fruiting pans on WBR

chill · 10-28-09, 16:25

For various reasons I'm not able to spawn my WBR pan jars to poo like I would normally do. Can I just break up the rice, combine and case?

spacecake · 10-28-09, 16:44

Yes,but what's the way you normally do it then ?

chill · 10-28-09, 16:52

Hey space,

truth be told I don't normally have a way with Pans

I've only tried twice before and one time they refused to fruit.

What I'd like to do is spawn the WBR jars 5:1 to hpoo, let that fully colonize and then case with 1/2" of coco coir. Then induce fruiting.

spacecake · 10-28-09, 16:57

So.. I don't get it...,what's the problem now ?

chill · 10-28-09, 17:01

I have a new roommate who is squeemish about this hobbie. She's a little unreasonable that way actually. She's cool with the idea over all (she's a friend and that's why I picked her) but I suspect that pasteurizing hpoo in the oven is more than she can handle right now.

So basically I'm skipping the spawning to hpoo step and going straight to casing.

I'll probably move to outdoor pasteurization using water baths eventually but right now I'm not setup for that.

spacecake · 10-28-09, 17:11

Why not sterilize the poo then ?
That's the way I do it most of the time,sterilize the poo in closed jars..,no smell this way and very clean.

Casing WBR only probably won't do much.

chill · 10-28-09, 17:15

I thought that pasteurization was preferred over steralization as we want the beneficial bacteria to survive; which they won't when steralized.

Also, then what is the preferred spawn ratio with steralized poo? I assume it would be less as the poo will be less resistant to contamination requiring faster colonization times.

spacecake · 10-28-09, 17:20

I use a spawn ratio of 5:1 (Poo:spawn) !
I have never noticed any big difference in sterilizing and pasteurizing.
Infact.. I got less contamination problem with sterilizing then with pasteurizing( with Pans).

With Cubies it's the other way around for me,then I prefer to pasteurize.

chill · 10-28-09, 17:23

Really, eh? Well I'm sold. I'll steralize and spawn. Thanks space.

By the way, what is the optimum depth of substrate for pans? Cubies is 4" but pans are 2"...?

spacecake · 10-28-09, 17:30

1" - 2" is fine...
And case just so you don't see no substrate anymore.

chill · 10-28-09, 17:32

sweet. thanks

MushroomJoe · 10-28-09, 17:54

I'm eager to see how this turns out, I have not her tried pans. G/L

chill · 10-28-09, 17:56

I'll be steralizing tonight and will turn it into a grow log.

Hopefullly it will "pan out".

P4ulada · 10-28-09, 20:19

Let´s see your pans huhu

chill · 10-28-09, 23:53

Here are two of the 4 jars that I will be working with. The mycelium is thinner and a bit off white. But I think that is normal with pans. I don't have a lot of experience with them so if I've missed anything let me know.

spacecake · 10-29-09, 15:22

Looks very good.

chill · 10-29-09, 21:37

OK, spawned to 6 cups of poo.

The cakes were soft and almost mushy, unlike cubie cakes which are very firm. From what I remember pan mycelium is very delicate so I'm hoping that this means that the cakes are still healthy. In fact, I didn't even have to use a cheese grater, I just crumbled them lightly with my fingers.

copelandiaKidd · 10-29-09, 22:15

this post excites me!!!!!! Hey, im easy to please!!!!!

chill · 11-11-09, 12:44

OK, so it's been a few feeks since the last update. Not sure how I'm doing but will post pics for advice.

The first pic is of about three days after spawning. Seems to be colonizing nicely. I'm covering the sub with wax paper to keep the moisture in.

Pic 2 is about 5 or 6 days after spawning. I left it too long and now I have overlay(?). It could be contamination but I'm not sure as my Pan experience is limited. Feedback anyone?

Pic 3 is of the second container and I think it is a bit healthier.

Pic 4 is about 4 days after casing. I'm hoping this is healthy Pan mycelium poking through. It is a bit grey and wispy so I'm hopeful. Unfortunately only the one container is showing. I'm managing the casing by moving it around to cover up the myc that is showing and to reduce the casing layer from the parts that are too thick.

Pic5 is a side view of the container that isn't yet poking through the casing layer. It's hard to see but notice that some of the myc is thicker and whiter. It looks more like cubie myc than pan myc. Any feedback?

chill · 11-11-09, 12:50

I also have some jars that I made from a pan potatoe water LC. They are also showing the same thick, white mycelium growth that has me concerned.

