LED Growing With The Current TEK - Page 2

bf74 · 07-11-09, 17:01

pics

bf74 · 07-14-09, 16:51

updates

prism · 07-14-09, 17:46

Hell yeah bro! Very Nice! Im excited to see that confidential!

bf74 · 07-14-09, 18:49

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Originally Posted by prism1234

Hell yeah bro! Very Nice! Im excited to see that confidential!

thanks prism-she takes 10-11 weeks total-long ass time for an indica, but it's worth the wait.I forgot about the time frame difference between soil and hydro- bout a week behind ( I recently grew these strains out in hydro) but shes a little tank, love her leaves.

bf74 · 07-15-09, 11:36

day 19-12/12, man soil grows kick in slow-need more patience.Clones seem to respond to the light-cycle change-over about 33% quicker than seedlings under led.But pistils are forming and the plant structure is changing.

chimp · 07-15-09, 12:34

perty

bf74 · 07-15-09, 20:16

thanks oib-heres a few I took before lights out today.

PINKBUFFLVR · 07-15-09, 23:24

LOOKIN GOOD!

The Mad Hatter · 07-16-09, 21:04

Very impressive. It's nice to see someone trying to further the advancement of LED growing.

bf74 · 07-17-09, 15:59

thanks guys, heres an update-

kcmoxtractor · 07-17-09, 17:08

Very nice, like the LED thing! Seems like it has a ways to go, but you are getting nice results still!

bf74 · 07-17-09, 17:20

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Originally Posted by kcmoxtractor

Very nice, like the LED thing! Seems like it has a ways to go, but you are getting nice results still!

yeah man, small grows only for now- I found that keeping the gals at 2 foot seems to be the ticket- otherwise you're growing stem- the penetration just isnt there yet to make it worth growing larger plants your while, but shorties do just fine.Thanks for stoppin in, peace

bf74 · 07-17-09, 21:55

pics-more day 21

procell · 07-18-09, 11:16

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Originally Posted by bf74

yeah man, small grows only for now- I found that keeping the gals at 2 foot seems to be the ticket-

wow, impressive. Didn't think you could get nice tight buds from LEDs.

How are you keeping them at 2 feet? Cut, bend, twist?

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the penetration just isnt there yet

Have you tried cutting back on the fan leaves?
You want to grow bud don't need as much leaf . . .

bf74 · 07-18-09, 13:18

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Originally Posted by procell

wow, impressive. Didn't think you could get nice tight buds from LEDs.

How are you keeping them at 2 feet? Cut, bend, twist?

Have you tried cutting back on the fan leaves?
You want to grow bud don't need as much leaf . . .

thank you kindly procell

and yes, I usually lst to keep em under 2 ft- I just tie em over.And I know what you mean about those huge freakin fan-leaves-lol, I just dont have the heart to cut em in half yet.To get around that I've got 100w in 660nm red panels(just put em in today) blastin thru the lower canopy-it's a real pain in the ass-but a necessity with the 1 watt diodes horizontally mounted.My plan is to purchase a 180 watt 5-band spectrum ufo for the horizontal mount above the canopy, with the 2 illuminator tri-band ufo's on the sides of the tent.Thanks for droppin in, stay tuned for more-peace

kcmoxtractor · 07-18-09, 14:48

The thing about the fan leaves isn't completely proven. In flowering it MAY make a difference, but to cut the plant during flowering could also cause your plant to stress. If you cut those leaves it could cause your plant to do less photosynthesis. That means less sugars, which are what the plant needs, especially in the flowering stages.

My experience has been that different strains respond differently to having fan leaves cut. If you are growing from clones, and you can do a side by side comparison, maybe try it, but I don't think that taking off your fan leaves this early in flowering could be beneficial.

procell · 07-18-09, 15:20

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Originally Posted by kcmoxtractor

The thing about the fan leaves isn't completely proven.

I guess it depends on how much proof you need and how long you've been growing. Cut just about Any Plant back and it responds by growing more. The collective has been growing the same strain for 5 years if it isn't pruned then there is not as much nor is it as good. Maybe a couple of strains don't like to be pruned but these are weeds and they respond Better to stress. Ebb and Flo creates a stronger plant then a bubble system. The mild stress makes the plant worker harder and it shows as tighter buds.
A Plant is like a balloon, squeeze one end and it pops out at the other side, if you cut the top then the nodes are where the growth takes place. In flowering, cut leaf, and the flowers are where the growth takes place.
I'm just sayin' . . .

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And I know what you mean about those huge freakin fan-leaves-lol, I just dont have the heart to cut em in half yet.

