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Old 06-28-09, 08:43   #1 (permalink)
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LED Growing With The Current TEK

whats up you buncha heads? I'm just postin some led stuff here.The pics are from my current 300 watt led grow.The small plants have been in flower for 3 days under 300 watts, and were vegged for 20 days under a single ufo-90w.The strains are blueberry, la confidential, nightshade, blue hash, california hash plant, and a weird mystery greenhouse sativa clone.The flowering plants(2) are the same mystery sativa.Grown in ffof soil, and using Pura Vida nutes. The equiptment is 2x 90w illuminator ufo's-4 12w 1w diode white led fixtures (pure white) and 1 50w 660nm red ufo.The wavelengths used are 460nm,430nm,615 nm, 660 nm, and of course the all important white leds- til we know exactly which wavelengths is which proportions are needed white seems to do the trick. Some things to consider- hps is currently more efficient-yes, I said it - taking cost and the richness of the hps spectral output- more intensity, more lumens per watt.But thats what folks like me are working on. I've got a ton of led pics from my experiments over the last year-let me know if ya wanna see em.peace
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oh shit i have been waiting to see a grow with leds on here and i must say tahtlooks pretty fucking good congrats man

so you say you got em under 300w of leds? keep us posted

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just curious how much money did you spend on all that led equipment and what all was in there i sawwwww....a panel a couple or more ufo's and some other stuff just curious
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some past led grows
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oh shit i have been waiting to see a grow with leds on here and i must say tahtlooks pretty fucking good congrats man

so you say you got em under 300w of leds? keep us posted

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just curious how much money did you spend on all that led equipment and what all was in there i sawwwww....a panel a couple or more ufo's and some other stuff just curious
TOO MUCH!! lol. All told I've sunk over a grand into my mad quest- crazy, but thats me And thanks man.
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that sure makes for some pretty photos,good job
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yeah i was gonna say i almost bought myself some of those ufo's about 2 years ago but didnt feel like blowing $400+ per light hahaha and i think that was the sale price for them.... more power to you though adn honestly this is one of the better led grows i have come across
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It's hard work from people like you that helps to push the envelope

Cheers, keep fightin the good fight!

Cool pics BTW
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Very nice! A lot of us have been curious about LEDs as grow lights.
I'm sure that costs will be going down, and wouldn't be surprised to see LEDs competitive with HPS soon.
HTGS has a UFO-type 90-watt light, with improved spectrum, for under 200 bucks. They claim it's comparable to a 400w HPS.
If it's even close, that's pretty damn good. Considering there's no need for extensive cooling etc., it could be a pretty good deal.
Wish I was in a position go give it a go.
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thank you, more to come
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yeah i was gonna say i almost bought myself some of those ufo's about 2 years ago but didnt feel like blowing $400+ per light hahaha and i think that was the sale price for them.... more power to you though adn honestly this is one of the better led grows i have come across
you woulda been sad if ya had-2 years ago they didnt have the current bridge lux leds-with the 4th qtr chip-set-these are the animals responsible for the recent increase in flowering capabilities, the new tek is cheaper and 10x more powerful, but we're not there yet.I'll post a pic of the real absorbable light spectrum-not even close to the bs printed in led ads-all lies btw, hps matches it almost perfectly-I dont know what these led hucksters are talking about-and until current tek matches that spectra, and diode wattage is increased, nobody can seriously say leds are better.And thanks man.
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Cheers, keep fightin the good fight!

