Non Cased: Compressed vs Loose subs - Page 2

mydarling · 05-22-09, 15:48

[eats sorry to jack your thread again but i want to respond to the question!

please feel free to break this discussion off into a new thread if you like.]

hi pvacant,

first, i am a she and not a he.

second, i think the trich you got was most likely unrelated to the bag. i don't see any reason a plastic bag would increase the chances for trich. the purpose of the plastic bag is so that water that rolls down the sides of the tub will collecter UNDER the bag - which is away from the substrate. the water thus collects between the bottom of the plastic bag and the bottom of the tub.

this is why there are holes in the tub, and not the bag: if you had holes in the bag, the water would seep through it and back into the bottom of the substrate, which is where you dont want it. but if they're in the TUB itself, the water does not contact the substrate because the bag is acting as a barrier between the pooled water and the substrate - and you can drain the water out of the tub through the holes you made in the bottom.
does that help?

here are some pics to help clarify:

bottom of tub with 3 holes drilled in a corner for drainage

the holes are taped up for the duration of the tub's incubation, fruiting, and dunking, EXCEPT to drain excess pooled water:

plastic bag is placed into the bottom of the tub (sides taped up temporarily to facilitate dumping in the substrate)

after substrate/spawn is added, the sides of the bag are curled down over the top. thus, if water drips down the sides, it will be not able to contact the substrate - it will roll directly to the bottom of the tub, where it can be drained.

lastly, diagram of how the drainage works:

eatyualive · 05-22-09, 19:29

omg md, your so mean. jk... nice illustration actually.

eatyualive · 05-22-09, 23:21

tub 1 compressed tub

Attachment 129418

tub 2 loose tub

Attachment 129419

looks like the compressed tub is having a really good 2nd flush.

below is another loose tas tub and a sa clone tub super rhizo.

Getitosis · 05-23-09, 03:06

the loose sub is looking more plentiful imo.

good job eatyualive!

eatyualive · 05-23-09, 08:20

no time for conclusion. the weight results will have to be tested on the next trial run.

from a visual standpoint. the yield is very similar. looks to be about two of the smaller 44 quart tubs equals the one 64 quart tub by a visual estimation.

tub 1 compressed tub

tub 2 loose tub

here is the 64 quart tub results

there is another trial tub running of a loose sub coming in 64 quart as well. looking nice fluffy and white. strands sticking all over the place. will post soon.

so from a visual standpoint the fruits were meatier on the compressed subs. while the loose subs were a bit slimmer. the harvest pictures do nothing justice as the piles hide everything. when more time is available. the next trial runs will be posted. probably another strain. but still compared.

pvacant · 05-23-09, 11:57

thanks mydarling,
that helps ALOT. great pictures. it makes much more since now. i had sworn of using bags from that fiasco. but, with this info, i'll go at it again, thankyou
and...sorry for the gender mess up, won't happen again.

still not sure about compressed vs loose. looking forward to the next trial run. have a great memorial day.

eatyualive · 05-25-09, 17:21

sadly off all 3 subs total yield was just over 8z. 4 in the big tub 2 in the smaller tubs. would most likely been double that had the harvest not been premature. 2nd flush will be tested. along with some other strains in the near future. timing was just off.

feralronin · 05-25-09, 17:34

Cool eats. I have been watching this one to see what happens.

eatyualive · 05-25-09, 18:28

the loose tubs absorbed far more water than the compressed tub did. in the morning. the loose tub substrate was sitting above the water and very little water dumped out the compressed tub, most of the water dumped out after the dunk.

extrememetal43 · 05-25-09, 21:16

looks like the first flushes were neck n neck but that may have a big impact on the second flush...

eatyualive · 05-29-09, 09:00

2nd Flush

tub 1 compressed tub

tub 2 loose tub

looks like the compressed tub is having a really good 2nd flush.

below is another loose tas tub and a sa clone tub super rhizo.

weeeeeee · 05-29-09, 09:33

hell yes love this thread

toadstooll · 05-29-09, 09:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by eatyualive

interesting. two weeks long. what strain?

