HBWR pictorial extraction - Live

[LotRev]

Hey I'm about to get a bunch of HBWR seeds in and I'm going to extract the toxins with Ronsonol Light Fluid, in the hopes to avoid stomach cramps - how many times should I soak them? This will be my first experience with LSA, but it sounds interesting...however, my experiences have always proven to me that when things are legal, there is a reason for that, its not that great - any opinions?

[Elf Salvation]

2-3 times, accordingly.


ELF

[LotRev]

Thanks Elf -

Think those soaks should be overnight? hours? or days?

Is it cool to eat the seeds after the toxin extraction? or should I do a full alcohol extraction as well?

All of this to avoid what sounds like pretty bad stomach crams...

[Hippie3]

A Method for the Extraction and Usage of LSA from Hawaiian Baby Woodrose Seeds or Morning Glory Seeds (15 medium doses)

HBWR: To dose, you don't have to remove all the shell, but just take a pocket knife and scrape all the "dark-brown" stuff off until the seed is completely a "creme" color.

Items you will need:
128 HBWR seeds (No hulls); seeds only. Or 3,500 MG seeds.

A 50ml liquor bottle. These are the small 'airplane'-sized ones. It should state 50ml on it.
A quantity of non-polar solvent. Coleman's White gas is perfect.
190 proof Everclear, or Vodka. Ethanol. (Bacardi 151)
A small funnel comes in handy.
A couple small jars with good lids.
Some coffee filters.

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Extraction Instructions:

Grind the seeds to a powder in a coffee grinder. Place the powder into a small jar and pour in enough of the White gas to fully cover the seeds. You can't really use too much, but leave enough room so it shakes well. Screw on the lid and shake well for a few minutes. Let it sit for an hour or so, shaking every so often. Shaking is good.

Pour the seed / solvent solution through a coffee filter and let it drain. Putting the coffee filter into a funnel first works well. The solvent is no longer needed but can be re-used, so save it. Spread out the seed mush on the coffee filter which it is in, on a plate or something, and let the seeds fully dry out. You should smell no solvent when it's fully evaporated. It may take a couple of hours. Don't breathe the solvent fumes, if you can help it.

Once the seeds are fully dried place the powder into a clean small jar, with a good tight fitting lid. Fill the 50ml liquor bottle with your Ethanol (this is to measure it) and then dump that amount into the small jar with the seed powder. Shake well. This should sit for 3 days and shake it whenever you think of it.

Okay 3 days have passed, it's almost time. Again, stick a coffee filter in a funnel and then pour the Ethanol / Seed solution into the filter. Let it drain thoroughly. Once it's close you can squeeze out excess alcohol, but be careful not to break the filter. You can now discard the seeds, as the good stuff is in the alcohol solution that's left.

Now pour the solution into the 50ml liquor bottle and let it sit for a couple of hours. Any seed powder remaining in the solution will settle to the bottom. Once it has, pour off the alcohol, rinse the seed crap out of the bottle, and pour the alcohol solution back in. Add enough of the clean alcohol to fill the bottle and you're done. You now have 50ml of drinkable alcohol containing the extract from 150 HBWR seeds, which should be a yellowish, clear liquid, that looks much like tequila.

Normal dosage of HBWR is 5-12 seeds, MG about 200-400 seeds and it's easy to measure. You can either get an oral syringe at any drug store that has a 1-5ml gradated gauge on the side, or use measuring spoons. 1tsp=5ml of liquid. 1ml of the 'tincture' = 3 seeds. I've found that 3ml of the liquid works very well. Mix with water, or anything else.

This method works very well, is easy to dose, easy to prepare, and you should not experience any nausea. Also, because the LSA's are extracted they take way less longer to start working. Expect to feel the effects within an hour.