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cheers mate, will do, you bet
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Very nice! A lot of us have been curious about LEDs as grow lights.
I'm sure that costs will be going down, and wouldn't be surprised to see LEDs competitive with HPS soon.
HTGS has a UFO-type 90-watt light, with improved spectrum, for under 200 bucks. They claim it's comparable to a 400w HPS.
If it's even close, that's pretty damn good. Considering there's no need for extensive cooling etc., it could be a pretty good deal.
Wish I was in a position go give it a go.
htgs is a knock-off of prosources illuminator line-prosource is the only one that has it.HTGS is just using the same wavelengths as prosource-what they're not doing is the reseach necessary to see which diodes need more or less power coursing through them-too much of one or the other cuts down on results- and to my understanding, htgs just dupes the diode array-not the chip-set.For 150 beans more you get the real thing-youch, I know, but when it comes to a new tek in its infancy-you're gonna have to pay for the good stuff-remember when plasma tv's first came out.
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the little gals are from feminized seed-4 days into flower, 24 days alive total.The sativas are 8 1/2 weeks into flower, the big gal has a ways to go, a greenhouse seeds feminized sativa-supposedly used as breeding stock-very sensitive to nutes-almost killed her 2 weeks ago, didnt think she'd make it-but there she is, minus some fan leaves but still kickin out nugs.
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man i love how squat and broad those ladies in the last photo are i am definitely pullin up a chair for this shit
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htgs is a knock-off of prosources illuminator line-prosource is the only one that has it.HTGS is just using the same wavelengths as prosource-what they're not doing is the reseach necessary to see which diodes need more or less power coursing through them-too much of one or the other cuts down on results- and to my understanding, htgs just dupes the diode array-not the chip-set.For 150 beans more you get the real thing-youch, I know, but when it comes to a new tek in its infancy-you're gonna have to pay for the good stuff-remember when plasma tv's first came out.
If the wavelengths are the same, dispersion angle is the same, power is the same, conversion efficiency is the same. Read "same" as similar. Then what's the difference?
As you said, it's a maturing technology, and some are going to sell equivalent products for a lot less money.
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If the wavelengths are the same, dispersion angle is the same, power is the same, conversion efficiency is the same. Read "same" as similar. Then what's the difference?
As you said, it's a maturing technology, and some are going to sell equivalent products for a lot less money.
Okay, current tek had the same amount of power evenly dispersed to all the diodes, and to the best of my knowledge-prosource is the only quick bucker thats kicking out the extra dough for the goods in ole China, you dont even want to see the pricetag on US manufactured led units-1500US and up!, you see they've been collecting all this led feedback and it got their asses in gear to invest in the current "advancements"-which is just some better electronic parts that have always existed anyway.What prosource did was get a hold of the current pulsing technology-providing different amounts of power to individual diodes to accomodate our plants specific needs.Their not making these things for lettuce anymore-the price difference is in the quality of electronics used, basically.It's business.We want our fat led buds-but they want their money-believe that.
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Nice work bf74, I'll echo Jaspmf's comment that its folks like yourself who push the envolope and trailblaze for the rest of us. Keep up the good work !

I grew blueberry for a couple years, its one of my favorite strains !
Keep us posted matey !
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Honestly, I dont think ANY led product for growing shouldnt have been sold until like the new high power leds we're available.Thats like 3 years of ass pounding, courtesy of the led grow people.600 for the first pieces of shit that hit the market.And people bought em!!In droves-they made a nice profit on something that didnt work.Hence their are no real "haters" for this technology-just cautious consumers, and rightly so-99% of the shit out there is trash, sorry it just is.
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Nice work bf74, I'll echo Jaspmf's comment that its folks like yourself who push the envolope and trailblaze for the rest of us. Keep up the good work !

I grew blueberry for a couple years, its one of my favorite strains !
Keep us posted matey !
thanks man, plenty more rants to come.
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Oh boy, I love technical debates!
LED current balancing is a good idea in general, and pulse-width modulation is the most efficient way to regulate current.
I'd bet that both units use PWM for the main regulator.
However, regulating the current to individual LEDs in the array doesn't assure that each LED will have the same light output.
And that's not necessary anyway. It's the average light output of the array that's important.
So, I contend that if prosource really is regulating individual LED current, it's a waste of money.
Do you have schematics or literature for the two units for comparison?
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Oh boy, I love technical debates!
LED current balancing is a good idea in general, and pulse-width modulation is the most efficient way to regulate current.
I'd bet that both units use PWM for the main regulator.
However, regulating the current to individual LEDs in the array doesn't assure that each LED will have the same light output.
And that's not necessary anyway. It's the average light output of the array that's important.
So, I contend that if prosource really is regulating individual LED current, it's a waste of money.
Do you have schematics or literature for the two units for comparison?
I did a little 90w vs 90w experiment-illuminator-349USvs China Factory Tri-band- the prosource outvegged the Shzeng China model over 2 weeks-before the 189US from e-bay ufo half burned out, same with the 660nm red ufo from China Factory-the prosource is still goin strong.I veg with a single China Factory r/b ufo-150US on E-bay auction-no where near the growth of the prosource.I can only go by the quality of product and results I've seen from them.Jesus I dont want to sound like I'm selling shit, but I'll post the link to prosource- communication is outstanding-theyll explain to you, like a person will- but be careful, they are still salesmanithe product in full detail, giving all the tek spec ya need. I've had two advertised 50 watt-actaully 45-stamped on back of cardboard backing- shit the bed on me fro htg supply.I'm sure if ya look you'll find other reputable ufo salesman-but htg supply has left a bad taste in my mouth-and I'm still waiting for a duct flange attachment for a 150w hps, that was supposed to come with the unit over a year ago.
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Can't argue with experience.
May be shit quality parts in the cheaper one. That certainly makes a difference, no matter the design.
I'll have to amend my first "equal" statement to include part and assembly quality.
Personally, I've had good luck with HTGs stuff, and their customer service. But everyone's mileage varies.