Was either HillyBilly Or Z, do not really remember.

tenjin · 05-29-09, 09:49

Ya I love this thread too- props to you Eats

So is there a final conclusion to compressed vs loose?
I know you said your timing was off and will have to do more tests,
but ya the yield look very similar.

Shroomette · 05-29-09, 10:53

Awesome thread eats! I love that I can read a thread that covers sterilization, and pasturization, Condensation, and etc.. all in one. Great info everyone that contributed to this thread.

Hippie3 · 05-29-09, 11:08

interesting so far.
a few more samples on each 'side'
might have helped make any trend
more apparent.

eatyualive · 05-29-09, 16:30

there are going to be several more test runs with other strains using the same exact methods and chambers. the final conclusion is a long ways away. this is going to be one of those side experiment test runs every week or so. it might be a month or two away from final conclusion at this point. right now, conclusion is its random. lets see how it plays out with some fresher clone material, as well as multispore and some other comparisons.

on a side note. check out these monster tas to distract you from the long road ahead.

hyphaenation · 05-29-09, 17:53

Fun times Eats ...

Thanks for the ride !

roc · 05-29-09, 18:41

I am eager to see some sort of conclusion...

I recently did some "compressed" cakes in alternative containers and ended up with a total failure! My problem was more related to air exchange while in the "experimental" containers. They have all produced outdoors so all was not lost.

I will watch this one and see what I can learn... nice one eats!

eatyualive · 05-30-09, 11:02

well this portion of the experiment got screwed up. there was a few day gap between harvest and dunk. some of the primordia started forming before the dunk for the 2nd flush and when the tub was dunked. there were some rather large pins that went under.

this ended up causing quite a bit of wetspot bacteria. you can see in the compressed tub that it hit harder in that tub. the loose tub looks great. just a day ago the compressed tub looked like it was going to explode. now it looks horrible.

one thing i did notice. is that the loose sub was a bit behind the compressed tub in the previous flush. after the dunk the loose tub has taken the lead on timing with maturity. quite a big lead id say. both were dunked in a similar fashion.

2nd flush maturing

tub 1 compressed tub

non-cased-compressed-vs-loose-subs-compress2ndmature.jpg

tub 2 loose tub

pvacant · 05-30-09, 13:01

i don't know, but i think the COMPRESSED tub looks the best.... man i can't wait to see the future experiments. but i have since you started this thread, packing my subs looser to see what happens (i have always done them tight). we'll see. keep us posted......thanx

eatyualive · 05-30-09, 20:13

2nd Flush maturing

tub 1 compressed tub

non-cased-compressed-vs-loose-subs-compressedmature2nd3.jpg

tub 2 loose tub

the wetspot on the caps will be tossed. but a dry yield will still be determined despite the wetspot for comparison purposes.

eatyualive · 05-31-09, 21:34

observation:

well at first when i glanced. it appeared the compressed sub 2nd flush wasn't as big as the loose. but now. wow im blown away after harvest. quite a bit of difference. the loose tub filled the entire dehydrator. and this compressed sub harvest pile is nearly twice the size of that harvest 2nd flush.

kinda sux the 1st flush can't be recorded. but this stack for the compressed sub is much higher. fruits on average were all hitting the lids in both tubs. but even the pins and smaller fruits in the compressed tub were more dense.

the harvest felt a bit easier as well. and the substrate is solid and dense and looks good or ready for a new flush. the compressed tub is now being dunked. the loose tub is about half a day ahead of the compressed on the dunk. but both will be dunked same number of hours for the experiment.

all in all the fruits seem the same density and size in the 2nd flush. in the first flush the fruits in the loose tub were a bit smaller. but i felt that tub first flush would have been a bigger yield given a timed harvest.

there are some picturs of the fruit size for scale reference so you can get an idea of how big the fruits are. the top blue lid on that tub is the tub being used. 44 quart iris tub. and you can't beat that blue color for the lid. bc blue is the coolest color on earth and in the universe. no arguing about that lol...one may say green its a hard argument there.

also, the compressed tub was ahead first flush to maturity by a few hours. once the dunk happened after first flush. the loose tub pulled ahead a few hours of the compressed tub. its like they reversed roles 2nd flush. may be random. going to have to do more test runs.