Keep your little bottle in the fridge. Heat is bad for all tryptamines.
Something to note: You can evaporate off the alcohol and you will be left with the alkaloids which you can put into gel caps etc. But, this is harder to dose, etc. I've found the alcohol method very easy and precise

[Hippie3]

http://forums.mycotopia.net/showthread.php?t=5080 (HBWR preparation: zero nausea quick onset guaranteed)

&

http://forums.mycotopia.net/showthread.php?t=3560 (HBWR seeds trip report)

[LotRev]

Haha, its funny how after a couple weeks of research, I kept making it to those threads over and over again - the best of the best I guess. However I would still like to know if anyone has done the toxin extraction and eaten them thereafter.


Thanks again Hippie

[LotRev]

Well I spoke too soon, one of those I have not seen -

thanks!!

[Hippie3]

[LotRev]

Hey guys, I hope someone is interested to hear more about this stuff -
I just now received the seeds, and I am going to start the extraction process with lighter fluid first -

HBWR Extraction Pictorial

I will post all the pictures, starting right now...here is the process in order with the pictures:

1. Got the package in the mail, some seeds and a card for Iamshaman.com
   hbwrseed.jpg
2. Not For Human Consumption
   donotconsume.jpg
3. The supplies needed for this extraction:
   Seeds, a glass, wick lighter fluid (Ronsonol here), a lighter, coffee filters, a grinder (in my case some plyers and sandwich bags) -
   sorry for the blurry picture, oh and who knows how that other stuff got in there, but trust me, it's needed
   supplies.jpg
4. 4 doses of 8 seeds each removed from bag
   32seeds.jpg
5. Proceed to flame each of the seeds with the lighter for a couple brief seconds to remove any hairiness on the shell
   flame.jpg
6. I did not have a grinder, so I put the seeds in a double sandwich bag and crushed them up with plyers from the outside of the bag
   crushing.jpg
7. Placed crushed up seeds and anything stuck in the bag into cup
   crushed.jpg
8. Take your Ronsonol/Zippo wick lighter fluid that contains Naphtha (they all do)
   fluid.jpg
   and cover the crushed seeds with enough fluid that they are all submerged and soaking
   hbwrsoak.jpg
9. Let the seeds soak and stir occassionally

OK, so thats where we are so far, I will continue to photograph and update, any suggestions would be appreciated.

[reverend trips]

[LotRev]

Also, does anyone think it would work to burn the lighter fluid off the seeds after each soak? Lighter fluid tends to burn it self up very quickly without transferring the heat...unless its soaked in, so I'm thinking it may burn them up.

[reverend trips]

I would think they would be saturated and probably best not to light them.

[LotRev]

Here is what came next:

It has been a 2-3 hours and I am doing the first strain

1. Mixture was poured into a cup filtered by one coffee filter - the filter is held with a rubberband
   strain.jpg
2. Here is the product -
   strain2.jpg
   Let it drain out until the lighter fluid has evaporated, I put it in the sunlight through the window

I may be heading out of town tonight. If so, I will soak the seeds in the lighter fluid overnight.

[Hippie3]

cool, nice to see pix.

[LotRev]

So I am back in town - left for the evening and arrived back now around 2:30

As I said in last post, the seeds have been in a second soak since I left, but I will not leave them all night, instead I am going to strain them in the coffee filter all night...

After that I will soak them in lighter fluid one more time for the whole day tomorrow, seeing as where I live you cannot buy liquor on sundays...lame

By the way, the only thing missing from the first picture set is the liquor, I will be using everclear as the second extractor.

[Elf Salvation]

I like where this is going!


ELF

[Hippie3]

edited for format.

[Soliver1]

Interesting - I'm curious to see how it turns out,
especially the final dosing.

I've heard varied reports on this stuff,
it'll be cool to have a firsthand pictoral
with results.

thanks!



soliver

[LotRev]

OK, thanks guys for checking this out, its great to have some interested people watching this thing - I am very interested to see the turn out as well - heres where we are...

I woke up this morning and the seed substance was completely dry from the fluid (thats good) - I let the cup sit in the window for the sun to hit it in the morning, so the fluid evaporated quickly.

