Dooby trys growing desmanthus leptolobus

doobydoobydoo · 02-23-07, 23:03

I got these seeds from a friend. After becoming interested somewhat in spice, this botanical caught my eye. It is supposed to be similar to mimosa, and we all know the good stuff about mhrb. It does not grow tall trees, instead it grows this weed like ground hugging/crawling/sprawling lil plant. Seems cool enough.

I found this site below on the net with some info about it including some nice pictures of it outdoors in its habitat, some closeups, and some pictures of the roots!

http://www.troutsnotes.com/sc/Desmanthus_leptolobus.htm

This is a picture of the seeds I received minus a few I planted. That is also what looks like the seed pod shell. (3 pics of the seeds are attached including one high res shot)

So having some seeds, I set up to start a few and see what happens.

I was told by someone in chat here to score the seeds b4 planting. So, I took a really sharp pair of sterile scissors, and knicked the ends on about 6 seeds. I then took these and put them in soaked rockwool cubes. Actually, they are some sort of horticulture cubes, but same idea.

These were then placed in a big ziplock partially open to keep them moist but allow some air change. This bag was placed on top of a lil floro shop light on the edge because it throws off some nice heat on top, and left it there.

Within one day, one had popped already! Within 2 days, all except 2, and within 3 days, all except one had germinated! That one never made it

. So, 6 planted, 5 made it, 3 looking really nice now.

Have had them under a cool white T-5 dual 24" floro light setup on a near 24hr light schedule. Recently moved under a 400 watt hid. Not super bright, but they seem to like it just fine so far and are growing rather quickly.

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The 3 nice ones have already been transplanted to deeper seed pots by directly placing the whole cube right in them. I read and/or was told they can get very large tap roots, up to 3 feet long. I already saw that tap root shooting out the bottom of the cubes, and why I opted for the deeper pots.

One suggestion for future transplanting given to me was/is to use waste baskets, like kitchen garbage pails, cuz they are not so wide, but are nice and deep. Also, they may have clear ones to put something over and pull away to see the roots when/if I want... Dunno if I'll be doing that, but it's a cool idea.

Even if I just use some dollar store garbage pails! hah

The growing medium is a mixture of coir/verm/perlite and dats it. Coir seems to really favor roots, and I think we're gonna want a big ass root system here, so that's why coir was chosen. Along with roots, I want seeds, more seeds to spread around here to friends at topia and to play with.

So that will also be a goal.

Fert mix is a very mild solution of Canna's coco ferts and Earth Juice's Microblast. Coco mixed in at 3ml per 2 liters and EJ Microblast at a rate of 1ml per 2 liters. This will be adjusted as needed, etc. Might even be a bit much for them now.

New growth is starting off nice and with a redish hint and then turning green. Also, when darkness falls, the leaves sorta curl up/in a bit. Will have to get pics of those soon too.

Sorry for some of the blurry pics, my camera was not cooperating. Will keep the good pics/updates coming though. No worries.

I would say they are almost 2 weeks old.

CoyoteMesc · 02-23-07, 23:26

neat project ddd,
those plants look neat, almost a fern style leaf,
I didn't read the site yet, but before i go into the questions Ill read the link. bbl for that.
cool pics

doobydoobydoo · 02-24-07, 01:02

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Originally Posted by CoyoteMesc

neat project ddd,
those plants look neat, almost a fern style leaf,
I didn't read the site yet, but before i go into the questions Ill read the link. bbl for that.
cool pics

Yeah, he's got some good info and pics, I didn't want to go "stealing it" so just linked it.

shobimono · 02-24-07, 09:49

Cool

Keep us posted.

mycobri · 02-24-07, 10:13

go doob!

knicking these seeds can be a rough task. i used a glovebox because the seeds would go flying across the room

looking good

the 5 Desmanthus Illinoensis plants i had last season grew from seed to about 3' until they died in the late fall, which is strange because they should be able to endure a little cold. i will have to try again.

good luck with the D. leptolobus

doobydoobydoo · 02-24-07, 17:09

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Originally Posted by mycobri

go doob!

knicking these seeds can be a rough task. i used a glovebox because the seeds would go flying across the room

looking good

the 5 Desmanthus Illinoensis plants i had last season grew from seed to about 3' until they died in the late fall, which is strange because they should be able to endure a little cold. i will have to try again.

good luck with the D. leptolobus

Supposedly the leptolobus is a lil diff than the illinoensis... at least according to that troutsnotes site... Will see how they do. Thanks for the best wishes bri

doobydoobydoo · 02-27-07, 23:36

Coming along nicely...

