Stephen hawkings' concerns about ET

[carpo4]

ok,
i admit,
it was a long shot!
but when dealing with creatures from another planet
fantastical measures are needed!
perhaps if and when the threat is finally posed
the black ops will swing into action
and technology akin to this will be brought into play.

[vrooota]

I remember IT. They made a lot of noise about IT and then hoped we'd all forget when they realized that IT was unfeasible or whatever. But I remeber...cuz shredder reminded me, lol
....Or maybe IT is among us.... sorry hip for contributing to the silly rabbit rails in your thread
peace

[Hippie3]

back on topic-
i'd say the very first step would be
to unite this planet under one government.
we wouldn't want nation-states screwing things up,
one's taking potshots while another's trying to sell out,
one gets a big tek edge and uses that against the others,
etc.
Hostile ETs surely would find our current division works to
their advantage, no unified earth defense command even possible.

[skullfarmer]

some south american shamans believe we are already hideing from something right now.ayahausca has given them visions of or creators and they are large reptile like beings from outer space that were run off of there home planet and are being hunted.they came to earth and took the form of all living things.this is why people like the aztecs believed their god was a winged reptile and made statues of snakes with wings.
i think we need to stockpile guns and watch independance day over and over.its our only hope! lol

[Hippie3]

they are large reptile like beings from outer space

yeah, i met them on my 1st 'huasca vision,
they told me they were the rightful
masters of the universe
but i think they're big fat liars.

[viraljimmy]

There are no aliens out there to worry about.

We will make plenty of nightmares ourselves
right here.

[Hippie3]

how do you know there's no one out there in such a huge universe ?
i sure wouldn't make an assumption like that.

[taoistshredder]

"they told me they were the rightful
masters of the universe
but i think they're big fat liars."

Oooohhhh,
look out,
if they're gods they might smite you!
And if they're aliens I'd think they'd
find a more effective means of communication
than fucking people up with a random plant.
But I do kind of agree with Jimmy, still,
I don't think there are any aliens out there to worry about.
We're all going to die, and most likely like in that
holocaust thread, but I sincerely doubt
that the apocalypse of humanity will be aliens.
I have more faith in diseases and bombs.
I wish it was aliens, though...then life would be really interesting,
either lots of friendly new technology,
or a war against colonizers that I would want to fight for.
Wouldn't it be ironic if the globalization of world powers,
the consolidation of these different countries,
was actually because of an alien invasion, like in ID4, at the end:
fuck our differences - we've got a big problem here!
I think that would be really interesting.

[Hippie3]

Wouldn't it be ironic if the globalization of world powers,
the consolidation of these different countries,
was actually because of an alien invasion, like in ID4, at the end:
fuck our differences - we've got a big problem here!

you know,
rumors abound that
this belief is why
pres. reagan started his star wars program.
some think we [usa] even fired a nuclear-powered xray laser at an ET
and offer video 'proof' in some film shot live out the cargo bay of
the space shuttle.
shortly after that footage was public,
NASA changed their policy and now no longer
allows cameras to point towards earth
unless specifically authorized to do so.
the truth is out there....

[Hippie3]

if they're aliens I'd think they'd
find a more effective means of communication
than fucking people up with a random plant.

nothing random about inbibing a huasca brew,
it requires both knowledge and intelligent intent.

[taoistshredder]

But I think that intent is human, not alien; it might have been rationalized as divine or out-of-this-world, but is it really? I keep wondering about all this "power of the shroom" stuff - there's some hardcore hallucinogens out there - it makes me wonder if they are a link to another world, or a communicae, or if they allow us to better understad ourselves, or the world, or the world through ourselves or ourselves through the world. Drugs facinate me, because I see so many that are just chemicals that induce reactions but then I see these others that people call enethogens, and I wonder how drugs qualify. I've opened up a can of worms here, I can feel it. I guess the idea that drugs are a guide to a spiritual realm is as valid as that they'd introduce us to aliens; it's just changes in neurochemical reactions based in an ingested chemical, though, isn't it? Or is it?

[Hippie3]

i'm somewhere in between on those beliefs,
i don't see visions are factual or as spiritual,
instead i see 'entheogens' as a sort of
chemical 'key' that opens/closes certain barriers/doors
in our brain, allowing us access to data
not normally available to our conscious mind.
this could include such phenomena as
'racial memory' or telepathic empathy, psychological archetypes,
etc.