BGB · 11-11-09, 13:08

That second pic looks like wetspot IMO. Maybe others will chime in...

spacecake · 11-11-09, 13:26

Hard to tell if Pan Myc is contaminated.

I almost threw away some Pan clones two weeks ago..,because it looked and smelled like Trich AND Cobweb,but it turned out to be healthy myc !

Picture three looks perfect tho...that's what I know for sure !

chill · 11-11-09, 13:28

hey space,

would you say that the jars are ok then?

If so I was thinking of taking them out and putting them in the fridge until the grow chamber is freed up from the casings.

spacecake · 11-11-09, 13:32

Yes,I do...

Never throw away Pan Myc. untill your absolutely sure it contamed (because of sporulating spores or whatever...).

Dr.Hallucination. · 11-11-09, 13:35

That tub is looking really nice chill,I can not wait to see what comes of it.Sending good Pan vibes your way.

Om shanti · 11-11-09, 14:13

I must admit I don't like the look of the mycelium popping up in circles on the fourth pic of the tubs (http://forums.mycotopia.net/attachme...r-dscn1126.jpg) but I hope it's just me, and it probably is since the two pan Gurus (

) didn't mention it. Which pre-casing picture does this tub correspond to, is that pic 2 with the heavy overlay in the middle?

A few q's: What's the casing? Is it coir? and how thick is the casing? It's just that it looks pretty thick on the last tub picture in profile.
and what strain is it?

Hope you get lots of pans!! Good vibes sent.

spacecake · 11-11-09, 14:23

Circles is indeed not a good sign (trich ?)...
But still I would let it go,and see what happens.

chill · 11-11-09, 14:49

Hi shanti,

the circles do correlate with the tub that has the overlay.

The casing is straight coir and is closer to an inch than 1/2 inch is some places. I'm thinking that this is the reason for the slower casing colonization in the one tub.

I don't know about the strain. It came from some old syringes I got from Capt Max years ago.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Om shanti

I must admit I don't like the look of the mycelium popping up in circles on the fourth pic of the tubs (http://forums.mycotopia.net/attachme...r-dscn1126.jpg) but I hope it's just me, and it probably is since the two pan Gurus (

) didn't mention it. Which pre-casing picture does this tub correspond to, is that pic 2 with the heavy overlay in the middle?

A few q's: What's the casing? Is it coir? and how thick is the casing? It's just that it looks pretty thick on the last tub picture in profile.
and what strain is it?

Hope you get lots of pans!! Good vibes sent.

Om shanti · 11-11-09, 15:03

I'm almost certain the pans will not be able to get through where it's almost an inch thick, and even 1/2 inch is a bit much I think. Around 1/4 inch is what is often recommended for pans. So I think it's a good idea to remove some from the thicker parts like you wrote above.

It will be interesting to see what kind of pans pop up. The giants or the tiny but potent ones!! :-)

chill · 11-11-09, 19:32

casing reduced to a thin layer.

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10-28-09, 16:25	#1 (permalink)
chill celtic tiger Join Date: May 1972 Posts: 1,095	fruiting pans on WBR For various reasons I'm not able to spawn my WBR pan jars to poo like I would normally do. Can I just break up the rice, combine and case? __________________ When the going gets wierd the wierd turn pro!

10-28-09, 16:44	#2 (permalink)
spacecake Universal Mod Join Date: May 1972 Posts: 4,734	Yes,but what's the way you normally do it then ? __________________ "As a child, i could walk on the ceiling. I'd butterfly up on the walls"

10-28-09, 16:52	#3 (permalink)
chill celtic tiger Join Date: May 1972 Posts: 1,095	Hey space, truth be told I don't normally have a way with Pans I've only tried twice before and one time they refused to fruit. What I'd like to do is spawn the WBR jars 5:1 to hpoo, let that fully colonize and then case with 1/2" of coco coir. Then induce fruiting. __________________ When the going gets wierd the wierd turn pro!

10-28-09, 16:57	#4 (permalink)
spacecake Universal Mod Join Date: May 1972 Posts: 4,734	So.. I don't get it...,what's the problem now ? __________________ "As a child, i could walk on the ceiling. I'd butterfly up on the walls"

10-28-09, 17:01	#5 (permalink)
chill celtic tiger Join Date: May 1972 Posts: 1,095	I have a new roommate who is squeemish about this hobbie. She's a little unreasonable that way actually. She's cool with the idea over all (she's a friend and that's why I picked her) but I suspect that pasteurizing hpoo in the oven is more than she can handle right now. So basically I'm skipping the spawning to hpoo step and going straight to casing. I'll probably move to outdoor pasteurization using water baths eventually but right now I'm not setup for that. __________________ When the going gets wierd the wierd turn pro!