As I said in the last post, I have a problem. I cannot go out to get any liquor for the next step, so now I have the seeds soaking ONE more time in the lighter fluid (same as the steps above). The plan is to finish the soak throughout the day, occassionally stirring - at that point I will strain it all out one more time, then on Monday, I will get the grain alcohol to extract what I want from this -

I am hoping this thread can end all threads of people needing to extract at home - we will see how this thing turns out, and if I come up with stomach cramps we will know the myth.

If you are wondering what the fluid should come up with, it will look something like this...
a sort of brown looking misty substance floating in what could be considered just a cup of lighter fluid I suppose.

[LotRev]

Oh and I almost forgot to give mad props to iamshaman.com for getting the seeds to me two days after I ordered them!

[LotRev]

All right everyone, so I haven't really done anything today except let the seeds dry out all day...I will be aquiring the alcohol this evening I hope to finish off what's been started -


Does anyone know what the best method for storage would be for the extracted liquid after the liquor extraction?

[encapsulated]

ok so what you do is soak in lighter fluid three times and let it evaporate off of the seeds or the glass or both?and then for the final time you saok them in alcohol(everclear)and then what do you drink the final liquid of the alcohol extraction or eat the seeds?i am totally confused and i dont even know what you are trying to make or what it is supposed to do?

P.S. how much were those seeds

[Hippie3]

hbwr = hawaiian baby woodrose,
contains LSA.

[LotRev]

Originally Posted by encapsulated

ok so what you do is soak in lighter fluid three times and let it evaporate off of the seeds or the glass or both?and then for the final time you saok them in alcohol(everclear)and then what do you drink the final liquid of the alcohol extraction or eat the seeds?i am totally confused and i dont even know what you are trying to make or what it is supposed to do?

P.S. how much were those seeds

Haha, all right...here it goes

I haven't been completely detailed, assuming most knew of this process. It's a pretty easy procedure actually...

You will do the soak in the fluid first (the number of times is a preference, I did three because I had no alcohol to move to the next step) - the theory is that soaking the chopped up seed in a fluid containing naphtha with remove the toxins in the seeds that cause you to have uncomfortable stomach cramps and vomiting. You will pour out and dispose of any liquids filtered out of the seeds by the lighter fluid (sorry I hadnt gotten that far yet).

When you do the soak in the alcohol (which I am yet to do), that process is suppose to pull the LSA (what you want) out of the seeds. You will use about a 50mL bottle of alcohol for this. btw-You can soak them more than one time in the alcohol. I would recommend at least 2 soaks, and the soaks do not have to be a whole day long - a couple hours should do fine.

The idea is to get the toxins out of these seeds and then remove the good stuff and store it in the alcohol...at this point, you can judge dosage by the number of seeds you put into it and the amount of alcoholic liquid you have left after the extraction.

I apologize if it is confusing, I will try and clear up the entire tek after it is completed...

As for eating the seeds after removing the toxins...I don't know, I was wondering that myself, but yes the idea for this is to drink a dose of the liquid mixed in with say...orange juice or kool-aid or some other enjoyable drink...then you trip on LSA, if you want details about HBWR (hawaiian baby woodrose) seeds, dosage, effects, and law please visit erowid - erowid.org/plants/hbw/hbw.shtml

feel free to ask any other questions...I will answer what I can and repost the tek when it is completed.

ohh yeah and the price was 100 seeds for about $15, they are very easy to find and legal to buy...be careful with the law when it comes to LSA though, check it out first - a normal dose would be about 5-8 seeds, so you make as much extract as you want for your doses.

[Hippie3]

if you want details about HBWR (hawaiian baby woodrose) seeds, dosage, effects, and law please visit erowid - erowid.org/plants/hbw/hbw.shtml

ha.
we have more and better info right here.

