Methadone Withdrawl

[tbonus]

I'm kicking methadone cold-turkey and was hoping somebody could help out on something that would make this journey just a little less painful on the body,except for Iboga!Like vitamins or any drug that would make this somewhat easier! PEOPLE,I FEEL LIKE BAKED SHIT! Day 7 with no dose!!!

[waylitjim]

You might find some helpful information here.
http://www.medhelp.org/HealthTopics/Methadone.html

[Alien]

Only thing I can add is that I could compare it to alcohol withdrawal which I went through. I know its tough, but you have to think first that you have made 7 days and that is awesome!!. I'm not sure how long it takes for methadone, but alcohol took about a week then soon I started to feel a nice calm come over me. Only thing you gotta watch out for when the storm settles is the desire to use will return bad, at least for me and many of my fellow addicts at the place I went to.

It all comes down to playing mind games with yourself and focusing on how good you feel, or will feel, and to keep putting in more and more time beyond the last use. One book I really like was about AVRT which is addictive voice recognition technique, try looking it up sometime.

Just hang in there and remember, you are stronger than you were ever in your life if you over come this. Look at it as a great learning experience.

[tbonus]

Thanks Waylit, some real good shit there!

[tbonus]

I really appreciate the words of wisdom Alien!!!

[rocketman]

benedryl in big doses to help you sleep, if you get there within a week you are lucky. the generics are alot cheaper
muscle relaxers are good to have for a week or so
ive heard, but dont know first hand that immodium in big doses helps some ppl
valium or xanax if you can take it for a week or two heavy then put it down.
stay away from sugar and drink a ton of water. caffeine is also bad during this time.
weed can help, depending on the person......it added to the stress for me
many say kratom works to take the edge off during wds. i havent tried kratom for wds, but it is very opiate like.


congrats on quitting. 7 days is a huge accomplishment. keep any opiates out of your reach, and i mean no where around you period. stay determined to make the lifestyle changes necessary to maintain your choice.

the nights are waaay worse than the days, take alot of hot baths
they help alot. almost forgot that one. and talk to us, we are here and someone will always answer you.

[SquaresandCubes]

I know many who went down that road and had to journey out of it. Please stay in there. It sucks and its hard but think to yourself that you may as well stop now rather than way down the road.

The longer it goes on the harder it will become.

Stay in there my thoughts are with ya man

[Foster]

Brother, I feel for ya. THIS is no easy task. My pal started w/ 30mg now is 175. They wont let him reduce until he pees clean(no pot). Then only 1 mil a week. I agree with several of rock's suggestions. Bendryl always intensifeied the done, but allowed sleep if thats what ya wanna call it. vals or sedates may help some 2. keep urself hydrated, and eat somethin if ya can. Man I'd hate to b in ur shoes. It was noticed that small! amount of mush daily helped tremendously 4 minor op8 withdrwls. vic,oc and such GOOD LUCK!!! Just try to remember the phys withdrwls will go away fairly quick(2 weeks or so max from what i hear) Its the mental strain u GOTTA beat down. And YOU have to beat it down. Stay psane you can make it if ya wannit bad enough. Im proof!

[Glasshopper]

You might want to try licorice root.
It has been used traditionaly to ease withdrawal symtoms as well as helps with muscle spasms and helps the digestive tract and liver.

tbonus..........I'm sorry I don't have any suggestions to help you.

I'd just like to say, hang in there! A week is a lot further than most get when quitting an addiction. Stay strong, and best of luck to you!

Sending good vibes your way!!!!!!!

[scotia]

tbonus, this may be a help to you. I have no experience with Ibogaine or withdrawal but I'm sure it won't hurt to try. I hope the moderators don't mind my posting a link to the botanical site (as they are not sponsors) where you can obtain Ibogaine as it is for a good cause. Anyway, read on and the link is at the bottom.

Tabernanthe Iboga Rootbark (TIR) is the yellowish root that contains the active alkaloids; the root bark is shaved and eaten directly or as a powder drank in an infusion. The bwiti cult and other secret tribes use Iboga throughout Gabon and the Congo, it has been referred to as the tree of knowledge. They believe the use of the plant to help resist the loss of their traditional tribal life, individuality and to prevent the influence of western civilization.