Anyway, damn nice grow.
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Can't argue with experience.
May be shit quality parts in the cheaper one. That certainly makes a difference, no matter the design.
I'll have to amend my first "equal" statement to include part and assembly quality.
Personally, I've had good luck with HTGs stuff, and their customer service. But everyone's mileage varies.

Anyway, damn nice grow.
yeah, I got boned in one big shot-maybe because I was so excited about it, being my first led project- but in all fairness I may be a little harsh on them, but that almost made me give up on this- I bet alot of folks that are hatin' on leds are doing so because of these panels.I just know they get their stuff from the same division responsible for the China Factory products-these are the no-name knock-offs from the ole mainland.And thank you, stick around
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Were those the old LED panels you had trouble with, or their latest UFO-type rig?
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Old 06-28-09, 20:06   #28 (permalink)
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Ive used the UFO.

Great for veg.
Sucked a big one for flowering.

Im looking forward to see how yours does.
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Were those the old LED panels you had trouble with, or their latest UFO-type rig?
They were the 5mm diode panels-thats why I'm being unfair, I mean they coulda found a decent supplier( theres quite a few from my understanding) and the price-tag seems about right-I looked into it after the fitst bashing I gave them here, and couldnt find any meaningful tek specs-but they could easily e-mail them...I'll look into it.
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Ive used the UFO.

Great for veg.
Sucked a big one for flowering.

Im looking forward to see how yours does.
unfortunately, you're not the only led victim.I went through the same shit with an earlier ufo model- nice full veg-growth, popcorn for buds. I was pissed-to say the least.
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heres the morning spread- the sativa is filling out, the seedlings are doing very well.
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Hell yeah!! I cant wait untill the LED's are affordable and great for flower...

Nice Job Bro... you sample any of those boomers yet?
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Hell yeah!! I cant wait untill the LED's are affordable and great for flower...

Nice Job Bro... you sample any of those boomers yet?
thank you brother-and as I sit here typing- dehydrated a little of the single cola sativa-nice, the big tied over girls gonna need another month- greenhouse fucked up and sent me their fem sativa mix, so god only knows what the hell that one is-cant wait to smoke the hell outta that one.
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Them LED's give you some nice colored photos!
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thank you brother-and as I sit here typing- dehydrated a little of the single cola sativa-nice, the big tied over girls gonna need another month- greenhouse fucked up and sent me their fem sativa mix, so god only knows what the hell that one is-cant wait to smoke the hell outta that one.

You never answered me boy!! You eat them fruits???
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I like how this is going
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Hell Yeah Man!!

Those are some nice Genes!! Nice Healthy Plants too

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thank you. Gave em a light feed -5ml Pura Vida grow-5ml Pura Vida bloom-5ml epsom, they seem to have responded well.This is the first time I've used fox farm soil-so I'm starting at 1/3 strength Pura Vida-very ph friendly stuff-every other watering-for now.
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thank you, heres day 11 flowering
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thank you, heres some evening pics
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Makes a case for LED for sure man!

Maybe one day when the cost comes down I'll get some.
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thanks bro, heres some of todays pics
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the last pic is of the seedlings and clones in the veg tent-100 watt of led
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