Drying Bacardi 151 for Psilo Extraction?

[Sidestreet Getaway]

I remember reading something similar to this regarding iso alky, and my recent feet-wetting with DMT extraction brought me to wonder about this:

What if someone were to use epsom salts, microwaved for 5 minutes, to remove water content from Bacardi 151? The salts would then be filtered out of the alcohol, leaving a higher-proof alcohol more suitable for psilo extraction...

I can't get everclear in my state. What do you think?

[copelandiaKidd]

it might work, im not versed in alcohols though!!

[Soliver]

I've read lots of talk about doing this, but never heard from anyone actually
doing it...

Seems to me you'd be better off getting a friend to send some to you, or order some
online (will they send to your state? I wonder....)



soliver

[Sidestreet Getaway]

^^^^

Sounds like it's time for an experiment.

Apparently having it shipped to me is an option, but it looks like the cost of shipping is almost as much as the bottle itself!

Sooo... what's a good way to tell if it works? Just by taste? How readily flammable it is? How quickly it burns my eyebrows off checking flammability?

[Mushroom Kingdom]

Originally Posted by Sidestreet Getaway

I remember reading something similar to this regarding iso alky, and my recent feet-wetting with DMT extraction brought me to wonder about this:

What if someone were to use epsom salts, microwaved for 5 minutes, to remove water content from Bacardi 151? The salts would then be filtered out of the alcohol, leaving a higher-proof alcohol more suitable for psilo extraction...

I can't get everclear in my state. What do you think?

Sorry man, I work in a chem lab and ethanol evaporates at 78.4 deg C (which is about 173 deg. F). If you heat this at all, you're gonna make your alcohol evap out, leaving you with just a ton of water. I'm not quite sure what the epsom salt is supposed to do.. absorb the water? But either way, if you heat the alcohol all you're gonna do is evap it out of the 151. NOW... if you want to do this properly, you can set up a distilation with the 151, and heat it to exactly 78.4 deg C and then everything collected off of that should be pure ethanol if you want more info on how to do this. PM me. Have you ever hear of goldgrain? its the same as everclear... try looking for that??

Originally Posted by Sidestreet Getaway

^^^^

Sounds like it's time for an experiment.

Apparently having it shipped to me is an option, but it looks like the cost of shipping is almost as much as the bottle itself!

Sooo... what's a good way to tell if it works? Just by taste? How readily flammable it is? How quickly it burns my eyebrows off checking flammability?

yah dude, pure ethanol tastes like shit. I took a shot of goldengrain once and I could have blown flames. pure ethanol evaps VERY quickly, has a strong alcohol smell and is HIGHLY FLAMMABLE!!!! You can heat it electrically, and be fine, but anything with sparks or a flame will cause you problems.

I hope this info helps, if you have any more questions hit me up!

[greenmeanie]

OP didn't suggest heating the bacardi, but drying it with epsom salts.

i would suggest using clear vodka instead of bacardi (cheaper, less dissolved sugar and flavorings)
and dry your MgSO4*7H2O in an oven for 15 minutes at 350F. let cool in closed oven before adding to vodka
it should pull H2O out of the vodka; filter and use as high proof ethanol.
you can determine your proof by taking the mass of exactly 1ml of the result and comparing it to a chart. pure water is 1g/ml, pure ethanol 0.789g/ml

[Sidestreet Getaway]

greenmeanie, now THAT's the answer I was looking for. And that's exactly what I was getting at. Now I just need a scale that can measure 1/1000 g.

[Mushroom Kingdom]

Originally Posted by greenmeanie

OP didn't suggest heating the bacardi, but drying it with epsom salts.

i would suggest using clear vodka instead of bacardi (cheaper, less dissolved sugar and flavorings)
and dry your MgSO4*7H2O in an oven for 15 minutes at 350F. let cool in closed oven before adding to vodka
it should pull H2O out of the vodka; filter and use as high proof ethanol.
you can determine your proof by taking the mass of exactly 1ml of the result and comparing it to a chart. pure water is 1g/ml, pure ethanol 0.789g/ml

even still i'm not quite sure this will work.... it is worth a try, but it might easier to just distill it. also, isn't epsom salt water soluble? Since water is soluble in ethanol, wont the epsom salt be soluble in ethanol too? Just something to think about. As far as i know swallowing epsom salt is a kind of laxitive (i'm not sure about the dose needed for this side effect, but...)... I guess give it a shot. Just make sure a toilet is near when you try it jk

[Sidestreet Getaway]

LOL I'll keep the TP handy... as for solubility, you would know better than me, I guess. So what about your distillation method? Is there a way to do this safely in my kitchen (apartment)?
I may just end up using the Bacardi straight up if epsom salt just dissolves in the alcohol... it wont be as good as Everclear, but I hear that in this hobby we can afford to be a little wasteful.