In the west, Ibogaine first became known during the 1960's, when the drug-scene was always open for new things to try. Interestingly enough, this drug soon got the reputation to be able to cure addictions. This was accidently discovered by H. Lotsof, a New York film-student and heroin addict. In 1962, he took a dose of ibogaine and discovered it alleviated all the withdrawal symptoms of his heroin addiction. It has been found as an effective NMDA interrupter as it interrupts the receptor, which becomes addicted to substances such as heroin, cocaine, ketamine, nicotine, alcohol and many other drugs. It seems to be a very promising power that is in this plant.

Plant Description
Tabernanthe iboga, is a plant that grows wild in forests around Africa. The Australian relative is in the closely related genus Tabernaemontana, which also grows in many other countries, especially Tabernaemontana orientalis.
Tabernanthe iboga is a 3-4 foot tall shrub with copious white, vile-smelling latex. Ovate leaves 3 1/2-4 inches long and 1 14/ inch wide are yellow-green beneath. The plant has tiny yellowish, pinkish, or white and pink spotted flowers which grow in groups of 5 to 12. Yellow-orange fruits grow in pairs and become as large as olives

Contents
"As with other hallucinogens, especially Teonanacatl and Ololiuqui, the active principles of Tabernanthie Iboga belong to the large class of indole alkaloids. Ibogaine, which can be produced synthetically, is the main alkaloid of Iboga. Its hallucinogenic effects are accompanied by strong stimulation of the central nervous system."

EFFECTS AND PROPERTIES
Vastly reduces withdrawal pains and cravings from heroin, methadone, alcohol and cocaine, may do the same with other drugs. The clinical dosage for the root bark is 16-45 grams. The known clinical dosage of Ibogaine being administered in treatment centers ranges from 10-20mg/Kg bodyweight to 250mg- 2g in extreme cases of addiction. IBOGA SHOULD NOT BE USED WITH ANY OTHER SUBSTANCE UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES. When using iboga it is pertinent that a caregiver and/or medical supervision always be present until the experience is over.

Much research has been done with using Ibogaine (The active alkaloid in Iboga) for drug addiction therapy. The results have been spectacular with about a 90% success rate when taken in one high dose by an opiate or even alcohol addict it drastically reduces the withdrawal symptoms and gives the patent an insight with clear visions into his or her own life, revealing the personal cause of the addiction. This in turn enables the patient to go for months without a relapse.

Ibogaine

[tbonus]

Thanks everybody,Its nice to have a family out there that cares!I'm bound and determined to beat this!!!Ya know, when I first got on the `done, nobody told me that it was worse than all the other shit,I had to find out for myself!! Thanx Freaky, GOOD VIBES RECIEVED!!!!!

[rocketman]

Yep, methadone is harder to quit than heroin or any other opiate due to the long half life. You can do it.

[SquaresandCubes]

Keep us updated so we can offer our support/suggestions.
Hang in there.
This is probably one of the hardest things you will ever do but also one of the best. The rewards for this one will be great.

[muddz]

Stay tough and confident it takes a little while be prepared for couple weeks of feeling like trash. Drink plenty of water keep hydrated. Force yourself to eat little bit every couple hours. I quit methadone cold turkey little over year ago at 220 or so mg day and it was one of the worse things in my life....I practically lived in bathtub for week and half. Get some benzo's or ambien to help ya sleep, enough to get ya through couple weeks. Be strong man, I feel for ya it is rough...peace and good luck

[tbonus]

Thanks Muddz, I't doesnt bother me so much in the daytime, but nightime is the worst!! I feel like cutting both my legs off because they will not stop thrashing about! I got no sleep the last couple of nights! My old lady has a script of Ambien so I plan on taking some tonight! I'm very thankful for all you guys support, that really makes it so much easier! PEACE TO EVERYONE!!!

[I_am_me]

Awesome you've gotten this far man, just keep it up. I'm sending some good vibrations your way, you can do it.