10-28-09, 17:11	#6 (permalink)
spacecake Universal Mod Join Date: May 1972 Posts: 4,734	Why not sterilize the poo then ? That's the way I do it most of the time,sterilize the poo in closed jars..,no smell this way and very clean. Casing WBR only probably won't do much. __________________ "As a child, i could walk on the ceiling. I'd butterfly up on the walls"

10-28-09, 17:15	#7 (permalink)
chill celtic tiger Join Date: May 1972 Posts: 1,095	I thought that pasteurization was preferred over steralization as we want the beneficial bacteria to survive; which they won't when steralized. Also, then what is the preferred spawn ratio with steralized poo? I assume it would be less as the poo will be less resistant to contamination requiring faster colonization times. __________________ When the going gets wierd the wierd turn pro!

10-28-09, 17:20	#8 (permalink)
spacecake Universal Mod Join Date: May 1972 Posts: 4,734	I use a spawn ratio of 5:1 (Poo:spawn) ! I have never noticed any big difference in sterilizing and pasteurizing. Infact.. I got less contamination problem with sterilizing then with pasteurizing( with Pans). With Cubies it's the other way around for me,then I prefer to pasteurize. __________________ "As a child, i could walk on the ceiling. I'd butterfly up on the walls"

10-28-09, 17:23	#9 (permalink)
chill celtic tiger Join Date: May 1972 Posts: 1,095	Really, eh? Well I'm sold. I'll steralize and spawn. Thanks space. By the way, what is the optimum depth of substrate for pans? Cubies is 4" but pans are 2"...? __________________ When the going gets wierd the wierd turn pro!

10-28-09, 17:30	#10 (permalink)
spacecake Universal Mod Join Date: May 1972 Posts: 4,734	1" - 2" is fine... And case just so you don't see no substrate anymore. __________________ "As a child, i could walk on the ceiling. I'd butterfly up on the walls"

10-28-09, 17:32	#11 (permalink)
chill celtic tiger Join Date: May 1972 Posts: 1,095	sweet. thanks __________________ When the going gets wierd the wierd turn pro!

10-28-09, 17:54	#12 (permalink)
MushroomJoe Mycotechnician Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 235	I'm eager to see how this turns out, I have not her tried pans. G/L __________________ "We are a way for the Universe to know itself, we are starstuff contemplating the stars." - Carl Sagan ~Temet Nosce~

10-28-09, 17:56	#13 (permalink)
chill celtic tiger Join Date: May 1972 Posts: 1,095	I'll be steralizing tonight and will turn it into a grow log. Hopefullly it will "pan out". __________________ When the going gets wierd the wierd turn pro!

10-28-09, 20:19	#14 (permalink)
P4ulada Mycotopiate Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 696	Let´s see your pans huhu __________________ *I don´t know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.*

10-29-09, 22:15	#18 (permalink)
copelandiaKidd Void Of Boundaries Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 578	this post excites me!!!!!! Hey, im easy to please!!!!! __________________ "LEARN THE RULES SO YOU CAN BREAK THEM PROPERLY" -The Dali lama "i don't care if it eats my cat, as long as the damn thing fruits"~ prism

10-28-09, 23:53	#15 (permalink)
chill celtic tiger Join Date: May 1972 Posts: 1,095	Here are two of the 4 jars that I will be working with. The mycelium is thinner and a bit off white. But I think that is normal with pans. I don't have a lot of experience with them so if I've missed anything let me know. Attached Thumbnails __________________ When the going gets wierd the wierd turn pro!

10-29-09, 15:22	#16 (permalink)
spacecake Universal Mod Join Date: May 1972 Posts: 4,734	Looks very good. __________________ "As a child, i could walk on the ceiling. I'd butterfly up on the walls"

10-29-09, 21:37	#17 (permalink)
chill celtic tiger Join Date: May 1972 Posts: 1,095	OK, spawned to 6 cups of poo. The cakes were soft and almost mushy, unlike cubie cakes which are very firm. From what I remember pan mycelium is very delicate so I'm hoping that this means that the cakes are still healthy. In fact, I didn't even have to use a cheese grater, I just crumbled them lightly with my fingers. __________________ When the going gets wierd the wierd turn pro!