Harvest Both Tubs

tub 1 compressed tub

non-cased-compressed-vs-loose-subs-compressed2ndcomplete.jpg

non-cased-compressed-vs-loose-subs-compressed2ndharv1.jpg

non-cased-compressed-vs-loose-subs-compressed2ndharv2.jpg

tub 2 loose tub

non-cased-compressed-vs-loose-subs-loose2ndcomplete.jpg

yield results to be determined soon.

hyphaenation · 05-31-09, 21:45

Awesome information Eats. I was on the edge of my seat. To be honest I was a bit scared at first because I thought if the compressed tub failed to work out badly then that would shoot down Puck Tek (even though i've had good results with pressing subs).

Turns out compression is at very least not harmful and quite likely beneficial. It was in the pucks and now with your bins.

I look forward to future tests and hearing what others think about the subject. Also i'm keen to see the third flush for each after a good dunk. This is key , because its part of my theory that more flushes are possible with compression. Wonder if a contam resistant nute soak after each flush is possible...

stimpy · 06-01-09, 02:58

I love you eats we should get married

pvacant · 06-01-09, 10:39

Ohhhhh, i'm getting excited.

can't wait for the yeild results. but still i'm thinking the compressed.

stimpy · 06-01-09, 15:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by hyphaenation

Turns out compression is at very least not harmful and quite likely beneficial. It was in the pucks and now with your bins.

Seein hows the compressed sub retains more water in a dunk it should be a great benefit on yield and fruit size. I was thinkin the compressed wouldnt have a great pinset but if some fluffy casing is thrown on it should be supreme.

extrememetal43 · 06-01-09, 16:11

not to blow your mind or nuthin but what if you compressed them halfway?

eatyualive · 06-01-09, 22:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by stimpy

Seein hows the compressed sub retains more water in a dunk it should be a great benefit on yield and fruit size. I was thinkin the compressed wouldnt have a great pinset but if some fluffy casing is thrown on it should be supreme.

actually i think the loose tub at least absorbs more water after the dunk. seems like they both shrank about the same size once harvest was complete. then when dunked, the loose subs absorbs more and grows a little bit.

but i did notice the compressed tub is not as damaged on the surface after harvest.

eatyualive · 06-02-09, 09:29

Dry yield 2nd Flush

tub 1 compressed tub = 108

tub 2 loose tub = 96

12 gram difference. more experiments will be done using other strains and larger tubs with side by side comparisons of each.

below is a tas 64 quart 2nd flush from previous posts. very dense flush. double both these tub yields easily.

hyphaenation · 06-02-09, 15:34

Hopefully others will experiment with pressing different substrates. Straw is normally something that you'd compress anyways because of air pockets , but its my understanding that this is "straw-net" ? Am I right on that ? Cause is'nt that stuff compressed already to begin with and then you soak it ?

Anyhow it will be cool to see other materials and mixes like manures etc and how they react to being loose versus compressed.

eatyualive · 06-02-09, 22:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by hyphaenation

Hopefully others will experiment with pressing different substrates. Straw is normally something that you'd compress anyways because of air pockets , but its my understanding that this is "straw-net" ? Am I right on that ? Cause is'nt that stuff compressed already to begin with and then you soak it ?