Camera still giving my blurry pics...

lol

mycot · 02-28-07, 21:31

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Originally Posted by mycobri

go doob!

knicking these seeds can be a rough task. i used a glovebox because the seeds would go flying across the room

looking good

the 5 Desmanthus Illinoensis plants i had last season grew from seed to about 3' until they died in the late fall, which is strange because they should be able to endure a little cold. i will have to try again.

good luck with the D. leptolobus

Mycobri. I hope you haven't chucked those plants out yet.

D. leptolobus dies back to the rootstock during the colder months, only to come back stronger than ever come spring.

mycobri · 02-28-07, 21:37

oh good. there still in there pots outside
planning on joining DDD and starting several dozen more desmanthus i. soon.

doobydoobydoo · 03-02-07, 01:37

More updates, pics from March 1st, 2007. Camera still being a lil off. The last pic is ok though.

Looking nice, starting to get extra side growth now already.

I saw this on one early one, the leaves on a shoot were all falling off. And then I saw it today on this one. You can see it right in the middle on the right. Not sure what is causing it, or if it's normal. But, worth mentioning.

marsofold · 03-16-07, 20:30

http://www.entheobiblica.com/03.115-...Desmanthus.htm

sells trout's book on cultivation of Desmanthus (I have this book). In another month it will be seedling starting time where I live, so your pictures inspire me muchly. BTW, I've extracted DMT from the root. Got 150milligrams (three doses) of DMT from a kilogram of dried root.

doobydoobydoo · 03-21-07, 22:20

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Originally Posted by marsofold

http://www.entheobiblica.com/03.115-...Desmanthus.htm
sells trout's book on cultivation of Desmanthus (I have this book). In another month it will be seedling starting time where I live, so your pictures inspire me muchly. BTW, I've extracted DMT from the root. Got 150milligrams (three doses) of DMT from a kilogram of dried root.

So what percentage was that? 1000g in a kilo... who's good at math?

BaconSquishy · 03-22-07, 15:29

150 out of 1,000,000 equals to what 0.015%? Something like that.

Doctor D · 03-22-07, 17:57

Are you kidding me?! Those friggin weeds have DMT in them? I see that stuff growing ALL over.

Are there lookalikes that are nonactive as well? They also look very similar to those plants whose leaves close up when you touch them.

This is positively great news! Actually, after further thought, I've seen pics of mimosa hostilis as well. They look similar, so I shouldn't be so shocked. I just never put two and two together.

doobydoobydoo · 03-22-07, 19:08

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Originally Posted by Doctor D

Are you kidding me?! Those friggin weeds have DMT in them? I see that stuff growing ALL over.
Are there lookalikes that are nonactive as well? They also look very similar to those plants whose leaves close up when you touch them.

I'm sure there are some lookalikes and similar, no idea about what's in what though... The DMT in these is found in the roots. And yup, they are probably all over like you said, fields and fields of worthless weeds... oh wait, they're not so worthless after all.

doobydoobydoo · 03-22-07, 19:19

Wikipedia says some stuff about 'desmanthus'. Not much though really. Click the link and it'll take you there. This is a snippet from it:

"Desmanthus is a genus of about 24 species of herbs and shrubs and is sometimes described as being suffruiticose. It is in the subfamily Mimosoideae of the legume family Fabaceae, with bipinnate leaves. Desmanthus is closely related to Leucaena and in appearance is similar to Neptunia. Like Mimosa and Neptunia, Desmanthus folds its leaves in the evening. It is native to Mexico and North, Central and South America."

What it says about folding it's leaves in the evening is true. From what I have seen so far, it does not like you messing with it's light cycles very much. Going from light to dark too quick and too often really messes em up and causes a lot of the lil tiny round leaves to fall off.

