10-28-09, 13:11	#3 (permalink)
ethnobotanica Botanical-manical Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 1,260	Audubon Field guide says it gives one delerium, fever, sweating, vomiting. NO visions. Also, i think there are lookalike amanita's in the states with same red cap. Probably not worth eating.

10-28-09, 13:28	#5 (permalink)
Teonanacatl*38 The Seeker Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 597	Thanks Warrior What I have is definitely an A. Muscaria. I'v always wanted to try smoking the skin...heard that was good. I'll put up some pics...

10-28-09, 14:16	#7 (permalink)
Teonanacatl*38 The Seeker Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 597	Heres some pics of those Fly Agarics....check out that Bustin'-through-the-pavement action! Attached Thumbnails

10-28-09, 14:38	#8 (permalink)
BuckarooBanzai Prone to ranting... Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 6,053	Nice pics. I eat Amerimuscaria quite frequently. I only eat the bright red ones, though. Not those yellow fellows. They are not at all like cubensis. Completely different. Most people don't like them. __________________ Banzai Institute for Higher Education (a collection of growing Teks & threads)

10-28-09, 14:44	#9 (permalink)
Teonanacatl*38 The Seeker Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 597	What are they like in your experience? Any Tips?

10-28-09, 14:58	#10 (permalink)
Danko Mycophage Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 106	I have eaten them a couple times. I kept falling asleep and would go off on some strange dream when i would wake up and try to walk around i got sick to my stomach and would have to go throw up. I didn't really enjoy it all that much. I have heard that smaller doses can give a nice energizing effect. __________________ "When you're getting pelted with shitballs deputy, you gotta get a shit bat."

10-28-09, 14:59	#11 (permalink)
Mushroom Kingdom Mycophiliac Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 95	I have done research on this topic (read the wiki and google). But if that's not enough to form an accurate opinion, i apologize and withdraw my statement. All i will say is that every site I have gone to does say it is toxic. Its degree of toxicity is debatable but still the point is whether its worth eating or not. I still stand by my statement, your body, your choice. good luck I'm curious to see how this turns out! to BuckarooBanzi: last time i checked psilocybin is a neurotoxin... poison was probably not the best word i could have used but still... Last edited by Mushroom Kingdom; 10-28-09 at 20:37. Reason: a conflict of minds

10-28-09, 15:14	#12 (permalink)
Mushroom Kingdom Mycophiliac Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 95	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amanita_muscaria have a look see

10-28-09, 18:31	#14 (permalink)
Teonanacatl*38 The Seeker Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 597	Buck... What a kick ass post Thanks for that link. I'll just try a light dose. Besides, Iv only found a few. Thanks again man

10-28-09, 20:38	#15 (permalink)
BuckarooBanzai Prone to ranting... Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 6,053	I like Amanita muscaria/amerimuscaria very, very much. They have been part of my daily regimen of thangs I nibble for better mental health for a long time now. I would strongly advise against doing a trip level dose unless you are a masochist. Very harsh way to "get the job done." Small doses kick ass, though. Right up to the slurry/sweaty/salivating point, they are a great social lubricant (better than booze, I think). __________________ Banzai Institute for Higher Education (a collection of growing Teks & threads)

10-28-09, 20:48	#16 (permalink)
Teonanacatl*38 The Seeker Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 597	You've got me intrigued Buck If i do anything, It will be just a bit...like a cap or two. Have you ever smoked the skin before...Iv heard that its good, and Id like to try it. Your my new source for Amanita questions

10-28-09, 21:22	#17 (permalink)
BuckarooBanzai Prone to ranting... Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 6,053	Smoking 'em gets ya a buzz, but I don't think the taste and hassle of peeling caps is worth it. Smoking them actually tastes worse than eating them dried (and they taste like freshly pickled ass when dried). You can only really remove the skin effectively when they are fresh and, ech, it is like trying to peel a melon. Makes a hideous mess and stains hell out of your fingers (and whatever you are peeling with). The skin isn't something that just peels off easily. Powdering them and putting 'em into gel caps is the easiest way to eat them. Powder made into tea is the most effective consumption route but, again, that pickled ass taste is quite predominate. Dried Amanitas taste God-awful, is what I'm trying to express. If you ever get to the drinking your own urine level, the taste doesn't change - even after yer body processes 'em. __________________ Banzai Institute for Higher Education (a collection of growing Teks & threads)

