Methadone Causes Death?

ShadowBoom · 06-20-06, 12:46

A friend of mine's boyfriend died yesterday after apparently overdosing on Methadone.

I know the effects of methadone are supposedly similar to "phase 2" of a heroin high (after the rush hits) because methadone is an opioid and thus provides the user with many of the same effects of Heroin, is serinity, peace of mind, a feeling of well being, bodly warmth, loving feelings, social feelings.

But is it possible to OD and die on it?? I think there may have been a good amount of alcohol involved as well.. the friends he was with said in the morning he was stiff as a board and his lips, fingers, toes were blue-ish purple..

b0b · 06-20-06, 13:13

Sorry to hear about that.

Yes, it is very possible to overdose on methadone. Many people have done it. I believe (not sure) that tolerance plays a factor. Taking alcohol with an opiate as strong as methadone is generally a bad idea since the depressing effects on the nervous system can be so great that the individual just stops breathing, and a whole mess of other serious problems can occur.
Do not take any pharm for recreational use and think it is completely safe.

Again, very sorry to hear about what happened.

SquaresandCubes · 06-20-06, 18:21

Sorry to hear about that. Ive never done it myself but I have know several people that have had bad addictions to the drug with only a few to overcome that addiction. Most people Ive talked to say they do it so they dont do heroin. Opiates are dangerous and a bad road to go down.

Much love to your friend and her boyfriends family.

cheech · 06-20-06, 19:21

yes it is possible to od on 'done. one thing that is different with 'done than other opiates is that the blood levels of it peak at about 3 hours after taken orally. someone will take a dose and feeling little effect after an hour or so,
take more and maybe after another hour take more. this combined with another cns depressant (like alcohol or benzos) can easily lead to an overdose. methadone also has a very long half life - 27 hours. fairly often the emt's will administer narcan for an opiate overdose, and not knowing that the drug taken was methadone will think that a single dose will take care of the problem. the narcan will wear off and the patient lapses back into the overdose because there is still so much 'done left in the blood.

rockawayrooms · 06-20-06, 19:44

That really sucks man,very sorry to hear that.

dead_diver · 06-20-06, 19:57

I know alot of people, myself included, that consider methadone worse than smack.

beardedlady · 06-20-06, 22:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by dead_diver

I know alot of people, myself included, that consider methadone worse than smack.

I second that.

BennyBlanco · 06-20-06, 22:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by dead_diver

I know alot of people, myself included, that consider methadone worse than smack.

not if proprely controlled by a doctor or clinic it can be a lifesaver to some addicts that really want to quite...but on the street I would also consider it no different

beardedlady · 06-20-06, 22:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by BennyBlanco

not if proprely controlled by a doctor or clinic it can be a lifesaver to some addicts that really want to quite...but on the street I would also consider it no different

I'll say, methadone for me is like handcuffs. If I had an endless supply of it, I'd do it forever, and be jobless. With other hard substances - H, yey - I can stop for months at a time. I've been clean from it all for a bit now, actually.

My mother used to do heroin, but now she has a methadone addiction. She finds the methadone to be way more addictive, but I guess it's how you take your H that plays a role to that...

SharkieJones · 06-20-06, 23:26

Sorry to hear about that death.

ShadowBoom · 06-21-06, 00:45

I really appreciate all your condolences.. its quite a shame. Such waste.. so much potential.

tbonus · 07-07-06, 13:10

I was on methadone for 3 long years,before that I was addicted to any kind of opiate I could get my hands.I'm now in the process of kicking cold turkey. This is by far the worst pain I've ever been in,but I know that when its over my life will better than it ever was.For anybody out there who is struggling with this awful disease,please know that your not alone,and you can do it!!!!

cfharding · 07-29-06, 08:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by tbonus

I was on methadone for 3 long years,before that I was addicted to any kind of opiate I could get my hands.I'm now in the process of kicking cold turkey. This is by far the worst pain I've ever been in,but I know that when its over my life will better than it ever was.For anybody out there who is struggling with this awful disease,please know that your not alone,and you can do it!!!!

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give thanks and know you were never alone.your needs were met even before you knew what you needed! your reward will be great

tbonus · 07-29-06, 10:16

Thanks cf, it's a real struggle because methadone becomes so much more to an addict than just a daily fix, it is an emotional,physical,and pyscological crutch that you cant live without,unless the proper help is received.GOOD LUCK to all that are struggling.