Also, they were not liking the super bright light so were brought back to the floros are actually rather far, but are growing far better and quicker since. Been getting busy with some other things here and there so I have to make sure I put some time in on these babies

I'll get some updates (pictures) up later tonight if I can.

Doctor D · 03-22-07, 21:00

Aha! The plants with the sensitive leaves that fold up when you touch them are a species of mimosa. I thought they looked familiar.

Does anyone know what I'm talking about?

doobydoobydoo · 03-22-07, 23:31

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Originally Posted by Doctor D

Aha! The plants with the sensitive leaves that fold up when you touch them are a species of mimosa. I thought they looked familiar.

Does anyone know what I'm talking about?

Nope, but probably something very similar.

doobydoobydoo · 03-23-07, 01:32

As promised, some picture updates. 2 plants looking pretty nice all and all. The others, you can see what I mean about the stress and the lil leaves falling off.

But, they are still kicking with healthy new top growth so all is well.. soon as it's warm with no more frost they head to the outdoors.

So, not super doobyish just yet, a lil embarrassing those couple are, but things happen. heh Had to share so you can see what I mean with those leaves falling off... We'll get these babies looking good though, no worries.

llamabox · 03-23-07, 02:58

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Originally Posted by Doctor D

Aha! The plants with the sensitive leaves that fold up when you touch them are a species of mimosa. I thought they looked familiar.

Does anyone know what I'm talking about?

Ummm... maybe a sensitive plant?
Mimosa pudica

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Originally Posted by doobydoobydoo

Like Mimosa and Neptunia, Desmanthus folds its leaves in the evening.

What it says about folding it's leaves in the evening is true. From what I have seen so far, it does not like you messing with it's light cycles very much. Going from light to dark too quick and too often really messes em up and causes a lot of the lil tiny round leaves to fall off.

My Acacia obtusifolia does this also. I grew it though the winter as a seedling, now looking slightly similar to your earlier pics. It is just coming out of the seedling stage and is getting it's first long leaves.

lyqwyd · 03-23-07, 13:37

in the us theres a tree called mimosa or tree of heaven, albizzia julibrissin that looks very similar to what you have there dooby. i think it has phototropic leaves, too. definitely in the mimosideae sub family. cool plant, has anti-depressent qualities in the bark used in TCM (traditional Chinese Medicine)
i wish i had some cladistics papers so i could see where the albizzias and the desmanthuses branch of. also, these guys are releated to acacia too i B leave..

Doctor D · 03-23-07, 17:19

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Originally Posted by llamabox

Ummm... maybe a sensitive plant?
Mimosa pudica

That's the one! Thanks! I've seen those growing as weeds in Hawaii and elsewhere. A Google search found a website that says they have low (the lowest actually) levels of tryptamines in them. I wonder how low is low? Like, not-worthwhile-kinda low?

Mimosa hostilis, nigra, pudica tenuiflora, verrucosa, scabrella (Leguminosae)
Mimosa hostilis contains 0.57% N,N dimethyltryptamin (DMT). M.pudica has the lowest tryptamine concentration. Low amounts of tryptamines and MMT has been found in Mimosa somnians "Jonathan Ott: Pharmacoteon s.174-175 1993"

M. hostilis, M. niagra and M. verruosa were used as the basis of the entheogenic brew "Vinho de jurema" in Brazil.
"According to Legendary Etnobotanical Resources M.tenuiflora has a very high tryptamine concentration in roots and stems."

doobydoobydoo · 03-23-07, 19:39

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Originally Posted by llamabox

Ummm... maybe a sensitive plant?
Mimosa pudica

LOL, I thought that was a joke... But there really is such a thing! hah!

zekesdream · 03-24-07, 00:56

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Originally Posted by marsofold

BTW, I've extracted DMT from the root. Got 150milligrams (three doses) of DMT from a kilogram of dried root.

curious, was this from leptolobus or illinoensis? whole root, rather than just rootbark? and how old were the plants?

marsofold · 03-26-07, 19:06

It was commercial Illinoisis from two different vendors. One was whole root (had to use my 2-hp electric chipper, then the blender). The other was a fine dust which the vendor claims was the rootbark. Both yielded roughly the same.

