Natural Spice

[Phlux-]

This is just swims experience for this tek - i can take no credit for any of this, its just a pictoral based on an allready existing tek by 69Ron on the nexus.
Here is what swim did - btw swim is still on pull 5 - pull 4 yeilded about 220mg of acetate so lots more in there still.
Swim started with 100g MHRB

Chopped it up with scissors

ground it up

added 100g calcium hydroxide - perhaps overkill but im sure its fine

added just enough water to moist it but not make it watery then let it sit for about 10 mins
added about 300ml d-limonene and put it all in a big consol jar - shook it up like mad and let it sit a few times
then filtered it by squeezing it thru a piece of cotton cloth

swim noticed that there was some water in the first squeeze - it was separated from the dlimonene and put aside - swim thinks this tek works better when drier.
about 25ml of vinegar was then added to the d-limonene and shaken like crazy
the vinegar and d-limonene were separated and this process was repeated 2 times - all the vinegar added together and evaporated to yeild a mixed mimosa alkaloid acetate goo

the d-limonene was then put back on the bark and lime mix and pull 2 done while swim continued to convert the acetates to freebase form - to do this swim mixed the goo with 2 parts sodium carbonate and enough water to make it moist

this was then dried to a powder, ground and 3 d-limonene pulls were done on it

the d-limonene was evaporated to yeild

freebase lemon spice - the taste is not bad and the fx are very different to normal spice - its smoother and not as shocking and feels more complete - you can feel the jungle alot. to dose swim decided weighing it was just going to be messy and a good eyeballing was needed so swim put some on a pin and tried 1 drop from a pin - very active - very nice.
swim thinks there is still d-limonene in the spice and wants it to evap for longer before he tries smoking any more - swim is also hoping that it will xtalize somewhat over time.
The total yeild will be calculated after the bark has finished yielding - but second pull was just as big if not bigger than pull 1 and pull 1 was quite reasonable anyway - swim thinks this tek will yeild well over 1.2%
second pull was added to the first then d-limonene was used to see if any kind of separation occured between jungle and spice third pull is in the same picture - see the swims citrus spice color swatches thread at the nexus.
pull 4 has been added and all mixed up - pull 5 is on its way and the vinegar came off the d-limonene yellow orange so it looks like it still has a lot in there.
after pull 3 swim changed to using this

It is far easier and superior mixing it by hand. The bark and lime is packed in there so hard one would imagine no d-limonene could penetrate it but it pours through in minutes.
sorry for excessive pics

[5-hydroxytryptamine]

wow!! super-rad!!!

what's this about a division between jungle and spice??

and am i seeing a spice extraction using non pbp solvent products?

What would be a standard dose?

this whole spice thing is news to me, im just trying to wrap my head around it.

thanks for posting!! I was wondering on this matter earlier.....

[5-hydroxytryptamine]

...because i have to meet these 'self transforming machine elves'!!!

[Phlux-]

dosage seems to be the same as with spice - the experience is way different somehow - fuller and more wholesome, frendlier and more relaxed, slower and more peacefull.
30mg seems like more than enough.

[5-hydroxytryptamine]

wow. sweet. 30 mg? so a g would be roughly 30 doses?
also, did it solidify in the end? thanks ten millyons!!

[whatchamacallit]

SWIM would say a g is about 20 breakthrough doses, roughly.

[5-hydroxytryptamine]

word, thanks.

[Phlux-]

i dig ur avatar 5-htp

[Shadowlord]

Thanks for posting this tek Phlux!
SWIM is getting a fresh pile of bark and was thinking about trying a limonene extract as I had only recently heard of it and there should be enough bark to do some experimenting.
Nice Timing.

[5-hydroxytryptamine]

word, thanks phlux!!

is there a way to visually estimate the quality of mhrb when purchasing?

also, is the final thingy an oil or resin-like material? how then should it be ideally 'handled'??

[reut]

Originally Posted by Phlux-

30mg seems like more than enough.

How did you weigh it?

Thanks for the pictorial.
Include a final yield when you've finished pulling

[Phlux-]

if one wants xtals this is not the tek to go with - a naptha wash on the goo could be done and then freeze precip done to get nice xtals but the point of this tek is to stay natural and to get a total full spectrum extract - the experience is very different to normal spice.
swim is working on another tek atm that may work out better - its in progress so results will be posted soon.
to weigh it - a piece of wax paper was placed on the scale and calabrated to 0 then spice was dripped on bit by bit until the desired amount was reached then scraped off easily with a blade.
for storage swim has a bottle - will post pix soon.

