Ice Grow

tenjin · 10-09-09, 11:19

This is week 3 in flowering. Vegetative time was approx. 4 weeks. Out of 5 beans 2 were female. Both females showed different phenotypes: one sativa/indica (not pictured) and mostly indica. SWIM left the lower branches so come harvest time he will try the staggering method by removing the top buds and leaving the lower buds to grow bigger. Been feeding full strength every 3rd watering (usually once or twice a week). Ferts include Iguana Bloom and Bio-Bloom. In about another week or two (5th week), SWIM is gonna start adding a flower enhancer called Overdrive to see how it does.
Mazar-I-Sharif was also planted also but ended up being males

, clones were taken and SWIM may try breeding later down the road. The males were very musty and dank smelling (which is why he cloned) compared to the female Ice, which smells kinda skunky when disturbed.

Nirvana says Ice has ancestors of Afghani, Skunk, Northern Light, and Shiva.

weeeeeee · 10-09-09, 11:24

nice loooking ice my friend i had some trouble with that one hermaphroditing on me i ended having to pull them all and had some nasty seedy bullshit to deal with on a couple of plants. but on the other hand i had great success through a different seed vendor but i went with feminized seeds there. oh and if i remember correctly they eat alot for their size

nice casing those cakes with coir tis somethng i prefer and also something i rarely see

tenjin · 10-09-09, 11:30

Thx for the comment weeeeeee!

Sorry to hear about that dude. Do you have any idea why they hermed on you? light leaks? etc? ya they do seem to eat alot that is true.
First time using coir for cakes. SWIM has had some troubles with bulk grows lately but is gearing up for another try, so just doing cakes atm.

Mushrooms201 · 10-10-09, 00:08

what kind of light you got on them? looking good.

tenjin · 10-12-09, 11:59

Thx bro.
They are about a foot from top of plant to bottom of light under a 400w HPS light with reflector hood. A couple more weeks SWIM will have some nice bud porn! stay tuned

tenjin · 10-24-09, 11:36

Some leaves have started to turn yellow and some of the top bud fan leaves started curling upwards. SWIM raised the lights some as it looked like heat stress, since it was only the top canopy leaves affected. Temps are between 70-80F. ph sits right at 7. As for the yellowing, SWIM figured this was a slight nitrogen def, since he went straight to bloom ferts when starting 12/12. As others has said to slowly ween the plant off grow fert when starting 12/12. He also used a little epsom and dolimite lime at first, but not much noticeable difference, which is why he thinks it might be a slight nitrogen def. but not sure if that is it (he knows some yellowing is to be expected in late bloom, this is day 34), maybe they need fed more often (currently feeding once a week roughly)? Also has anyone had good success with staggering harvesting? cutting top buds off, then let the middle buds grow more then cut, then let the lower buds grow more, then cut them off.

tenjin · 10-24-09, 16:49

hmm

...gonna check another site to see whats up and post back if I find anything useful. Could also be Potassium maybe. Been checking out http://icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=11688

prism · 10-24-09, 16:52

Try to give her a flush with clean PH'd water and see if she perks up. That could be nute burn from the pics. Id not worry as you are getting so close anyway. Flush away my friend!

Might add a lil Cal mag if you got it...

tenjin · 10-24-09, 17:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by prism

Try to give her a flush with clean PH'd water and see if she perks up. That could be nute burn from the pics. Id not worry as you are getting so close anyway. Flush away my friend!

Might add a lil Cal mag if you got it...

Ya kinda hard to pin down what exactly is going on and he is probably being a little of a worry wort as well. But thought nute burn would look more dark green foliage? Haven't flushed yet, so might try w will see if that helps. No CalMag right now just epsom and lime. Thx for the input, will keep ya posted.

prism · 10-24-09, 18:38

I always like to flush first, before I do anything else. That way I know if its too much nutes or not. Especially since you are recycling soil as I have been. I always flush for 2 full weeks since I started recycling.