Pretend it's a garden shrub . . .

bf74 · 07-18-09, 15:23

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Originally Posted by kcmoxtractor

The thing about the fan leaves isn't completely proven. In flowering it MAY make a difference, but to cut the plant during flowering could also cause your plant to stress. If you cut those leaves it could cause your plant to do less photosynthesis. That means less sugars, which are what the plant needs, especially in the flowering stages.

My experience has been that different strains respond differently to having fan leaves cut. If you are growing from clones, and you can do a side by side comparison, maybe try it, but I don't think that taking off your fan leaves this early in flowering could be beneficial.

yeah, thats why I went with lighting up the sub-canopy with 660nm panels- I have an aversion to cutting off the fan leaves- my friend cuts them in half as the plants go into heavy flower.I say thats when they need them most.Sometimes I'll tuck them to the side, so their not right on top of the flowering sites.But you should see the sub-canopy now-it's hard to get a good pic with all that red light blastin through there.

procell · 07-18-09, 15:42

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Originally Posted by bf74

my friend cuts them in half as the plants go into heavy flower.I say thats when they need them most.

Um, why? the plant is basically dying at that point as it tries to push out the last flowers and trichomes. Why waste valuable plant nutrients and resources keeping the huge leafs going, allow the plant to concentrate on flower production. There are plenty of smaller leaves that will give the plant enough of photosynthesis to keep quite alive. If you've got a huge garden then yeah, not worth it but to maximize small grows really worth it. You get better penetration to the lower buds, it cuts back of moisture mold between leaves, it also helps keep pests down (especially good now that it's warming up).

kcmoxtractor · 07-18-09, 16:00

If you have proof that cutting them back makes for a larger yield or higher quality, I would really like to see it. But if you cant provide a scientific side by side with a control group and an experimental group then I would say that information is not conclusive. If you cant do that, then its not proven, period. I'm sorry if the strain that you have been growing responds that way, but that doesn't mean that every plant does. Different strains have different calyx to leaf ratios. He is also growing with LED in soil, so to compare that to an ebb and flow system isn't proper either. They are under different lighting conditions with different nutrients and mediums.

Marijuana plants dont like stress in flowering btw. It forces them to dedicate their energy to something else (self preservation) besides trying to make babies.

Also, to say "I guess it depends on how much proof you need and how long you've been growing." Is pretty rude and uncalled for.
This isn't the shroomery.

And FYI I grew up on a farm, taking care of a huge garden from the time I could walk. I have a pretty decent college education, and don't just talk to hear my own voice.

procell · 07-18-09, 16:18

Sorry didn't mean to sound condescending but I believe it works

http://forums.mycotopia.net/holding-...vironment.html

bf74 · 07-18-09, 16:20

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Originally Posted by procell

Um, why? the plant is basically dying at that point as it tries to push out the last flowers and trichomes. Why waste valuable plant nutrients and resources keeping the huge leafs going, allow the plant to concentrate on flower production. There are plenty of smaller leaves that will give the plant enough of photosynthesis to keep quite alive. If you've got a huge garden then yeah, not worth it but to maximize small grows really worth it. You get better penetration to the lower buds, it cuts back of moisture mold between leaves, it also helps keep pests down (especially good now that it's warming up).

At which point would you remove the leaves-or would you just cut them in half?

kcmoxtractor · 07-18-09, 16:27

If it were going to have any kind of impact it would be during the last stage of flowering, when the calyxes start to swell instead of producing more individual calyxes. That is why people will also use a carbo load type product (I use turbinado sugar).

Then the leaves don't really serve a purpose, they are producing more nutrition for the plant, when you are trying to cut its nutrient supply. A small amount of sugar the first couple of flushing rounds usually will make everything work nicely and let your buds swell real nice.

bf74 · 07-18-09, 16:30

My buddy cuts them in half around mid-way through flower, I have 2 LA Confidentials- they practically look like clones- I could try it with one and leave them side by side for comparison, not totally accurate-but I've got a mess a clones vegging, so a more accurate comparison could be made.Interesting

bf74 · 07-18-09, 16:35

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Originally Posted by kcmoxtractor

If it were going to have any kind of impact it would be during the last stage of flowering, when the calyxes start to swell instead of producing more individual calyxes. That is why people will also use a carbo load type product (I use turbinado sugar).

Then the leaves don't really serve a purpose, they are producing more nutrition for the plant, when you are trying to cut its nutrient supply. A small amount of sugar the first couple of flushing rounds usually will make everything work nicely and let your buds swell real nice.

