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Old 11-05-09, 13:30   #1 (permalink)
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Ps. cyanofriscosa surprise fruiting

I've been a horticulturist for several years now. In 2006 I had some mushrooms fruit in one of my houseplants. I keep my houseplants on the back porch through the summer, only bringing them in when the nighttime temperatures drop below freezing.

I'm no mushroom expert, but it looked like these mushrooms were Psilocybes. At the same time, I couldn't believe it. Where did they come from? I tried to key them out, but the mushrooms didn't quite match anything I found in a book. They weren't quite cyanescens and weren't quite azurescens. I was so frustrated! I didn't eat them. I tacked the spore prints to my wall above my computer so I could keep this mushroom in mind. The dried mushrooms sat on the windowsill near the sporeprints.

Here's what I think initially happened:

Back in 2005 I repotted the houseplant the mushrooms fruited in. I didn't have quite enough potting soil, so I mixed decorative bark into the soil. I'll never know if the spores were in the potting soil or on the bark, but I inadvertently provided good enough conditions for about four mushrooms to fruit. I lived in the SF Bay Area from 1988 to 2000 too, so maybe the spores traveled in the plants I brought with me.

In 2007 I started thinking about these mushrooms again after they fruited in the same houseplant once more. I buried the dried caps in a few of my orchids (mistakenly thinking they'd grow and fruit in pure bark) and buried one cap and a few spore prints in another houseplant. At the time I knew absolutely nothing about propagating wood lovers, but I noticed the mycelium was rapidly consuming the potting soil.

Last spring I bought Mycelium Running. A huge lightbulb went off in my head. I carefully checked the houseplant I'd buried the spore prints in and noticed the soil had been run through with the mycelium of this mystery mushroom. The houseplant spent the summer outside. I put a layer of Coconut husk over the potting soil to keep the humidity high. I also placed rock slabs over the soil to prevent Chipmunks from digging in the plant while it was outside. In late September I noticed pins forming! I took photos of the entire fruiting process.

After doing a lot of online reading, I've decided that the mushrooms are probably Ps. cyanofriscosa. What do you think?

Also, last June I took pieces of myceliated wood out of the original houseplant and placed them on soaked cardboard. The mycelium spread like wildfire. I added wood chips and those were consumed too. I'm figuring that if I can get them to fruit in potting soil, pretty much accidentally, I'll have a good amount of mushrooms next fall from colonized hardwood chips!

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Old 11-05-09, 13:42   #2 (permalink)
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those are my favorits species. that is like the greatest suprise ever!!!!!!!!:eusa_cl ap
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Old 11-05-09, 13:54   #5 (permalink)
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Interesting preface and surprising result Lucky
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Old 11-05-09, 14:01   #6 (permalink)
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What color was the print? Can we get a 100% positive ID here? Alan, you around?

Edit: oops, missed the print in the last pic
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Old 11-05-09, 14:09   #7 (permalink)
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that is probably the most fortunate series of events i've heard about in quite a while! what luck! are you knowledgeable in agar cloning? maybe if you go that route you would more easily be able to identify/propagate those mushrooms.

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Old 11-05-09, 14:10   #8 (permalink)
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Old 11-05-09, 14:20   #9 (permalink)
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Absolutely fascinating!

They look like mine:

http://forums.mycotopia.net/fungi-gr...pe-2009-a.html (CYANOFRISCOSA - CENTRAL EUROPE 2009)
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Old 11-05-09, 14:25   #10 (permalink)
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lol i was just going to reply to your pm and ask you!

they might be.. need spores and preferably gill sample to be sure.

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Old 11-05-09, 14:35   #11 (permalink)
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What were the fruiting temps? (day and night)
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Old 11-05-09, 14:37   #12 (permalink)
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You Lucky SOB

!!!!Good for you!!!!

Iv been trying to get my hands on a Frisco print for ages now...and you just got the actual mush by shear accident!!!!
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Old 11-05-09, 14:49   #13 (permalink)
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uheahu oh lucky guy! =]
Do you know what to do with them? Just kidding ^^
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Old 11-05-09, 15:06   #14 (permalink)
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Thanks, everyone! Yes, this is bizarre. I guess I'll never know exactly what happened. I don't know anything about agar cloning, but I've been having an easy time expanding the culture with the woodchips. That mycelium is hungry!