[tbonus]

Thanks I am me, I really appreciate your encouragement, Man, I dont know what I'd do without all the support from the mycotopiates on this site!! You guys are awsome!!!GOOD VIBES TO EVERYONE!!!!!

[Foster]

Hey, most of us have probly been in a situation similar(Done is the roughest IMO). Im really glad your doin as good as u r. you are way farther than most ppl get! Keep it up! just wish my bro had the strength you have. you can kick! you will kick! peace and my best to u bro , pfost

[muddz]

I got that leg thing really bad too and my arms i would actually sit on my hand so i could sit still longer...when i tried to lay down while in methadone withdrawals i would switch sides every couple minutes and couldn't get comfortable...i got prescribed some anti parkinsons drug to help me get through it which helped tiny bit...went through ton of anti diareha meds too...i will never touch methadone again...having surgery while on blockage level dose sucked too, they couldn't give me enough stuff to help the pain...good luck and hang in there and if ya need anyone to talk to or anything lemme know....cheers

[2sick]

Any advice welcome. I was on methadone for 10 years then financialy detoxed. My last dose was 9 days ago. I'm dying.I don't know what to do. I can't stay like this. I need to be able to take care of my daughter. Anybody out there have any ideas?

[2sick]

Any advice welcome. I was on methadone for 10 years then financialy detoxed. My last dose was 9 days ago. I'm dying.I don't know what to do. I can't stay like this. I need to be able to take care of my daughter. Anybody out there have any ideas?

[stickyscissors]

Originally Posted by 2sick

Any advice welcome. I was on methadone for 10 years then financialy detoxed. My last dose was 9 days ago. I'm dying.I don't know what to do. I can't stay like this. I need to be able to take care of my daughter. Anybody out there have any ideas?

I think everyone will agree that there isn't really too much you can do to combat the physical withdrawal symptoms, other than laying up and waiting them out.

As was stated before, anti-diarrhea meds, sleep meds, and plenty of clear liquids are going to be your best bets for feeling better in the roughest times.

Whatever you do, you have to keep in mind that you have made it this far, and, as far as the physical symptoms go, you are over halfway out of the woods.

Don't quit! Good vibes.

[claykrys]

Kratom helps with the watering eyes, anxiety and cold sweat. You should give it a try. It really does help.

Hang in there, your life will be better if you stay strong.

[buteo]

I went through the same troubles.After i quit, I found i ended up eating alot. so i started excersing alot and took my mind off the withdrawal. At 1st i felt horrible but after a couple days the excersise started making me feel better. I had no choice to stop bc my drug habbit landed me in the hospital with a coma. So maybe it was easier for me bc i got it "scared" out of me. Goodluck

[seven rays]

I did a cold turkey from Oxy/T-3's/anything else I could beg, borrow, or steal almost 2 years ago after 4+ years of daily use and about that many years of escalating usage.

I can only urge you to stick with it. It feels like death...but soon...very soon you will feel ALIVE again...like you've never felt before. For me it was a sensory overload of major proportions...the sky..music..sex... food...basically everything I had put aside for my addiction...well..it all came back...and it came back 10-fold.

I urge you to reach out to anyone who will help/listen/understand. You are on the crux of something fantastic...and the last hours will test your will the most.

Hang in there. You CAN kill the demon within and you ARE stronger then he is.

lastly...know you are not alone in this.

all the best.

s r

[dice]

Edit:This thread is 2 years old sorry didnt see that.
Well hope all went well for you man.
2sick are you feeling any better yet?
Ive heard kratom will help with the wd,
just dont get hooked on that also.
Its a good crutch if needed.
Hope your feeling better man

[Ras Asad]

[feralronin]

So here is something I know about. Unfortunantly. My road to detox was a little different but I thought I should share.

Started off eating lortabs, then any PK, then came Oxycontin. Began snorting and taking them daily, then in the morning, then throughout the day. Then I saw how much $ I was spending and was told about methadone.

