CYANOFRISCOSA - CENTRAL EUROPE 2009 - Page 2

Teonanacatl*38 · 10-25-09, 19:39

Spore Prints

hyphaenation · 10-25-09, 19:43

The spores are quite brown and don't look like cubie prints that show gills. They make more of a smudge deposit.

ethnobotanica · 10-27-09, 10:16

Great stuff NF, really nice to see all the stages and see what I'm in store for next year

I was wondering if they would have that blue nipple appearance when mature.

What were your colonizing/incubation temps when starting them beauty's off ??

Cheers

nightflyer · 10-27-09, 11:19

I germinated the spores on PDA at 25 C.

All other steps done at room temperature (20-22C).

It's very important to adjust the pH value
of the agar medium between 4.0 and 4.5
in order to prevent bacterial contamination.

ethnobotanica · 10-27-09, 14:16

Is ph 5.6 too high then?

Thats what the plates I used last time were. My growth was a bit slow as well, no contam though.

How do you lower the ph?

nightflyer · 10-27-09, 15:19

If you have no contam, pH 5.6 is okay.

The perfect pH value for most mushrooms lies
between 5.0 and 5.5. But many bacteria
and yeasts like that pH value also. But if
you have no contams, pH 5.6 is nearly perfect.

susu · 10-27-09, 16:42

i would say im central eu as well,but nothing more than 5 pins jet,are u more north or south ,left rigth

?

ethnobotanica · 10-27-09, 17:42

Hi susu, have you checked out Spacecake's Azurescens thread? Some talk of temps and fruiting on last page. The whole thread is pretty good though

http://forums.mycotopia.net/photo-ga...ry-2008-a.html

ethnobotanica · 10-27-09, 17:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by nightflyer

If you have no contam, pH 5.6 is okay.

The perfect pH value for most mushrooms lies
between 5.0 and 5.5. But many bacteria
and yeasts like that pH value also. But if
you have no contams, pH 5.6 is nearly perfect.

Thanks again NF,
Plates are on there way.

I've never poured agar so Ive ordered pre-poured, hence the concern as there wasnt too many options. I got SDA. Only other one was soy based and I didnt like the sound of that.

Can't wait to see a cyclone!

Does the frisco myc actually do that on a plate??

hyphaenation · 10-27-09, 17:56

Quote:

Does the frisco myc actually do that on a plate??

http://forums.mycotopia.net/exotic-m...tml#post323708 (Psilocybe cyanofriscosa ~ A new CA species)

ethnobotanica · 10-27-09, 18:04

Kewwwl!!!

nightflyer · 10-28-09, 00:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by susu

i would say im central eu as well,but nothing more than 5 pins jet,are u more north or south ,left rigth

?

Central Europe, western part.

A pic of my hunting grounds:

ethnobotanica · 10-28-09, 03:46

Them looks like liberty cap hills!

nightflyer · 10-28-09, 05:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethnobotanica

Them looks like liberty cap hills!

Yesss!

You will find Libs here (Jura Mountains)
in almost every pasture above an altitude of
600 m (2000 ft.)

ethnobotanica · 10-28-09, 06:05

Lucky you!!

Can I come stay with you next season ???

You can just point me to the hills and fields and I will pitch my tent somewhere for a month.

nightflyer · 10-28-09, 08:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethnobotanica

Lucky you!!

I will pitch my tent somewhere for a month.

There is a map showing the distribution of
Psilocybe semilanceata in my country.
The other pic shows the preferred altitude.
The map is still under construction by adding
new Libs finds.

ethnobotanica · 10-28-09, 10:26

Cool

Looks like its all about the altitude then. I'm only 100-200m.

Mountain goat POO!!! I need Mountain goat Poo!!!

I think I'm guna get a map of swiss campsites and overlay it on your map there.

Will Pm ya if I'm in the area this time next year

Sorry Nf, i don't mean to hijack your thread into another topic. Enjoy your Frisco's

I can't wait to get mine started, was thinking i could fruit a small tub before spring if i got on the case quick.

Were these very aggresive colonizer's ??

nightflyer · 10-28-09, 11:51

Cyanofriscosa is a very aggressive colonizer.
I created my patch in March 2009, spreading
25 kg of wood chips, and by the end of June
the hole patch was fully colonized.

ethnobotanica · 10-28-09, 13:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by nightflyer

Cyanofriscosa is a very aggressive colonizer.
I created my patch in March 2009, spreading
25 kg of wood chips, and by the end of June
the hole patch was fully colonized.

Excellent!!

I wanted to ask you as well (sorry for the persistant questions

),
what substrate's did u use?? any additives?
Is it possible that frisco's are a bit more pine tolerant?

I only ask this because of your beautiful pine covered mountain pics.

