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05-05-09, 13:56
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| Universal Mod  Join Date: May 1972
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 | Pan "sandoze" Growlog
...So I decided to grow some Pan Sandoze again... I had one print left 6-8 month old. So I decided to make one casing tray,so I can have some fresh prints again. Got some shrooms of this grow,and decided to take new prints,and use them right away,when they are still fresh. The prints were a little light tho,because it wasn't such a big grow. I wanted to see how fast fresh spores grow compared to the old print I had... So when I made some new brf jars for spawn,I used a little more solution per jar(4ml),because there weren't much spores on the print. The jars collonized in 13 days.. the old(print) ones took aboud 24. I'm now at day 15 from the time I made the brf jars, and the casing trays are cased and will probably go into the terrarium next day or so... The substrate of tray one is a little thinner then tray two as an experiment. So far I'm very happy with the results,and I made some pictures of how everything looks so far... This growlog will be update every few days or so !  Here some pics...  
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05-05-09, 14:29
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Thanks...! B.t.w the substrate is made of 50 % poo and 50 % vermiculiet,spawned to one jar per tray. Spawn to substrate ratio +- 1:2 Casing layer is made of 50% peat/coir/compost and 50 % vermiculiet Incubation temps are 26 oC / 79 F
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05-11-09, 13:24
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You got our attention Space! 
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05-11-09, 15:22
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Yep,substrate depth is 2,5 cm and 3 cm with the top casing layer. I've got some heavy overlay,so as a little experiment,I gave one tray an extra casing layer,will see how that works out. I have got only one more picture,because things slowed down here, because of a cold weather front. I couldn't get the terrarium above 24oC. But today the temperature rised again,and the temp. inside the terrarium is an average of 28oC !
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05-11-09, 15:33
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Next time however,I will put the casing trays directly in the terrarium,right after I add the top casing layer. Just to see,if that will do something with the pinset and/or overlay. ...btw. here's a picture from today... I think I see some primordia on the right tray.. You can clearly see the overlay on that one,..the left one has a second casing layer,but it did look the same as the right tray,before I added the second layer. 
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05-15-09, 14:31
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Well not much happening... It looks like the overlayed trays,aren't doing well. The tray with one top casing layer,has only a few very tiny shrooms. I dunked it,but it doesn't hold up water very well,and so far nothing yet. The tray with the later added second top casing layer,has two bigger and fatter shrooms growing. it's looks like they grow under the top layer and have there roots in the first added casing layer. This tray does perform pretty bad aswell. The two other trays are looking much better,and I make sure I give the casing layers a good spray a couple of times a day,so it's nice and wet. I think they will show primordia on Sunday...,this is also the day I will probably stop spraying. I have more hope for the last two trays,..but who knows..,maybe the first two (with the overlay) will give some more shrooms on the second flush,but I have my doubts. 
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05-15-09, 14:46
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Thanks for the update. Keeping my fingers crossed for shrooms! ;-) I'm also waiting for pans (cambodgiensis) to break through, but it's going veeery slow. Anyway, I'm keeping a few BRF jars in the fridge for insurance, in case of failure on first try (which I think there is some likelihood of). BTW, are those the plastic trays you get meat in from the supermarket? I'm using some of those, which can be pc'ed, and they look very similar.
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05-15-09, 16:09
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Right..,they are from the supermarket...,these trays were filled with ready to go meals like cooked rice with meat or fish. Easy to clean and just the right size for my Terrarium.
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05-15-09, 16:45
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| That's what I do. I even put casings and cakes in the same terrarium. I add a pretty light (no more than a half inch) casing layer of 50/50 coir and verm once the spawn has run... just enough to cover the the substrate... and then put it directly in the terrarium... I've NEVER had a problem with overlay using this method.... but then again, it may be different for Pans, which I've eaten, but never grown.
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05-15-09, 17:01
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So far it looks like it works,..but it's not easy because Pans do grow fast. Btw my casing layer holds some nutes,but I like it that way,..seems to give it a litlle more pins.
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05-15-09, 17:23
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I like the smaller trays too. Do you use nutes in the casing layer for cubes? Since these grow so quick, contamination prolly isnt a big issue i bet. I can't wait to see your pin porn  I like your bubbler setup too, its extremely similar to what I use... I might have to try using those tupperware type resevoirs... those are tight!!! Do you run it on a timer? Very nice log!! |
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05-15-09, 18:23
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Thanks..! I use the same casing material with my cubies... verm peat/compost/coir and some other stuff,premade from the garden center. Sometimes I use cactus soil to,but this work fine. But I have to say,I lower the amount of nutes in the cubie casings. The bubbler isn't on a timer...it works 24 hours a day. Easy setup..and it works great.
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05-15-09, 19:09
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I do mine a bit differently though... I have my reservoirs outside of the terrariums. Exact same concept and same equipment. | |
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05-21-09, 10:32
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Experiment failed... I got only 1 gram dry ,from the two trays,before it contaminated... Looks like this strain doesn't like overlay ! The other two trays (see picture) are doing better,but the shrooms are small and few. I will give it a dunk after I harvest the first flush. I made new spawn jars ,and will do this experiment again,but will only post results,when there is some improvement compared to this one.   