OK I just found this on a body building website. The credit goes to a "Dr. D" of Anabolicminds(dot)com:

Incase you wanted to make your own 200 Proof grain alcohol, here you go. These are directions on how to "dry" 750ml of "wet" 151 proof alcohol (either Baccardi or EverClear):
If you want to use "wet" alcohol, you just have to dry it out first. Get a desiccant like MgSO4 (common epsom salt). Dry it at 400'F for at least 4-6 hours and put it in a few coffee filters. Then slowly pour your alcohol over it while it's in a funnel. The salts catch the water and the dehydrated alcohol runs through. It's a sinch.
750ml of 151pf alcohol (75.5%) will yield 566.3ml of absolute, dehydrated alcohol (200pf). That means 183.7ml H2O must be removed. Each mole of MgSO4 can hold 7 moles of water, which corresponds to slightly over it's molecular weight or 105% it's weight in water (assuming it is totally dry) so roughly 175g of dried salts. I'd use about 300g though because it makes it much easier when you don't have to achieve 100% efficiency, that would get slow toward the end. You have to make a drying tube like I instructed you (a big funnel) and pour the alcohol in 2 equal portions over ~150g of salt each. Unless you have an enormous funnel, I'd just do 100ml alcohol at a time and then recharge the system with new filters and salt before the next round. The surface of the salts will get hard as it collects water. Occasionally you may need to break up the salts and mix them around in the funnel (about 4 coffee filters being used). Just don't puncture the paper when you do this.

[Thre365ive]

Personally, I would dry my MgSO4 in the oven, then add a shitload to a bottle of Everclear (they make 151 Everclear, get that instead of Bacardi) wait 20 minutes or so then filter it out. I know it definitely works for IPA.

[Sidestreet Getaway]

^^^

When I first heard of this method, it was used for drying IPA...

SO what I'll do tonight is get a fifth of Bacardi (or Everclear 151 if I can find it), use the epsom salts on half of it, and then compare the weights of equal volumes of booze, one volume salted, one volume not. According to greanmeanie's numbers, the volume of dried alcohol should weigh less...

[SilvrHairDevil]

This will work...

http://www.milehidistilling.com/Zeol...nt_p/13030.htm

[Sidestreet Getaway]

Good tip, thanks.

[Shadowlord]

The Baked epsom salts will pull the water out of the alcohol.

Sidestreet, I hope you take some Pics for us and I hope your extraction goes great.
You'll also have to give a trip report and let us know how things go.
I have troubles w/ eating mush sometimes and wonder if an extract would make it more friendly to me or not so I'd love to hear about your results and reactions.

Have a good one Sidestreet.

[Sidestreet Getaway]

Shadowlord, I'll be sure to get plenty of pics and do a nice writeup. I hear that extracts such as this are much easier on the body load, especially if you use some citric acid (This idea is from TVCasualty). I've tried soaking dried material in lime juice for twenty minutes before ingesting, and it seemed to work. I didn't yawn much at all, and there were no jitters or tenseness. This was with a low dose, mind you...

[Mushroom Kingdom]

I'm very curious to see if this works! i hope it does, but if not PM me on how to properly distill alcohol.

[Sidestreet Getaway]

In the process now, I poured the alcohol through a funnel with a coffee filter full of baked epsom salts. The weight difference between two 100 mL volumes was negligible, barely a gram or two. I feel the difference should be at least several grams, right?

So now I'm baking more epsom salt, I'm going to let it soak in the booze for a good half-hour before straining, and we'll see what happens...

Pass or fail, I'll do a writeup with pics...

[Thre365ive]

Just make sure to throw a LOT of MgSO4 in there. You don't want it to just dissolve into the water/azeotrope portion.

[Sidestreet Getaway]

I'm using 150 g Epsom for half a fifth of bacardi. I'll break it up more thoroughly this time, too. I'm just afraid it's going to dissolve into the booze and go right through the filter... if this is the case, at least we'll know it doesn't werk...

[bugs]

Good thread. We can't get everclear here either, and though green dragon with Bacardi worked fine I've been wanting to try it with a higher proof. Also for hash oil, mush extraction etc.

[Sidestreet Getaway]

OK, so I used two different methods, one involved pouring the alcohol through a coffee filter stuffed with epsom, the other involved soaking the epsom in the alcohol for a few minutes and then straining.

The second method gave me a much lighter colored product (on the left here):



BUT the sg of water is 1 g/mL, and for ethanol it's .789 g/mL. SO I was expecting to see a weight difference between 100 mL of before booze vs. after booze. 100 mL of pure ethanol should weigh 78.9 grams, and 100 mL of Bacardi 151 before tampering should weigh somewhere between that and 100 grams.

