Bulk PF Redspore

Hello,
So i thought that I might share this with the community. This is a 4" deep
Hpoo/Straw substrate that was spawned with rye grass seed. The strain
is PF's Redspore variety and is a substrain that was obtained through
sectioning on agar. The tub is about a week old and was spawned by
laying down an inch or so thick layer of pasteurized Hpoo/straw, then a
quart of spawn, then a layer of Hpoo/straw and then a layer of spawn and
so on until I got to the 4" mark; which is 5 quarts of spawn (used two in the
layer in the middle) to about 10 lbs of substrate. I didn't put any seed on
the top of the Hpoo/straw because I wanted to see how strong the rhizos
would be and I'm pretty happy with it. The outer edges colonized first
and are starting to knot up as I speak. I'm about to pasteurize verm/coir
at about a 70/30ish ratio and put a thin layer over the substrate (thin due
to the fact that part of the tub is starting to knot already and don't want
to suffocate the forming knots). I'm excited to see how this strain does
I will keep this thread updated as the tub progresses. wish me luck!
edit: the tub is a 54 qt. sterilite container

-DM-

[seymorebunz]

Damn that's huge, I'll keep my eye on this one.

Good Luck!!!

[Hippie3]

awesome

cool!
how are you gonna keep your fae and RH?

[ride-like-hell]

is that just a black trashbag? my foaf's terrariums are all full and now she is gonna follow your progress to see if she should use pf jars to bulk it up!

thanks for checking my thread. the RH is kept by the substrate itself.
I actually have had to wipe the lid down and pat dry the top of the sub
due to heavy condensation a couple times. I have a bunch of tiny holes
on the lid, with a larger amount of holes in the center of the lid (it's been
my experience that the edges receive more FAE from the tyvek covered
holes in the side of the tub; which caused the outer edges to colonize
faster). There is a fan blowing on the tub somewhat indirectly and I
air out the tub about once every couple days (don't like to leave it
completely non-aired out like the "mono" tubs; I have the time, so why
not, right?). Pasteurizing went like clockwork last night so I'm about to
case the beast. thanks for taking a look.

edit: Ride-like-hell... yes, thats a trash bag. that little black speck (not
sure if anyone noticed it) is just a little piece of the bag that I haven't
picked out yet. wanted to get more rubber gloves before I got it out.
didn't want to get my nasty finger nail grime on the sub.

-DM-

hello again,

Heres the newest update on these. It seems that the casing took well
and the substrate likes it. I'm glad that I went nice and thin on it. The
pins are fat with smaller sized caps than i'm used to, but from looking
about the site, this seems ok with this strain. I had to leave for a few
days so I'm thinking that the small amount of O2 and high levels of CO2
made em that way; I gave the tub a good fanning and hopefully they
start putting out some bigger caps. But there is an extremely large
number of pins in the tub and I'm pretty damn excited about it. Theres
pins that you can't even really see in the pics. Basically the whole casing
is covered in them; which can be a bad thing unless they all mature, but
since the substrate is 4" thick and as big as it is, I think they will. I'll
update as things progress. Enjoy!

-DM-

[Hippie3]

looks good to me

[Freaky]

Thats a great looking nice fat pinset! They're gonna be beautiful!

[eternalfrost]

love the rhizos climbing the wall in the back

about what size is that? length and width wise?

Thank you for the kind words and vote of confidence.

The measurements are about 19" X 4" X 13" (L,H,W) for the substrate.
I really wish I had a better camera that had macro on it for this tub.
There are so many tiny pins/knots that you can't see, but you'll see them
soon enough I suppose.

-DM-

[eternalfrost]

sounds nearly exactly what my buddy is doing.

check it out http://forums.mycotopia.net/fungi-gr...b-growlog.html (Straw and Manure Bulk Monotub Growlog)

its his first time with straw so its uncharted waters for him.

[the_chosen_one]

you are doing a great job with them

myself i've found them a bit touchy and unpredictable on bulk subs, but yours look really nice.

Hiya,

heres what the tub is doing today. the sub seems to be chuggin along
the center is a little bit behind the rest of the tub but the same kind of
clustering pins that are seen on the outer edges are in the middle to just
not as visible yet. I'm diggin it, needless to say.

-DM-

[Sunstar]

Nice job

[Freaky]

Those pins are great lookin'. I love the rhizo's showing through the casing.

I can't wait to see how they look in a few days

thanks! I can't wait as well (as you can see from the many pics)
I am a little worried, fuzz seems to be creeping up the pins; I can't
remember if that usually means the tub needs more FAE or if it should
be left alone without them. I'm also wondering if I should have cased
it a little thicker than I did. I could also just be having preflush worries
tho too. probably better to just leave it be giving it one FAE per day?
water is condensing on the top of the casing, I'm worried that might
make the pins start to abort also. This is why I only do a small amount
of bulk, I never know whats going on with the subs. Never really have
that problem with cakes. oh well... still happy, just a little concerned I
guess. thanks for looking!