-Real name: Argyreia nervosa
-Common name: Hawaiian baby woodrose
-Origin: Hawaii
-History: Used by the poor Hawaiians, to get high cheaply...it is now known for its lsa content
-Law: Legal
-Active Ingredients: Lysergic acid amides
-Dosage: 3-10 seeds
-Preparation method: Seeds can be eaten or an extraction can be made
-Effects: euphoria, hallucination, perception and time distortion, nausea, stomach pain
-Duration: 8 to 12 hours

*Growing informations*
-Growing difficulty: easy
-temperature: 80 and up
-Humidity: normal
-Light: full sun
-soil: regular potting soil..
-Propagation: seeds
-tips and tricks: give it something to grow on...dont forget its a vine

also see
http://mycotopia.net/discus/messages...tml?1056797521
http://mycotopia.net/discus/messages...tml?1060978482
http://mycotopia.net/discus/messages/5/81533.html

[LotRev]

Originally Posted by Hippie3

ha.
we have more and better info right here.

haha, sorry sorry Hip, I am just used to jumping right to their vaults...I meant no offense to the topia of course...this is where I got everything I know and continue to learn every day...

[LotRev]

One more quick update before the alcohol extraction (I don't have it yet) - this is a picture of the seeds after completely drying and all of the fluid evaporating...these seeds have been out all day, and they look the same as they did before the soaking...

Next you will do the same thing you did with the lighter fluid, but with the alcohol - except you will want to retain anything that is strained off of the seeds (that is the liquid LSA basically)

[Elf Salvation]

Yeah Yeah I love it.

ELF

[encapsulated]

ok thanks man

[encapsulated]

elf is the experiance a good one? And also my brother once ground up some morning glory seeds and put them in water and let it sit is this pretty much the same thing???/ i doubt it but figured i would ask anyways!!

[Elf Salvation]

Yess the experience will be similar, but as Lotrev is doing, Hbwr are much stonger and using naptha to pull out toxins may produce a cleaner trip.

I have not done this myself, but have eaten many mornig glory seed at times.

ELF

[encapsulated]

do you mean the experience is similar to boomers?

[Hippie3]

how stoned ARE you ?
you just asked him
if it's like morning glory seeds,
he said yes, kinda similar.
so he's not talking about boomers, is he ?

my brother once ground up some morning glory seeds and put them in water and let it sit is this pretty much the same thing?

yes the experience will be similar, but as Lotrev is doing, Hbwr are much stonger and using naptha to pull out toxins may produce a cleaner trip. I have not done this myself, but have eaten many morning glory seed at times.

[encapsulated]

my bad hip must not have been paying attention!!! Will read better next time

[Hippie3]

it's good to pay attention
when you're taking people's time
to answer your questions.

[LotRev]

Here's the update everyone...

I got the Everclear - I am now soaking the HBWR seeds in the Everclear...I will strain and drain it all once tonight, then let it soak overnight.

Keep stirring...

[LotRev]

Here is the liquid that comes out of the seeds with the Everclear...

I would say it looks exactly like rum - a real nice brown color that is well blended with the everclear...unlike the lighter fluid extract which was very cloudy and you could easily distinguish between the extract and lighter fluid...

You will KEEP any liquid that comes off of the seeds after the Everclear extraction.

(I hope it really took all that crap out of the seeds with the fluid, we will see soon)

[LotRev]

Quick question for anyone who might have tried this - or anyone at all

Here are a couple pictures of the filters used...

The first three filters are from the lighter fluid extraction.
The fourth is from the Everclear extraction.

Look at the colors on the filters...am I losing anything worth keeping on that Everclear one?

It seems like the Everclear has far stronger extraction capabilities than the Ronsonol...should I have used a stronger Naphtha agent?

[Elf Salvation]

You'll bee allright Lotrev. Only agent for the purpose aside from naptha that would work would bee toluene or xylol, xylene, ect. Hmm ya get me thinking.

The alchohol definately works.

ELF

[cap]

what does the liquid look like now?

[LotRev]

Ha! Yes the alcohol is definitely working!

Hey Cap I am letting them soak overnight tonight, but tomorrow I will post the next picture of the liquid before I store it.

Goodnight all

[LotRev]

All right, everything is done now...

First, I did three extractions with the lighter fluid -
Then, I did three extractions with the Everclear

I came up with about 44mL of liquid...if you remember, I started with 4 doses of 8 seeds each, so thats right at 11 mL for each dose...and it is not hard to get 11 mL down. Here is a picture of the final liquid in a jar.

