Shamanism , Science and Reincarnation and Higher Realms And Drugs

[craigwhite21]

I wrote this paper a while ago I think it would be close to getting published if I decided to extend it a bit, I thought I would share it with you all in answer to the poll what is god. Didn't know whether to put it in there but it is a bit long so thought Id put it here.

Shamanism , Science and Reincarnation and Higher Realms and the affect of drugs to access them.

This may sound like fantasy but remember they say truth is stranger than fiction, I have researched these things for two years and found them to be mostly true apart from any minor details that might be slightly off. Quantem physics and science back up my findings so does the underbelly of hidden history that historians reject.

There you will find a lot more about this ancient tradition that seems to have been lost to common knowledge. I believe jesus was a kind off mystic that had similar believes but in a different light, and the church has lost the original teachings. These believes also tie in with quantem physics, which says there is many different worlds or strings right next to each other. A shamen can contact this other world by getting his energies or brainwaves to leave his bodie. Sometimes using drums to change his brainwave pattern or by taking hallucigenics.

Jesus was in a kind of mystery school which taught simmilar things. He was also around at a close age to platos (400 yrs l8er) who believed in the same. The shamens and the ancient greeks and also most ancient cultures believed in many gods, demigods or angels all controlled by one main God who was the supreme master of the universe. There is ancient stories which tie in with biblical view that gods came down to teach humans culture, but started to breed with humans. And this caused god to make the first flood as these unisons where considered unholy. I believe god comes down in many forms many times, to guide us in a new way, or to evolve us. I believe like in quantem physics there are many strings, there are many dimensions of light in different puritys, and there is a level of light above us, which our souls go to in between lifes.

There is references to reincarnation in the bible however these have been removed by the catheloic church. Life is like a cycle getting purer and purer as you go up the strings. I believe this is what pilots have seen going at high speeds, balls of light from these higher strings or dimensions. These have also been seen near crops circles, I believe crops circles are created by vibrations from these higher planes. I also believe that these demi-gods or angels are a part of us, just as we are a part of gods soul, therefore no-one is eternally damned, but until we learn better or become pure enough we are doomed to return to earth in a cycle.

This earth is between heaven and hell, we feel joy and pain. But I believe there is a pure place but we have to earn this first. Plato and some of the Greatest philsophers believed in the same things and where part of a mystery school which taught the inner mysterys of the scriptures hidden in the text. The outer meanings and symbols where to hide the meanings within until the initiate was pure enough to have this knowledge. Thereby giving access to relegion to the masses without giving away all there secrets.

You hear this in references to god being a light etc in the bible. On these higher levels I believe we are conciesness without form or material bodies, therefore we are away from material wants and gains, this is also what the egyptions taught if you understand the symbolism correctly. Bassically we are gods on this plane and need to wake up to our responsibilites as co creaters. I also believe everything is constantly moving to a higher dimension, it might seem like ages in our time frame, but on a higher level of light, it would happen instantly.

A day spent in the higher realms would be like a year here. This is also the cause of suffering because we haven't moved through the levels of light yet, so we have to learn, this planet has some light or love filtering through it, but we need to wake up and increase that light through postive thought. It has also been proven that our thoughts have an effect on our enviroment. A buddist meditating on water has been shown to change the chemical structure.

I finish at this final point which is all this information is glaring us in the face through our science, and mythology, myths contain kernals of truth which have been passed from generation, and changed and exaggerated. But the central truth remains correct. And these things are there to be read and discovered and staggeringly simple if only we where willing to believe that what we considered to be true isn't quite how it really is.
It is this we need to change, if we are ever to change as a race.

[Hippie3]

I have tested these things rigurously and found them to be true.

hmm.

Jesus was in a kind of mystery school which taught simmilar things. He was also around at the time plato who believed in the same.

hey, wait a minute-
Plato lived some 400 years before Jesus.

There is references to reincarnation in the bible however these have been removed by the catheloic church.

document that claim.
if these were removed how do you know it ?

[craigwhite21]

I should of wrote around about the same period of time as plato, and I have tested these some of these things rigurously and researched rigurously I should maybe say such as sending energys with my hands etc. Also the data is world wide on people that have had similar experiances of light etc. There is that much which seems to be separate that fits together when you look at it in the correct light that it is past coincidence. Try holding your hands above your head next time tripping you should feel a magnet. Apart from that what I have wrote is near enough accurate. Please excuse any small mistakes. I ain't versed in just the one subject but a wide range ive read about, so it's easy to make small mistakes, but my general ideas are good.

[Hippie3]

that's like saying
that you & i are both living
around the same time
as william shakespeare,
eg. way off.

vs.

400 years is a long time by any human standard.
if you are going to come before the world
announcing that you have carefully researched and concluded
that you know the TRUTH
then by god you damn well better
get your facts straight
if you want any credibility.