Could be phosphorus difficiency too... Id flush first

Good luck!!

tenjin · 10-24-09, 20:43

SWIM has been giving them organic bloom ferts once a week (roughly every 3rd watering) in fresh FFOF soil. Run-off water is actually pretty clear looking. When SWIM gave it epsom and lime, he did it once at 1tsp to a gallon between feeding time to see if it helped this problem and it didnt seem to. So really didn't consider flushing (plus pita to move out of growroom to do it lol), but it may be good to go ahead and do it like you say and see if it helps. It did also cross my mind that they may be hungry too, as weeee said they eat alot, but figured once a week was enough.
thx again prism

tenjin · 10-25-09, 23:28

SWIM flushed for good measure and is going to up the nutes to every other watering (from once a week to roughly 2-3 times a week), considering what a nute hog reputation this strain has and considering the big size and its probably rootbound. getting alot of sparkling goodness!

kcmoxtractor · 10-27-09, 00:35

Molasses is a good additive for waterings in soil, it has magnesium and several other minerals in it! 1 tbsp per gallon of water during flowering makes for some sweet buds. Let us know how it responds to the flush!

tenjin · 10-28-09, 01:20

The flush was a good thing to do, being as this was a small persistent problem recently and some of the first solutions done didn't seem to help. The yellowing problem also seemed to have happened suddenly, shortly after the pics in the first post of the thread, which were at 3 weeks flower. That lush green in that pic seemed to have went yellow over the next 2 weeks after that pic. Pic 4 shows the symptoms of the leaf.
There is so much info about how great molasses is for cannabis in a organic soil grow. So took your advice, thx kc!

and picked up some molasses pic 1 is the one purchased. This stuff should be great for them.

mystic · 10-28-09, 01:51

I hope the girls are back to their lush green color for you soon friend.

kcmoxtractor · 10-28-09, 02:26

After the grow is done and you taste how sweet those buds are you will

molasses! Definitely looking nice though for only 3 weeks into flower.

Jaspmf · 10-28-09, 04:13

NVM u did give em epsoms. Ignore my post

Nice lookin plants btw

prism · 10-28-09, 13:55

Glad things are looking up for you. When all else fails flush... That's my motto.

Now they look like they could use a dose of nitrogen. Not to much, just a touch to bring the green back.

tenjin · 10-30-09, 02:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by mystic

I hope the girls are back to their lush green color for you soon friend.

Ya hoping they will too, Thx for comment mystic

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcmoxtractor

After the grow is done and you taste how sweet those buds are you will molasses! Definitely looking nice though for only 3 weeks into flower.

Thx kc. I have heard how the end result will be sweet and smooth when using molasses. Oh, this is actually week 6, was just saying that they suddenly went yellow after the pics in first post which were week3. Could be coincidence but they actually seemed a little more frosty the next couple days after giving them molasses!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jaspmf

NVM u did give em epsoms. Ignore my post

Nice lookin plants btw

No prob Jasp, Thx for stopping by man and good luck with your endeavours too.

Quote:

Originally Posted by prism

Glad things are looking up for you. When all else fails flush... That's my motto.

Now they look like they could use a dose of nitrogen. Not to much, just a touch to bring the green back.

The bloom ferts contain some N but might use a little bit of bat guano (1/2 tsp/Gal.) and see if it helps. Like you said before it's so close to harvest and the problems may be a little late to fix totally at this stage (try to fine tune next time). Going to keep on keepin on though and hope for a good harvest!

tenjin · 11-03-09, 08:46

SWIM is still trying to decide when to start flushing
(maybe next week or two). some leaves still curling up-
but only a couple on top canopy along bud site, bottom is fine.
Still giving it nutes, the molasses is working great!

prism · 11-03-09, 10:24

Getting there fast! Nice plants!

tenjin · 11-04-09, 09:55

this is a re-veged clone from last grow, an unknown strain with a
slight grape/berry smell. And a pic of the other ice plant that is a little taller and branchier.

kcmoxtractor · 11-04-09, 10:38

Lookin' nice man! I think another week and they will be ready for flushing, do they have any orange pistils?

prism · 11-04-09, 11:00

Hey Coop... Got a scope?

tenjin · 11-04-09, 12:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcmoxtractor

Lookin' nice man! I think another week and they will be ready for flushing, do they have any orange pistils?

Yes, probably about 15-20% of whole plant has orange/brown pistils and the rest is still white pistils. No scope, but trichomes seem to be getting more cloudy and calyxes look swollen now too. On last grow it was pulled when some amber trichomes were visible. Flushing should be in line next week. I know some people harvest before trichomes are amber and some after, what do you think is the best time for these ladies?

prism · 11-04-09, 13:35

All Cloudy is a lil unripe IMO. I like mine with about 25% Amber personally. Unless I need the weed or the space. then I take em all cloudy.

tenjin · 11-05-09, 09:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by prism

All Cloudy is a lil unripe IMO. I like mine with about 25% Amber personally. Unless I need the weed or the space. then I take em all cloudy.