5thHorsemen · 06-09-08, 17:51

Just got a phone call today informing me that one of my close friends overdosed on methadone. Wish I would have told him he looked like shit, he got it only a week before. All I can do is remember the good times. I have never done it and didn't realize that it was a very serious drug. Just a warning to fellow mycotopians.

eastwood · 06-09-08, 18:01

My condolences 5thhorseman.I also had a friend to die from methadone.He started on them monday.That friday he came home an layed down after he got back from the methadone clinic and never woke up.

RIP Cruze

livewire420 · 06-09-08, 18:40

yup a lot of my friends have passed from this drug and many others.
o.c.'s, fentanyl patches and suckers, morphine patches, and methadone.

shit it about got me too. i had done 6 40's oc, 4 fentanyl suckers "dont remember milligram", and 2 fentanyl patches "dont remember milligram", but one patch i thought was out i put into my mouth and put a new one one cause they lasted 72 hrs or some shit. all i know is when i woke up i seen this gaint needle in my chest. i jumped to my feet and tried to run but it just dropped to the floor. good thing my friends was there to save my ass and to take all the drugs out the place b4 calling the boys. i would've been screwed cause i had a hp of herb and a o of blow on my plus scales, but im glad that shit is the past now. my choice of drugs is mushrooms i do nothin else.

sorry to here about your friend....

JohnQShroomer · 06-09-08, 18:47

Sorry for your loss.

Isn't that what killed Anna Nicole Smith?

dizzydank · 06-09-08, 19:22

damn thas shitty.

dice4717 · 06-09-08, 19:38

Sorry man!

weed4all · 06-09-08, 20:25

methadones some shit man. the worst part is that it's so easy to get now. i knew 3 kids personally who died from mixin done with xannies or alcohol and have seen atleast a dozen deaths in the paper or on the news in the last year and a half. and thats just in my general area.

anti-oedipus · 06-09-08, 22:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by beardedlady

I second that.

i third that

abbr. · 06-10-08, 18:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by weed4all

i knew 3 kids personally who died from mixin done with xannies or alcohol.

Sorry to hear this.

I been on it about 5 or 6 years total now.
Any clinic I've ever been to had strict rules about
benzos and alcohol.
The combo is simply deadly.
And when careless people sell their doses to
a person who doesn't understand the danger,
it often ends with tragedy.

When Methadone is administered properly, with prescription,
counseling, and random urines it does save lives.

I certainly would not be alive if I hadn't gone back to Methadone
a couple years back.

Some call it "Liquid Handcuffs" because the supervision
is so intense.
But, I feel it is nessecary in most cases with addicts.
Myself included.

almorel · 06-11-08, 10:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by abbr.

Sorry to hear this.

I been on it about 5 or 6 years total now.
Any clinic I've ever been to had strict rules about
benzos and alcohol.
The combo is simply deadly.
And when careless people sell their doses to
a person who doesn't understand the danger,
it often ends with tragedy.

When Methadone is administered properly, with prescription,
counseling, and random urines it does save lives.

I certainly would not be alive if I hadn't gone back to Methadone
a couple years back.

Some call it "Liquid Handcuffs" because the supervision
is so intense.
But, I feel it is nessecary in most cases with addicts.
Myself included.

abbr I hear ya. I have been on methadone for seventeen years,and will probably be on it the rest of my life.The other alternative for my would have been life in prison or death.It might be liquid handcuffs,but for some it is a lifesaver.
Most deaths i have seen from DONE usually had benzos, alcohol or other drugs in combination with the done.

TVCasualty · 06-11-08, 11:05

This is getting more common, I've lost some folks recently to combos of methadone and xanax, and methadone and vicodin. Others I talked to about it had never heard of such combos being fatal, and they were people who were taking those combos! They looked pale when I told them what had killed the folks I knew; when they looked back on a few past 'incidents' they realized they'd actually had near-death experiences.

I've been told by active and former junkies that methadone is a shorter leash than heroin; heroin lasts a lot longer, so you have more time before you need to hit it again. Methadone keeps you closer to home, supposedly. Can anyone confirm or deny this? I'm a little curious...

feralronin · 06-11-08, 12:08

Its really simple everyone. 1 combo that you don't do is Methadone and xanax. I have seen many people that I used to go to the clinic pass on doing this, and the clinic will warn people about the combo. I have been diagnosed as having social anxiety disorder and needed to be prescribed something for it when I was on methadone. But you couldn't find a doctor anywhere who would even think about writing me a script for a benzo while I was on the methadone.
With that said I have done the combo before, and it is pleasant and small doses. The problem from what I hear is that on high doses of methadone, people tend to (I would alot) nod out, added with the xanax people would usually die from respiratory arrest where they would simply stop breathing.
I know that in New Orleans after the hurricane they had a huge problem with people ODing on this combo, after they couldn't get their supply of H and as always pharmacueticals are always around.