-DM-

[prankster]

more light maby?

[eternalfrost]

as long as its not contamns, the white fluffy stuff at the bases is fine, it is actually mycelium just spreading up the stems. there are 3 main things which stimulates myc growth. no light, high CO2, and high humidity. these are all thins which you naturally find underground, where myc is supposed to grow.

when you get light, no CO2 and lower humidity, it signals the myc that it is above ground and should send out fruits there.

with tubs, if you have too much CO2, or too much humidity, the myc keeps on growing right up the stems. its not harmful but not ideal. usually a tad more FAE solves it but really its no biggie.

[Cowcharmer]

Your chamber looks a little dry.. Mist the walls man !

[Cowcharmer]

It could be that im looking at it wrong though. I looked at another pic and saw some water droplets.

[the_chosen_one]

Originally Posted by eternalfrost

as long as its not contamns, the white fluffy stuff at the bases is fine, it is actually mycelium just spreading up the stems. there are 3 main things which stimulates myc growth. no light, high CO2, and high humidity. these are all thins which you naturally find underground, where myc is supposed to grow.

when you get light, no CO2 and lower humidity, it signals the myc that it is above ground and should send out fruits there.

with tubs, if you have too much CO2, or too much humidity, the myc keeps on growing right up the stems. its not harmful but not ideal. usually a tad more FAE solves it but really its no biggie.

true, but it can lead to trouble with this strain if you don't increase your FAE. The PF family likes it a bit dryer than most. You'll be ok tho if you don't see too many aborts. once the little slimies set in yer in trouble.

still looking good tho

hey!

thanks for the positive feedback everyone, the low FAE's were spot on.
I gave the tub a huge amount of fresh air and it bounced right back;
before, caps were tearing from the stems prematurely and turning
blue... after the FAE's the pins perked up and are looking great.
I think that the four days and covering of the sub with tin foil early
on caused the no middle pinning; the edges had plenty of air but
the center did not, so I acclaim that to the slow middle fruits. BUT,
i've not given up on it yet, I'll hopefully get a nice second flush.
not that I'm upset with the first. It's still growing.. I'll post pics
tomorrow of it's "end".

-DM-

ok, well here are the pics, I suspect pics are nice. heres the end of this
adventure, I increased the FAE and this is the ending(ish) result..
thank you much for the expertise on the subject.. I think the tub would've
looked nicer due to the middle hading not being foiled, with daily FAE's.
not the neglected four days that the tub recieved.

-DM-

[kocos]

Man thats beautifull, was this done MS or is it an isolate? lOVE these plump fleshy fruits.

thank you! it's an isolate... really, the tub should've done better but
I think it's due to the center being foiled and not given the out-of-the
-gate-chance that it rightfully deserved.

-DM-

[kocos]

Well, we learn from our mistakes i would be satisified with the tray man, and u can always strive for the better.

[eternalfrost]

they do look a little squat and stunted but damn are they FAT.

its just the first flush right? you still should have a good 2-3 more tries to get it more to your liking on this tub though

thanks!

Yeah, I'm not upset at all. very happy and if i can just get the middle
to do what the edges did, I'll be ecstatic. definitely have a game plan now
and I have definitely learned a few things. I'm thinking about putting
a hose and fishtank bubbler hook up in the future bins for added fresh air
such pretty fruits from this strain. neat to see the red spores instead of the
purple. well, more "rust" color than anything. Think I'm going to let the
tub go a little longer, see if I can pull a little more weight from it. Then
I'm looking forward to seeing what the second flush can produce.

-DM-

[oibchip]

very nice..I hope your getting some prints!

[Hippie3]

classic pf fatass

[reverend trips]

They sure are Fatassed eh

Doesn't look like they are dropping a lot of spores, is this strain one of them hard to print strains?

[lost_onabbey_rd]

awsome job.. might not be the most even flush.. but i bet those fatties weigh a ton.
if i remember correctly rev. the PFR is a variation (substrain) of the PFClassic, and i don't know about anybody else but PFC's have always given me a really hard time when it comes to getting good prints, i ususally have to wait till atleast the 2nd flush to get them to drop anything.
lost

wow! very nice~

[eatyualive]

almost looks like koh samui.

Thanks.

I hope no one minds a few more last pics of this tub. They are just so
photogenic. These things are solid all the way through; very little hollowness
the are like big sponges. I started just leaving the lid off the tub for about
an hour each day after I saw that the pins were looking like they were
going to abort (the caps got the blue ring around the edges and started
breaking away from the stems early and there was condensation on
everything) Thanks for the help and good advice everyone. I'll post the
dry weight once it's obtained for those that are curious.

-DM-