Anyhow it will be cool to see other materials and mixes like manures etc and how they react to being loose versus compressed.

yes strawnet. has a very small particle size compresses well.

hyphaenation · 06-03-09, 18:40

Third period coming up ...

toadshroom · 06-05-09, 13:05

just thought of this eatyualive...on foaf's 1st grow, he colonized some 1/2 pint pftek jars...one of the jars stalled out so he did some experimenting with that one. He transfered some of the colonized jar into an LC (big mistake, got contams from 3 of the 4 jars he tried. But then, he had nearly 1/2 of the cake left (a little more) and nothing to do with it. So...he threw it in this trashbag containing cpoo that's sitting on his balcony, mixed the cake into a spot of it (it's VERY dense) and voila a few weeks later there were 3 little FAT boomers coming out. There's 4 more right now close to ready to pick. In comparison to his bulk tubs, the ones grown outdoors in the trash bag are much much meatier, albeit smaller, but thick. Reminded me of the difference between an indica and a sativa. His bulk tub was pretty loose, like a sponge. What I found most incredible is that he grew these outside in central il, making me think that it is very possible to grow cubes outdoors in his climate.

eatyualive · 06-05-09, 13:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by toadshroom

just thought of this eatyualive...on foaf's 1st grow, he colonized some 1/2 pint pftek jars...one of the jars stalled out so he did some experimenting with that one. He transfered some of the colonized jar into an LC (big mistake, got contams from 3 of the 4 jars he tried. But then, he had nearly 1/2 of the cake left (a little more) and nothing to do with it. So...he threw it in this trashbag containing cpoo that's sitting on his balcony, mixed the cake into a spot of it (it's VERY dense) and voila a few weeks later there were 3 little FAT boomers coming out. There's 4 more right now close to ready to pick. In comparison to his bulk tubs, the ones grown outdoors in the trash bag are much much meatier, albeit smaller, but thick. Reminded me of the difference between an indica and a sativa. His bulk tub was pretty loose, like a sponge. What I found most incredible is that he grew these outside in central il, making me think that it is very possible to grow cubes outdoors in his climate.

next time throw some grass seed in there. lookup myc's thread. that way it will give you more of a humid environment. i think grass and plants tend to collect water well. maybe in certain times of the year. rainy season. sure. but too cold and you will have trouble. and you might just need to mist more if its too hot.

toadshroom · 06-05-09, 16:43

plenty of grass seedlings popping up in there already, but could use more i'm sure. I'll have to read the tek. ideally, i would like to find a spot out in the woods near a creek (tons of those around here) as it stays a little cooler in those areas during the intense heat of the summer....also would digging a whole deeper than the freezing level of the soil, filled with lots of spawn and substrate be more hearty during the winter? I was thinking maybe the lowest level of the spawn wouldn't freeze and that as spring comes, it might recolonize the upper portions?

hyphaenation · 06-06-09, 00:42

Any signs of pins ?

eatyualive · 06-06-09, 09:12

no both tubs are fuzzy white but slow to pin. looking good but just slow. im sure maybe later today their might be some signs lol...

eatyualive · 06-10-09, 12:54

3rd flush

well the compressed tub got a contam spot. but this sub is going to be dumped after this flush anyway. both real slow. showing some monsters but nothing real impressive. looks like the loose tub has much larger fruits and more that are not aborting.

tub 1 compressed tub

tub 2 loose tub

cap · 06-10-09, 13:05

very cool. thank u eatsy

hyphaenation · 06-10-09, 16:29

Hey man you should try a little tea-tree oil watered down and a touch of sea-salt. Lay a piece of toilet paper or paper towel down over the contam spot and spray the mixture onto the paper.

I tried this and added water from simmering garlic as well and it really worked good. Anyhow just a thought.

Cool experiments. Thanks.

eatyualive · 06-10-09, 16:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by hyphaenation

Hey man you should try a little tea-tree oil watered down and a touch of sea-salt. Lay a piece of toilet paper or paper towel down over the contam spot and spray the mixture onto the paper.