Just be careful guys and gals, this shit is nothing to mess with.

abbr. · 06-11-08, 17:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by TVCasualty

I've been told by active and former junkies that methadone is a shorter leash than heroin; heroin lasts a lot longer, so you have more time before you need to hit it again. Methadone keeps you closer to home, supposedly. Can anyone confirm or deny this? I'm a little curious...

I'd disagree with that.
Methadone lasts at the least 24 hours.
Its designed to "hold" you for 48 or possibly even more.
But a clinic will "dose" you every 24 hours.

With the H bomb, it all depends.
If you're just starting to use, and you're injecting,
heroin could keep you high for quite some time.
But, as your dependancy gets worse, your body will
eat the H right up.

IMO, heroin has a much shorter leash than methadone.
With Methadone, I know when I take my dose,
I can work a ten hour day, and feel fine.
I no longer spend my days wondering how I'll
get my next fix.
I don't risk getting robbed, arrested, ripped off (you inject a foreign substance and who knows what
it might do to your body)......
all that shit that comes with the addiction.
And the other thing is, with H you experience
intense highs and incredible lows.
On one day you might get real high, the next day you just maintain,
and the next day say you're really dopesick.
This does a number to your brain and body.
You're not "stable"
With methadone you work your way up to a dose that suits you best.
Its different for everyone depending on metabolism, years of abuse and the
amount of drugs you used.
Once you reach this point, you're considered stable.
You can function and work, even though you're still addicted to an Opiate.
Its the same every day.

I also am curious to know why previous posters
say they think methadone is worse than H.

Having been addicted to both, I can tell you
in my case, H is far worse.

feralronin · 06-12-08, 15:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by abbr.

I also am curious to know why previous posters
say they think methadone is worse than H.

Having been addicted to both, I can tell you
in my case, H is far worse.

I think when people say that they refer to the problem of getting off the methadone. Which makes since because of the relatively low cost of methadone, the fact that its legal to grab at the clinic, and that you can get so comfortable with it. You can work a 10 hour shift and go about your life. With heroin or OCs for me, it cost all of my money, the fact that getting caught with some would result in jailtime, the fact that they aren't always around, and you can't go into work withdrawling makes the option of methadone very appealling. And it is, until you want to get off.

All I can say is that if I had not heard about a new place that opened up around here that prescribed suboxone, I don't know where I would be, or if I would still be.

TVCasualty · 06-12-08, 20:25

Thanks for that reply; it was informative. I've learned to be grateful that I don't really know much about this stuff except through the occasional friend who falls away.

Doctor D · 06-12-08, 20:37

Abbr. was right on the money. A good shot of heroin can wear off in 6 hours or so. A stable dose of methadone will hold a person comfortably for 24 hours, maybe even 48 hours if they don't think about it.

A lot of that pre-withdrawal symptom feeling is mental panic "Oh my god I'm going to get sick!" BS; it feeds into itself making you feel worse, but in reality the withdrawal from methadone is very slight after 24 hours.

Suboxone is a life saver, except all the criminal-minded junkies trying to rip off the doctors have forced the doctors to now start implementing the same sort of measures that methadone clinics have (drug tests, pill counting, etc.). As is always the case, a select few assholes have to ruin a good thing for everybody. Makes it harder for us addicts who are truly serious about recovery.

Nightwind · 06-13-08, 00:03

friend of mine died two days ago from done.
and to her and your mate,at this time I honour them

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06-20-06, 12:46	#1 (permalink)
ShadowBoom Mycophage Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 126	Methadone Causes Death? A friend of mine's boyfriend died yesterday after apparently overdosing on Methadone. I know the effects of methadone are supposedly similar to "phase 2" of a heroin high (after the rush hits) because methadone is an opioid and thus provides the user with many of the same effects of Heroin, is serinity, peace of mind, a feeling of well being, bodly warmth, loving feelings, social feelings. But is it possible to OD and die on it?? I think there may have been a good amount of alcohol involved as well.. the friends he was with said in the morning he was stiff as a board and his lips, fingers, toes were blue-ish purple.. __________________ Clear moon, quiet winds.