Cool

glad to have another opinion prism. No amber visible yet, next week there probably will be.

tenjin · 11-13-09, 22:50

This is week 8 and no signs of amber trichomes yet. This week only got fertilized once (yesterday) due to slackness, next week will be week 9 and will probably just be doing straight water and hopefully see some amber. Foliage still doesn't look that great but buds are coming along nicely.

prism · 11-14-09, 00:06

Just about ready now...

kcmoxtractor · 11-14-09, 00:33

Yeah the foliage yellowing up like that is a signal that the plant is maturing. Definitely water from here on out, how are you going to flush?

usagolden · 11-14-09, 02:43

nice grow, tenjin
I have been interested in this strain
great to see it grow

tenjin · 11-15-09, 19:56

Thx for the comments guys. Can't wait for harvest some of the big buds sparkling goodness. The smell is a little skunky with a slight fuel smell. Took a little taste not long ago and is really nice smoke, very stony, but will be better when dried properly and cured.

Ya kc, will be watering from here on out. As for the flushing, will probably be doing 3x the volume of water to the volume of container. Does that sound about right and should it be flushed once or multiple times?

kcmoxtractor · 11-15-09, 20:04

I usually flush every time it needs watered for the last two weeks. I only use twice the container volume of water on my flushing though.

All of your fan leaves will start to yellow (or turn whatever crazy color they are going to) and fall off, and you can tell that it is getting ripe.

I read something in high times saying when you are going to pull your plants, be sure and do it during darkness, since it will start pulling up nutrients from the soil when the lights come on. Also make sure that the soil is pretty wet when you pull it, so that a large part of what is in the plants circulatory system is just water.

I will pinch a fan leaf off near the stem, and taste the water that comes out, as the nutrients flush out, it becomes less bitter.

Mushxmagik · 11-15-09, 20:17

WoW! That looks mighty tasty!!!

tenjin · 11-15-09, 20:23

Awesome info kc

I thought I read that too about harvesting after a watering and in dark cycle, thx for heads up. What do you think about heavy trimming of fan leaves late in flower? I thought I read something to the effect of not trimming in late flowering, something about keeping fan leaves because they make sugars for the buds. The plant was trimmed kinda heavily the other day (next to buds and some not), is why I ask.

Just didn't know if this is something that should steer away from doing in the future, that late in flowering I mean, probably no big deal but thought id ask.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mushxmagik

WoW! That looks mighty tasty!!!

Thx dude and thx for stopping by

kcmoxtractor · 11-15-09, 21:00

I usually trim off the fan leaves towards the bottom, but leave the ones up at the top attached, they fall off after a couple of weeks of flushing. I just like to keep it trimmed because I crowd my plants together, it looks less messy and allows for more airflow.

Whether it helps or not is very debated, I have seen both sides of the argument and they both seem to make sense... I have smoked bud that the leaves were trimmed off before harvest, and buds that were not, and they both get the job done.

tenjin · 11-15-09, 21:29

cool man... ya also seen both sides of the debate as well but didn't think it would really be detrimental to the plant. The only ones worried about was some of the leaves cut close to the bud at the top of plant. But SWIM always trims here and there, for better airflow and space like you said. The top buds are looking really swollen and sugary lately, can't wait for harvest!!

will update some pics soon too.

tenjin · 11-15-09, 23:17

few pics...

Manofmanyhats · 11-16-09, 02:47

What do you think about heavy trimming of fan leaves late in flower? I thought I read something to the effect of not trimming in late flowering, something about keeping fan leaves because they make sugars for the buds.

Thx dude and thx for stopping by

[/QUOTE]

That ICE looks killer frosty, nice job. I have had some good results from leaving the fan leaves on my plants. Your hunch is correct leaving the leaves on releases carbohydrates back into the plant, but only after all the chlorophyll has been depleted. You have to remember that even though you have harvested the plant it is still alive for awhile. On the otherside of the coin if you are fortifying your plants with sugars like molasses (especially hydro) the overall brix levels are already high. So removing some leaves is not a huge concern.

