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    Old 04-08-08, 03:31   #1 (permalink)
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    Talking Clean & Easy STB

    A few days ago I was walking down the street when I came across an SD memory card just sitting there on the ground. There was nobody around that it could have belonged to, so I brought it home to see if there was any sort of ID file or something. The card was full of pictures, and a text file which instructed that the foll0wing was to be posted on mycotopia (anybody lose an SD card? ):


    1. 445.9g MHRB was broken up and finely shredded in a glass blender

    2. 15 tbsp NaOH was added to 3,400 mL dH2O (Always add lye to water).

    3. MHRB was combined with basic H2O in a 1 gal HDPE water jug.
    (If the mixture is basic enough, it will turn a slippery black color)

    4. This mixture was allowed to sit for 1 hr. During the last 30 min, the
    jug was placed in a hot water bath. The jug was shaken periodically
    throughout the whole hour.

    5. 250 ml vm&p naphtha was added to the jug. The jug was shaken
    for ~15 min



    6. After 15 min the naphtha was separated off with this handy syringe
    contraption (hell of a lot easier than a turkey baster). It was made
    by gluing two meat injector syringes together, and then gluing some
    1/4" Polyethylene tubing to the tip.

    If you happen to suck up some basic sludge, don't worry, just empty
    the syringe into a pyrex measuring cup. The solvent can then easily
    be poured off of the tiny bit of sludge you may have sucked up






    *Apparently, using two syringes is necessary so that the naphtha does
    not come in contact with the rubber on the plunger. because
    naphtha will melt/corrode the rubber on shitty meat injector syringes.

    I suspect if one had access to lab grade materials that don't degrade
    with chemical contact, this could be avoided.


    7. 4 naphtha pulls of 200-250ml were done in total. Before the 3rd pull,
    another 100ml of basic dH2O was added to the mixture

    8. Separated naphtha was placed into pyrex baking dishes. Lights were
    used as a heat source to accelerate the evaporation of 2/3 of the
    solvent.

    *If you decide to do this, it is very important to pay attention to
    your evaporation trays, checking them constantly*



    9. The remaining 1/3 of solvent in each pan was left to evaporate for 24
    hrs. Screens were made out of some wood and some nylon
    stockings. They were very cheap to make, and are highly
    recommended if one will be going the evaporation route.






    *Optimism skyrocketed when the first pull began to crystallize while the
    naphtha was still warm*

    10. The next day the screens were removed to find many beautiful
    crystals.

    First Pull (still drying):



    Second Pull:



    Third Pull:




    Fourth Pull:




    Yields to follow...
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    Old 04-08-08, 03:55   #2 (permalink)
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    Yields

    The 1st pull yielded 1.9g of large, tannish crystals, mixed in with whiter powdery crystals:



    2nd pull yielded 1.1g of white powdery crystals:



    3rd pull yielded 1.2g of white powdery crystals:


    4th pull yielded 0.6g of white powdery crystals:




    Total Yield: 4.8g very clean spice, with no defats, and no washes.

    (1st Pull on the left, 2nd, 3rd & 4th pulls combined on right)



    Since the 4th and final pull got 0.6g, there is no doubt that there are goodies left in the mix.
    The mix has been stewing for a week now, and more pulls will be done when time permits

    Crystal porn to follow...
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    [quote=lysergic;513022]A few days ago I was walking down the street when I came across an SD memory card just sitting there on the ground. There was nobody around that it could have belonged to, so I brought it home to see if there was any sort of ID file or something. The card was full of pictures, and a text file which instructed that the foll0wing was to be posted on mycotopia (anybody lose an SD card? ):


    rorlmao it's mine if you can find were i left that room!
    some one did a very nice job on this !
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    Old 04-08-08, 04:36   #4 (permalink)
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    Crystal Porn

    Some crystal porn for your viewing pleasure

    According to the memory card, some of these shots used different colored lights, and a couple of the shots are black and white.
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    my foaf can't wait to smoke those babies.

    you still didn't post my favorite picture though....
    these crystals blow my mind. especially the perfectly shaped parallelograms (or are they rhombuses?) scattered across the bottom of the dish. hot damn.
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    Old 04-08-08, 15:11   #6 (permalink)
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    Old 04-08-08, 18:01   #7 (permalink)
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    Great write up lysergic.Love the pictures. Pretty good hall out of a pound of bark..Have you thought of trying to clean a small amount an see how it goes or just leave as is.Thanks for the write up.
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    Nice tread..!