mycot · 03-27-07, 21:23

Greater yeilds are to be expected in D.leptobus rootbark >0.2%

CoyoteMesc · 03-27-07, 22:31

Looking good dooby. Can you clone those guys from cuttings?

doobydoobydoo · 05-01-07, 19:44

I'm gonna try to clone some for the hell of it, why not... hehe

These have been moved outdoors now. They went out yesterday April 30th. Will get some updated pics as soon as I can. So far they seem to be loving full sun. They were getting ignored somewhat indoors so now that they are out they hopefully will take off.

doobydoobydoo · 05-02-07, 17:20

Ok, updated pictures as promised. These really do look a lil sad and embarrassing... but, it's my own fault, not been caring for them properly, were not in doobyland. Now though, they have been brought back home and out to the powerfull sun they go. A few are better than the others. There's even some green trich growing in one of them.. ick.. but, I'm gonna get these all nice and going good, never fear.

A lil adjusting and transplanting will be done next thing.

CoyoteMesc · 05-02-07, 17:59

Those babies are growing like weeds man. Nice job
they really do grow fast eh? Do they slow down a bit at a certain age or do ya know?

doobydoobydoo · 05-02-07, 18:20

Well, in the past month, they've sorta halted... due to lack of proper lighting, right watering schedules, etc... I'm waiting for them to really explode with growth now and harden off with the full sun and grow big once they get transplanted... Kinda hard to say how their growth schedule is because of this past month of slow/halted growth with em...

Hippie3 · 05-04-07, 18:41

don't look too bad,
hopefully now they get into high gear.

doobydoobydoo · 05-04-07, 19:40

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Originally Posted by Hippie3

don't look too bad,
hopefully now they get into high gear.

I'll tell ya what, these things LOVE the full sun... Getting very green and so far none of the little leaves have fallen off, even with the fairly strong winds we had the other day. So far so good, larger pots next step.

FlyvAgaric · 05-04-07, 21:40

Botanicals are so fun. I need to get a little patch going myself. Of some differen't kinds.

You did a good job here man. hehe

take it easy buddy,

05-04-07, 22:09

those look awesome doob

whats the maintenance on those?
how do you water them and stuff?

doobydoobydoo · 07-13-07, 23:55

Had to pull this back outta the vaults...

I thought these had all died for various reasons, I left em out though anyways, and sure enough, there is one sole survivor! hah I've been too busy to germ the rest of the seeds right now, so I'm happy this one made it! I'll get some pics up as soon as I can. I transplanted it outta the lil black pot there into a nice 4-5 gallon pot. The mix is some regular garden soil, some sand, some coco coir, a lil perlite, a handfull of compost, and some peat moss. Already in a day or two of transplanting, it looks VERY HAPPY

I'm wondering how these make seeds... If I am lucky, perhaps this one alone will make some viable seeds.

doobydoobydoo · 07-14-07, 16:38

The pictures as promised :

Survival of the fittest.

mycobri · 07-15-07, 03:30

Some will make it through the summer

nice

mycot · 07-17-07, 21:34

Plants can get damn large in a couple seasons, a single plant assuming the mass of half a dozen large plants as it sprawls sideways.
Amount of sun and rootspace are important in maximising growth and getting flowering in the first season.
Rootspace is also important for rootbark production and in getting those chunky roots with food reserves to survive the winter months.

doobydoobydoo · 07-17-07, 23:51

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Originally Posted by mycot

Plants can get damn large in a couple seasons, a single plant assuming the mass of half a dozen large plants as it sprawls sideways.
Amount of sun and rootspace are important in maximising growth and getting flowering in the first season.
Rootspace is also important for rootbark production and in getting those chunky roots with food reserves to survive the winter months.

You are referring to the desmanthus leptolobus? They will winter over?

mycot · 07-18-07, 00:50

Yes I'm refering to leptolobus. They die back to the rootstock over winter and come back the following spring provided the roots have some mass.

doobydoobydoo · 07-21-07, 17:58

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Originally Posted by mycot

Yes I'm refering to leptolobus. They die back to the rootstock over winter and come back the following spring provided the roots have some mass.