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10-09-09, 11:19	#1 (permalink)
tenjin SeventhSon of aSeventhSon Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 549	Ice Grow This is week 3 in flowering. Vegetative time was approx. 4 weeks. Out of 5 beans 2 were female. Both females showed different phenotypes: one sativa/indica (not pictured) and mostly indica. SWIM left the lower branches so come harvest time he will try the staggering method by removing the top buds and leaving the lower buds to grow bigger. Been feeding full strength every 3rd watering (usually once or twice a week). Ferts include Iguana Bloom and Bio-Bloom. In about another week or two (5th week), SWIM is gonna start adding a flower enhancer called Overdrive to see how it does. Mazar-I-Sharif was also planted also but ended up being males , clones were taken and SWIM may try breeding later down the road. The males were very musty and dank smelling (which is why he cloned) compared to the female Ice, which smells kinda skunky when disturbed. Nirvana says Ice has ancestors of Afghani, Skunk, Northern Light, and Shiva. Attached Thumbnails

10-09-09, 11:24	#2 (permalink)
weeeeeee humanoid Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,850	nice loooking ice my friend i had some trouble with that one hermaphroditing on me i ended having to pull them all and had some nasty seedy bullshit to deal with on a couple of plants. but on the other hand i had great success through a different seed vendor but i went with feminized seeds there. oh and if i remember correctly they eat alot for their size nice casing those cakes with coir tis somethng i prefer and also something i rarely see __________________ -p.l.u.r

10-24-09, 11:36	#6 (permalink)
tenjin SeventhSon of aSeventhSon Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 549	Some leaves have started to turn yellow and some of the top bud fan leaves started curling upwards. SWIM raised the lights some as it looked like heat stress, since it was only the top canopy leaves affected. Temps are between 70-80F. ph sits right at 7. As for the yellowing, SWIM figured this was a slight nitrogen def, since he went straight to bloom ferts when starting 12/12. As others has said to slowly ween the plant off grow fert when starting 12/12. He also used a little epsom and dolimite lime at first, but not much noticeable difference, which is why he thinks it might be a slight nitrogen def. but not sure if that is it (he knows some yellowing is to be expected in late bloom, this is day 34), maybe they need fed more often (currently feeding once a week roughly)? Also has anyone had good success with staggering harvesting? cutting top buds off, then let the middle buds grow more then cut, then let the lower buds grow more, then cut them off. Attached Thumbnails

10-24-09, 16:52	#8 (permalink)
prism Running from My Mycelium Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 3,922	Try to give her a flush with clean PH'd water and see if she perks up. That could be nute burn from the pics. Id not worry as you are getting so close anyway. Flush away my friend! Might add a lil Cal mag if you got it... __________________ No matter how pretty the fire is, dont touch it!

10-09-09, 11:30	#3 (permalink)
tenjin SeventhSon of aSeventhSon Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 549	Thx for the comment weeeeeee! Sorry to hear about that dude. Do you have any idea why they hermed on you? light leaks? etc? ya they do seem to eat alot that is true. First time using coir for cakes. SWIM has had some troubles with bulk grows lately but is gearing up for another try, so just doing cakes atm.

10-10-09, 00:08	#4 (permalink)
Mushrooms201 Mycotopiate Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 541	what kind of light you got on them? looking good.

10-12-09, 11:59	#5 (permalink)
tenjin SeventhSon of aSeventhSon Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 549	Thx bro. They are about a foot from top of plant to bottom of light under a 400w HPS light with reflector hood. A couple more weeks SWIM will have some nice bud porn! stay tuned

10-24-09, 16:49	#7 (permalink)
tenjin SeventhSon of aSeventhSon Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 549	hmm ...gonna check another site to see whats up and post back if I find anything useful. Could also be Potassium maybe. Been checking out http://icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=11688

10-24-09, 18:38	#10 (permalink)
prism Running from My Mycelium Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 3,922	I always like to flush first, before I do anything else. That way I know if its too much nutes or not. Especially since you are recycling soil as I have been. I always flush for 2 full weeks since I started recycling. Could be phosphorus difficiency too... Id flush first Good luck!! __________________ No matter how pretty the fire is, dont touch it!