06-20-06, 19:21	#4 (permalink)
cheech Mycotopiate Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 427	yes it is possible to od on 'done. one thing that is different with 'done than other opiates is that the blood levels of it peak at about 3 hours after taken orally. someone will take a dose and feeling little effect after an hour or so, take more and maybe after another hour take more. this combined with another cns depressant (like alcohol or benzos) can easily lead to an overdose. methadone also has a very long half life - 27 hours. fairly often the emt's will administer narcan for an opiate overdose, and not knowing that the drug taken was methadone will think that a single dose will take care of the problem. the narcan will wear off and the patient lapses back into the overdose because there is still so much 'done left in the blood. __________________ greater vehicle, lesser vehicle. it does not matter, all vehicles will be towed at the owner's expense.

06-20-06, 19:44	#5 (permalink)
rockawayrooms Hash Pipe Harry Join Date: Dec 1971 Posts: 2,046	Methadone is just as deadly as H is!! That really sucks man,very sorry to hear that. __________________ Any little song that you know, Everything that's small has to grow!!L.Zep

06-20-06, 19:57	#6 (permalink)
dead_diver Mycotopiate Join Date: Mar 1972 Posts: 775	I know alot of people, myself included, that consider methadone worse than smack. __________________ It would be thought a hard government, that should tax its people one-tenth part of their time, to be employed in its service. - Benjamin Franklin

06-20-06, 13:13	#2 (permalink)
b0b Mycophiliac Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 33	Sorry to hear about that. Yes, it is very possible to overdose on methadone. Many people have done it. I believe (not sure) that tolerance plays a factor. Taking alcohol with an opiate as strong as methadone is generally a bad idea since the depressing effects on the nervous system can be so great that the individual just stops breathing, and a whole mess of other serious problems can occur. Do not take any pharm for recreational use and think it is completely safe. Again, very sorry to hear about what happened.

06-20-06, 18:21	#3 (permalink)
SquaresandCubes Mycotopiate Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 330	Sorry to hear about that. Ive never done it myself but I have know several people that have had bad addictions to the drug with only a few to overcome that addiction. Most people Ive talked to say they do it so they dont do heroin. Opiates are dangerous and a bad road to go down. Much love to your friend and her boyfriends family.

06-20-06, 23:26	#10 (permalink)
SharkieJones Moderator Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 2,901	Sorry to hear about that death. __________________ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyVy5XHjuGI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPMXdc0JNS4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JdhiWmz0BE

06-21-06, 00:45	#11 (permalink)
ShadowBoom Mycophage Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 126	I really appreciate all your condolences.. its quite a shame. Such waste.. so much potential. __________________ Clear moon, quiet winds.

07-07-06, 13:10	#12 (permalink)
tbonus Mycotopiate Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 509	I was on methadone for 3 long years,before that I was addicted to any kind of opiate I could get my hands.I'm now in the process of kicking cold turkey. This is by far the worst pain I've ever been in,but I know that when its over my life will better than it ever was.For anybody out there who is struggling with this awful disease,please know that your not alone,and you can do it!!!! __________________ TWO WRONGS DONT MAKE A RIGHT, BUT THREE RIGHTS MAKE A LEFT!

07-29-06, 10:16	#14 (permalink)
tbonus Mycotopiate Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 509	Thanks cf, it's a real struggle because methadone becomes so much more to an addict than just a daily fix, it is an emotional,physical,and pyscological crutch that you cant live without,unless the proper help is received.GOOD LUCK to all that are struggling. __________________ TWO WRONGS DONT MAKE A RIGHT, BUT THREE RIGHTS MAKE A LEFT!

06-09-08, 17:51	#15 (permalink)
5thHorsemen VIP Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 144	Methadone kills Just got a phone call today informing me that one of my close friends overdosed on methadone. Wish I would have told him he looked like shit, he got it only a week before. All I can do is remember the good times. I have never done it and didn't realize that it was a very serious drug. Just a warning to fellow mycotopians. __________________ I walk the line, but I draw my own

06-09-08, 18:01	#16 (permalink)
eastwood Mycotopiate Join Date: Jul 1972 Posts: 1,902	My condolences 5thhorseman.I also had a friend to die from methadone.He started on them monday.That friday he came home an layed down after he got back from the methadone clinic and never woke up. RIP Cruze