Carb loading is another new one to me, got me thinking.I have to thank you guys- this is the reason I post.I've only been growing for about 2 years and I just wish I got into these sites from the get-go.It blows my mind how much info yal have.It's all appreciated here.

bf74 · 07-18-09, 19:56

updates

kcmoxtractor · 07-18-09, 23:56

That blue hash looks realllllly nice... Makin me drool a little bit lol.
Is that blueberry a DJ Short?
What is your cloning method? You might want to add a humidity dome to your clones until they develop a taproot, that way they don't lose too much water to transpiration.

bf74 · 07-19-09, 00:57

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Originally Posted by kcmoxtractor

That blue hash looks realllllly nice... Makin me drool a little bit lol.
Is that blueberry a DJ Short?
What is your cloning method? You might want to add a humidity dome to your clones until they develop a taproot, that way they don't lose too much water to transpiration.

I just picked up 2 humidity domes-22" long-10" wide-7" high/ post some pics tomorrow-I have another tent I was going to set up for mothers-I'll be selecting mothers from these clones-they're in rapid rooters- just got the domes, so I've been steadily misting with water-6.6 PH.Pretty much when the roots show through the plugs, I transfer them to cups of fox farm light warrior-It's kinda caveman but I'm working on improving that-some of the misters you guys have set up caught my eye.Right now theres 32 clones in there-suprisingly they took very well to the little 67 watts of led their under-growin slow and easy.And oh yes my friend-the blueberry is the real deal- had 2 seeds left

I know I've got too many clones but that'll make a friend or 2 happy- got 4 springy clones of the blue hash-aint givin those away

omentheduck · 07-19-09, 00:59

Well I got do say I am damn impressed with those little buggers, not for me but, damn nice grow man , I would have never thought

it !

bf74 · 07-19-09, 01:44

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Originally Posted by omentheduck

Well I got do say I am damn impressed with those little buggers, not for me but, damn nice grow man , I would have never thought

it !

Thank s man, I waited until the tech came around-everything led really sucked balls until about a year ago-and its getting better-really tho, it'll be about 5-10 years before these lights can even come close to competing with a high wattage-I was checkin out a 17K watt grow-yow!-HID set-up.This'll be for condo people-like me, with limited space-that just want to set up a continuous supply of dank for their head.Some folks can still run HID in an apartment set-up, but some cant for whatever reason-this is just another option for the small guy at this point.Thanks for stoppin in bro-peace

bf74 · 07-19-09, 13:12

added the humidity dome this morning

bf74 · 07-22-09, 13:25

updates

prism · 07-22-09, 14:43

Man this is a great thread... I dont think Ive seen such a good thread with LED's anywhere on the net.
As far as the cutting fan leaves I am with Procell. Especially in small environments. I think it reduces RH, Bugs, Mold, Borg all that shit. Plus if you get busted there is less for em to weigh.
More light to the budsites. I just leave the top 2 leaves, the rest make butter or get tossed in the compost bin.

bf74 · 07-23-09, 19:01

thanks man, heres day 26

bf74 · 07-25-09, 11:45

updates

procell · 07-25-09, 14:58

Lookin good.

Looks like a canidate for pruning . . .

bf74 · 07-25-09, 15:10

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Originally Posted by procell

Lookin good.

Looks like a canidate for pruning . . .

I'll have some pics up of the pruned la confidentials tonight.

bf74 · 07-25-09, 15:58

la confidentials pruned

procell · 07-25-09, 16:31

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Originally Posted by bf74

la confidentials pruned

It's been what? About 6 days now?
Not having knowledge of your previous grows, do you see a difference?
It's still fairly early I would guess . . .

bf74 · 07-25-09, 17:10

[QUOTE=procell;744285]
It's been what? About 6 days now?
Not having knowledge of your previous grows, do you see a difference?
It's still fairly early I would guess . . .
[/QUOTE, the undergrowth caught up with the top in 2 days-there was very little development under there-I see a huge difference from 6 days ago-those leaves were tough, no light was getting through there, I'm sure pruning helped-the buds didnt stop growing, they showed the biggest spike in development after the pruning.

bf74 · 07-26-09, 13:42

better every day

bf74 · 07-27-09, 17:49

buds are developing

chimp · 07-27-09, 19:41

gonna be tasty I bet!

prism · 07-27-09, 21:06

It will be cool to see how phat they get!!

bf74 · 07-28-09, 14:01

thank you oib, prism

Heres some more led porn.

kcmoxtractor · 07-28-09, 14:18

Those blue hash are lookin real nice! How many actual watts do you have on them?

bf74 · 07-28-09, 15:04

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Originally Posted by kcmoxtractor