OOO, excellent. Very good to know. Thank you for the info mycot.

doobydoobydoo · 07-21-07, 18:04

One week later, looking nice.

doobydoobydoo · 08-01-07, 18:20

And wazzling right along ...

mycot · 08-01-07, 22:22

Yeah, I grew some a few years ago so I learnt a few things about them.

First off they are a weed so they are pretty easy requiring minimal care and grow fast. They are also prolific seed producers. I feel many more peeps should be growing this one because they are so easy and they give so much satisfaction. My plant love is coming out here.

They also like rootspace and any confinment here will slow down growth. I grew a number in medium sized containers which reached a height of two feet and produced seeds in the first year .A friend put one in the ground (an unfertilizes garden bed) and it ended up covering an area of two meters diameter, hence my earlier description. So my advice for serious growers is get them in the ground and grow them like weeds.

The seeds have a such a hard smooth shell that nicking them will make them fly clear across a room. The way around this is to rub them between sandpaper just enough to take a little shine off. I then soak them in water a couple hours then leave them between moist paper towelling to germinate. Any that haven't swollen and germinated after ten days goes through the sandpaper treatment again.

Thanks for posting this grow thread Doobs, I hope it will encourage others to grow this beutiful plant.

doobydoobydoo · 08-13-07, 21:05

I've noticed at night it really likes to hide/protect the leaves... They sorta curl up and it looks like its dead almost.

Tis neat.

Will have to try to get a pic of it.

doobydoobydoo · 08-16-07, 11:01

She's looking good.

Cowcharmer · 08-16-07, 15:39

Nice plants there doob's.

SharkieJones · 08-16-07, 16:30

I think those are growing wild here, had no idea they were anything special.

Thanks Doob!

doobydoobydoo · 08-17-07, 15:12

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Originally Posted by SharkieJones

I think those are growing wild here, had no idea they were anything special.

Thanks Doob!

I bet they are! That's the thing, they are all over out in the wild! I had read they like to favor open fields and whatnot and spawl on the ground somewhat. Go out hunting and get some pics and some roots

Or a few babies for home

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02-23-07, 23:03	#1 (permalink)
doobydoobydoo Moderator Join Date: Jan 1972 Posts: 2,767	Dooby trys growing desmanthus leptolobus I got these seeds from a friend. After becoming interested somewhat in spice, this botanical caught my eye. It is supposed to be similar to mimosa, and we all know the good stuff about mhrb. It does not grow tall trees, instead it grows this weed like ground hugging/crawling/sprawling lil plant. Seems cool enough. I found this site below on the net with some info about it including some nice pictures of it outdoors in its habitat, some closeups, and some pictures of the roots! http://www.troutsnotes.com/sc/Desmanthus_leptolobus.htm This is a picture of the seeds I received minus a few I planted. That is also what looks like the seed pod shell. (3 pics of the seeds are attached including one high res shot) So having some seeds, I set up to start a few and see what happens. I was told by someone in chat here to score the seeds b4 planting. So, I took a really sharp pair of sterile scissors, and knicked the ends on about 6 seeds. I then took these and put them in soaked rockwool cubes. Actually, they are some sort of horticulture cubes, but same idea. These were then placed in a big ziplock partially open to keep them moist but allow some air change. This bag was placed on top of a lil floro shop light on the edge because it throws off some nice heat on top, and left it there. Within one day, one had popped already! Within 2 days, all except 2, and within 3 days, all except one had germinated! That one never made it . So, 6 planted, 5 made it, 3 looking really nice now. Have had them under a cool white T-5 dual 24" floro light setup on a near 24hr light schedule. Recently moved under a 400 watt hid. Not super bright, but they seem to like it just fine so far and are growing rather quickly. [IMG][/IMG] The 3 nice ones have already been transplanted to deeper seed pots by directly placing the whole cube right in them. I read and/or was told they can get very large tap roots, up to 3 feet long. I already saw that tap root shooting out the bottom of the cubes, and why I opted for the deeper pots. One suggestion for future transplanting given to me was/is to use waste baskets, like kitchen garbage pails, cuz they are not so wide, but are nice and deep. Also, they may have clear ones to put something over and pull away to see the roots when/if I want... Dunno if I'll be doing that, but it's a cool idea. Even if I just use some dollar store garbage pails! hah The growing medium is a mixture of coir/verm/perlite and dats it. Coir seems to really favor roots, and I think we're gonna want a big ass root system here, so that's why coir was chosen. Along with roots, I want seeds, more seeds to spread around here to friends at topia and to play with. So that will also be a goal. Fert mix is a very mild solution of Canna's coco ferts and Earth Juice's Microblast. Coco mixed in at 3ml per 2 liters and EJ Microblast at a rate of 1ml per 2 liters. This will be adjusted as needed, etc. Might even be a bit much for them now. New growth is starting off nice and with a redish hint and then turning green. Also, when darkness falls, the leaves sorta curl up/in a bit. Will have to get pics of those soon too. Sorry for some of the blurry pics, my camera was not cooperating. Will keep the good pics/updates coming though. No worries. I would say they are almost 2 weeks old. Attached Thumbnails