06-09-08, 18:40	#17 (permalink)
livewire420 VIP Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 2,241	yup a lot of my friends have passed from this drug and many others. o.c.'s, fentanyl patches and suckers, morphine patches, and methadone. shit it about got me too. i had done 6 40's oc, 4 fentanyl suckers "dont remember milligram", and 2 fentanyl patches "dont remember milligram", but one patch i thought was out i put into my mouth and put a new one one cause they lasted 72 hrs or some shit. all i know is when i woke up i seen this gaint needle in my chest. i jumped to my feet and tried to run but it just dropped to the floor. good thing my friends was there to save my ass and to take all the drugs out the place b4 calling the boys. i would've been screwed cause i had a hp of herb and a o of blow on my plus scales, but im glad that shit is the past now. my choice of drugs is mushrooms i do nothin else. sorry to here about your friend.... __________________ lw420's guide to great fungi grow info

06-09-08, 18:47	#18 (permalink)
JohnQShroomer Serial Shroomer Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 201	Sorry for your loss. Isn't that what killed Anna Nicole Smith? __________________ "The snozzberries taste like snozzberries."

06-09-08, 19:22	#19 (permalink)
dizzydank damn its humid Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 3,159	damn thas shitty. __________________

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06-09-08, 20:25	#21 (permalink)
weed4all space traveler Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 887	methadones some shit man. the worst part is that it's so easy to get now. i knew 3 kids personally who died from mixin done with xannies or alcohol and have seen atleast a dozen deaths in the paper or on the news in the last year and a half. and thats just in my general area. __________________

06-11-08, 11:05	#25 (permalink)
TVCasualty Embrace Your Damage Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 2,958	This is getting more common, I've lost some folks recently to combos of methadone and xanax, and methadone and vicodin. Others I talked to about it had never heard of such combos being fatal, and they were people who were taking those combos! They looked pale when I told them what had killed the folks I knew; when they looked back on a few past 'incidents' they realized they'd actually had near-death experiences. I've been told by active and former junkies that methadone is a shorter leash than heroin; heroin lasts a lot longer, so you have more time before you need to hit it again. Methadone keeps you closer to home, supposedly. Can anyone confirm or deny this? I'm a little curious... __________________ The danger of an adventure is worth a thousand days of ease and comfort- Paulo Coelho

06-11-08, 12:08	#26 (permalink)
feralronin ... Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 732	Its really simple everyone. 1 combo that you don't do is Methadone and xanax. I have seen many people that I used to go to the clinic pass on doing this, and the clinic will warn people about the combo. I have been diagnosed as having social anxiety disorder and needed to be prescribed something for it when I was on methadone. But you couldn't find a doctor anywhere who would even think about writing me a script for a benzo while I was on the methadone. With that said I have done the combo before, and it is pleasant and small doses. The problem from what I hear is that on high doses of methadone, people tend to (I would alot) nod out, added with the xanax people would usually die from respiratory arrest where they would simply stop breathing. I know that in New Orleans after the hurricane they had a huge problem with people ODing on this combo, after they couldn't get their supply of H and as always pharmacueticals are always around. Just be careful guys and gals, this shit is nothing to mess with.

06-12-08, 20:25	#29 (permalink)
TVCasualty Embrace Your Damage Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 2,958	Thanks for that reply; it was informative. I've learned to be grateful that I don't really know much about this stuff except through the occasional friend who falls away. __________________ The danger of an adventure is worth a thousand days of ease and comfort- Paulo Coelho

06-12-08, 20:37	#30 (permalink)
Doctor D (Not a real doctor) Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,403	Abbr. was right on the money. A good shot of heroin can wear off in 6 hours or so. A stable dose of methadone will hold a person comfortably for 24 hours, maybe even 48 hours if they don't think about it. A lot of that pre-withdrawal symptom feeling is mental panic "Oh my god I'm going to get sick!" BS; it feeds into itself making you feel worse, but in reality the withdrawal from methadone is very slight after 24 hours. Suboxone is a life saver, except all the criminal-minded junkies trying to rip off the doctors have forced the doctors to now start implementing the same sort of measures that methadone clinics have (drug tests, pill counting, etc.). As is always the case, a select few assholes have to ruin a good thing for everybody. Makes it harder for us addicts who are truly serious about recovery.

06-13-08, 00:03	#31 (permalink)
Nightwind Mycophiliac Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 59	friend of mine died two days ago from done. and to her and your mate,at this time I honour them