    Your explanation on the process is very short and clear !
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    Old 04-09-08, 15:07   #9 (permalink)
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    I have a question,

    What would be a light to medium dose of those crystals??? Obviously it's going to be heaps more potent than expected.
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    Old 04-14-08, 03:15   #10 (permalink)
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    Have you thought of trying to clean a small amount an see how it goes or just leave as is.Thanks for the write up.
    It will most likely be left as is. It seems to be clean enough for all intended purposes

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    I have a question,
    What would be a light to medium dose of those crystals??? Obviously it's going to be heaps more potent than expected.
    From what I have heard, a "full dose" has not been tried yet. A small amount (less than 1/2 a "normal" dose) was scooped up using the tip of a key and smoked in a machine. This small amount provided one machine-sized hit which resulted in the characteristic body buzz high, and some light open eye acid-like melty/swirly visuals that lasted for ~10 min. From these results, it seems that this is a great deal more potent than some of the more yellow spice that SWIM has had the pleasure of trying
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    Here's another green-lit pic i found:
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    Old 04-18-08, 17:40   #12 (permalink)
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    Was able to locate the owner of the SD card. He updated me on his experiment:

    The mix was allowed to "stew" for ~3 weeks

    Another 100ml of basic dH2O was added

    2 more 150ml naphtha pulls were done


    These pulls yielded 0.4g each of light yellowish spice (this will probably be cleaned)

    The 5th & 6th pulls combined:





    So to re-cap:

    1st pull: 1.9g
    2nd pull: 1.1g
    3rd pull: 1.2g
    4th pull: 0.6g
    5th pull: 0.4g
    6th pull: 0.4g

    Total Yield: 5.6g from 445.9g MHRB (~1.26%) with no defat or re-crystallizations

    I was told that the bark will be allowed to stew for another few weeks, at which point 2 more pulls will be done. (Xylene or Toluene pulls may also be attempted).


    It seems to me that there is much more spice still left in the sludge after the initial pulls. I think there is great benefit in letting the bark remain in the solution at room temp, in order to milk it for everything it has.


    An update will be posted once the last 2 pulls have been cleaned.

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    Old 04-18-08, 21:10   #14 (permalink)
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    Awesome thread . Sheesh...what lies within the next SD card that SWIM might happen to find?
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    Old 05-23-08, 17:10   #15 (permalink)
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    Freeze precipitate

    Could you freeze precipitate with this tek? Swim was going to use Marsofolds tek for his first try, but likes this one. Also, would an ammonia wash be good to make a more clean product?
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    Old 05-29-08, 12:14   #16 (permalink)
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    Yes, a freeze precipitation will work. The evaporation was used in order to obtain larger crystals. An ammonia wash would work as well.
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    Old 05-30-08, 12:47   #17 (permalink)
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    Evaporation

    Well I did my extraction by the same process but i had no results

    I wonder if the problem was on the shaking of the jar... how did u shaked ur vessel?

    Or maybe the evaporation of the solvent... I didn't understand how u did it...

    ...I simply put the petroleum ether and shaked(shoke?) the glass with my fist, on circles, not SHAKING IT STRONGLY because I was afraid to form an emulsion that I couldn't take back with the sirynge, then i put the petroleum ether on a large dish and made it again with each jar 3 more times

    Then i put the large dish with naphtha on the fan and i waited... i waited for 15 mins and i saw no crystals, just translucent drops with no taste. I thought "shit! it's water! My dmt has gone with the naphtha, just like the sea breeze" then I tried to get it from the air with my hand, so i didn't get and the I cried because i had no more petroleum ether and put the content of the jars away

    Can anybody tell me what was wrong?

    And finally, congrats man... ur crystals are beautiful... and greetings from Brazil


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    Well I did my extraction by the same process but i had no results

    I wonder if the problem was on the shaking of the jar... how did u shaked ur vessel?