02-27-07, 23:36	#7 (permalink)
doobydoobydoo Moderator Join Date: Jan 1972 Posts: 2,767	Coming along nicely... Camera still giving my blurry pics... lol Attached Thumbnails

03-02-07, 01:37	#10 (permalink)
doobydoobydoo Moderator Join Date: Jan 1972 Posts: 2,767	More updates, pics from March 1st, 2007. Camera still being a lil off. The last pic is ok though. Looking nice, starting to get extra side growth now already. I saw this on one early one, the leaves on a shoot were all falling off. And then I saw it today on this one. You can see it right in the middle on the right. Not sure what is causing it, or if it's normal. But, worth mentioning. Attached Thumbnails

03-23-07, 01:32	#19 (permalink)
doobydoobydoo Moderator Join Date: Jan 1972 Posts: 2,767	As promised, some picture updates. 2 plants looking pretty nice all and all. The others, you can see what I mean about the stress and the lil leaves falling off. But, they are still kicking with healthy new top growth so all is well.. soon as it's warm with no more frost they head to the outdoors. So, not super doobyish just yet, a lil embarrassing those couple are, but things happen. heh Had to share so you can see what I mean with those leaves falling off... We'll get these babies looking good though, no worries. Attached Thumbnails

02-23-07, 23:26	#2 (permalink)
CoyoteMesc howling mad Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 4,045	neat project ddd, those plants look neat, almost a fern style leaf, I didn't read the site yet, but before i go into the questions Ill read the link. bbl for that. cool pics

02-24-07, 09:49	#4 (permalink)
shobimono Chat Admin Join Date: Jan 1973 Posts: 823	Cool Keep us posted.

02-24-07, 10:13	#5 (permalink)
mycobri Stained Blue Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 2,731	go doob! knicking these seeds can be a rough task. i used a glovebox because the seeds would go flying across the room looking good the 5 Desmanthus Illinoensis plants i had last season grew from seed to about 3' until they died in the late fall, which is strange because they should be able to endure a little cold. i will have to try again. good luck with the D. leptolobus

02-28-07, 21:37	#9 (permalink)
mycobri Stained Blue Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 2,731	oh good. there still in there pots outside planning on joining DDD and starting several dozen more desmanthus i. soon.

03-16-07, 20:30	#11 (permalink)
marsofold Mycotopiate Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 352	http://www.entheobiblica.com/03.115-...Desmanthus.htm sells trout's book on cultivation of Desmanthus (I have this book). In another month it will be seedling starting time where I live, so your pictures inspire me muchly. BTW, I've extracted DMT from the root. Got 150milligrams (three doses) of DMT from a kilogram of dried root.

03-22-07, 15:29	#13 (permalink)
BaconSquishy Mycophage Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 126	150 out of 1,000,000 equals to what 0.015%? Something like that.

03-22-07, 17:57	#14 (permalink)
Doctor D (Not a real doctor) Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 2,260	Are you kidding me?! Those friggin weeds have DMT in them? I see that stuff growing ALL over. Are there lookalikes that are nonactive as well? They also look very similar to those plants whose leaves close up when you touch them. This is positively great news! Actually, after further thought, I've seen pics of mimosa hostilis as well. They look similar, so I shouldn't be so shocked. I just never put two and two together.