[taoistshredder]

My brain strikes me as kind of like the internet. It holds a lot of information and can be asscess easily as long as you know what you're looking for. Sort of like the idea that you can run a search on Google for something and it will give you lots of hits, but that only 10% of the pages out there that cover that, they just haven't gotten on a searchboard yet. A funny analogy but one that works for me. I remember when I first came here, talking about "The Boogyman Door," and how I still think about it that way sometimes. What I wonder is if there's a point to it - if all this experience will lead me somewhere, since for some it tends to lead them places, destructive or constructive. Time will tell, I suppose; I just get sick of hearing this stupid generalizations about "drugs'll fuck with your brain, man," or "if you keep smoking weed, it'll make you stupid." Grrr. lol People like my father, who when I say things about philosophy about there being no real time or space and it's all an illusion, he says, "Are you on drugs again?" Again?!!! I never stopped! But he thinks I have because I'm honestly not much different when I'm on drugs as off. Except speed. Or opiates. If I'm on either of those, you can usually tell. Or alcohol. But weed or light levels of hallucinogens don't effect me as much, which is why I smoke as much as I do, I like to be influenced without losing control; I just wonder why it is that all the people my father has known that have smoked have fucked up their lives and he knows no successful people that smoke - makes me wonder if they're just paranoid to tell him they're a successful pothead like I am. It's funny to see my little brother going through the same stuff now that he's just in college. Do we make these aliens and gods to guide us, to help us rationalize our existence better? Or are they real? Am I a pagan that will burn or is this all just random quarks that we will join together in later anyway? So many questions, so short of a lifetime...

[Hippie3]

he knows no successful people that smoke

didn't he see paul sing at the super bowl ?

[taoistshredder]

lmao

I try to make these arguments and they just don't work.

My father would probably just say Paul's an alien.

[shedthemonkey]

And I thought Reagan's "Star Wars" was just a lot of expensive vapor ware that was designed mostly to bankrupt the USSR way back in the cold war. But what do I know?

[littlefaucher]

ET could come to the planet anyday. I'm not too concerned knowing that I'm far more likely to die from a man-made disaster or overdosing than aliens coming here and killing us all.

WORD!

[vrooota]

Originally Posted by Hippie3

i'm somewhere in between on those beliefs,
i don't see visions are factual or as spiritual,
instead i see 'entheogens' as a sort of
chemical 'key' that opens/closes certain barriers/doors
in our brain, allowing us access to data
not normally available to our conscious mind.
this could include such phenomena as
'racial memory' or telepathic empathy, psychological archetypes,
etc.

Was it Aldous Huxley and his experiences with mescaline that brought that type of idea to light? Yeah now I remember, Doors of Perception and all of that, I think I wrote a pooorly recieved paper about that in highschool. His theory that we developed a limited level of conciousness with data filters in order to survvive w/o being distracted by the incredible things that psychedelics can show you. Early humans needed to concentrate on finding enough to eat, but now that we're are advanced enough to appreciate the wide open universe, we find these interseting little keys to things that we never thought our brains were capable. Which takes us back to the ET issue...why are they here? Why on EARTH would a mushroom produce psilly? Does it have a metabolic purpose to the organism itself? Not that I'm aware of....Or did god/aliens/whatever drop these goodies for us and lay back to wait for us to discover that the straight-forward day-to-day is not all there is by a long shot.
Oh-and shredder I feel ya on the father issue, now that I've gained a little perspective on things, I realize my dad's a pretty cool guy, I know he used to smoke, and I know he isn't stupid, but religion and American-style success can, I think, put blinders on the best of us.

[Hippie3]

His theory that we developed a limited level of conciousness with data filters in order to survvive w/o being distracted by the incredible things that psychedelics can show you. Early humans needed to concentrate on finding enough to eat, but now that we're are advanced enough to appreciate the wide open universe, we find these interseting little keys to things that we never thought our brains were capable.

although i've never read the book
and came to my conclusions on my own
i can agree with the essence there.

[vrooota]

Interesting that the same drugs would inspire the same theories in different people.
The science behind that work was based on ideas that I'm sure are at least not considered current or maybe not even remotely true anymore becasue noone talks about it, but I'll bring it up real quick: The early findings that Mescaline and other hallucinogens deprive certain parts of the brain of oxygen and thus effectively shut down this filter of conciousness that may or may not have basis in reality. My understanding of the current scientific model is that they act on tryptamine systems though (seritonin, ect) and have nothing to do with O2 deprivation. However its near impossible to know any of this for sure until legitimate, untainteed research on these chemicals is allowed to continue. I apologize if you just wanted to talk about ET but this seems to be the direction the thread itself is taking, maybe "entheogens in relation to ET"?