I tried this and added water from simmering garlic as well and it really worked good. Anyhow just a thought.

Cool experiments. Thanks.

interesting to know. id probably just cut it out. but leaving soon. so the experiment will have to be cut short once again. new experiments will be done in the next month or so.

eatyualive · 06-11-09, 10:15

tub 1 compressed tub

non-cased-compressed-vs-loose-subs-compress3rdmature.jpg

tub 2 loose tub

the two giants side by side. loose tub giant was 80g wet the compressed sub giant was 57.

eatyualive · 06-12-09, 10:09

3rd Flush Wet Yield

tub 1 compressed tub=309.5g

tub 2 loose tub=409g

wow exactly 100 wet grams apart. kinda funny.

cap · 06-12-09, 13:24

pvacant · 06-12-09, 14:07

awsome thanx for the update. so has the loose sub produced the most weight?

eatyualive · 06-13-09, 19:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by pvacant

awsome thanx for the update. so has the loose sub produced the most weight?

seems fairly even until more tests are done. both subs looked like they could flush a few more times.

eatyualive · 07-20-09, 01:33

ok. have two more tubs coming for a new comparison.

both tex clone 2.

both strawnet/coir/verm/hpoo. 1:1:1:1 ratio. supercake formula 1/4 cup per tub. 3 quarts spawn each tub.

66 quart tub.

one was compressed the other left loose.

BuckarooBanzai · 07-20-09, 02:59

Great thread, man. At first, I was totally "Oh, the compressed sub is gonna suck and likely contam..."

Now, I'm totally "Oh, I'm glad I didn't speak up sooner!"

I love a good experiment and this is a damned good one.

eatyualive · 07-31-09, 13:35

ok 2 more experiments coming

1. two tex clone 2 tubs using strawnet/coir/verm/hpoo with supercake formula in it. one compressed one loose.

2. 2 tex clone 2 tubs using 50/50 strawnet/coir with supercake formula in it.

all done with 4 quarts spawn. hopefully get a good comparison this time without life stepping in the way.

all were roughly birthed at the same time within a day of each other. all tubs look super nice as well! ill post pics when things pickup.

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05-22-09, 19:29	#52 (permalink)
eatyualive ExoCannibalist Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 5,064	omg md, your so mean. jk... nice illustration actually. __________________ Click for Eat's Reference

05-22-09, 23:21	#53 (permalink)
eatyualive ExoCannibalist Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 5,064	tub 1 compressed tub Attachment 129418 tub 2 loose tub Attachment 129419 looks like the compressed tub is having a really good 2nd flush. below is another loose tas tub and a sa clone tub super rhizo. Attached Thumbnails __________________ Click for Eat's Reference

05-23-09, 08:20	#55 (permalink)
eatyualive ExoCannibalist Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 5,064	no time for conclusion. the weight results will have to be tested on the next trial run. from a visual standpoint. the yield is very similar. looks to be about two of the smaller 44 quart tubs equals the one 64 quart tub by a visual estimation. tub 1 compressed tub tub 2 loose tub here is the 64 quart tub results there is another trial tub running of a loose sub coming in 64 quart as well. looking nice fluffy and white. strands sticking all over the place. will post soon. so from a visual standpoint the fruits were meatier on the compressed subs. while the loose subs were a bit slimmer. the harvest pictures do nothing justice as the piles hide everything. when more time is available. the next trial runs will be posted. probably another strain. but still compared. __________________ Click for Eat's Reference

05-25-09, 17:21	#57 (permalink)
eatyualive ExoCannibalist Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 5,064	sadly off all 3 subs total yield was just over 8z. 4 in the big tub 2 in the smaller tubs. would most likely been double that had the harvest not been premature. 2nd flush will be tested. along with some other strains in the near future. timing was just off. __________________ Click for Eat's Reference

05-23-09, 03:06	#54 (permalink)
Getitosis fallible learner Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 229	the loose sub is looking more plentiful imo. good job eatyualive!