03-22-07, 19:19	#16 (permalink)
doobydoobydoo Moderator Join Date: Jan 1972 Posts: 2,767	Wikipedia says some stuff about 'desmanthus'. Not much though really. Click the link and it'll take you there. This is a snippet from it: "Desmanthus is a genus of about 24 species of herbs and shrubs and is sometimes described as being suffruiticose. It is in the subfamily Mimosoideae of the legume family Fabaceae, with bipinnate leaves. Desmanthus is closely related to Leucaena and in appearance is similar to Neptunia. Like Mimosa and Neptunia, Desmanthus folds its leaves in the evening. It is native to Mexico and North, Central and South America." What it says about folding it's leaves in the evening is true. From what I have seen so far, it does not like you messing with it's light cycles very much. Going from light to dark too quick and too often really messes em up and causes a lot of the lil tiny round leaves to fall off. Also, they were not liking the super bright light so were brought back to the floros are actually rather far, but are growing far better and quicker since. Been getting busy with some other things here and there so I have to make sure I put some time in on these babies I'll get some updates (pictures) up later tonight if I can.

03-22-07, 21:00	#17 (permalink)
Doctor D (Not a real doctor) Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 2,260	Aha! The plants with the sensitive leaves that fold up when you touch them are a species of mimosa. I thought they looked familiar. Does anyone know what I'm talking about?

03-23-07, 13:37	#21 (permalink)
lyqwyd Mycotopiate Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 664	in the us theres a tree called mimosa or tree of heaven, albizzia julibrissin that looks very similar to what you have there dooby. i think it has phototropic leaves, too. definitely in the mimosideae sub family. cool plant, has anti-depressent qualities in the bark used in TCM (traditional Chinese Medicine) i wish i had some cladistics papers so i could see where the albizzias and the desmanthuses branch of. also, these guys are releated to acacia too i B leave.. __________________ Hey man, there's a beverage here. - the dude

03-26-07, 19:06	#25 (permalink)
marsofold Mycotopiate Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 352	It was commercial Illinoisis from two different vendors. One was whole root (had to use my 2-hp electric chipper, then the blender). The other was a fine dust which the vendor claims was the rootbark. Both yielded roughly the same.

03-27-07, 21:23	#26 (permalink)
mycot Mycotopiate Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 359	Greater yeilds are to be expected in D.leptobus rootbark >0.2%

03-27-07, 22:31	#27 (permalink)
CoyoteMesc howling mad Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 4,045	Looking good dooby. Can you clone those guys from cuttings?

05-01-07, 19:44	#28 (permalink)
doobydoobydoo Moderator Join Date: Jan 1972 Posts: 2,767	I'm gonna try to clone some for the hell of it, why not... hehe These have been moved outdoors now. They went out yesterday April 30th. Will get some updated pics as soon as I can. So far they seem to be loving full sun. They were getting ignored somewhat indoors so now that they are out they hopefully will take off.

05-02-07, 17:20	#29 (permalink)
doobydoobydoo Moderator Join Date: Jan 1972 Posts: 2,767	Ok, updated pictures as promised. These really do look a lil sad and embarrassing... but, it's my own fault, not been caring for them properly, were not in doobyland. Now though, they have been brought back home and out to the powerfull sun they go. A few are better than the others. There's even some green trich growing in one of them.. ick.. but, I'm gonna get these all nice and going good, never fear. A lil adjusting and transplanting will be done next thing. Attached Thumbnails

05-02-07, 17:59	#30 (permalink)
CoyoteMesc howling mad Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 4,045	Those babies are growing like weeds man. Nice job they really do grow fast eh? Do they slow down a bit at a certain age or do ya know? __________________ WOODY: Hey, Mr. Peterson, there's a cold one waiting for you. NORM: I know. If she calls, I'm not here.[ (Cheers)

05-02-07, 18:20	#31 (permalink)
doobydoobydoo Moderator Join Date: Jan 1972 Posts: 2,767	Well, in the past month, they've sorta halted... due to lack of proper lighting, right watering schedules, etc... I'm waiting for them to really explode with growth now and harden off with the full sun and grow big once they get transplanted... Kinda hard to say how their growth schedule is because of this past month of slow/halted growth with em... Last edited by doobydoobydoo; 05-04-07 at 19:41.