...and the fact that I'm finding it hard to get hardwood.

nightflyer · 10-28-09, 14:45

For the Cyanofriscosa I used willow (Salix alba) wood chips
without any additives.

All I know is that Psilocybe azurescens and Psilocybe
cyanescens grow on spruce (Picea abies) wood chips.
I don't know if pine chips or other coniferous wood chips work.

You may find hardwood chips at the local
(fish) smokery. They use hardwood chips
(especially from beech trees) for smoking fish and meat.

Or contact the local forester or a nursery.
They cut back trees during winter and
shred the wood.

ethnobotanica · 10-30-09, 03:20

Thanks once again Nf

TheFreak · 10-30-09, 11:19

those look great

maksud · 11-01-09, 11:35

GREEEAAAT

Very nice...
Trying grow woodlovers too but nothing...

Waiting (west UA)

Read PM

maksud · 11-01-09, 14:45

Very nice pics

and report!

repost

nightflyer · 11-03-09, 13:26

Todays harvest...

kcmoxtractor · 11-03-09, 16:02

Nice! Enjoy the fruits of your labor!

nightflyer · 11-05-09, 15:11

Psilocybe cyanofriscosa and Psilocybe cyanescens
are closely related. I created a Cyanofriscosa patch
flanking a Cyanescens patch, because I want to find
out if a crossbreed will emerge someday.

ethnobotanica · 11-05-09, 15:15

Man! That is one dense flush!

Zozo · 11-05-09, 15:28

perfect

so beautiful I can look for hours

thanks
zozo

doodaa man · 11-05-09, 20:13

awesome work bro ! inspiration at the max Thanks for sharing!
Oh! How is the prints comming along ? It would be nice to get one of those prints !!!

waylitjim · 11-06-09, 00:02

That's an incredible photo Nightflyer.

I give you a well deserved

kcmoxtractor · 11-06-09, 00:08

Yeah that is an absolutely amazing side by side. WOW

nightflyer · 11-06-09, 00:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by waylitjim

That's an incredible photo Nightflyer.
I give you a well deserved

Thank you very much, Waylit!

Apparently the Cyanofriscosas enjoy
the European climate.

maksud · 11-07-09, 00:48

NF
Is this first or second flush on photo with harvest?
Group picture of Cyans & Frisc`s

You azures were on this picture too? Or they grew in different place?

nightflyer · 11-07-09, 06:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by maksud

NF
Is this first or second flush on photo with harvest?
Group picture of Cyans & Frisc`s

You azures were on this picture too? Or they grew in different place?

Second flush.
My Azures grow in a different place.
But no pins yet.

Frequency · 11-12-09, 12:55

Amazing nightflyer!

I love that side-by-side pic of the friscosas and the cyans!! Would be very cool if a hybrid emerged eventually.

hyphaenation · 11-12-09, 12:58

Quote:

I created a Cyanofriscosa patch
flanking a Cyanescens patch, because I want to find
out if a crossbreed will emerge someday.

Thats really cool NF !

I had heard that Friscosa was aggressive and would "take-over" Cyan territory and this had lead me to keep the two separate. Thanks for doing this and photo-documenting. Curious to see how it goes.

Frequency · 11-12-09, 13:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by hyphaenation

Thats really cool NF !

I had heard that Friscosa was aggressive and would "take-over" Cyan territory

Epic myc battle go! I choose you Cyanofriscosa!

nightflyer · 11-12-09, 13:50

I really wonder what will happen.

It's true, Cyanofriscosa mycelium is VERY aggressive!

nightflyer · 11-15-09, 14:13

November 15,

My experimental Cyanofriscosa / Cyanescens patch.
Maybe they are already hybridizing.
Who knows what happens beneath the soil surface...

koldjgdaro · 11-15-09, 14:31

Will you take me there, please? :P

That's so awesome!

Inspiring, man

.

Om shanti · 11-15-09, 14:37

Mixed shroom salat. Yummy!!.. ;-)

Rhizoo · 11-15-09, 16:31

This is an awesome patch you made there, nightflyer!

I also like your experiment friscosa vs. cyanescens. I'm not sure if hybridization will respective can happen this way, but anyway it will be interesting to watch how their boundaries will shift over time. It might be a good idea to make some overview pictures which include some easily recognizable landmarks which will still be there the next year.

Ok, if the friscosa takes over the whole patch, you don't need that

Viel Erfolg,
Rhizo

copelandiaKidd · 11-15-09, 16:40

friscosas are my favs! Beautiful shots!!!!!

kcmoxtractor · 11-15-09, 16:49

Oh my, that is absolutely amazing

eatyualive · 11-15-09, 17:16

badass!

ethnobotanica · 11-15-09, 20:20

It does actually look like there is a little battle going on.