05-23-09, 11:57	#56 (permalink)
pvacant a DeAd BoY Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 191	thanks mydarling, that helps ALOT. great pictures. it makes much more since now. i had sworn of using bags from that fiasco. but, with this info, i'll go at it again, thankyou and...sorry for the gender mess up, won't happen again. still not sure about compressed vs loose. looking forward to the next trial run. have a great memorial day.

05-25-09, 17:34	#58 (permalink)
feralronin Professional Amateur Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 1,325	Cool eats. I have been watching this one to see what happens. __________________ "I was actually saving it for my wedding day." -Mystic Truth > Authority

05-25-09, 18:28	#59 (permalink)
eatyualive ExoCannibalist Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 5,064	the loose tubs absorbed far more water than the compressed tub did. in the morning. the loose tub substrate was sitting above the water and very little water dumped out the compressed tub, most of the water dumped out after the dunk. __________________ Click for Eat's Reference

05-25-09, 21:16	#60 (permalink)
extrememetal43 The Jester's Mad Chemist Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 1,204	looks like the first flushes were neck n neck but that may have a big impact on the second flush... __________________ Pantera told me to smoke DMT!

05-29-09, 09:00	#61 (permalink)
eatyualive ExoCannibalist Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 5,064	2nd Flush tub 1 compressed tub tub 2 loose tub looks like the compressed tub is having a really good 2nd flush. below is another loose tas tub and a sa clone tub super rhizo. Attached Thumbnails __________________ Click for Eat's Reference

05-29-09, 09:33	#62 (permalink)
weeeeeee humanoid Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,851	hell yes love this thread __________________ -p.l.u.r

05-29-09, 09:49	#64 (permalink)
tenjin SeventhSon of aSeventhSon Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 549	Ya I love this thread too- props to you Eats So is there a final conclusion to compressed vs loose? I know you said your timing was off and will have to do more tests, but ya the yield look very similar.

05-29-09, 10:53	#65 (permalink)
Shroomette Fairy Princess Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 2,937	Awesome thread eats! I love that I can read a thread that covers sterilization, and pasturization, Condensation, and etc.. all in one. Great info everyone that contributed to this thread. __________________ "If I'm not seen in this world.I'm lost in my own lil world"!!!

05-29-09, 11:08	#66 (permalink)
Hippie3 DUNG DEALER Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 43,266	interesting so far. a few more samples on each 'side' might have helped make any trend more apparent. __________________ visit dial-a-hippie .

05-29-09, 16:30	#67 (permalink)
eatyualive ExoCannibalist Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 5,064	there are going to be several more test runs with other strains using the same exact methods and chambers. the final conclusion is a long ways away. this is going to be one of those side experiment test runs every week or so. it might be a month or two away from final conclusion at this point. right now, conclusion is its random. lets see how it plays out with some fresher clone material, as well as multispore and some other comparisons. on a side note. check out these monster tas to distract you from the long road ahead. Attached Thumbnails __________________ Click for Eat's Reference

05-29-09, 17:53	#68 (permalink)
hyphaenation Puck Teknician Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 5,646	Fun times Eats ... Thanks for the ride ! __________________ We're just flying by the seed of our plants.

05-29-09, 18:41	#69 (permalink)
roc Old Man Join Date: Mar 1970 Posts: 4,296	I am eager to see some sort of conclusion... I recently did some "compressed" cakes in alternative containers and ended up with a total failure! My problem was more related to air exchange while in the "experimental" containers. They have all produced outdoors so all was not lost. I will watch this one and see what I can learn... nice one eats! __________________ ubuntu! Member of Native Geekaho Tribe. "Think for yourself and question authority"

