The Professors "ratt" controversy

[don't know]

This is from my upcoming resurrection of fanaticus.com next month -
huge write up (including plea agreement - sentencing hearing and all
kinds of juicy documents that will clear up all questions).

There is a big controversy about my claim of a "ratt" being in the mix.
Will here is something to get started with.

THE RATT

When all of this started, I had a very serious suspicion that I was actually informed on by a friend who wound up in the Federal Detention Center at Seatac by being busted with several bags of weed (possession with intent to distribute). What happened to him was that after doing 10 days in jail, he was released with a 10 dollar fine, no probation, no charges, no record and no required drug treatment (a must in cases like that) and U.A.'s. Here is the list of suspicions that indicate I was ratted on.

As revealed in my case DISCOVERY, when I opened my Post office box out here at the forest (in 1998), they began watching me. Every time a ranger would go by, they would take note on what they would see happening at my house, which was basically nothing. But they would document any vehicles parked in front.

For example, I had a friend musician visit me once and stayed overnight and he had an old Ford econoline van. That Ford van's prescence in my driveway was reported by the park rangers (in the discovery).

When I moved out here, I made friends with two guys. Let me refer to them as Dad and Son. We liked to smoke weed and they always had some for sale of which I would always buy from them. They were here a lot. They always parked their pickup truck in front. That truck was never mentioned in the Discovery. I looked for it and it just wasn't there. That is very strange because of all the visiting vehicles that were here and listed in the discovery, that truck was here the most - number one.

The Dad got busted a few years ago with weed plants growing on his property. He was put on a drug deferment thing and he had to stay straight for two years. Me and the son would be smoking and dad would have to stay straight. Then finally, after two years passed, Dad could smoke weed again. But he had that conviction of weed growing.

In Late summer of 2002, The dad and son were up at LAKE CRESCENT (Olympic national park) and they were parked and smoking a joint. They were busted by Park Rangers. They got dad and son with several ounces of bagged weed. (intent to distribute I would guess).

A couple of weeks after their bust, I was visited by dad and son. Dad had his truck, the son had a great bag of primo weed and we were all smoking. In fact, I bought that great weed and when I was raided, it was that very bag that the D.E.A. got, and even they knew that is was primo skunk bud. The son said he just got out of the Federal Detention center at SEA TAC. He did 10 days. The Dad had no charges against him and the son was free and clear, with a $10 fine, no probation, no charges, no drug treatment, no drug testing and free to do his usual thing - deal drugs and do odd jobs. They really are two decent guys, but they don't come over anymore and I don't invite them, and I try to avoid them.

A few months after that, here comes the DEA.

It all adds up that the son ratted on me when he was in jail. One doesn't get off easy like that when caught by the feds (Park Rangers) with several bags of weed. He should have gotten at least a federal probation rap and drug testing, AT LEAST! When I told the story to my probation officer, without batting an eyelid, he said, "absolutely, your suspicions are well founded". "That kind of thing happens all the time".

So what it means, if that is true, is that the information given to the feds by the son in jail, was all they needed to do their raid on me. The lead up investigations were really not enough to get a search warrant, but information from someone under arrest and in jail who becomes an informant, is all cops need to pull of a raid. Informants are the heart of the drug war. Without informants, the cops have to SEE the drugs - like sales and trafficking observed by the cops. And in my case, they spent several months preparing for the raid, because that is what the Feds do. It was important for them to get a good search warrant and really get the goods so they could slam me and stop what I was doing - hence the few months between the sons information and the raid.

So I talked to my lawyers and my probation officer about the informant thing. My probation officer said I could never get any info about the C.I. (case informant) from the US attorneys office or D.E.A. My wife's lawyer told me to try and get the information by sending a request to the US Justice dept. It is called FOI PA - "freedom of information privacy act". And amazingly, they answered my letters. But unfortunately, because the information involved a third party (the ratt), I was denied any info from the Office of the US Attorneys - Washington D.C. So it will have to remain my profound suspicion.

And last of all, I was not raided because of my small shroom grow, but because of my so called "illegal" spore biz. To know how a drug raid is pulled off, all one needs to do is watch "COPS" on T.V. (my favorite T.V. show) and how they do it. First they do surveillance and see the trafficking and drug selling. Then they do buys with marked money. That gives them the evidence they need for a search warrant and then they go in and make the arrests. The cops never saw my little grow op and just because I sold spores, doesn't mean I had to have a grow op. But an informant will get the search warrant right off the bat. I have been watched by the cops since I opened my spore biz back in 1991. I know that for an absolute fact, but there never was a raid, because the spores are really not illegal (at least so far) and only a handful of people have ever seen my tiny grow op - I kept that very under wraps.