The sad reality is that at this point I should have just bit the bullet and detoxed, but a bad friend told me to go to the methadone clinic. That was the beginning of the end.

Started on 30mg and went up up up. Battled my way up and down from 120 mg/day about an average of 60mgs. I was on methadone for at least 3 years and tried everything to get off.

For me the problem when getting off was my nerves. I already have anxiety and couldn't find a doc to give me my script of xanax. Probably a good idea knowing the combo!!!!!

I then went to a new clinic that specialized in methadone detox. I was placed on suboxone and given a script of xanax. A bag a bud and I was set. 4 months or so and I was opiate free, and was working my way down to a reasonable amount of xanax. Took a few months but now am completely opiate and xanax free.

Just thought I would share my road, as each is different. But I should tell you that you have already gone farther than I ever did off methadone, and keep it up. Your prize at the finish line is better than anything you could ever imagine.


A few tips--
Cold/ hot flashes seem to be less bothersome when lots and lots of showers baths are taken. makes the body feel so good and warm.

Sleeping was a big problem of mine during this time.-- Valerian root pills, extracts are amazing. Just enough relaxation to sleep and no hangover.

Hunger- another big one for me. MJ is the only thing that would make me hungry when I knew I needed to eat.


And when you do get off, don't forget that it takes the body a while to readjust. Stay positive, keep those around you who care for you and support you, and for god's sake don't give up. You have already done the hard part. Now its sticking to the plan. Don't do the easy thing.

[tbonus]

Happy to report,4-2-09 COMPLETELY off methadone as well as all p-k.Just got out of jail and FREE AT LAST!!!!Thx guys!!

[Dr.Hallucination.]

Well I guess let me be the first to say congratulations tbonus.

[cleanjar]

There is no comfortable way around kicking. There just isn't. Pretty much however much fun you had with using - expect that returned with pain while suffering the withdrawls - I would not recommend using any drugs at-all while kicking. Embrace the misery, if you can stretch the idea far enough, going cold turkey is the most incredible healing process you'll ever live through. I'm going to speak mostly about Morphine & synthetics, as I know little about methadone (heard it's the worse).

I'd say that the wisest approach for pre/post-kicking is to visit a physician of Traditional Chinese Medicine & Acupuncture. I'd say the single largest struggle for addicts relapsing is no where close to being 'weak' or 'no will power' - because junkies are pretty frickin tough I'd say otherwise. "Recovery" is so frequently never acheived, because the body simply does-not or will-not "re-set" itself, or re-setting it's original balance of energy, which leads to depression & boredom that just won't go away. Obviously, the lifestyle of being sick and dependent on dope you've learned - sucks. It completely sucks. People only relapse because they still feel like shit even clean. If they were healthy, the idea of getting high from opiates just is not appealing much anymore.



Acupuncture is king medicine.



The doctor of natural Oriental medicine will diagnose you in terms of Eastern medical theory, give you acu treatment, and a special natural herbal formula or two to begin treating the diagnosis. Undoubtably, if you've been strung out, you have more medical complaints & disorders attached then just using drugs. In fact, when many drug therapists in America say "you have to figure out why you began using dope in the first place", what that really says underneath is that you likely had something going on with your body to drive you towards ingesting opiates with regularity. Maybe your kidneys, maybe your liver, ect. You could probably visit the NA meetings, and folks with the 30 year chips still have not figured that reason out, because they search their memories for bad experiences that triggered it (which is a large part of it) instead of thinking maybe they have health issues that they and their medical doctors have no clue. Emotional experiences are the root of most all diseases in the body, but, the conventional wisdom of Eastern philosophies suggests something like "it's over, now we repair the body, make you better".

Acupuncture is very similar to opiates in a way - both are predominently administered to relieve pain & discomfort from the body. And when a person takes methadone it's not truly the Done that humans get hooked on, they get hooked on the release of natural endorphins that are already inside all of our bodies - and it wacks the crap out of your bodies natural balance in the process. Acupuncture releases endorphins also, yet at a balanced level, it re-balances energy in the body that is out of wack. Without it, I honestly cannot think of or know of anything that could work better then acupuncture. I even heard the other day that a drug court in Tampa is Requiring the people in the program to undergo acu treatments.. which is the only good thing I'd ever heard from any drug court programs.