    Or maybe the evaporation of the solvent... I didn't understand how u did it...

    ...I simply put the petroleum ether and shaked(shoke?) the glass with my fist, on circles, not SHAKING IT STRONGLY because I was afraid to form an emulsion that I couldn't take back with the sirynge, then i put the petroleum ether on a large dish and made it again with each jar 3 more times

    Then i put the large dish with naphtha on the fan and i waited... i waited for 15 mins and i saw no crystals, just translucent drops with no taste. I thought "shit! it's water! My dmt has gone with the naphtha, just like the sea breeze" then I tried to get it from the air with my hand, so i didn't get and the I cried because i had no more petroleum ether and put the content of the jars away

    Can anybody tell me what was wrong?

    And finally, congrats man... ur crystals are beautiful... and greetings from Brazil


    And you got nothing at all back?!
    How much bark did you use?
    How much Lye. Any Pictures?
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    ...I simply put the petroleum ether and shaked(shoke?) the glass with my fist, on circles, not SHAKING IT STRONGLY because I was afraid to form an emulsion that I couldn't take back with the sirynge, then i put the petroleum ether on a large dish and made it again with each jar 3 more times

    Then i put the large dish with naphtha on the fan and i waited... i waited for 15 mins and i saw no crystals, just translucent drops with no taste

    First, If you are using enough lye, emulsions should not be a problem and should separate after ~10 min no matter how hard you shake it. You can also use heat to break an emulsion.

    Second, 15 min is not nearly long enough for enough solvent to evaporate to allow crystals to form. I think it took ~3 days for my foaf's solvent to fully evaporate.

    If you do not want to wait that long, you can do a freeze precipitation. There's a lot of info about it on this site. Just use the search engine


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    i lost everything...

    I used one full tablespoon of lye for each gram of grinded MHRB...

    Well, what temperature I need to do freeze precipitation? Do home freezer works for it or I need a laboratorial one?

    And what the right way to shake the jar with black liquid + solvent?

    So sad i lost a 200g MHRB extraction because of my pure ignorance...
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    correction: 1 tablespoon of lye for each 10g MHRB
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    Never done a freeze precip. before but what I read on hear is that a home freezer is ok, but it needs to be able to freeze ice cream hard. I would imagine if you set your freezer to the coldest setting you would be fine.
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    Lysergic,

    Has your friend been able to break through with the spice he has? I was wondering what would be considered a normal dose of this here spice in order to break through.

    Also, has anyone tried this tek with the freeze precipitation method? How did the final product look?

    Thanks
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    i also would ask it... how did u took the crystals off the dishes...
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    Yes, a home freezer will work. A razor blade seems to work well for scraping the dishes.

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    Lysergic,

    Has your friend been able to break through with the spice he has? I was wondering what would be considered a normal dose of this here spice in order to break through.

    Also, has anyone tried this tek with the freeze precipitation method? How did the final product look?

    Thanks
    I don't think this tek has been tried with a freeze precipitation. I would imagine that it would result in a somewhat whiter product (but no cool looking crystal formations).

    My foaf, and many other foafs have had many breakthroughs with spice that was acquired like this. I'm not sure what the weight of normal breakthrough dose would be because my foaf is very experienced with eyeballing doses of it. Recently, however, 50mg was weighed as a reference, and I can say with great certainty that it takes much less (probably ~1/2 as much) than 50 mg to break through with spice like this. Neither my foaf or any of his foafs have ever smoked a dose that came close to 50 mg of it (that is if this scale was correct).

    My foaf usually loads a medium sized "bump," or a pile a little bit larger than the eraser on a pencil into his machine with astounding results...
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    First of ...great tek. I'm wondering, can you mix the bark with the distilled water...THEN blend? It might do a better job, and what do you think about blending it with the lye mixed in too? Also where did you order the bark from? I've heard of folks who ordered weak stuff, I'd like to have the best chance possible with the best bark. Thanks!
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    Will the naphtha still absorbed the spice if it is not hot?
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    Will the naphtha still absorbed the spice if it is not hot?
    Yes...heating it just increases its carrying capacity so to speak.
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    Post nice.. but...

    Where can i find MHBR
    any website ?
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