[carpo4]

some south american shamans believe we are already hideing from something right now.ayahausca has given them visions of or creators and they are large reptile like beings from outer space that were run off of there home planet and are being hunted.they came to earth and took the form of all living things.

yeah, i met them on my 1st 'huasca vision,
they told me they were the rightful
masters of the universe
but i think they're big fat liars.

here's an extract from 'cosmic serpent' by james narby:

"My research revealed that in the early 1960s, anthropologist Michael Harner had gone to the Peruvian Amazon to study the culture of the Conibo Indians. After a year or so he had made little headway in understanding their religious system when the Conibo told him that if he really wanted to learn, he had to drink ayahuasca. Harner accepted, not without fear, because the people had warned him that the experience was terrifying. The following evening, under the strict supervision of his indigenous friends, he drank the equivalent of a third of a bottle. After several minutes he found himself falling into a world of true hallucinations.

He saw that his visions emanated from "giant reptilian creatures" resting at the lowest depths of his brain. These creatures began projecting scenes in front of his eyes. "First they showed me the planet Earth as it was eons ago, before there was any life on it. I saw an ocean, barren land, and a bright blue sky. Then black specks dropped from the sky by the hundreds and landed in front of me on the barren landscape. I could see the ‘specks’ were actually large, shiny, black creatures with stubby pterodactyl-like wings and huge whale-like bodies.... They explained to me in a kind of thought language that they were fleeing from something out in space. They had come to the planet Earth to escape their enemy. The creatures then showed me how they had created life on the planet in order to hide within the multitudinous forms and thus disguise their presence. Before me, the magnificence of plant and animal creation and speciation–hundreds of millions of years of activity–took place on a scale and with a vividness impossible to describe. I learned that the dragon-like creatures were thus inside all forms of life, including man."

At this point in his account, Harner writes in a footnote at the bottom of the page: "In retrospect one could say they were almost like DNA, although at that time, 1961, I knew nothing of DNA."

I had not paid attention to this footnote previously. There was indeed DNA inside the human brain, as well as in the outside world of plants, given that the molecule of life containing genetic information is the same for all species. DNA could thus be considered a source of information that is both external and internal–in other words, precisely what I had been trying to imagine.

I plunged back into Harner’s book, but found no further mention of DNA. However, a few pages on, Harner notes that "dragon" and "serpent" are synonymous. This made me think that the double helix of DNA resembled, in its form, two entwined serpents.

The reptilian creatures that Harner had seen in his brain reminded me of something, but I could not say what. After rummaging around my office for a while, I put my hand on an article called "Brain and Mind in Desana Shamanism" by Gerardo Reichel-Dolmatoff. Paging through it, I was stopped by a Desana drawing of a human brain with a snake lodged between the two hemispheres.

Several pages further into the article, I came upon a second drawing, this time with two snakes. According to Reichel-Dolmatoff, within the fissure "two intertwined snakes are lying.... In Desana shamanism these two serpents symbolize a female and male principle, a mother and a father image, water and land...; in brief, they represent a concept of binary opposition which has to be overcome in order to achieve individual awareness and integration. The snakes are imagined as spiralling rhythmically in a swaying motion from one side to another."

Concerning the Desanas’ main cosmological beliefs, Reichel-Dolmatoff writes: "The Desana say that in the beginning of time their ancestors arrived in canoes shaped like huge serpents."

I was astonished by the similarities between Harner’s account, based on his hallucinogenic experience with the Conibo Indians in the Peruvian Amazon, and the shamanic and mythological concepts of an ayahuasca-using people living a thousand miles away in the Colombian Amazon. In both cases there were reptiles in the brain and serpent-shaped boats of cosmic origin that were vessels of life at the beginning of time."

[carpo4]

you know,
rumors abound that
this belief is why
pres. reagan started his star wars program.

here's an extract from an article at ufoindia.com:

"Reagan upped the stakes again by including the "alien threat" [again], not in a domestic speech but to a full session of the General Assembly of the United Nations. Towards the end of his speech to the Forty-second Session on September 21, 1987, the President said that, "in our obsession with antagonisms of the moment, we often forget how much unites all the members of humanity. Perhaps we need some outside, universal threat to make us recognize this common bond.

"I occasionally think," continued Reagan, "how quickly our differences worldwide would vanish if we were facing an alien threat from outside this world. And yet, I ask" -- here comes the clincher -- "is not an alien force ALREADY among us?" The President now tries to retreat from the last bold statement by posing a second question: "What could be more alien to the universal aspirations of our peoples than war and the threat of war?" Unlike the off-the-cuff remarks to the Fallston High School, we must assume that the President's speech to the General Assembly was written very carefully and likewise, it merits close examination. Ronald Reagan has told us that he thinks often about this issue, yet nobody seems to be paying attention. When the President mentioned last May 4 in Chicago for the third time the possibility of a threat by "a power from another planet," the media quickly dubbed it the "space invaders" speech, relegating it to a sidebar in the astrology flap. The ET remark was made in the Q&A period following a speech to the National Strategy Forum in Chicago's Palmer House Hotel, where he adopted a more conciliatory tone towards the Soviet Union.
Significantly, Reagan's remark was made during his response to the question, "What do you consider to be the most important need in international relations?"