Notice how the frisco's are out wide circling in on the cyan's which are huddled in a tight group looking quite worried, the cyan's have got one brave soldier who is out in the thick of the frisco troops but I'm not sure what his chances are. lol

kocos · 11-16-09, 02:53

Great thread, great pics and beautifull mushrooms

Cant wait to give this a try myselfe. May I ask what your substrate was after the PDA? You may have mentioned that but i didnt notice.

nightflyer · 11-16-09, 10:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by kocos

May I ask what your substrate was after the PDA? You may have mentioned that but i didnt notice.

PDA > Rye berry Spawn > corrugated Cardboard > Woodchips

Thanks for all the nice replies!

kocos · 11-16-09, 10:54

Just what i needed! Thanks man!

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10-25-09, 19:43	#52 (permalink)
hyphaenation Puck Teknician Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 6,903	The spores are quite brown and don't look like cubie prints that show gills. They make more of a smudge deposit. __________________ This is the house that Hip built ! Best free university in the world

10-27-09, 11:19	#54 (permalink)
nightflyer Far Journeys Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 415	I germinated the spores on PDA at 25 C. All other steps done at room temperature (20-22C). It's very important to adjust the pH value of the agar medium between 4.0 and 4.5 in order to prevent bacterial contamination. __________________ http://forums.mycotopia.net/fungi-gr...pe-2009-a.html

10-27-09, 15:19	#56 (permalink)
nightflyer Far Journeys Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 415	If you have no contam, pH 5.6 is okay. The perfect pH value for most mushrooms lies between 5.0 and 5.5. But many bacteria and yeasts like that pH value also. But if you have no contams, pH 5.6 is nearly perfect. __________________ http://forums.mycotopia.net/fungi-gr...pe-2009-a.html

10-27-09, 16:42	#57 (permalink)
susu Mycophiliac Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 75	i would say im central eu as well,but nothing more than 5 pins jet,are u more north or south ,left rigth?

10-25-09, 19:39	#51 (permalink)
Teonanacatl*38 The Seeker Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 594	Spore Prints

10-27-09, 10:16	#53 (permalink)
ethnobotanica Botanical-manical Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 1,255	Great stuff NF, really nice to see all the stages and see what I'm in store for next year I was wondering if they would have that blue nipple appearance when mature. What were your colonizing/incubation temps when starting them beauty's off ?? Cheers

10-27-09, 14:16	#55 (permalink)
ethnobotanica Botanical-manical Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 1,255	Is ph 5.6 too high then? Thats what the plates I used last time were. My growth was a bit slow as well, no contam though. How do you lower the ph?

10-27-09, 17:42	#58 (permalink)
ethnobotanica Botanical-manical Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 1,255	Hi susu, have you checked out Spacecake's Azurescens thread? Some talk of temps and fruiting on last page. The whole thread is pretty good though http://forums.mycotopia.net/photo-ga...ry-2008-a.html

10-27-09, 18:04	#61 (permalink)
ethnobotanica Botanical-manical Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 1,255	Kewwwl!!!

10-28-09, 03:46	#63 (permalink)
ethnobotanica Botanical-manical Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 1,255	Them looks like liberty cap hills!

10-28-09, 06:05	#65 (permalink)
ethnobotanica Botanical-manical Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 1,255	Lucky you!! Can I come stay with you next season ??? You can just point me to the hills and fields and I will pitch my tent somewhere for a month.

10-28-09, 10:26	#67 (permalink)
ethnobotanica Botanical-manical Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 1,255	Cool Looks like its all about the altitude then. I'm only 100-200m. Mountain goat POO!!! I need Mountain goat Poo!!! I think I'm guna get a map of swiss campsites and overlay it on your map there. Will Pm ya if I'm in the area this time next year Sorry Nf, i don't mean to hijack your thread into another topic. Enjoy your Frisco's I can't wait to get mine started, was thinking i could fruit a small tub before spring if i got on the case quick. Were these very aggresive colonizer's ??

10-28-09, 11:51	#68 (permalink)
nightflyer Far Journeys Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 415	Cyanofriscosa is a very aggressive colonizer. I created my patch in March 2009, spreading 25 kg of wood chips, and by the end of June the hole patch was fully colonized. __________________ http://forums.mycotopia.net/fungi-gr...pe-2009-a.html

10-28-09, 14:45	#70 (permalink)
nightflyer Far Journeys Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 415	For the Cyanofriscosa I used willow (Salix alba) wood chips without any additives. All I know is that Psilocybe azurescens and Psilocybe cyanescens grow on spruce (Picea abies) wood chips. I don't know if pine chips or other coniferous wood chips work. You may find hardwood chips at the local (fish) smokery. They use hardwood chips (especially from beech trees) for smoking fish and meat. Or contact the local forester or a nursery. They cut back trees during winter and shred the wood. __________________ http://forums.mycotopia.net/fungi-gr...pe-2009-a.html