[reut]

Originally Posted by Phlux-

to weigh it - a piece of wax paper was placed on the scale and calabrated to 0 then spice was dripped on bit by bit until the desired amount was reached then scraped off easily with a blade.
for storage swim has a bottle - will post pix soon.

Nice, looking forward to a final yield report too.

Originally Posted by Phlux-

if one wants xtals this is not the tek to go with - a naptha wash on the goo could be done and then freeze precip done to get nice xtals but the point of this tek is to stay natural and to get a total full spectrum extract - the experience is very different to normal spice.
swim is working on another tek atm that may work out better - its in progress so results will be posted soon.

Don't forget that limonene is hydrogen and carbon too.
Using xylene to get full spectrum gives an experience different to normal spice too.
Xylene is just as natural as limonene.

Is the solubility of DMT higher in limonene than heptane/naphtha/xylene?
That's the only reason my friend would choose to use limonene over other chemicals.

[5-hydroxytryptamine]

[QUOTE=Phlux-;710643]but the point of this tek is to stay natural and to get a total full spectrum extract - the experience is very different to normal spice.


THis is just what i was pondering the other day. I want to experience dmt but am very wary/paranoid of chemical extractions, (nor do i need an 18 hr aya thingy)

One thing more about spice in general, but natural spice specifically... does it live up to the hype???

I mean, really, other dimensions and mantid-eyed self transforming machine elves????
because if so.....wow!

[Shadowlord]

There is nothing that compares to DMT.
And this isn't in a quantifying way either. It is just a completely different animal.
I've done a lot of different substances. LSD, Mesc, Shrooms, and none of them really compare to DMT in feel or experience. I've never seen CEV's so vividly and so completely and once you breakthrough there is no feeling of your body at all. I've still only done DMT a few times and there is a lot more for me to learn but DMT is for real 5HT!

I am very interested in finding out how this full spectrum extract is compared to refined DMT. Yellow spice seems harsher/harder on me than whiter, but as mentioned, I haven't had all that much exp yet. I can still count my DMT experiences on two hands

There is no real way to explain it though. You'll just have to give it a whirl 5HT. Lots of info here to get you started though.

[reut]

Originally Posted by 5-hydroxytryptamine

THis is just what i was pondering the other day. I want to experience dmt but am very wary/paranoid of chemical extractions, (nor do i need an 18 hr aya thingy)

If you are paranoid about chemical extractions then this (and other) teks are not for you.
This tek uses a few chemicals including limonene.

Originally Posted by 5-hydroxytryptamine

One thing more about spice in general, but natural spice specifically... does it live up to the hype???

I mean, really, other dimensions and mantid-eyed self transforming machine elves????

Nope. It was all made up. All of it.

:P

[5-hydroxytryptamine]

hmmm Thanks!

I thought limonene was lemon-based and the other ones in this tek are more natural sounding than xylene and such...

I simply want to avoid volatile sovents, It seems that was the point of this thread's creation..

I have long pondered the holy grail, and now that it is within reach (thanks to all you genius psychonauts) My pet tortoise wants to make best/safest go of it when he is ready to try his hand at chemistry!!!

[5-hydroxytryptamine]

When you say xylene is as natural as limonene what do you mean??

Could I be quickly schooled in molecular chemistry??

I dont mean to be ignorant, im just wondering..

thanks

[Saint Stephen]

About the solvents, xylene and limonene are very similar. If one was to use xylene, they're most likely working with hardware store "xylol", which is a mixture of the ortho, meta, and para isomers. All that this means is that the two methyl groups are in one of three possible positions. The positions slightly alter the properties of each, but not significantly. If it's being used for DMT extractions, the positions don't matter much.

Limonene most closely resembles para-xylene structurally, but it is different in a sense that limonene is not aromatic. I've never used the techniques involving limonene, so I can't really say if one is better than another. I seem to remember reading something about limonene being used because it's relatively safe, but don't quote me on that.

Recently, I've been thinking about possible mixtures of non-polar solvents used in different ratios to extract. It seems to make sense that there would be a certain combination which would be most efficient. I think that a good starting point would be with some kind of hydrocarbon chain mixed with an aromatic hydrocarbon. Maybe hexane and xylene? Naptha and xylol?

I'll report my findings if any combinations pull better than the others.

If your turtle hasn't done this before, SWIM would suggest going with a "STB Tek". It's not the cleanest, but it'll give some very active and very usable product.

[5-hydroxytryptamine]

thanks saint stephen

What do we mean when we say "clean" exactly? does that mean a) solvents leaving unwanted traces of themselves, or b) just particulate from the plant matter?? or both?? does b) mean greater 'toxicity'/ difficulty metabolising? hence more possible nausea (that a refined molecule would not cause??)
or a) possible mutagens associated with impure solvent?