[craigwhite21]

I meant I had done alot of research and my general premise was accurate but I take the critisism on board I will change it. But my general idea is right and like I said I meant around the same timeframe in longscale as plato. There ive changed it

[Hippie3]

i notice that you have spent
a whole two years
researching the nature of god, universe & life.
don't you think it might be just a wee bit
presumptuous, even arrogant perhaps
to announce that after two whole years
you figured out the answers for questions that the
rest of mankind has wrestled with for a few dozen centuries ?
do you think just maybe it'd be good to spend some more time,
do some more research and think on this a bit longer,
maybe even your entire life ?

[craigwhite21]

I didn't say I had all the answers, I am just sharing some with the rest of you afterall thats how people come to a conclusion. I am just saying that I have learned some things including that we can send energys with our hands and have the ability to affect our enviroment with our thoughts. I walked past the full moon on acid and felt an energy, the clouds swirled round to make an eye. I have since learned it was the eye of osirus. I have since seen this written on egyption texts. I believe some kind of knowledge was magnetically transferred to my brain. Why do you think witches are pictured as flying on broomsticks to the moon. Or that the pagans conducted there rituals when the moon/sun and/or stars where in certain conjuntions. Everything around us is just energy our brain processes it. I am not trying to be smart or say I know it all or pre-sume. I am just sharing what I know, so some constructive critism would be appreciated rather than cynism. The ancients new about these things and as for the eye I saw it is on your american dollor above a pyramid. The pyramids where in line with energys, what do you think you feel on dmt, it is your brain opened up to these energys.

[TrippyGurl87]

that is very very true!!!!!!

[Hippie3]

I believe some kind of knowledge was magnetically transferred to my brain.

dude....



see http://forums.mycotopia.net/showthread.php?t=10222 (On the Effectiveness of Aluminium Foil Helmets:)

[craigwhite21]

Ha Ha But seriously hippe3 that shit did happen and check the american dollor it has got the same eye above a pyramid. Im not trying to show off, but think everything is Electro-magnetic-frequencys isn't it. So there could be beings right next to us that we can't percieve and all information comes in through these strings, whether through vision the eyes etc. But I think the world is a part of us and we are part of it and in actual fact we are just one being. We just appear separate. What if the earth is like a giant magnet filling up with the suns rays, taking in information like a giant brain. Just like our own brains, I have read that sun-spots relate to moods and swings in behaviour. Like I said I am not trying to say I know it all, just share an experiance. Take how you like it. I know I pissed you off but I hope your not holding a grudge with me from the over day. As I really like this website and think the people on it are pretty cool and its a good site too learn.

[Hippie3]

just having a bit of fun at your expense,
no real offense is intended,
it's just too tempting of a target to pass up..

[craigwhite21]

Hey I read the thing about aluminum hats, pretty funny. But I ain't that bad, but I do believe trips open up your sub-conciesus to information. Just like when you think of someone and they phone you, or you and your mate comes out with something at the same time. You know how you feel yourself fall when you sleep. I believe that is your soul falling into your body. It is your brain-waves leaving, they have measured radio-waves leaving when you die. Can information not come in the same way if your mind is opened using chemicals. Some people who meditate produce the same chemicals we get when on acid by meditating. There has been studys to say as much.

[craigwhite21]

Originally Posted by Hippie3

just having a bit of fun at your expense,
no real offense is intended,
it's just too tempting of a target to pass up..

Thats cool I did find the hats pretty funny, have you had any experiances with energy while tripping, next time you trip imagine sending energy with your hands or holding them above your head it should feel like a magnet also try sending the energy to someone else and see if it works(The only thing to be careful off is pushing the energys away from your head push them down intoo yourself). I actually healed my pals shoulder after learning this(I was amazed myself). I also went to one of them spirtual churchs after what happened on acid and they held hands above me and I felt a kinda energy coming down. This is how I learned about it. But check out your dollor with the eye above the pyramid that is the eye I saw. Freaky eh. Have you seen David Blaine levitating on TV he has the eye on his hand, however I think hes pretty fucked up now from the last time I seen him on telly. This is why I want to try DMT next to learn more about the powers of the sub-conciesus.

[lucysmiling]

Wow, thats a great Pic! Now i know why when you walk behind condos and such everyone has those dishes.
Thanks for the insight

[Hippie3]

btw
a major solar flare is about the hit the earth right about
now...
put on your helmets.

[craigwhite21]

Shit I didn't have enough time to put mines on, I feel allright. Well I think I do. Urghh?? What where we talking about again??

[Xerces]

Hey Craig, let me tell you that I share part of your theory, and believe it to be bits and parts of true reality.
As a matter of fact, many things in your theory have been proven, as the relation between mysticality/occultism and different levels of concioussness with things Jesus said and how the universe is just a reflection of the mind.

Obviously its a bigger picture than that, but Hippie, why are you constantly trying to go against it basing on technicalities?

He is just pointing his point of view, what if he has had a vision, he wouldn't be the first...