10-30-09, 03:20	#71 (permalink)
ethnobotanica Botanical-manical Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 1,255	Thanks once again Nf

10-30-09, 11:19	#72 (permalink)
TheFreak Mycophage Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 187	those look great

11-01-09, 11:35	#73 (permalink)
maksud Mycophiliac Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 25	GREEEAAAT Very nice... Trying grow woodlovers too but nothing... Waiting (west UA) Read PM

11-01-09, 14:45	#74 (permalink)
maksud Mycophiliac Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 25	Very nice pics and report! repost

11-03-09, 13:26	#75 (permalink)
nightflyer Far Journeys Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 415	Todays harvest... __________________ http://forums.mycotopia.net/fungi-gr...pe-2009-a.html

11-03-09, 16:02	#76 (permalink)
kcmoxtractor Satan's Helper Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 2,091	Nice! Enjoy the fruits of your labor! __________________ "It was the straying that found the path direct" - Austin Osman Spare

11-05-09, 15:11	#77 (permalink)
nightflyer Far Journeys Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 415	Psilocybe cyanofriscosa and Psilocybe cyanescens are closely related. I created a Cyanofriscosa patch flanking a Cyanescens patch, because I want to find out if a crossbreed will emerge someday. __________________ http://forums.mycotopia.net/fungi-gr...pe-2009-a.html

11-05-09, 15:15	#78 (permalink)
ethnobotanica Botanical-manical Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 1,255	Man! That is one dense flush! __________________ I once was found but now am lost.....

11-05-09, 15:28	#79 (permalink)
Zozo The green paladin Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 448	perfect so beautiful I can look for hours thanks zozo __________________ My Grow logs

11-05-09, 20:13	#80 (permalink)
doodaa man getting to know thyself Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 413	awesome work bro ! inspiration at the max Thanks for sharing! Oh! How is the prints comming along ? It would be nice to get one of those prints !!! __________________ Strangers stopping strangers Just to shake their hand

11-06-09, 00:02	#81 (permalink)
waylitjim A Mirror Image Join Date: Sep 1972 Posts: 4,282	That's an incredible photo Nightflyer. I give you a well deserved __________________ "there is no need though to seek death- it will find us . seek instead to become a light in this dark world."

11-06-09, 00:08	#82 (permalink)
kcmoxtractor Satan's Helper Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 2,091	Yeah that is an absolutely amazing side by side. WOW __________________ "It was the straying that found the path direct" - Austin Osman Spare

11-07-09, 00:48	#84 (permalink)
maksud Mycophiliac Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 25	NF Is this first or second flush on photo with harvest? Group picture of Cyans & Frisc`s You azures were on this picture too? Or they grew in different place?

11-12-09, 12:55	#86 (permalink)
Frequency Code Demon Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 838	Amazing nightflyer! I love that side-by-side pic of the friscosas and the cyans!! Would be very cool if a hybrid emerged eventually. __________________ Programmer + Psychonaut = Frequency

11-12-09, 13:50	#89 (permalink)
nightflyer Far Journeys Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 415	I really wonder what will happen. It's true, Cyanofriscosa mycelium is VERY aggressive! __________________ http://forums.mycotopia.net/fungi-gr...pe-2009-a.html

11-15-09, 14:13	#90 (permalink)
nightflyer Far Journeys Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 415	November 15, My experimental Cyanofriscosa / Cyanescens patch. Maybe they are already hybridizing. Who knows what happens beneath the soil surface... __________________ http://forums.mycotopia.net/fungi-gr...pe-2009-a.html

11-15-09, 14:31	#91 (permalink)
koldjgdaro Psychonaut Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 855	Will you take me there, please? :P That's so awesome! Inspiring, man . __________________ To fathom Hell or soar angelic, just take a pinch of psychedelic

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11-15-09, 16:31	#93 (permalink)
Rhizoo Mycophage Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 144	This is an awesome patch you made there, nightflyer! I also like your experiment friscosa vs. cyanescens. I'm not sure if hybridization will respective can happen this way, but anyway it will be interesting to watch how their boundaries will shift over time. It might be a good idea to make some overview pictures which include some easily recognizable landmarks which will still be there the next year. Ok, if the friscosa takes over the whole patch, you don't need that Viel Erfolg, Rhizo __________________ Rhizo's Lab TEK

11-15-09, 16:40	#94 (permalink)
copelandiaKidd Void Of Boundaries Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 859	friscosas are my favs! Beautiful shots!!!!! __________________ "LEARN THE RULES SO YOU CAN BREAK THEM PROPERLY" -The Dali lama "i don't care if it eats my cat, as long as the damn thing fruits"~ prism