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05-21-09, 10:50
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Yearh, very nice pics indeed. The mushroom shadows are pure art! All these mushrooms only weigh about 1 gram dried? That's amazing. I'd have thought there would be at least a few grams.. Definitely some small and light creatures. Well, hope you have better luck with the next run!!
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05-21-09, 12:42
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No,sorry...the mushrooms from the failed trays (only pictured in the first few pics) with the overlay ,gave me only one gram of shrooms... The trays on the last picture has to be harvested yet,and I think that flush will give me aboud 5 grams dry.
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05-21-09, 13:42
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Nice growlog Space! I love this photo, very artistic!  http://forums.mycotopia.net/attachme...-shade-int.jpg
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05-21-09, 13:53
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hey space can you explain more about your 2 casing layers on that particular tray? at which point is each casing layer applied? and why do you use 2 casing layers instead of just 1?
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05-21-09, 14:21
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That was just an experiment. Two trays got overlayed,so I decided to ad another casing layer to one of the overlayed trays..,just as an experiment.... Both trays didn't do well. Sorry it is a little confusing,with my typing style... 
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05-21-09, 15:22
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no problem space - it wasn't your typing, it was just a method i'd never heard of before! so you attempted to alleviate the overlay by application of a second casing layer, and found this to not be helpful. you also found that the overlaid tray with one casing layer didn't perform well. is there anything else you can try to fix the overlay? does scraping the overlaid surfaces help induce pinning, like it can for cubes? or, are you kinda screwed once you get the overlay, i.e. there's no way to fix it?
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05-21-09, 15:57
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But maybe I should give it a try sometime..never tried scraping neither with cubies.
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05-22-09, 10:35
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Great info and pics as usual Space! I use the pancake mix in bags. Because the pans are less resistant to contams than the cubes I dont spawn them to anything. Just colonize, open bags and put in trays like yours. Skipping the spawning to bulk step seems to work well for me. I am not talking shit, but I think the average joe like me can get just as much crumbling the cakes and casing them than we can spawning them to bulk. The race against the contams with pans is crucial ime. If you do any further experimenting, I would love to see a bag of pancake mix crumbled and cased with cactus soil vs. cake to bulk.
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05-22-09, 12:56
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Hmmm maybe I will do that next time... I saved this tread to my 'favorites' in windows...so I won't forget... Shall I use multispore or clones ? I don't have candidates for clones at this time...
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05-22-09, 21:34
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I'm already working on it Rocketman..! I'm using jars instead of bags,but that should not be any different. The jars are in the pc as we speak. I'm thinking of giving them a nice dunk before they go in the trays right after 100% colonization..,what do you think about that ?
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05-23-09, 09:51
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Beautiful grow and pics. I also use that type of tray, except mine are white and a bit deeper. I double them up one on top the other with a piece of tape down the long side for a self contained, hinged, mini dub tub type thing. The sandoze is a very light colored pan. Almost white when mature. What do the pins look like? Any olive, or orange caps at pinning? nicely done space! |
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05-23-09, 16:12
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The pins are sometimes brown and sometimes orange... This time they didn't have such a color,but started out with a white looking cap.
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05-25-09, 16:14
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Very nice. I am curius as to where the name Pan Sandoze came from. Only since this is a tropical and subtropical species, I was curious as Sandoz is in Switzerland and had nothing to do with growing Copelandia species. Roger Heim did grow come Copes in his lab in Paris in the late 1950s. Mjshroomer |
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05-25-09, 17:46
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I was under the impression that a member here (sandoz) found this wild in florida. I remember seeing several of his posts, but am not sure what the exact details were of his process/isolation. I think Workman was supplied with a sample or print and made the ID . Not positive on that, or if either isolated or attempted to stabilize a productive version. Maybe someone who knows for sure will chime in. |
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06-28-09, 12:40
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I don't know if it's coincidence...,but the "substrate" jars did flush better then the "spawn" jars. The two trays in the first pictures are from the "substrate" jars The two trays from the second picture is from the "spawn" jars. I would very much like to know,if anyone has ever done the same experiment with pans ? I have the feeling that the "substrate" jars did better ,because maybe the mycelium was more colonized. But this is just a guess.   Btw I didn't dunk as I sayed I would....,just forgot aboud it.
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06-28-09, 13:08
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nice!!! I've done "substrate" jars with cubes (poo/verm/brf) before with great results. Haven't done any pans myself, but my results with cubes were to much the same effect. even though you called it a failure before, seems you succeeded both times to me!  what was your dry weight for each type of tray this time?
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06-28-09, 16:15
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I haven't harvest yet,because the caps are still brown and they still gain growth. Will harvest tommorow. But I picket up 7 (wet)grams ,couldn't help myself.... 
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