[craigwhite21]

Thanks man, I have been too a site evolution vs creation and tried to tell them we have evolved but also we have been created. Ideas work best when they are put together. I even told them about healing energys and it can be measured(Yet again established fact) also I told them plants can feel vibrations. People aren't ready for change until they've been through an experiance like ours or seen it for themselve I think. I believe it is the two sides of the mind fighting. Devil against God so too speak. Our right-side is the creative connecting together mind, where love come from. Our left-side is I want, I need physical side, but that ain't the true us the truth is we are an energy trapped inside a body and until we realize that I believe we come back to earth in a cycle of reincarnation. We have too get out of that cycle. This is why people hypnotised remember past lives etc. Why shamens practice ego-loss etc. It all fits in, there is too-many patterns for it too be untrue. While I don't doubt I have some flaws in my theory on the whole it is correct. Look at Stephen Hawkings, I think because hes damaged his body he is closer to spirit, that is why he can come up with these amazing theorys.

[oibchip]

Before you publish that paper you may want to spell check.

[Hippie3]

Originally Posted by Xerces

...Hippie, why are you constantly trying to go against it basing on technicalities?...

because some people care about accuracy
esp. when we are talking about
truth.
besides
i do not need to justify myself to you,
i don't seek your validation.
my own motives are enough.


“As iron sharpens iron, so one man sharpens another”.
Proverbs 27:17

[oibchip]

Craig when you present YOUR beliefs as unbending facts to those who may have a differing opinion, you will be hard pressed to find many proponents.

Even if your ideas do have some validity.

[Hippie3]

esp. when you can't spell worth a crap
and cannot be bothered to turn on a spellchecker...
hard to convince anyone
that you are a fountain of wisdom
if you can't spell either word.

[shroom_seeker]

Craig - it seems to me that you are a little new to the game and flooded with feelings. I agree with some of what you say, but you are all over the board. It's tough to convince a crowd of experienced peeps that you've tapped into the truth when you jump from walking past the moon on acid to mentioning the eye in the dollar bill. Sharing thoughts and ideas is promoted here but starting your post out by saying this could be published and then dropping poorly spelled babble all over is just poor form.

[shroom_seeker]

Originally Posted by Hippie3

“As iron sharpens iron, so one man sharpens another”.
Proverbs 27:17

[oibchip]

uhhhuu....yup

[Hippie3]

Originally Posted by Hippie3

btw
a major solar flare is about the hit the earth right about
now...
put on your helmets.

think i was kidding ?
ha.
www.spaceweather.com

. A coronal mass ejection (CME) hit Earth today at approximately 1400 UT

[oibchip]

It actually impacted Earth?...I didn't see that part I only saw where it said it was hurled towards earth

[aumbrellaforainydays]

are we all gonna die??... before christmas?!

[Lefty]

Like your quote, Hip, good shit. How long 'til some $*@*#+#^* (less creative soul) uses it for a sig? I've certainly gleaned much from many here.
Where the hell did you get a pic of me recieving my Wednesday messages from my Universal Masters?
I recoil at the thought of entering the "shaman" debate.
Wiki sez this:
Shamanism refers to a range of traditional beliefs and practices similar to Animism that claim the ability to diagnose and cure human suffering and, in some societies, the ability to cause suffering. This is believed to be accomplished by traversing the axis mundi and forming a special relationship with, or gaining control over, spirits. Shamans have been credited with the ability to control the weather, divination, the interpretation of dreams, astral projection, and traveling to upper and lower worlds. Shamanistic traditions have existed throughout the world since prehistoric times.

Some anthropologists and religion scholars define a shaman as an intermediary between the natural and spiritual world, who travels between worlds in a trance state. Once in the spirit world, the shaman would commune with the spirits for assistance in healing, hunting or weather management. Ripinsky-Naxon describes shamans as, “People who have a strong interest in their surrounding environment and the society of which they are a part.”

Other anthropologists critique the term "shamanism", arguing that it is a culturally specific word and institution and that by expanding it to fit any healer from any traditional society it produces a false unity between these cultures and creates a false idea of an initial human religion predating all others. However, others say that these anthropologists simply fail to recognize the commonalities between otherwise diverse traditional societies.

Shamanism is based on the premise that the visible world is pervaded by invisible forces or spirits that affect the lives of the living. In contrast to animism and animatism, which any and usually all members of a society practice, shamanism requires specialized knowledge or abilities. It could be said that shamans are the experts employed by animists or animist communities. Shamans are not, however, often organized into full-time ritual or spiritual associations, as are priests.
Screw the "enthnogen" or "shaman" justification shit. I have gained through use of various substance, and certainly lost, but I don't try to lay it on some mystical pie-in-the-sky bullshit. I like drugs, I do not justify this with some tribal/amazonian/"My drug use isn't what it seems because I'm the spiritual leader of toilets everywhere, I'm soooo special" crap.

[oibchip]

I am one of those "sooo special" people.