I hope my question made sense, and you dont mind replying because i'm a curious rabbit.

and the turtle just likes to be a walking encyclopedia..that crazy guy!!!

[Shadowlord]

Regardless of Solvent, you want to make sure that your end product has been completely dried so as to make sure it has all evaporated off.
Some people like Limonene because they feel it is a less toxic solvent to evaporate. There may be other reasons but DMT extracted w/ Naptha or xylene or toluene or what have you is still DMT as long as there isn't any unevaporated solvent still in the product.
Now different solvents pull more of the other plant alkaloids out in the bark other than just the DMT.
They aren't toxic, they just give a different feel to the trip and some like those other plant alks and others prefer really pure DMT and some like them both.
Hope this helps.

[5-hydroxytryptamine]

ok,thanks shadow!

[Phlux-]

okay perhaps natural is not the best word
xylene stinks and is a petrochem - badly - they call it an aromatic solvent (it smells nothing like aromat btw) but its smell is like turps 20x
dlimonene is like orange oil - an orange contains 6% dlimonene by weight, when friends walk into swims place they almost always say - hrmm, what smells so nice. It really smells delicious.

so if one were to say - take a sip of dlimonene it would be fine - no ill fx yet if one were to say take a sip of xylene it would be a different story

calcium hydroxide is used as the base and is edible - compared to lye which can burn you badly and blind u.

vinegar is used as the acid - no expanation neccicary
sodium carbonate(baked bicarb) is used as the freebasing base - swim senses no danger there.

these are the reasons swim chose this tek - the extract is very potent yet peacefull and very enjoyable - swim enjoys it far more than anything xylene has brought him.

with this spice its not like a feeling of spice + jungle, the jungle edits the spice experience alot (by jungle im referring to anything that is not spice in my extraction)

anyone know if that kokasaguine or whatever is extracted when dlimo is used ?

oh and btw the other tek swim is testing is working better than any tek before - will be posted soon.

[reut]

Originally Posted by Phlux-

so if one were to say - take a sip of dlimonene it would be fine - no ill fx

That isn't true at all.
Unless you class vomiting, nausea, stomach pain, gastrointestinal irritation and sore throat as "no ill fx".

So from what I gather you prefer this tek because limonene smells nicer, which is a perfectly legitimate reason, I see nothing wrong with that.

Originally Posted by Phlux-

oh and btw the other tek swim is testing is working better than any tek before - will be posted soon.

Looking forward to it

[5-hydroxytryptamine]

thanks, thats what i was wondering, the petrochemical thing. thanks for the education!

[wendal]

I guess compared to sipping xylene, there would no comparable effects

j/k

don't drink either.

Originally Posted by reut

That isn't true at all.
Unless you class vomiting, nausea, stomach pain, gastrointestinal irritation and sore throat as "no ill fx".

So from what I gather you prefer this tek because limonene smells nicer, which is a perfectly legitimate reason, I see nothing wrong with that.


Looking forward to it

[spacecake]

Nice pictorial Phlux !

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[whatchamacallit]

Did the goo ever dry out or crystallize at all? SWIM wonders if there isn't just a bunch of orange oil in the goo.

[cap]

Originally Posted by whatchamacallit

Did the goo ever dry out or crystallize at all? SWIM wonders if there isn't just a bunch of orange oil in the goo.

oh theres definitely orange oil in the goo. how much is unknown, however,,,

Safety

Limonene and its oxidation products are skin and respiratory irritants, and limonene-1,2-oxide (formed by aerial oxidation) is a known skin sensitizer. Most reported cases of irritation have involved long-term industrial exposure to the pure compound, e.g. during degreasing or the preparation of paints. However a study of patients presenting dermatitis showed that 3% were sensitized to limonene.[8]

Although once thought to cause renal cancer in rats, limonene now is considered by some researchers to be a significant chemopreventive agent[9] with potential value as a dietary anti-cancer tool in humans.[10] There is no evidence for carcinogenicity or genotoxicity in humans. The IARC classifies D-limonene under Class 3: not classifiable as to its carcinogenicity to humans.[8]

No information is available on the health effects of inhalation exposure to d-limonene in humans, and no long-term inhalation studies have been conducted in laboratory animals.

D-limonene is biodegradable, but due to its low flash point, it must be treated as hazardous waste for disposal

I THINK HE'S ONTO SOMETHING

[Phlux-]

swim decided he wasnt happy with the goo - combined it with some other goo - converted to fumarate then back to freebase and the final product it much purer - nice little xtals. pix to be posted when its completely dry