The natural herbal formulas are going to treat anyone much better then pharmaceuticals, the latter of course having side-effects. Stuff like xanax is frickin yucky - there are legitimate natural Prescriptions (Made in China) that will relaxx so much better, and completely natural. Nothing you will see at a natural vitamin store really, or Walgreens, you'll need a doctor of TCM in your area to talk with you and they will gladly hook you up. It's effective, natural, and not addictive. Need to sleep, need to relax, need to lose weight, gain weight, stop aches and pains, everything (no opiates). Along the lines I type here, opiates have little use other then for terminal cancer patients and such - even for medical surgeries in China they'll often just use acupuncture as the anestetic before and afterwards. Oddly, the acupuncture treatments will be something you will look forward to, makes you happy, makes you balanced.

Unlike your medical doctor who doesn't want to prescribe pills for anxiety attacks, a doc of TCM will be happy to prescribe to you the natural herbal formula pills to make you relax. Unlike the medical doctor who doesn't want to prescribe dangerous sleeping pills, the natural doctor will be happy to know you have insomnia, here's some cool Chinese herbs you need to eat these everyday. Menstral cramps, menopause, constipation, arthritis, blood problems, cholesterol, hypertension, depression, HeadAches, allergies, skin problems, obesity, everything really, it has all been figured out for the most part.

Even if a lady wanted to lose some extra pounds, a single acupuncture treatment can shed 10+ pounds after one week of maintaining the same diet and exercise. Balancing you see, include herbs each day, like at bouncing bear, yet, you must understand to say one formula will work for everyone is not valid entirely, because formulas are meant to match the diagnosis of a individual... the one at BBB is only one formula (awesome product albiet) that will work for most people to lose weight, yet with a correct diagnosis there are likely other similar formulas out there that will be even more effectively prescribed per individual to lose weight. I was super happy to see that script source at their site btw.

A diagnosis is surprisely simple, and entirely-faster then what Americans would typically suspect. They'll have you halfway diagnosed with just your birthday, seeing your face and saying hi for a minute. Questions about your medical history, other questions ex. do you wake up early or late; do you like hot or cold drinks, prefer hot or cold weather, see your tounge, Feel your pulse, and it's pretty much a done deal at that point. This is nothing many Americans are familar with, but this organic design they use is literally set in stone after thousands of years. Unlike when we read our horoscopes: sometimes you read it and it sounds pretty close to your experience that day, and other times what you read is nothing at all like how you're feeling. With the diagnosis a doctor of TCM uses, it's dead on, no mistake.

The herbs are going to be equal or even cheaper then whatever they try to sell you at the pharmacy. The acu on the other hand is going to be expensive.. US/Canada about 60-80USD per half hour - while in China it is roughly 1-2USD per half hour. Maybe you make a prolonged vacation of it? Further, and I had been mistakenly misread once online as being racist about this statement: make certain the doctor you choose was born in China (with a Medical Degree In China). I consider it prerequisit for the doc to be from China. They were born China, raised China, eat, think, talk, study, all in China. Even their doctorate is acheived by reading, writing and talking in Chinese. It makes a big difference, I lived and traveled their country - it matters.

Good luck,

[Foster]

Woot! Hooray T-Bonus! Congrats man!. So happy for you I cant even express it in words. As I'm sure you are too.
Freedom, what a wonderful thing it is!
All my best man, Foster

[claykrys]

Originally Posted by tbonus

Happy to report,4-2-09 COMPLETELY off methadone as well as all p-k.Just got out of jail and FREE AT LAST!!!!Thx guys!!

Congrats and welcome back

[steeq]

To you for kicking it man. I'm happy for you!

[masterplain88]

been on off heroin addict for a few years. its hard but you just have to stay with it. for me it was a every day fight for a while till you just kinda forget about it but the thought still kicks. so i just stay away peroid.
keep it up.

[usagolden]

try some allergy medicine...alot of it