THE Professor

[the_other_chap]

Being in the UK, I don't know how the Feds work, but there are a number of points which seem odd to me.

And in my case, they spent several months preparing for the raid, because that is what the Feds do. It was important for them to get a good search warrant and really get the goods so they could slam me and stop what I was doing - hence the few months between the sons information and the raid.

What exactly is a "good" search warrant? As I understand it, a warrant is a warrant, and allows the search of a "named" premises.
I'd also expect a search to come soon after "information received". If they had information that you were doing something illegal, I'd expect them to raid ASAP so they could catch you while it was still going on.

If I'm reading your post correctly, it seems more likely that F&S sold you weed, then told the Feds that you had it.

[Hippie3]

only a handful of people have ever seen my tiny grow op

did that 'handful'
include Dad and/or son ?????

[don't know]

A "good search warrant" is based on PROBABLY CAUSE - and that probably cause
is first presented to a judge, who signs it and then off to the races. A search
warrant can be had within an hour if need be. And an informant is the USA
drug wars biggest "probably cause".

OH yeah Hip. Dad and Son knew everything about what i was doing. They been
up in my hobby lab, I even gave them shrooms, but then I quit doing that because
of my fear of somebody freaking out and fingering me. I gave the son syringes
and the PF TEK and told him to grow all he wanted, but shrooms weren't his thing -
he deals weed and his dad likes to grow it.

And I am saying the truth - only a handful of people ever saw my grow op. They only other person out here where I live was my next door neighbor - a good guy
who likes weed and smoked with me a lot. He didn't know what i did for a living for
months until I just wanted him to know - and I asked him to keep it a secret, but I
think he told his wife who told everybody else around here, but nobody saw
my little grow op except him.

The Professor

[don't know]

That's PROBABLE cause, not probably god damn it. I will quit with the POST
QUICK REPLY and just hit reply so I can my never ending typos.

The Professor

[Hippie3]

They been
up in my hobby lab

and there's yer sign.

he told his wife who told everybody else around here, but nobody saw
my little grow op except him

a different eye witness ?
gee, dude
dunno what say.
thought you knew better than that.
i lived in a house with a woman
for 2 years before i showed her
my secret garden,
she never had a clue.

[don't know]

and let me add one thing - I really felt even from the beginning
of PF, was that I was going to get in trouble. So I planned
it all - but I never expected a full blown swat D.E.A. raid complete
with a black helicopter to come swooping down. That was
beyond bizaar.

I did loose a lot, but in the end, it actually paid (my P.O. actually said in
one visit "Robert, it looks like in your case, crime paid". We kind of laughed
about that, but then I replied, "I was hoping you wouldn't mention that, because
I have actually been thinking that for months now".

If I never became PF - I would not be living happily out here in the Olympic
national park in my own crib with no morgages to be paid. So I got
3 years until I start getting my social security $1000 a month (made possible
by the years I spent paying taxes on the PF biz). Before that - being a musician
who ignored federal income taxes didn't do anything for my social security thing.
And what I was making as a musician and not becoming a rock fucking star
would have never given me what I have today.

So was I really a FOOL as some say? I knew what I was doing and played
the game and lost, but in the end, I think i won - (with some added grey hair)

The Professor

[don't know]

Originally Posted by Hippie3

and there's yer sign.

a different eye witness ?
gee, dude
dunno what say.
thought you knew better than that.
i lived in a house with a woman
for 2 years before i showed her
my secret garden,
she never had a clue.

Well, my next door neighbor was a good pal and he
has a normal family and they all really like me. In fact,
they wrote a letter to the judge telling the judge what
"great" people me and the wife were and how we helped
the community and all of that bull shit (to help in my
sentencing hearing). Anyway, judges don't give a shit
what ones friends think of them. My next door neighbor
doesn't deal drugs and keeps his weed smoking out of his
house so his kids don't see him. His wife disaproves of
weed but he doesn what the fuck he wants - he is a
fire fighter and works for the state.

HIP, About your woman - how in the fuck can you keep a
secret from a woman? I guess if you are not involved with
her you can.

The Professor

[Hippie3]

it was for her own good,
as well as mine.

[phalanx]

How come you got away with such an apparently light sentence for such a serious crime? Was it just forfeiture of property and a suspended sentence?

[don't know]

Originally Posted by phalanx

How come you got away with such an apparently light sentence for such a serious crime? Was it just forfeiture of property and a suspended sentence?

well, aparantly, the feds didn't wind up considering my crime
that "serious". Anyway, when my FANATICUS.COM goes back
on line - you can read about the whole mess in a very detailed
write up of my case (with plenty of court documents to show).