10-28-09, 22:04	#18 (permalink)
viewer6922 Mycotopiate Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 350	but Damn... we all must admit, they are the most photographed, cartooned, lampooned, commercialized mushrooms in the world, I am almost 'expected' to eat those babies. I will not though....they are sooooo nice to look at though. __________________ expandable...

10-28-09, 22:10	#19 (permalink)
Teonanacatl*38 The Seeker Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 597	Im gonna give it a shot. I'll feel like a putz If I dont try this legendary teacher plant @ least once

10-28-09, 23:01	#21 (permalink)
BuckarooBanzai Prone to ranting... Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 6,053	Technically speaking, oxygen is extremely toxic (in sufficient concentrations). The same can be said of water. That doesn't mean we speak of oxygen and water as "toxins." Just because an excessive concentration of serotonin and/or adrenalin can kill you doesn't stop your body from manufacturing them. Both can kill you. Neither is commonly referred to as a toxin. __________________ Banzai Institute for Higher Education (a collection of growing Teks & threads) Last edited by BuckarooBanzai; 10-28-09 at 23:06. Reason: my grammar SUCKS!

10-28-09, 23:18	#23 (permalink)
BuckarooBanzai Prone to ranting... Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 6,053	My Dad had a saying: "Great minds think alike. So do we." __________________ Banzai Institute for Higher Education (a collection of growing Teks & threads)

10-28-09, 23:29	#25 (permalink)
masterplain88 Mycotopiate Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 683	i would be to scared to even try to eat them. masterplain88

10-28-09, 23:41	#26 (permalink)
BuckarooBanzai Prone to ranting... Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 6,053	Don't be afraid of them. They aren't inherently bad! Amanita muscaria is a lot like alcohol. A little is a good buzz but if you have too much you WILL end up puking and hating life. The trick to eating a bunch of them is to get off hard on the puking and hating life part. Past that are the dreams and the dreams are utterly unique amongst the things I have eaten to alter my head space. Hippie3 once compared Amanitas to hanging off chest hooks in a sweat lodge. It isn't if they can get you there, it is how much you must pay for the journey. Amanitas are a very expensive ride. __________________ Banzai Institute for Higher Education (a collection of growing Teks & threads)

10-29-09, 01:38	#27 (permalink)
mate0x VIP Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 64	After reading through BB's link this definitely not a ride I plan on paying for, excellent write up. thank you. Sending good vibes your way teon , hope you enjoy! Please post back as I am interested in your experience

10-29-09, 08:27	#28 (permalink)
Teonanacatl*38 The Seeker Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 597	Not a prob man . In an hour or two Im gonna try smoking the amanita skin. I'll certainly let yall know how it goes. How much is the least amount to smoke? Does it hit you fairly soon? Anybody tried this before? Would you share a little about it?

10-29-09, 10:20	#29 (permalink)
ways2 Mycophiliac Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 6	Thru experience, the best way to eat them is thru slow drying/cooking in the oven. This supposedly converts the ibotenic acid into muscimol. She is very strict with her wisdom, so it helps to give her your reverence and acknowledge the Grand Authority she beholds, if you are true she may open her womb to be born again as her child, if you are strong enough to maintain consciousness thru the excruciating experience of being crammed down thru a hole that your 1111 times bigger than! To prepare, heat your oven in between 170-195F / 80-90C, but don't go above 200F/95C. take the caps, after tapping spores into wild of course, and place them gills down on the rack in oven. place a tray or something big enough to cover the area of the caps, in case any juice drips down. now come back in a little under or around an hour and look at the gills, when there are lots of little "dew" drops of goodness starting to form, then turn them upside down and place back in oven to return in about the same time to check if the juice has soaked back into them. repeat this for a least 9-10 hours, until they are leathery, but not crispy. then lay them out for about a day to finish drying slowly. After you jar them , be sure to check daily for any extra moisture that might accumulate. If you would like, about half way thru, the caps when turned upside will fill half up with their juices! Sip this nectar from our gods till your hearts content, the more you drink the more "awake" or in between sleeping and be awake you will go, until you just walk right thru, ( make sure your earthly body isn't in motion when you do, cause that tends to hurt the next day!) take it easy..., the more humble you are, the easier your focus of what reality can become.