05-04-07, 18:41	#32 (permalink)
Hippie3 DUNG DEALER Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 43,277	don't look too bad, hopefully now they get into high gear. __________________ visit dial-a-hippie .

05-04-07, 21:40	#34 (permalink)
FlyvAgaric Former Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 93	Botanicals are so fun. I need to get a little patch going myself. Of some differen't kinds. You did a good job here man. hehe take it easy buddy,

05-04-07, 22:09	#35 (permalink)
~vinz Guest Posts: n/a	those look awesome doob whats the maintenance on those? how do you water them and stuff?

07-13-07, 23:55	#36 (permalink)
doobydoobydoo Moderator Join Date: Jan 1972 Posts: 2,767	Had to pull this back outta the vaults... I thought these had all died for various reasons, I left em out though anyways, and sure enough, there is one sole survivor! hah I've been too busy to germ the rest of the seeds right now, so I'm happy this one made it! I'll get some pics up as soon as I can. I transplanted it outta the lil black pot there into a nice 4-5 gallon pot. The mix is some regular garden soil, some sand, some coco coir, a lil perlite, a handfull of compost, and some peat moss. Already in a day or two of transplanting, it looks VERY HAPPY I'm wondering how these make seeds... If I am lucky, perhaps this one alone will make some viable seeds.

07-14-07, 16:38	#37 (permalink)
doobydoobydoo Moderator Join Date: Jan 1972 Posts: 2,767	The pictures as promised : Survival of the fittest. Attached Thumbnails

07-15-07, 03:30	#38 (permalink)
mycobri Stained Blue Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 2,731	Some will make it through the summer nice

07-17-07, 21:34	#39 (permalink)
mycot Mycotopiate Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 359	Plants can get damn large in a couple seasons, a single plant assuming the mass of half a dozen large plants as it sprawls sideways. Amount of sun and rootspace are important in maximising growth and getting flowering in the first season. Rootspace is also important for rootbark production and in getting those chunky roots with food reserves to survive the winter months.

07-18-07, 00:50	#41 (permalink)
mycot Mycotopiate Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 359	Yes I'm refering to leptolobus. They die back to the rootstock over winter and come back the following spring provided the roots have some mass.

07-21-07, 18:04	#43 (permalink)
doobydoobydoo Moderator Join Date: Jan 1972 Posts: 2,767	One week later, looking nice. Attached Thumbnails

08-01-07, 18:20	#44 (permalink)
doobydoobydoo Moderator Join Date: Jan 1972 Posts: 2,767	And wazzling right along ... Attached Thumbnails

08-01-07, 22:22	#45 (permalink)
mycot Mycotopiate Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 359	Yeah, I grew some a few years ago so I learnt a few things about them. First off they are a weed so they are pretty easy requiring minimal care and grow fast. They are also prolific seed producers. I feel many more peeps should be growing this one because they are so easy and they give so much satisfaction. My plant love is coming out here. They also like rootspace and any confinment here will slow down growth. I grew a number in medium sized containers which reached a height of two feet and produced seeds in the first year .A friend put one in the ground (an unfertilizes garden bed) and it ended up covering an area of two meters diameter, hence my earlier description. So my advice for serious growers is get them in the ground and grow them like weeds. The seeds have a such a hard smooth shell that nicking them will make them fly clear across a room. The way around this is to rub them between sandpaper just enough to take a little shine off. I then soak them in water a couple hours then leave them between moist paper towelling to germinate. Any that haven't swollen and germinated after ten days goes through the sandpaper treatment again. Thanks for posting this grow thread Doobs, I hope it will encourage others to grow this beutiful plant.

08-13-07, 21:05	#46 (permalink)
doobydoobydoo Moderator Join Date: Jan 1972 Posts: 2,767	I've noticed at night it really likes to hide/protect the leaves... They sorta curl up and it looks like its dead almost. Tis neat. Will have to try to get a pic of it.

08-16-07, 11:01	#47 (permalink)
doobydoobydoo Moderator Join Date: Jan 1972 Posts: 2,767	She's looking good. Attached Thumbnails