I think what happened to me is going down in history as a very
big event in the saga of the magic mushrooms. I mean look, I am
hear rapping to you - now. I aint dead or in prison or shut down.

The Professor

[alienprimate]

PF, I have to admit that I am curious though about your connection to "Mike O'Logical."

I think you may have said here somewhere that you know him. Obviously, he turned out to be a real asshole.

What is/was your connection to this guy, and did you really give him your "secret" spore formula?

[candykid420]

Interesting story. I've actually been following your story for awhile now, PF, as I'm sure everyone else has. All I can say is that if I ever get busted, I hope I get the same judge as you

[don't know]

Originally Posted by alienprimate

PF, I have to admit that I am curious though about your connection to "Mike O'Logical."

I think you may have said here somewhere that you know him. Obviously, he turned out to be a real asshole.

What is/was your connection to this guy, and did you really give him your "secret" spore formula?

I don't know him personally. The thing that happened, is that he emailed me and actually guessed the "secret" formula. That impressed me and I sold him a huge bunch bunch of syringes and he sent me money, plus because He sent me a fairly nice pile of dough, I told him the right formula (which he would have found out anyway). But I promised him to never reveal the formula so I have to stick to my word. Anyway, he quit with the spore syringes. He found it to be a real headache and a lot of worry.

He did send me a nice present - a cool mexican made fender strat and it is a great little guitar. I have a friend who bugged me for two weeks to sell it to him so he could hot rod it. But I told him is was just to cheap of a guitar to sell and besides, I use it all the time - even though it is a cheap mexi fender.

So I instructed Mike to never call me or email me and the same goes for me and he has stuck to the agreement. So I know nothing about the guy but all I know is that the thing between HIP, Mycotopia and PF JARS was nasty and some comment I made to HIP pissed the living fuck out of HIP and got me banned. I still haven't a clue what went on so I rest my case on that - total ignorance.

The Professor

[don't know]

Originally Posted by candykid420

Interesting story. I've actually been following your story for awhile now, PF, as I'm sure everyone else has. All I can say is that if I ever get busted, I hope I get the same judge as you

Yeah man, I did have a good judge (The HONORABLE Robert Bryon senior federal judge) - My magistrate Judge ARNOLD who signed the search warrant and adjuticated several of my first nightmarish court hearing scared the shit out of me. I thought he was the devil in the flesh. But then, my probation officer told me in his last visit, that Judge Arnold is actually a very liberal judge. When I look back, Judge Arnold really never hung me, he always let me out of jail when things were right (like when me wife shows up finally from vacation when I was first incarcerated for 8 days - Arnold let me out when my wife appeared at my second detention hearing). ANd then when I was arrested for doing a shroom growing knick knack sale at FANATICUS.COM, he let me out of jail (after spending over night - that was hell).

But let me give you a secret. My lawyer sucked and my wife's lawyer sucked and I paid my lawyer a huge fee. All lawyers suck. They didn't know shit about the magic shrooms and don't consider them in any intelligent way. That's what you get with straight arrow lawyers. And besides, I didn't have the time or the inclination to shop around,. But in retrospect, I could have gotten good representation for 7 grand instead of 25!!!!

But A musician judge friend of mine, who doesn't regard the shrooms intelligently either, said I need to really thank my lawyer for getting me a decent plea agreement and that it was money well spent and that judge friend has been on the bench for 9 years (previously a defense attorney).

I have talked a lot about my case with my musician Judge friend and he has not much to say about it. But when I talk to any friend about what happened, they all stand back in total amazement about how I was totally screwed over. But no legal person will say that - they just don't seem to understand how the US dept. of Justice has got some big ass fucking bull shit flaws, and that there is nothing a victime can do about once you are through the system and everything signed.

I asked the ACLU about the possibility of a law suit against the governement and they said the best thing to do is just talk about your experience and write letters and try to get publishings on it and let people know about it. So that is why I post here and will have a big web page on coming up that everybody is going to check for sure - it will answer all the questions and bring a really big final question - was PF really an "illegal" biz as the prosecution said. My wife's lawyer believed PF was legal but to prove that, would have meant going to trial to test it. Under heavy advice, I took the plea and went my way.

The Professor

[alienprimate]

Originally Posted by don't know

I don't know him personally. The thing that happened, is that he emailed me and actually guessed the "secret" formula....

Ahhhhh. Ok, well that makes some sense.

Originally Posted by don't know

So I know nothing about the guy but all I know is that the thing between HIP, Mycotopia and PF JARS was nasty and some comment I made to HIP pissed the living fuck out of HIP and got me banned. I still haven't a clue what went on so I rest my case on that - total ignorance.