05-30-09, 11:02	#70 (permalink)
eatyualive ExoCannibalist Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 5,064	well this portion of the experiment got screwed up. there was a few day gap between harvest and dunk. some of the primordia started forming before the dunk for the 2nd flush and when the tub was dunked. there were some rather large pins that went under. this ended up causing quite a bit of wetspot bacteria. you can see in the compressed tub that it hit harder in that tub. the loose tub looks great. just a day ago the compressed tub looked like it was going to explode. now it looks horrible. one thing i did notice. is that the loose sub was a bit behind the compressed tub in the previous flush. after the dunk the loose tub has taken the lead on timing with maturity. quite a big lead id say. both were dunked in a similar fashion. 2nd flush maturing tub 1 compressed tub tub 2 loose tub __________________ Click for Eat's Reference

05-30-09, 13:01	#71 (permalink)
pvacant a DeAd BoY Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 191	i don't know, but i think the COMPRESSED tub looks the best.... man i can't wait to see the future experiments. but i have since you started this thread, packing my subs looser to see what happens (i have always done them tight). we'll see. keep us posted......thanx

05-30-09, 20:13	#72 (permalink)
eatyualive ExoCannibalist Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 5,064	2nd Flush maturing tub 1 compressed tub tub 2 loose tub the wetspot on the caps will be tossed. but a dry yield will still be determined despite the wetspot for comparison purposes. __________________ Click for Eat's Reference

05-31-09, 21:34	#73 (permalink)
eatyualive ExoCannibalist Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 5,064	observation: well at first when i glanced. it appeared the compressed sub 2nd flush wasn't as big as the loose. but now. wow im blown away after harvest. quite a bit of difference. the loose tub filled the entire dehydrator. and this compressed sub harvest pile is nearly twice the size of that harvest 2nd flush. kinda sux the 1st flush can't be recorded. but this stack for the compressed sub is much higher. fruits on average were all hitting the lids in both tubs. but even the pins and smaller fruits in the compressed tub were more dense. the harvest felt a bit easier as well. and the substrate is solid and dense and looks good or ready for a new flush. the compressed tub is now being dunked. the loose tub is about half a day ahead of the compressed on the dunk. but both will be dunked same number of hours for the experiment. all in all the fruits seem the same density and size in the 2nd flush. in the first flush the fruits in the loose tub were a bit smaller. but i felt that tub first flush would have been a bigger yield given a timed harvest. there are some picturs of the fruit size for scale reference so you can get an idea of how big the fruits are. the top blue lid on that tub is the tub being used. 44 quart iris tub. and you can't beat that blue color for the lid. bc blue is the coolest color on earth and in the universe. no arguing about that lol...one may say green its a hard argument there. also, the compressed tub was ahead first flush to maturity by a few hours. once the dunk happened after first flush. the loose tub pulled ahead a few hours of the compressed tub. its like they reversed roles 2nd flush. may be random. going to have to do more test runs. Harvest Both Tubs tub 1 compressed tub tub 2 loose tub yield results to be determined soon. __________________ Click for Eat's Reference

05-31-09, 21:45	#74 (permalink)
hyphaenation Puck Teknician Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 5,646	Awesome information Eats. I was on the edge of my seat. To be honest I was a bit scared at first because I thought if the compressed tub failed to work out badly then that would shoot down Puck Tek (even though i've had good results with pressing subs). Turns out compression is at very least not harmful and quite likely beneficial. It was in the pucks and now with your bins. I look forward to future tests and hearing what others think about the subject. Also i'm keen to see the third flush for each after a good dunk. This is key , because its part of my theory that more flushes are possible with compression. Wonder if a contam resistant nute soak after each flush is possible... __________________ We're just flying by the seed of our plants.

06-01-09, 02:58	#75 (permalink)
stimpy rawr Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 411	I love you eats we should get married __________________ RAWWR

06-01-09, 10:39	#76 (permalink)
pvacant a DeAd BoY Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 191	Ohhhhh, i'm getting excited. can't wait for the yeild results. but still i'm thinking the compressed.