11-11-09, 12:44	#19 (permalink)
chill celtic tiger Join Date: May 1972 Posts: 1,095	OK, so it's been a few feeks since the last update. Not sure how I'm doing but will post pics for advice. The first pic is of about three days after spawning. Seems to be colonizing nicely. I'm covering the sub with wax paper to keep the moisture in. Pic 2 is about 5 or 6 days after spawning. I left it too long and now I have overlay(?). It could be contamination but I'm not sure as my Pan experience is limited. Feedback anyone? Pic 3 is of the second container and I think it is a bit healthier. Pic 4 is about 4 days after casing. I'm hoping this is healthy Pan mycelium poking through. It is a bit grey and wispy so I'm hopeful. Unfortunately only the one container is showing. I'm managing the casing by moving it around to cover up the myc that is showing and to reduce the casing layer from the parts that are too thick. Pic5 is a side view of the container that isn't yet poking through the casing layer. It's hard to see but notice that some of the myc is thicker and whiter. It looks more like cubie myc than pan myc. Any feedback? Attached Thumbnails __________________ When the going gets wierd the wierd turn pro!

11-11-09, 12:50	#20 (permalink)
chill celtic tiger Join Date: May 1972 Posts: 1,095	I also have some jars that I made from a pan potatoe water LC. They are also showing the same thick, white mycelium growth that has me concerned. Attached Thumbnails __________________ When the going gets wierd the wierd turn pro!

11-11-09, 13:08	#21 (permalink)
BGB the one who ate too many. Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 250	That second pic looks like wetspot IMO. Maybe others will chime in... __________________ out of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most...

11-11-09, 13:26	#22 (permalink)
spacecake Universal Mod Join Date: May 1972 Posts: 4,734	Hard to tell if Pan Myc is contaminated. I almost threw away some Pan clones two weeks ago..,because it looked and smelled like Trich AND Cobweb,but it turned out to be healthy myc ! Picture three looks perfect tho...that's what I know for sure ! __________________ "As a child, i could walk on the ceiling. I'd butterfly up on the walls"

11-11-09, 13:28	#23 (permalink)
chill celtic tiger Join Date: May 1972 Posts: 1,095	hey space, would you say that the jars are ok then? If so I was thinking of taking them out and putting them in the fridge until the grow chamber is freed up from the casings. __________________ When the going gets wierd the wierd turn pro!

11-11-09, 13:32	#24 (permalink)
spacecake Universal Mod Join Date: May 1972 Posts: 4,734	Yes,I do... Never throw away Pan Myc. untill your absolutely sure it contamed (because of sporulating spores or whatever...). __________________ "As a child, i could walk on the ceiling. I'd butterfly up on the walls"

11-11-09, 13:35	#25 (permalink)
Dr.Hallucination. Chasing the Rabbit. Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,820	That tub is looking really nice chill,I can not wait to see what comes of it.Sending good Pan vibes your way. __________________ The man who walk's through the door on the wall,Will never be quite the same,As the man who went out.

11-11-09, 14:13	#26 (permalink)
Om shanti S.W.I.M. in H.POO Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,297	I must admit I don't like the look of the mycelium popping up in circles on the fourth pic of the tubs (http://forums.mycotopia.net/attachme...r-dscn1126.jpg) but I hope it's just me, and it probably is since the two pan Gurus () didn't mention it. Which pre-casing picture does this tub correspond to, is that pic 2 with the heavy overlay in the middle? A few q's: What's the casing? Is it coir? and how thick is the casing? It's just that it looks pretty thick on the last tub picture in profile. and what strain is it? Hope you get lots of pans!! Good vibes sent. __________________ The most important thing is to find out what is the most important thing.-S. Suzuki

11-11-09, 14:23	#27 (permalink)
spacecake Universal Mod Join Date: May 1972 Posts: 4,734	Circles is indeed not a good sign (trich ?)... But still I would let it go,and see what happens. __________________ "As a child, i could walk on the ceiling. I'd butterfly up on the walls"

11-11-09, 15:03	#29 (permalink)
Om shanti S.W.I.M. in H.POO Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,297	I'm almost certain the pans will not be able to get through where it's almost an inch thick, and even 1/2 inch is a bit much I think. Around 1/4 inch is what is often recommended for pans. So I think it's a good idea to remove some from the thicker parts like you wrote above. It will be interesting to see what kind of pans pop up. The giants or the tiny but potent ones!! :-) __________________ The most important thing is to find out what is the most important thing.-S. Suzuki

11-11-09, 19:32	#30 (permalink)
chill celtic tiger Join Date: May 1972 Posts: 1,095	casing reduced to a thin layer. __________________ When the going gets wierd the wierd turn pro!

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