10-29-09, 11:19	#30 (permalink)
Teonanacatl*38 The Seeker Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 597	Ok, so I'v been smoking the skin....Nothing mind-blowing. Im gonna keep smoking it, but I think this is about as far as Im gonna get. Im firing up the kettle to make some Yerba Mate ( aka the best drink ever that I cant get enogh of and consume 24/7) Maybe that will change it a little. There has been some interesting effects while outside. I dont know how to describe it, but it feels like I revisit different consciousnesses that Iv experienced/known before. Theres this feeling of experiences that Iv had when I was asleep, not in this body, or something else entirely. Not as awesome as it sounds...but def interesting and thought provoking. I'll keep yall updated

10-29-09, 15:32	#32 (permalink)
BuckarooBanzai Prone to ranting... Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 6,053	What blows me away is hearing the same misinformation over and over again. It is like there is a "50 myths about Amanitas" web site out there that everybody is reading. It's weird. Smoking them isn't going to blow your socks off, it isn't an overwhelming high. Just a little sparkle to things and maybe a grin or two. Dope and booze will potentiate it a little. __________________ Banzai Institute for Higher Education (a collection of growing Teks & threads)

10-29-09, 15:58	#33 (permalink)
Teonanacatl*38 The Seeker Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 597	Hey Buck...does potency drop at all If Iv had some Amanitas that have been sitting in the open for over 2 weeks? Im thinking about eating them some time...its only 2 2" caps and some stems.

10-29-09, 16:34	#34 (permalink)
BuckarooBanzai Prone to ranting... Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 6,053	No - they stay good forever (well, years at least). __________________ Banzai Institute for Higher Education (a collection of growing Teks & threads)

10-29-09, 16:53	#35 (permalink)
Teonanacatl*38 The Seeker Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 597	Awesome I just want to tell you how much I appreciate all you info man. It's prob. nothing to you....but It's everything to me

10-29-09, 17:29	#36 (permalink)
~potatocore Guest Posts: n/a	50 myths ive heard basically all of these before (aside from the neurotoxin thing) and have always been curious about amanitas. i used to pick the big red ones when i was a kid in the PNW but not to eat just play with. overactive imagination an all that lol... thanks for clearing up all the misinfo, it was really nice to read about em from someone who knows what the hell theyre talkin about! i doubt ill ever get up the balls to eat em, not so long as cubes are so readily avaliable, but ya never know...

10-29-09, 17:30	#37 (permalink)
BuckarooBanzai Prone to ranting... Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 6,053	It's my job, bro. Not a problem at all But a thank you is always appreciated! __________________ Banzai Institute for Higher Education (a collection of growing Teks & threads)

10-29-09, 23:18	#38 (permalink)
~lost_onabbey_rd Guest Posts: n/a	ummmm...... a bit off topic... but since when was psilocin classified as a neurotoxin...? please post something to back up this statement, as i feel it is WAY off base, and implies that the drug is actually toxic to neurons, and i am not currently aware of any sort of study done on this. I personally find it very hard to believe that it is toxic. It is an agonist of certain neurotransmitter receptor sites but i just do not see how it could be considered toxic, unless i have missed some key study showing that it can actually kill neurons.

10-30-09, 03:05	#39 (permalink)
finite_synapses Mycophage Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 103	I like the after-effects of amanitas... the glowing feeling, like everything is lucid. The trip itself, not so much, though. They're nice in small doses, but even in medium doses, it gets to be uncomfortable for me. you should eat 'em, though. i second putting them into gel caps, as amanitas are the most vile things you will probably ever eat.