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| Mycophage Join Date: Apr 1972
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Ok. I have only done pills a few times, years ago. Bad pills, the last time, turned me off completely to that whole scene for a while. I have never tried real molly, but now I got me a few G's. It is a very white with slight brownish hue crystalline powder. It is tried, tested and from a life long friend, so I trust it. I want to give it a go tonight. I was thinking 200mgs. Any tips/advice? |
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| old hand Join Date: Mar 1970
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I snort lines of it until i'm right, then I keep'em comming as time goes on. If you don't want to snort it, i'd start off with an 1/8 of gram first and then continue doseage as time and the high goes on. Till you're happy with where you want to be.
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| old hand Join Date: Mar 1970
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No doubt. The first time I did it I took 3 huge lines of it straight to the head. Good gravey man! Big mistake indeed. I did almost 1/2 of the gram in one sitting and learned a good lesson on that tip for sure.
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| Mycophage Join Date: Apr 1972
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GRRRRRRR!!! I have no scale! I have no license to drive either. I biked to 4 different stores and a damn mall to no avail. Absolutely no head shops on this side of the city. It's getting late. How can I try this stuff without a scale and not overdose? I really don't want to snort it. Too many bad memories, plus I hear it hurts like a mofo. |
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| Researcher Join Date: Nov 2005
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I still think the finger/thumb print works well. But it is taking a chance for the first time from this substance. You never know how potent or what it might actually be. If you had a gram, just seperate it in to half, then half of that then half of that. Nice fat 1/8th gram to try...
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| ~~ confusion's prince ~~ Join Date: Mar 2006
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this thread says 1.50 at the office supply store (staples,etc) http://mycotopia.net/discus/messages/5/5846.html or make yer own! |
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| Mycophage Join Date: Apr 1972
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It's waaaaay more than a gram, so the dividing it in 8 pile thing just wasn't an option. I called the man and he said a tenth of a gram was like a good line of coke or so. This I could relate to, so I cut a couple good coke sized lines(I liked mine big, so...) and put em in a gelcap and swallowed. Immediately I geared up and left my place walking with Mp3 player and headphones. What a wonderful hike it was! My plan had been to meet up with some people at a bar or club, but 1 hour in and I wanted nothing to do with all that. I just kept walking and looking and thinking and jamming to the music. I walked many miles and it felt fuckin' fantastic. My pupils are still super blown, but I feel very, very mellow right now. Complacent even. This stuff is good and clean! I certainly will be doing it again. Thanks all for the advice/tips. ![]() What about tolerance? How long? Cross tolerance with Chrooms, 'cid? Oh, and a bum asked me for a dollar and I gave him $5 and told him to take care and I meant it. |
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| Mycotopiate Join Date: May 2006
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*drools a bit* i'd do it again in a heartbeat. so pure. a good friend of mine had his only bad mdma-related experience w/ molly, but i guess it's cuz he just kept getting fed lines until he was basically overheated. hit him real quick and real hard. said he was puking/dry-heaving for hours. was going to suggest you be careful w/ eyeballing it, but looks like you did fine ![]() *drools some more*
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| old hand Join Date: Mar 1970
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Tolerance isn't an issue with MDMA. If it is, it's extremely low. If you want to blow ass up, then take double the amount you already have. I've eaten beans 4-5 days a week for 2-3 years straight and never really noticed a decline in the effects of the drug. That's using the same pills or molly for some period of time too. Now mixed with mushrooms I wasn't impressed with the effects. I've never done it with acid.
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| Masked Moderator Join Date: Feb 2005
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From what I've experienced and read I believe there is a tolerance. MDMA releases the seretonin in your brain and I believe after a night of rolling your levels are lower than usual. It takes a few to several days to rebuild your seretonin levels so you can achieve a good roll the next time. Some people take 5-htp after rolling in order to help out their seretonin levels and get back to normal. That would be why people complain about feeling drained or whatever the next day after a good night of rollin'.
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| Mycophage Join Date: Apr 1972
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I was just reading about preloading with 5-htp. Sounds very interesting. Anyone here with first hand 5-HTP experience? |
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| old hand Join Date: Mar 1970
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I'm not so sure of that. I've never noticed too much of a decline in buzz, even with doing the drug several days straight in different sittings. Maybe the peop's I hang with and myself have a high seretonin level. I doubt it.