"I've often wondered," the President told us once again, "what if all of us in the world discovered that we were threatened by an outer -- a power from outer space, from another planet." And then he emphasized his theme that this would erase all the differences, and that the "citizens of the world" would "come together to fight that particular threat..."

and:

" "At our meeting in Geneva, the U.S. President said that if the earth faced an invasion by extraterrestials, the United States and the Soviet Union would join forces to repel such an invasion. I shall not dispute the hypothesis, though I think it's early yet to worry about such an intrusion..."
Notice that Gorbachev doesn't say this is an incredible proposition, he just says that it's too early to worry about it. "

[carpo4]

some think we [usa] even fired a nuclear-powered xray laser at an ET
and offer video 'proof' in some film shot live out the cargo bay of
the space shuttle.

here's a link to a site with a low res. clip of an anomalous incident above the earth's surface
recorded by the s.s. discovery crew.
i wonder if this is what you're referring to, hip?
for those interested
it's the 1st sequence available (click 'shuttle launch' image).
note however that the quality is poor.
a much clearer

[carpo4]

nothing random about inbibing a huasca brew,
it requires both knowledge and intelligent intent.

indeed, if i remember correctly (again, from narby's 'cosmic serpent'),
when the yage-using peoples were asked as to how they came about discovering the brew,
they said the plants themselves had guided them.

[carpo4]

maybe "entheogens in relation to ET"?

well, i often wonder if my own ufo experiences are due to my use of entheogens.
my early sightings of orbs were around the time i used to smoke a lot of grass
and recent ones have coincided with the post-peak stage of mushroom trips.
i've not just seen them whilst in this state
but perhaps the brain was still carrying around enough of the psychoactive chemicals
to allow it to be at that level which allows consciousness to access this realm
or, alternatively,
et/orbs are able to sense an individual in an entheogened state
and get-off on it sufficiently to want to get close enough to soak-up some of the 'energy'.
a recent edition of the fortean times
has a letter from a reader responding to a previous editions mention of orbs in Richmond Park,
an area i used to live near
and around which i had my first orb experiences.
i don't have the edition in which the origanal mention is made
but here's an extract from the letter itself:

"I was a little bit excited to read about the "orb of light" spotted in Richmond Park [FT187:12]. I have lived in Richmond all my life, and as a teenager I looked up to my sister and her friends who were older than me. I remember my sister's boyfriend of the time telling me about the strongest hallucinogen he had ever taken. Under its influence, he had headed off into Richmond Park at night by himself. Near the Richmond/Roehampton area he spotted a glowing orb of white light moving among the trees. After a while it approached him, and a hand appeared and beckoned him, at which point he got scared and ran away.
Now I have always thought a combination of "Yo dude, cool" and "You nutter, stay away from drugs" about this story until I saw the picture in FT, being exactly as he described it. It is worth noting that the only reason he described the drug as strong was because he took this to be a very vivid hallucination. Up to that point, and after it, it was not particularly impressive."

[Hippie3]

his visions emanated from "giant reptilian creatures" resting at the lowest depths of his brain. These creatures began projecting scenes in front of his eyes. "First they showed me the planet Earth as it was eons ago, before there was any life on it. I saw an ocean, barren land, and a bright blue sky. Then black specks dropped from the sky by the hundreds and landed in front of me on the barren landscape. I could see the ‘specks’ were actually large, shiny, black creatures with stubby pterodactyl-like wings and huge whale-like bodies.... They explained to me in a kind of thought language that they were fleeing from something out in space. They had come to the planet Earth to escape their enemy. The creatures then showed me how they had created life on the planet in order to hide within the multitudinous forms and thus disguise their presence. Before me, the magnificence of plant and animal creation and speciation–hundreds of millions of years of activity–took place on a scale and with a vividness impossible to describe. I learned that the dragon-like creatures were thus inside all forms of life, including man."

i had a very similar vision
on my very first husaca voyage.
not exact in every detail
but remarkably close.

[Hippie3]

here's a link to a site with a low res. clip of an anomalous incident above the earth's surface
recorded by the s.s. discovery crew.
i wonder if this is what you're referring to, hip?

i do believe it is.

[Hippie3]

"Reagan upped the stakes again by including the "alien threat" [again], not in a domestic speech but to a full session of the General Assembly of the United Nations

i watched him give that speech,
kind of chilling to hear the president
speaking so candidly to the whole world.