Need help with case

thebluwell · 11-03-09, 13:49

Ok i made a caseing with perlit on the bottem then mix verm and peat moss and put it over the perlit when i opend the jars it was fully colonized and around the side it had what it looked like was a very small spot of green that i cut away with a knife. {the jars was colonized wbs} then i put the wbs over top of the vem/peat moss 50/50 .... and put a small layer over top of that then i put alu..foil over the tub and put it in a black trash bag and into a box there are small wholes in the foil will this work and what is the next step

Om shanti · 11-03-09, 15:26

I'm not sure I understand you correctly, but is the casing ready colonized now? If so, then I guess next step is fruiting. Do you have an FC/tub/box to fruit it in?

Or did you just case the colonized wbs now? If so then let it incubate until it's colonized, it may take some days, or a week, depending on your temperatures among other things.

But be on the watch for any more green, because it could be that there is more than what first showed up. It's only the mold spores that are green, the mold mycelium is also white. Did you sterilize or pasteurize the casing mix? Peat moss is very prone to green mold if it isn't prepared well. (I learned that the hard way.)

BTW, normally you wouldn't use perlite mixed in with the substrate/casing as I understand you did, but only in the bottom of your tub/other FC. However, it should do no harm.

Good luck!!

zodd · 11-03-09, 16:14

if your going to try cutting green away might be good to cutt two times the area that looks to be visually effected. as the mycelium of trichoderma is white and will not be visible until spore production starts. the spores are green, so you've just cut the spores off. that’s not to say there wont be more nicely camouflaged contaminant mycelium that be ready to reproduce.

did you say that you used peat for your casing mix? did you balance your ph with lime? how are you fruiting? is it in a tub? what temps are you incubating at. these will be good questions for more accurate advise.

thebluwell · 11-03-09, 21:24

ok i have three tubs that are clear i got one tub casing and the other 2 i just mixed verm and peat moss and put alumfoil over the top with whole in it. set a humidifier beside them and cut the heat on now the caseingis in a black trash bag siting on top of a heat pad in a box bout 85%f dont know humidity so am i fruting the 2 tubs that are siting out they are just on top of a box i leave a night light on at night what do i need to do know can you help or tell me where im wrong

Om shanti · 11-04-09, 05:38

Sorry, thebluewell, but it's pretty hard to understand what you write because you use practically no punctuation. Also, if you could take some pictures it would help a lot.

ONe tub with casing ? Colonized?
Two tubs where you just mixed the spawn with verm and peat, and didn't put a casing layer on top? Colonized?

If they are colonized your fruiting setup sounds ok, if temperatures are good, and it allows some fresh air exchange, or you fan manually. You should also keep humidity up but that depends on how deep your substrate is, if you have perlite in the bottom of the tub, etc. You don't want it too wet either.

zodd · 11-04-09, 06:55

im struggling too here. you need to paint a bigger picture so we can know what’s going on. Otherwise were just going to be aiming at stars if you know what i mean. Detail and like om said pictures help too. like they say a picture can say a thousand words.

im going to try and dissect your post so as to see if i can get a better understanding

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Originally Posted by thebluwell

ok i have three tubs that are clear i got one tub casing (what with?) and the other 2 i just mixed verm, and peat moss(peat moss is notorious for contaminig when no ph buffer is used) and put alumfoil over the top with whole in it. set a humidifier beside them(why) and cut(did you mean put) the heat on. now the caseingis in a black trash bag siting on top of a heat pad in a box bout 85%f (my experience with heat pads is that they tend to dry out substraits that they touch leaving large areas of un colonised material for contamination to to take advantage of) dont know humidity so am i fruting the 2 tubs that are siting out (are you fruiting inside a tub or do you mean, out out? like in open air?) they are just on top of a box i leave a night light on at night (not necessary i dont believe) what do i need to do know can you help or tell me where im wrong

hope this helps

zodd

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11-03-09, 13:49	#1 (permalink)
thebluwell Mycophiliac Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 28	Need help with case Ok i made a caseing with perlit on the bottem then mix verm and peat moss and put it over the perlit when i opend the jars it was fully colonized and around the side it had what it looked like was a very small spot of green that i cut away with a knife. {the jars was colonized wbs} then i put the wbs over top of the vem/peat moss 50/50 .... and put a small layer over top of that then i put alu..foil over the tub and put it in a black trash bag and into a box there are small wholes in the foil will this work and what is the next step

11-03-09, 15:26	#2 (permalink)
Om shanti S.W.I.M. in H.POO Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,300	I'm not sure I understand you correctly, but is the casing ready colonized now? If so, then I guess next step is fruiting. Do you have an FC/tub/box to fruit it in? Or did you just case the colonized wbs now? If so then let it incubate until it's colonized, it may take some days, or a week, depending on your temperatures among other things. But be on the watch for any more green, because it could be that there is more than what first showed up. It's only the mold spores that are green, the mold mycelium is also white. Did you sterilize or pasteurize the casing mix? Peat moss is very prone to green mold if it isn't prepared well. (I learned that the hard way.) BTW, normally you wouldn't use perlite mixed in with the substrate/casing as I understand you did, but only in the bottom of your tub/other FC. However, it should do no harm. Good luck!! __________________ The most important thing is to find out what is the most important thing.-S. Suzuki

11-03-09, 16:14	#3 (permalink)
zodd Maniacal Laughter Mwahaa! Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 588	if your going to try cutting green away might be good to cutt two times the area that looks to be visually effected. as the mycelium of trichoderma is white and will not be visible until spore production starts. the spores are green, so you've just cut the spores off. that’s not to say there wont be more nicely camouflaged contaminant mycelium that be ready to reproduce. did you say that you used peat for your casing mix? did you balance your ph with lime? how are you fruiting? is it in a tub? what temps are you incubating at. these will be good questions for more accurate advise. __________________ who would win between a monkey and a dog?

11-04-09, 05:38	#5 (permalink)
Om shanti S.W.I.M. in H.POO Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,300	Sorry, thebluewell, but it's pretty hard to understand what you write because you use practically no punctuation. Also, if you could take some pictures it would help a lot. ONe tub with casing ? Colonized? Two tubs where you just mixed the spawn with verm and peat, and didn't put a casing layer on top? Colonized? If they are colonized your fruiting setup sounds ok, if temperatures are good, and it allows some fresh air exchange, or you fan manually. You should also keep humidity up but that depends on how deep your substrate is, if you have perlite in the bottom of the tub, etc. You don't want it too wet either. __________________ The most important thing is to find out what is the most important thing.-S. Suzuki

11-03-09, 21:24	#4 (permalink)
thebluwell Mycophiliac Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 28	ok i have three tubs that are clear i got one tub casing and the other 2 i just mixed verm and peat moss and put alumfoil over the top with whole in it. set a humidifier beside them and cut the heat on now the caseingis in a black trash bag siting on top of a heat pad in a box bout 85%f dont know humidity so am i fruting the 2 tubs that are siting out they are just on top of a box i leave a night light on at night what do i need to do know can you help or tell me where im wrong

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