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| old hand Join Date: Mar 1970
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Man. In all honesty, i've never done anymore than I have the previous night. Usually the same amount gets me right just as the night before. Now that you've got a good idea on the dosage, you know what to expect and how to go about it tommorrow. Like I said from experience, the tolerance difference was extremely low if any IME's. If it's a weak buzz, double the dosage. I doubt you'll have to though.
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| Mycotopiate Join Date: May 2006
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yea, i think you build tolerance, but it isn't near to the extent you do w/ say, shrooms... i bet if you take the same dose you'll feel just as good.
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| Brotha from anotha motha Join Date: Jan 2006
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Just rolling once in a while makes me RETARDED....2-3 nights in a row reduces me to mumbling gibberish. MDMA is something good in large doses, but rarely IMO. I've been rolling for 12 years or so, I barely ever take it anymore, but usually start with half a gram. That'll split your wig...
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| Mycophage Join Date: Apr 1972
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Well, last night I checked her out again, this time about a half gram split up in couple doses about an 1 1/2 hour apart. I also preloaded with 200mg of 5-htp several hours before. I know that's not much 5-htp, but that's still 4 times the recommended amount. I had, of course, an amazing time. I actually made it to a club and hung out and talked and met some new, good people. Later I went to IHOP and had some french toast while my pupils were still as big as pancakes. Really, in retrospect, nothing amazing took place, but it all felt extraordinary. |
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| Mycotopiate Join Date: Jun 2006
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Last Wakarusa I took 4 tenths (snorted 1 and ate 3) along with 6 white perf blotter and had the most amazing time molly is def a drug of choice. I ended up walkin to the lake with a buddy with only a lighter to guide us I saw myrmaids it was wonderful. It was probably a dirty hippie in the water but it was no less amazing. For those who haven't molly is def a wonderful substance to try.
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| Former Member Join Date: Sep 1972
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dude molli is the shiznit, but sadly it dosent mean shit, cuz i been gettin some bomb ass pressed pills altly that are pure mdma, and a lil mda for a spice!, but molli is the best cuz most pressed pills suck, to much extra shit you dont wnat
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| Technopagan Join Date: Apr 2006
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molly molly molly...its good stuff cheaper/easier to obtain materials and make than most things, and a really nice roll I just spotted this thread and thought I would throw out there that candy flipping is a very easy onset of molly/other types of rolls...that is dropping some L then popping a roll in the trip- Speaking of Phil and friends...I just got to see them at Bonnaroo Despite what anyone may or may not think about Bonnaroo-seeing Phil and Les Claypool on a nice candy flip is all I need to keep coming back. I would like to make the Wakaroo next year and do them both, but so far it hasnt worked out for me, although I'm coming up on 4 years at the roo... If you have any trouble with the onset of MDMA, a trip seems to subside that effect and make it very pure - when or if you do decide to do some flipping, expect a very light and floaty feeling...very GOOD light and floaty feeling. (keep hydrated for sure)
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| Masked Moderator Join Date: Feb 2005
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Wakarusa was a pig fest this year and they were being complete dickheads. I'll never go back to Wakarusa even though our experience with the music was fabulous. I saw way too many inoccent people get hassled and too many small time USERS get tackled and arrested. Twice as many arrests at Wakarusa than at Bonnaroo this year. Bonnaroo is 4 times bigger. Pretty crazy....we still had a good time/nice trip though. I just feel sorry for all those who got hassled. They even shut down and kicked out all of the legit glass pipe vendors on Sunday. I went to Bonnaroo the first 4 years. I'd rather go back there than Wakarusa, sadly. We did get to go swimming in a nice lake at Waka though. Any good homegrown teks out there for making molly?
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You'll hear different opinions from each person but I like to eat the molly about 15 minutes before I eat the acid. That way I get to feel the molly come on first and get the mental effects, then the lsd slowly seeps into my brain and the trip really begins, all along the molly is kinda pushing the trip in towards the mdma mindset. Its been fun, thats for sure. Mmmmm molly, you're makin' me druel.