Unfortunately, there was very little weight difference between any of it. The Bacardi weighed in at 90 g, the first method gave me a product which weighed 89 g, and the second was about the same. BOO! The weight did go down a tidge, which is good, but not enough to make me think it worked.

So all in all, the summation is thus: FAIL.

Whatever. I'm still going to go ahead and powder up something to drop in there.

Comments?

Edit: I still see stuff settling out of both jars, so I'm going to try to freeze precipitate and pour off the booze, to see if I can get more epsom salt out of it.

[SilvrHairDevil]

How much did the 150 gm of Epsom salts weigh after you baked it? The difference between before and after baking is the weight of the water you can expect it to extract.

Have you though of using Damprid? Or plain calcium chloride from the pool supply store?

I'm not real clear on why you need anhydrous alcohol in the first place.

[CoyoteMesc]

The 'stuff' you see is sugar isnt it?

I need to go through this thread from post 2.

Sorry for posting before reading it all. I have seen sugar settle like that. Its why many use clear liqueur.

Nice thread, I love psilly extractions. Merm does too...lmao (she really doesnt, she dosed a bit too much one time, kinda an inside joke but comical if you can imagine.

[Soliver]

Nope - that's just the results from the "drying" of the rum....

I'd suggest against using epsom-salt laden booze for an extraction.
The stomach distress you encounter from the salts may outweigh the benefits of an
extraction (which are huge, IME).

Even if the shipped price of the everclear matches the price of the bottle, it's worth
it - you don't need much, and a fifth of everclear will make more extract than you
will need for several years, assuming you're not going commercial or dosing every
weekend..



soliver

[Sidestreet Getaway]

Right on, Sol. Even if it did work, it's almost not worth the trouble... I already started an extract... I used the liquor from the first method I used, which shouldn't have picked up much of the salt. I only poured it through a coffee filter full of chunky epsom salt, rather than soaking the salt in it.

Lesson learned!

I can't wait to try extract. Body load is tough for me, because I have to dose high to get a full visionary experience.

Edit: for those of us who can't get 190 proof everclear, your local liquor store will probably be willing to order 151 proof everclear, which is probably the best for this sort of thing...

[CoyoteMesc]

Originally Posted by Soliver

Nope - that's just the results from the "drying" of the rum....

I'd suggest against using epsom-salt laden booze for an extraction.
The stomach distress you encounter from the salts may outweigh the benefits of an
extraction (which are huge, IME).

Even if the shipped price of the everclear matches the price of the bottle, it's worth
it - you don't need much, and a fifth of everclear will make more extract than you
will need for several years, assuming you're not going commercial or dosing every
weekend..



soliver

really? whats drying and falling out of the rum, the sediment, what is it, sugar?
Similar to sterile LC's with no mycelium and sterile, same thing can happen if it is heated at too high of temps.

[Leftover Salmon]

When I first heard of this method, it was used for drying IPA...

What is IPA? India Pale Ale?

How close are you to Colorado Sidestreet? Just curious. .

Hit me on the PM I could lend a hand ya dig?

[Sidestreet Getaway]

IPA is Isopropyl Alcohol.

I'm far away from Colorado.

[Mushroom Kingdom]

Sidestreet, as i said before you can set up a simple distillation where in one round bottom flask you have the alcohol heated to the exact boiling temp of ethanol, and then a "catcher", to catch all the ethanol in another flask. here is a link to the wiki.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distillation

this will work and yield very pure ethanol, its just about finding a ghetto way to make it work hope it helps!!

[losfreddy]

no, it doent work. I have researched this long ago. It messes up when u go to evaporate. something about the chemistry doesnt work out. There is a possibility that u could extract it into the liquor and then just drink the liquor. Its not like making hash. I think u would be wasting yoour resources. Surley if it works, there would be post all over the net about it. and i would recommend everclear since its bassically grain ethanol

[Lazlo]

I "think" it takes longer to turn epsom salts into anyhdrous magnesium sulfate. 2 hours @ 400 degrees.

[Thre365ive]

Originally Posted by Lazlo

I "think" it takes longer to turn epsom salts into anyhdrous magnesium sulfate. 2 hours @ 400 degrees.

4 hours, actually.

[blackout]

Originally Posted by Mushroom Kingdom

if you want to do this properly, you can set up a distilation with the 151, and heat it to exactly 78.4 deg C and then everything collected off of that should be pure ethanol

This will not work, many people wrongly believe this myth/misconception. I have made my own fractional distillation column and have studied distillation a lot. The best site by FAR is www.homedistiller.org which will debunk all the myths & misconceptions