The Professor

I certainly can't speak for Hip, or even claim to know everything. All I can do is tell you what I know from my perspective. I have not been lingering around here as long as many people, but I have been around long enough to know that Hip has integrity. Even if not everyone always shares his opinions on something, he isn't vindictive about it or even hold a grudge so long as everyone makes nice. I've seen Hip eat a lot of crap on his own site, when he doesn't have to, and manage to be more than fair and turn the other cheek.

But....Mike O'Logical crossed the line. From my perspective, shit began to happen about the time Hip started his own jar business, which of course competed with "Mike's." Mike got pissed and escalated matters. He tried to rat Hip out and have him locked up.

Now, come on, this kind of screwing with someone's life is serious shit. For Mike to pull out those guns over the issues between he and Hip truly shows Mike's slimy character.

That of course is the abbreviated version just from where I sit.

What does any of this have to do with you Prof? Well, Mike advertised blatantly that you gave him your spore formula, and essentially claimed to be endorsed by you. Mike turned out to be a dirty, dangerous snitch who is bad for this community. It obviously made people wonder where the Prof was coming from. Mike was acting very suspicious, and some people even speculated he was a narc. So his connection with you, PF, didn't reflect well on you.

I'm not saying this is your fault, I'm just saying it looked fishy. You also weren't around to put the rumors to rest.

[green_thumb]

wow. much has happened since i have been gone. i remember the poor profs bust and subsequent release, but nothing of mr. mike and hip. I hope that things have been or will be worked out.

Prof. Fanaticus - because of you, i have grown the mystical mushroom. i followed the pf tek and have reaped the benefits.

I have soared into the cosmos on a 10 gram trip while my limbs grew numb and became OUR limbs. As you have become Mr. Green Thumb, so have I become Mr. PF. You know exactly what I AM talking about.

You did what you were to do. You carried your cross, as we all carry our crosses. You sacrificed yourself for the betterment of society. And that society thanks you.

The imperialist dogs that seek power will always persue us, ostracize us, murder us. But their eternal misery fufills any vengence that we may seek.

Bless you all

[don't know]

Thanx GREEN THUMB for your comments - I dig where you are coming from.

ALIEN PRIMATE: One cannot really know anything about anothers character
with superficial communications via EMAIL or NET posting. With me and
MIKE: it all started out friendly and it ended quickly with agreements
to not communicate.

And I did think it was over board the way he used "PF" and all of that
in his web site promo's - but since FANATICUS was off line and all,
I thought that any promo is good to keep one in the public eye and
that is why I didn't mind it. But as you know, Mike has quit with the
spore syringes, and that is a wise move, because the word FANATICUS
is hot with the FEDS and to use the word can attract attention that one
doesn't need. And then there was the 1998 spore wars between
FANATICUS and it seems eveyone at the SHROOMERY had joined with the
HAWKSEYE and his pal SHAFT 420 in really savaging me and the PF TEK.

That is long over. THings like that do disappear over time. The Truth does
emerge, doesn't it? - especially if the wronged party keeps up the fight.

Oh by the way - these questions are really better than the ones in my
on line interview I did several months ago (pre banned period). I am going to
edit them and use them for "FINAL THOUGHTS" in my upcoming total expose'
of the ordeal I have gone through in the upcoming resurrection of
WWW.FANATICUS.COM.

The Professor

[alienprimate]

Thanks for responding to my questions and comments PF.

It's a big relief to hear your side of the story. It's also good to have you back around.

I remember when I first ordered from you, about eight years ago or so. I was fumbling around with a version of your tek (MMGG), not knowing at the time that it was a rip off of your PF Tek. I found your PO box in it though, which was a blessing. I was new to the scene and didn't know a thing. I literally woke up one morning with the drive in my head to find out how to grow mushrooms on the internet. Weird.

Up until about two years ago, I only knew about the Shroomery. I discovered Mycotopia when I saw a post of Hips over on the Shroomery. For a while I posted a little at both sites, but then I recognized that there is a whole different kind of crowd here, and the crowd at Shroomery had changed a great deal since I had first discovered it around eight years ago. I haven't looked back since. I stay here pretty much, and I haven't even been to Shroomery now since the whole blow up with Gerald. I saw that Shroomery wasn't a bit concerned about protecting their community, so I stay away.

Anyway, I'm not trying to inflame any political nonsense about what community is better, or anything like that. Just wanted to share how I discovered you. I found every single item I ever got from you to be of the highest quality. I even ordered a signed copy of your Tek quite a while ago! It's nice to have around.