Nightflyer, the link you provided doesn't open up.

In September, when the houseplant was outside, the daytime temps were anywhere between 45 degrees F and 85 degrees F. At night it was anywhere between freezing and around 45 degrees. We had a cold snap and then it was unusually warm for where I live. 80 degree temperatures are unusual in late-summer and early fall. I brought the houseplant inside for good in late-September. It is kept on the office floor, where the temperature gets down to the low 50s at night and into the 60s during the day. It's chilly back there.

The entire time the mushrooms were pinning/fruiting, they were inside on the office floor, not outdoors.

Here are some more photos, including one of a spore print in natural light, rather than with a flash.
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well, they are not stuntzi or cyans. i think you may be right with your ID.

alan will know for sure.. i'll pm him.

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Wow that's gotta be one of the coolest things I've ever seen if it is the friscosa! What a hardy species!
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http://forums.mycotopia.net/wild-mus...-district.html (Seattle: Cyanofriscosa SEM and Amanita U-District)

yup. pretty good comparison.

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nice random mushroom to have growing in your house plants!
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That is awesome,great story and very cool pictures MycoMistress.
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Nightflyer, the link you provided doesn't open up.
They look quite similar:

http://forums.mycotopia.net/fungi-gr...pe-2009-a.html (CYANOFRISCOSA - CENTRAL EUROPE 2009)
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Thanks, nightflyer. They do look very similar!
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Those are Friscosa's, no doubt.

Cool story
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thats really awesome, loved the story too lol
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Those are Friscosa's, no doubt.

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Here's one more photo I took about a month ago of one of the tupperware containers I have cardboard in. I put in a chunk of an Aspen tree to see what would happen. A few days ago I added pasteurized Hickory chips. I'll take photos once things are established. I also have a few of the stem butts on cardboard to get them started. The mycelium is very aggressive.
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The entire time the mushrooms were pinning/fruiting, they were inside on the office floor, not outdoors.
What was the relative air humidity at that place?

In my experience, Psilocybe cyanofriscosa is able
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nightflyer, I'm not sure about the humidity. I'm sure it was fairly low. I live in a low-humidity climate. I did mist the rocks and coconut husk a few times a day with water from the creek near my house. I use the same water on my Shiitake and Reishi mushroom blocks. They seem to like it.

One mushroom tried to come up in the original plant this year. I didn't notice until it was too late. Since nothing came up in that plant last year, I figured it was done. The soil was too dry. The pin stopped growing when it was very small and turned dark blue.
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Thanks for the info!

That cardboard culture looks great!
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you really should eat them...

they came to you..it would not be polite to not talk with them

great pics
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they came to you..it would not be polite to not talk with them

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It's funny. I haven't taken any mushrooms, San Pedro, etc. for a long time, though I've been thinking about it. I've been waiting until it feels right again. You know? Since these mushrooms decided to show themselves to me, I guess the time has come. They know they'll be well taken care of.

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Friscosa's are good fresh and they are good dry. If you ever get the chance i'd highly recommend approximately 2 to 3 grams fresh for a nice handleable trip. They dry quick so if you miss the chance , no problem.

I find the high to be very colorful and visual. Blessings on your Friscosa find.
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Thanks, hyphenation. I've already dried them. I also have a few of this species from two years ago. They've been stored in a glass jar in a dark, cool place. I'm curious about potency loss over those years. I did eat a stem of one of the older mushrooms and got a nice sparkly feeling--definitely active. I can already tell the visuals will be out of this world!
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also i think this is a spore print strain that deserves to be sread...more hardy can not be

they sure wll be good for you
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Thanks, hyphenation. I've already dried them. I also have a few of this species from two years ago. They've been stored in a glass jar in a dark, cool place. I'm curious about potency loss over those years.
1 gram dry will be a nice experience. They hold their potency well.
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Those are Psilocybe cyanofriscosa. This is the first time I have seen them fruiting from plants. The mycelium is very aggressive, you should be able to expand it out really far if you give it lots of wood and good conditions.
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Thank you, Alan and fng.
I'm not sure why this species likes my houseplants. This species really seems to like it where I live. I don't know why it overcomes any competing species, but it does. I put spores in the potting soil and get these mushrooms. I don't use any pesticides or herbicides, but I do use Max-Sea fertilizer on my houseplants as well as fish emulsion. Whatever technique I'm using isn't good for yield, but perhaps I have a vigorous strain from all the neglect!
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clone it...
and take spore prints...


share the strain...it deserves it..

sometimes a certain strain or trait is a once in a livetime finding...(like tampanensis!!)