Dispose of left over seed remains unless you feel the need to dose them out and eat them as well.

I fell asleep earlier, but I still think I am going to try the trip out tonight...only thing is, I'm real low on mj...I love it on a trip, anyone think its a huge deal with this stuff to not have any, seeing as I have never tried it?

[Pedestrian]

Cant wait to see how it goes for ya bro.... GL

[cap]

....notta so goot..

linked him to Hippie's "No Nausea, Quick Onset GUARANTEED" tek (HBWR preparation: zero nausea quick onset guaranteed)..

of course its not as a refined product,
or as storable as a refined extract,
such as what was attempted to be accomplished here,
but it definitely should work and doesnt require any harsh solvents.

im not too surprised at yer results, Lotrev..
i have been readin this site's botanicals forum for several years
and from time to time someone tries something similiar to what you are doing.
now, i have no 1st hand experience, nor any real interest in LSA,
but from what i have seen here over the years,
nobody has nailed down a solid 'tek' to do it successfully, with zero stomach discomfort
as you well know--b/c you were attemptin to write the book! ...
..and more power to ya--at least somebody is puttin in some work

hope all goes well with the soft-drink..

[Hippie3]

lol
think you must be sleepy too, cap.
he hasn't got any 'results' yet,
so he hasn't failed.
plz tone down your remarks a bit,
i noticed here and in a few other threads
a bit of a 'know better' atmosphere,
while here at 'topia we like to be
more positive, accepting and encouraging
to others to 'do their own thing'
even when we think we know a better way.
call it the 'hippie' factor,
doing our own thing is our way.
of course the exception is false, misleading teachings
but i don't see that here...

[Hippie3]

rev,
if i were you
i'd like some smoke for the crash at a minimum.
but no harm if you must go without,
maybe substitute a few beers for splashdown.

[LotRev]

Hippie, I really appreciate the backing...but Cap is right.

I was in the chat last night when I dosed it up.

Here are my results from last night:

At about 10:40 I started to drink what I measured out to be one dose of 8 seeds...I took it slow and finished by about 11.

I felt a trip coming on pretty fast...but never made it to the other side.
I was down again as soon as I was up.

I feel like the concentrated liquid was not near as concentrated as anticipated. I must have lost a lot more of the content than I had hoped for. I will try a double/triple dose tonight and have a final conclusion. From the looks of things, Hip's method (assuming no nausea for all) is probably the most reliable I've seen. The extraction I did worked just as it should have, I had zero stomach trouble...but I also had almost zero trip.

There was almost a pseudo trip feeling, you know, just a little off on everything, and a little hazy about the whole experience this morning -
When I dose tonight, I think it will kick in...but I've got to say that concentrating 32 seeds for one dose is not worth it. Another point is that I did not have the coffee grinder - some have expressed to me how they feel it will draw more out when more finely ground...I will not stop with this experiment until I have some solid results.

I feel like I did everything needed to a tee. It's possible that coffee filters aren't the best for the straining (catching too much?). I would like some input here, and I will keep on keeping on with this and update soon, thanks everyone-

[I_am_me]

Also keep in mind a solution can only be so concentrated. Everclear will only hold so much lsa. You would be better off using a larger amount of liquid and also grinding the seeds like previously said. Hope you at least get one good trip out of it.

[Hippie3]

before concluding the extraction was a failure
one must rule out the possibility of low potency in
the starting materials.
however you cannot rule that out
and so all you really know
is that one time those 8 seeds were not enough.
really when doing any extraction
one should include an extra 'fudge factor' to
cover the losses due to inefficiency
as well as to offset potency variations
that naturally occur in plant materials of all types.

[cap]

Hippie, im sorry
i neglected to mention he told me in the rabbit hole it was bunk

Originally Posted by LotRev

There was almost a pseudo trip feeling, you know, just a little off on everything, and a little hazy about the whole experience this morning -

hmm maybe the larger dose would work, then?
what you describe is how i get on <1g of dried cubensis

if it were me, and i only had a few seeds left,
i would either grow them out or pinch one or two from yer next 'batch'
and grow them, for backup