06-01-09, 16:11	#78 (permalink)
extrememetal43 The Jester's Mad Chemist Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 1,204	not to blow your mind or nuthin but what if you compressed them halfway? __________________ Pantera told me to smoke DMT!

06-02-09, 09:29	#80 (permalink)
eatyualive ExoCannibalist Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 5,064	Dry yield 2nd Flush tub 1 compressed tub = 108 tub 2 loose tub = 96 12 gram difference. more experiments will be done using other strains and larger tubs with side by side comparisons of each. below is a tas 64 quart 2nd flush from previous posts. very dense flush. double both these tub yields easily. Attached Thumbnails __________________ Click for Eat's Reference

06-02-09, 15:34	#81 (permalink)
hyphaenation Puck Teknician Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 5,646	Hopefully others will experiment with pressing different substrates. Straw is normally something that you'd compress anyways because of air pockets , but its my understanding that this is "straw-net" ? Am I right on that ? Cause is'nt that stuff compressed already to begin with and then you soak it ? Anyhow it will be cool to see other materials and mixes like manures etc and how they react to being loose versus compressed. __________________ We're just flying by the seed of our plants.

06-03-09, 18:40	#83 (permalink)
hyphaenation Puck Teknician Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 5,646	Third period coming up ... __________________ We're just flying by the seed of our plants.

06-05-09, 13:05	#84 (permalink)
toadshroom Mycotopiate Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 247	just thought of this eatyualive...on foaf's 1st grow, he colonized some 1/2 pint pftek jars...one of the jars stalled out so he did some experimenting with that one. He transfered some of the colonized jar into an LC (big mistake, got contams from 3 of the 4 jars he tried. But then, he had nearly 1/2 of the cake left (a little more) and nothing to do with it. So...he threw it in this trashbag containing cpoo that's sitting on his balcony, mixed the cake into a spot of it (it's VERY dense) and voila a few weeks later there were 3 little FAT boomers coming out. There's 4 more right now close to ready to pick. In comparison to his bulk tubs, the ones grown outdoors in the trash bag are much much meatier, albeit smaller, but thick. Reminded me of the difference between an indica and a sativa. His bulk tub was pretty loose, like a sponge. What I found most incredible is that he grew these outside in central il, making me think that it is very possible to grow cubes outdoors in his climate.

06-05-09, 16:43	#86 (permalink)
toadshroom Mycotopiate Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 247	plenty of grass seedlings popping up in there already, but could use more i'm sure. I'll have to read the tek. ideally, i would like to find a spot out in the woods near a creek (tons of those around here) as it stays a little cooler in those areas during the intense heat of the summer....also would digging a whole deeper than the freezing level of the soil, filled with lots of spawn and substrate be more hearty during the winter? I was thinking maybe the lowest level of the spawn wouldn't freeze and that as spring comes, it might recolonize the upper portions?

06-06-09, 00:42	#87 (permalink)
hyphaenation Puck Teknician Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 5,646	Any signs of pins ? __________________ We're just flying by the seed of our plants.

06-06-09, 09:12	#88 (permalink)
eatyualive ExoCannibalist Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 5,064	no both tubs are fuzzy white but slow to pin. looking good but just slow. im sure maybe later today their might be some signs lol... __________________ Click for Eat's Reference

06-10-09, 12:54	#89 (permalink)
eatyualive ExoCannibalist Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 5,064	3rd flush well the compressed tub got a contam spot. but this sub is going to be dumped after this flush anyway. both real slow. showing some monsters but nothing real impressive. looks like the loose tub has much larger fruits and more that are not aborting. tub 1 compressed tub tub 2 loose tub __________________ Click for Eat's Reference

06-10-09, 13:05	#90 (permalink)
cap ~~ confusion's prince ~~ Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 4,559	very cool. thank u eatsy __________________ www.gdradio.net www.phillesh.net "i dont know, maybe it was the roses...."