10-24-09, 20:43	#11 (permalink)
tenjin SeventhSon of aSeventhSon Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 549	SWIM has been giving them organic bloom ferts once a week (roughly every 3rd watering) in fresh FFOF soil. Run-off water is actually pretty clear looking. When SWIM gave it epsom and lime, he did it once at 1tsp to a gallon between feeding time to see if it helped this problem and it didnt seem to. So really didn't consider flushing (plus pita to move out of growroom to do it lol), but it may be good to go ahead and do it like you say and see if it helps. It did also cross my mind that they may be hungry too, as weeee said they eat alot, but figured once a week was enough. thx again prism

10-25-09, 23:28	#12 (permalink)
tenjin SeventhSon of aSeventhSon Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 549	SWIM flushed for good measure and is going to up the nutes to every other watering (from once a week to roughly 2-3 times a week), considering what a nute hog reputation this strain has and considering the big size and its probably rootbound. getting alot of sparkling goodness!

10-27-09, 00:35	#13 (permalink)
kcmoxtractor Satan's Helper Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,349	Molasses is a good additive for waterings in soil, it has magnesium and several other minerals in it! 1 tbsp per gallon of water during flowering makes for some sweet buds. Let us know how it responds to the flush! __________________ "It was the straying that found the path direct" - Austin Osman Spare

10-28-09, 01:20	#14 (permalink)
tenjin SeventhSon of aSeventhSon Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 549	The flush was a good thing to do, being as this was a small persistent problem recently and some of the first solutions done didn't seem to help. The yellowing problem also seemed to have happened suddenly, shortly after the pics in the first post of the thread, which were at 3 weeks flower. That lush green in that pic seemed to have went yellow over the next 2 weeks after that pic. Pic 4 shows the symptoms of the leaf. There is so much info about how great molasses is for cannabis in a organic soil grow. So took your advice, thx kc! and picked up some molasses pic 1 is the one purchased. This stuff should be great for them. Attached Thumbnails

10-28-09, 01:51	#15 (permalink)
mystic ~Mystical Mama~ Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 1,478	I hope the girls are back to their lush green color for you soon friend. __________________ The finest emotion of which we are capable is the mystic emotion.

10-28-09, 02:26	#16 (permalink)
kcmoxtractor Satan's Helper Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,349	After the grow is done and you taste how sweet those buds are you will molasses! Definitely looking nice though for only 3 weeks into flower. __________________ "It was the straying that found the path direct" - Austin Osman Spare

10-28-09, 04:13	#17 (permalink)
Jaspmf Splendid Confusion Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 655	NVM u did give em epsoms. Ignore my post Nice lookin plants btw __________________ All gods are homemade, and it is we who pull their strings, and so, give them the power to pull ours. -Aldous Huxley

10-28-09, 13:55	#18 (permalink)
prism Running from My Mycelium Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 3,922	Glad things are looking up for you. When all else fails flush... That's my motto. Now they look like they could use a dose of nitrogen. Not to much, just a touch to bring the green back. __________________ No matter how pretty the fire is, dont touch it!

11-03-09, 08:46	#20 (permalink)
tenjin SeventhSon of aSeventhSon Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 549	update Week 7 SWIM is still trying to decide when to start flushing (maybe next week or two). some leaves still curling up- but only a couple on top canopy along bud site, bottom is fine. Still giving it nutes, the molasses is working great! Attached Thumbnails

11-03-09, 10:24	#21 (permalink)
prism Running from My Mycelium Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 3,922	Getting there fast! Nice plants! __________________ No matter how pretty the fire is, dont touch it!

11-04-09, 09:55	#22 (permalink)
tenjin SeventhSon of aSeventhSon Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 549	this is a re-veged clone from last grow, an unknown strain with a slight grape/berry smell. And a pic of the other ice plant that is a little taller and branchier. Attached Thumbnails

11-04-09, 10:38	#23 (permalink)
kcmoxtractor Satan's Helper Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,349	Lookin' nice man! I think another week and they will be ready for flushing, do they have any orange pistils? __________________ "It was the straying that found the path direct" - Austin Osman Spare

11-04-09, 11:00	#24 (permalink)
prism Running from My Mycelium Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 3,922	Hey Coop... Got a scope? __________________ No matter how pretty the fire is, dont touch it!

11-04-09, 13:35	#26 (permalink)
prism Running from My Mycelium Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 3,922	All Cloudy is a lil unripe IMO. I like mine with about 25% Amber personally. Unless I need the weed or the space. then I take em all cloudy. __________________ No matter how pretty the fire is, dont touch it!