Those blue hash are lookin real nice! How many actual watts do you have on them?

thanks man, 180 total watts now-I was overloading the plants in that space(4x4) with 280! A weird symptom of having too much led light in a small space will cause weird twisted, crispy growth-even tho the temps were 78 degrees.I read somewhere that it's photon oversaturation-I guess being this is so new, people can make up whatever terms they want.But it fucks your shit up whatever it's called.

bf74 · 07-28-09, 15:09

The blue hash is from Dinafem seeds.I'm extremely impressed so far.At 22 days, she's just as,if not more, developed than the 32 day plants.

bf74 · 07-28-09, 16:01

some blue hash pics

prism · 07-28-09, 16:03

DANK!!!

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kcmoxtractor Satan's Helper Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 2,095	The thing about the fan leaves isn't completely proven. In flowering it MAY make a difference, but to cut the plant during flowering could also cause your plant to stress. If you cut those leaves it could cause your plant to do less photosynthesis. That means less sugars, which are what the plant needs, especially in the flowering stages. My experience has been that different strains respond differently to having fan leaves cut. If you are growing from clones, and you can do a side by side comparison, maybe try it, but I don't think that taking off your fan leaves this early in flowering could be beneficial. __________________ "It was the straying that found the path direct" - Austin Osman Spare

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kcmoxtractor Satan's Helper Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 2,095	If you have proof that cutting them back makes for a larger yield or higher quality, I would really like to see it. But if you cant provide a scientific side by side with a control group and an experimental group then I would say that information is not conclusive. If you cant do that, then its not proven, period. I'm sorry if the strain that you have been growing responds that way, but that doesn't mean that every plant does. Different strains have different calyx to leaf ratios. He is also growing with LED in soil, so to compare that to an ebb and flow system isn't proper either. They are under different lighting conditions with different nutrients and mediums. Marijuana plants dont like stress in flowering btw. It forces them to dedicate their energy to something else (self preservation) besides trying to make babies. Also, to say "I guess it depends on how much proof you need and how long you've been growing." Is pretty rude and uncalled for. This isn't the shroomery. And FYI I grew up on a farm, taking care of a huge garden from the time I could walk. I have a pretty decent college education, and don't just talk to hear my own voice. __________________ "It was the straying that found the path direct" - Austin Osman Spare

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kcmoxtractor Satan's Helper Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 2,095	If it were going to have any kind of impact it would be during the last stage of flowering, when the calyxes start to swell instead of producing more individual calyxes. That is why people will also use a carbo load type product (I use turbinado sugar). Then the leaves don't really serve a purpose, they are producing more nutrition for the plant, when you are trying to cut its nutrient supply. A small amount of sugar the first couple of flushing rounds usually will make everything work nicely and let your buds swell real nice. __________________ "It was the straying that found the path direct" - Austin Osman Spare

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bf74 Mycophage Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 111	My buddy cuts them in half around mid-way through flower, I have 2 LA Confidentials- they practically look like clones- I could try it with one and leave them side by side for comparison, not totally accurate-but I've got a mess a clones vegging, so a more accurate comparison could be made.Interesting

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kcmoxtractor Satan's Helper Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 2,095	That blue hash looks realllllly nice... Makin me drool a little bit lol. Is that blueberry a DJ Short? What is your cloning method? You might want to add a humidity dome to your clones until they develop a taproot, that way they don't lose too much water to transpiration. __________________ "It was the straying that found the path direct" - Austin Osman Spare

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prism Running from My Mycelium Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 4,291	Man this is a great thread... I dont think Ive seen such a good thread with LED's anywhere on the net. As far as the cutting fan leaves I am with Procell. Especially in small environments. I think it reduces RH, Bugs, Mold, Borg all that shit. Plus if you get busted there is less for em to weigh. More light to the budsites. I just leave the top 2 leaves, the rest make butter or get tossed in the compost bin. Attached Thumbnails __________________ No matter how pretty the fire is, dont touch it!

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bf74 Mycophage Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 111	[QUOTE=procell;744285] It's been what? About 6 days now? Not having knowledge of your previous grows, do you see a difference? It's still fairly early I would guess . . . [/QUOTE, the undergrowth caught up with the top in 2 days-there was very little development under there-I see a huge difference from 6 days ago-those leaves were tough, no light was getting through there, I'm sure pruning helped-the buds didnt stop growing, they showed the biggest spike in development after the pruning.

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bf74 Mycophage Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 111	The blue hash is from Dinafem seeds.I'm extremely impressed so far.At 22 days, she's just as,if not more, developed than the 32 day plants.