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| Mycophiliac Join Date: Jun 2006
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Has anybody just stoped rolling off molly or any kind of E in general. I went through a whole 2 years of not being able to roll. Other people would be laid out at partys off the same pills. Me nothing... So for 2 years this happed to me until a few months ago, where i came across a pill that worked but was not nearly as good as i rember it. Last time i had a good roll was with this acid and i think that the pill where mda? Or what ever them trippy pills where. They where trippy even though no acid was taken.
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| Mycophiliac Join Date: Jun 2006
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And i was eating alot of E at that time.. So now i dont take E anymore.Witch i think is a good thing. I think that good pills are hard to come across. So i just save my money.
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| Mycophage Join Date: Apr 1972
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Have you tried preloading with 5-HTP? I can't say for sure if it works, but the guy in the link further up in the thread sure claimed it did. I have been taking it everyday since I started rolling a lot and I still get off great everytime. |
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| Mycophiliac Join Date: Jun 2006
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i rember that i have had 5-HTP but i dont think that i was would take enough. I would take it after i rolled or took my pill. And i don't take any ssri's of any kind. Maybe if i take 5-HTP every day but i come across pills so infrequently now that I dont have any 5-HTP.
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| Mycophage Join Date: Apr 1972
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Damn! What a night! I did a traditional candyflip for the first time. Lucy X7 first 3+ hours, then Molly 400mgs strong. i was in public the entire time. It was hairy at moments to say the least, but I survived. Somehow I lost my keys and had to call my soon to be xwife at 4AM to get my xtra key. She wasn't happy, but I was. |
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| Fungitarian Join Date: Apr 2006
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i used 5-HTP after every time i thizz. it makes a big diffrence with your hangover the next day. i dont like to take the 5-HTP before the thizz though, too much seratonin isnt good...
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| Researcher Join Date: Nov 2005
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![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | Please try not to give false info here. It can result in others bieng hurt. "The LD50 of MDMA ranges from about 100-300 mg/kg in assorted rodents.The single-dose LD50 in humans can only be guessed at, but may be on the order of 10-20 mg/kg (oral.) One recent press report claims a ten year-old girl died after taking at least five 'ecstasy' tablets. Assuming the girl weighed about 40 kg (88 pounds) and the pills contained about 70 mg of MDMA each (and no other drugs), she died from a dose of roughly 9 mg/kg."
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| Mycophiliac Join Date: Nov 2006
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| Down on the Pharm Join Date: Dec 2006
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![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | 5HTP Does not work!
Do not waste your money on 5HTP! It does not, and can not work pharmacologically by itself. When you take 5HTP, it is converted into serotonin OUTSIDE of your brain. However, this is completely useless because serotonin does not readily penetrate the blood-brain barrier (in order to have an affect, a drug [or any psychoactive substance] must be able to cross this barrier- fattier molecules such as nicotine and THC are good at this) and is broken down by the enzyme L-AA decarboxylase. In order to get any effect from 5HTP it must be taken with an aromatic L-AA decarboxylase inhibitor (This combination is sometimes used as an anti-depressant outside the U.S.). This will allow serotonin into the brain more readily. Moral of the story: do not waste your money on 5HTP, that is unless you can get your hands on a L-AAD inhibitor (I'm not sure about availability in the US), and even if you can, be careful because I am not sure how the inhibitor will affect absorption of other drugs. (This is how I understand it from pharm class the other day. I will ask about this again tonight to make sure though). |
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| Down on the Pharm Join Date: Dec 2006
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**EDIT: Correction to my previous post** Ok, I just checked with my prof. and L-AA Decarboxylase is the enzyme that converts 5HTP to serotonin outside the brain. Serotonin can't get through the blood brain barrier (and thus cannot get to the brain). So, if L-AA Decarboxylase is inhibited, the 5HTP is NOT converted to serotonin outside the brain. Unlike serotonin, 5HTP IS able to cross the blood brain barrier. Once in the brain, 5HTP is then converted to serotonin. So once again: 5HTP will not work unless taken with a L-AAD inhibitor so do not waste your money. | |
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