11-13-09, 22:50	#28 (permalink)
tenjin SeventhSon of aSeventhSon Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 549	This is week 8 and no signs of amber trichomes yet. This week only got fertilized once (yesterday) due to slackness, next week will be week 9 and will probably just be doing straight water and hopefully see some amber. Foliage still doesn't look that great but buds are coming along nicely. Attached Thumbnails

11-14-09, 00:06	#29 (permalink)
prism Running from My Mycelium Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 3,922	Just about ready now... __________________ No matter how pretty the fire is, dont touch it!

11-14-09, 00:33	#30 (permalink)
kcmoxtractor Satan's Helper Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,349	Yeah the foliage yellowing up like that is a signal that the plant is maturing. Definitely water from here on out, how are you going to flush? __________________ "It was the straying that found the path direct" - Austin Osman Spare

11-14-09, 02:43	#31 (permalink)
usagolden A Tin Can Banana Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 323	nice grow, tenjin I have been interested in this strain great to see it grow

11-15-09, 19:56	#32 (permalink)
tenjin SeventhSon of aSeventhSon Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 549	Thx for the comments guys. Can't wait for harvest some of the big buds sparkling goodness. The smell is a little skunky with a slight fuel smell. Took a little taste not long ago and is really nice smoke, very stony, but will be better when dried properly and cured. Ya kc, will be watering from here on out. As for the flushing, will probably be doing 3x the volume of water to the volume of container. Does that sound about right and should it be flushed once or multiple times?

11-15-09, 20:04	#33 (permalink)
kcmoxtractor Satan's Helper Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,349	I usually flush every time it needs watered for the last two weeks. I only use twice the container volume of water on my flushing though. All of your fan leaves will start to yellow (or turn whatever crazy color they are going to) and fall off, and you can tell that it is getting ripe. I read something in high times saying when you are going to pull your plants, be sure and do it during darkness, since it will start pulling up nutrients from the soil when the lights come on. Also make sure that the soil is pretty wet when you pull it, so that a large part of what is in the plants circulatory system is just water. I will pinch a fan leaf off near the stem, and taste the water that comes out, as the nutrients flush out, it becomes less bitter. __________________ "It was the straying that found the path direct" - Austin Osman Spare

11-15-09, 20:17	#34 (permalink)
Mushxmagik Boomtastic! Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 133	WoW! That looks mighty tasty!!! __________________ Shrooms are awesome for getting back in touch with your root. LSD is for reaching out with your branches.

11-15-09, 21:00	#36 (permalink)
kcmoxtractor Satan's Helper Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,349	I usually trim off the fan leaves towards the bottom, but leave the ones up at the top attached, they fall off after a couple of weeks of flushing. I just like to keep it trimmed because I crowd my plants together, it looks less messy and allows for more airflow. Whether it helps or not is very debated, I have seen both sides of the argument and they both seem to make sense... I have smoked bud that the leaves were trimmed off before harvest, and buds that were not, and they both get the job done. __________________ "It was the straying that found the path direct" - Austin Osman Spare

11-15-09, 21:29	#37 (permalink)
tenjin SeventhSon of aSeventhSon Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 549	cool man... ya also seen both sides of the debate as well but didn't think it would really be detrimental to the plant. The only ones worried about was some of the leaves cut close to the bud at the top of plant. But SWIM always trims here and there, for better airflow and space like you said. The top buds are looking really swollen and sugary lately, can't wait for harvest!! will update some pics soon too.

11-15-09, 23:17	#38 (permalink)
tenjin SeventhSon of aSeventhSon Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 549	few pics... Attached Thumbnails

11-16-09, 02:47	#39 (permalink)
Manofmanyhats Mycophiliac Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 10	What do you think about heavy trimming of fan leaves late in flower? I thought I read something to the effect of not trimming in late flowering, something about keeping fan leaves because they make sugars for the buds. Thx dude and thx for stopping by [/QUOTE] That ICE looks killer frosty, nice job. I have had some good results from leaving the fan leaves on my plants. Your hunch is correct leaving the leaves on releases carbohydrates back into the plant, but only after all the chlorophyll has been depleted. You have to remember that even though you have harvested the plant it is still alive for awhile. On the otherside of the coin if you are fortifying your plants with sugars like molasses (especially hydro) the overall brix levels are already high. So removing some leaves is not a huge concern.