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Nothing too interesting here, but I thought I'd share a few photos of the mycelium in the houseplant where the mushrooms origiinally appeared. Last summer I was poking around in the plant to see if any mycelium was still alive and found some. I dug little holes and put fresh potting soil in them to replace bark chunks I'd put there. I also pressed a chunk of Hickory into the soil. The mycelium colonized the soil and the Hickory chunk (of course).

Today I decided to repot this plant. I added a bunch of soaked Hickory and Alder to the new pot and layered the wood chunks with the potting soil the mycelium seems to like. I added some mycelium to each layer.

You'll see in the first two photos how there is no mycelium anywhere except for the top inch or two..That's where I've been feeding it, so I guess that's where it wants to be. The third photo is of some tiny pieces of colonized wood I put on cardboard last June. It exploded into growth!



A belated thanks to waylitjim and nightflyer for their comments and advice!
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Very interesting informations, thanks!

Please keep us updated!
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would i ever be stoked to have some fricosa popping from my flower pots. this to me is a sign, that you should learn more about mushroom cultivation.
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Thanks, hyphenation. I've already dried them. I also have a few of this species from two years ago. They've been stored in a glass jar in a dark, cool place. I'm curious about potency loss over those years. I did eat a stem of one of the older mushrooms and got a nice sparkly feeling--definitely active. I can already tell the visuals will be out of this world!
Any more journeys to report? This is a remarkable story. My sibling has a Masters in Hortic. like you, ( and a PhD in Plant Pathology (Funghi speciality, I am almost tempted to ask his stodgy help given how "naturally" it comes to you!

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I'll keep everyone updated, nightflyer. The third photo in my last post shows the mycelium around two weeks after I put the wood on the cardboard, not after five months!

Phungivore, I am! I'm reading and learning everything I can. I'm even doing burns in our backyard, dumping Morel spores and mycelium on the ashes and mixing them in! Who knows if it will work, but it's easy enough to try!

I think I'll be wondering forever how cyanofriscosas just showed up in my houseplants. I'll never know! Arghh!

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minidonx, thank you. I don't have any degrees, but have been a plant person for almost 20 years now--even longer if you count me going out in the woods all the time with my plant and mushroom guides as a teenager. I've worked at nurseries and like to create a garden wherever I live, indoors and out! One nursery I worked at even had Salvia divinorum cutting for sale! This was a long time ago.

This isn't the first time I've worked with mushrooms. In the late-eighties I did an experiment with Ps. cubensis that was successful up to the casing stage. I had to abandon the project because I moved to another town and couldn't take my big, bright red plywood glove box with me and set it up. I look at the photos these days and realize how close it was to fruiting. I don't talk about this much because I'm embarrassed that I abandoned everything. I retrospect I should have kept studying mushrooms--maybe even pursued a degree in Mycology. I was so confused at that age.

It does seem to be time to do some experimenting/journeying again, with this mushroom appearing in my house.

I have a San Pedro forest in the living room too. Most people don't know what they are. I don't know what my housemates would think of me boiling up a bunch of cactus. Maybe I'll tell them I'm making a big batch of Chinese herbs--you know--for the winter flu season. "Sorry about the smell, guys!" Mushrooms are a bit more discrete.

So I've got a green thumb on one hand and now I'll work towards a blue thumb on the other!
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Boy YOU have NOTHING to be embarrassed about - what a fabulous MIND you have! You probably have the equivalent of a bunch of degrees, only better. Right?!

You've inspired me to considered some San Pedro growing, too. ROFLMAO about the Chinese Herbs. Nothing Like it for Flu. Ha!

Thanks for joining MYCO CHICKS, too.
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Thank you, minidonx!

San Pedro is fun to grow!
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