LSA the Easy Way All trip No Bodyload....

firegod420 · 05-18-07, 23:25

Butane blast(just like extracting THC, i used 5 times filter butane very clean)
morning glories let dry 30min
then soak in 190 proof or better enthanol for 1 hr....

Its foolproof the alcohol will glow bright as can be under blacklight.
What i did was extract it down to powder then added 5 drops of peppermint
oil and 15ml of alcohol ... 1ml is one very powerful dose 8hr trip, no
bodyload at all.....

This trip is excellent worth the effort to butane blast.. You can make it
very potent if u really wanted, like a few drops will be full blown visions... i
suggest extracting more then you would think is one dose due to not
knowing the potentcy of seeds.. but this works everytime its the best
method out in my mind..pretty damn pure extract if you do wash it 3x....

tregar · 05-19-07, 01:39

Hi Firegod420! Ahh, nice. What variety seeds were used? Can you elaborate more on butane blast?

05-19-07, 01:57

yup.. where do you get the seeds?
do you have pictures?

firegod420 · 05-19-07, 09:18

Seeds came from Iamshaman..
they always send you way more then it says on the website.. heh..

5000 riveas, 2700 morning glories were used

Butane blast explained here: https://secure.eu-server.net/~wwwtok...read.php4?t=45

No pictures atm, still haven't found my power supply maybe i can do another
extraction in a few days on 500HWBR and post pics with everything i did, i will
most likely do so....

05-19-07, 09:28

what do you mean 5 times filter?

so you put the seeds in the PVC

blast it with butane.. how many times?
do you let it drain from the PVC? or do you remove them from the PVC right after you do the blast? then let it dry 30 mins inside the PVC or outside?

then the seeds from inside the PVC are then soaked in alcohol..
for 1 hour..
then i assume you use a coffee filter to filter out the seeds from the alcohol and keep the alcohol in a vial or something like that?

did i get it right?

what kind of seeds did you get from iamshaman? there are lots of diff kinds..

firegod420 · 05-19-07, 09:38

Use the honey oil extraction tech to get the nasties out of the seeds...

This is 5x times filtered butane:
http://www.vectorkgm.com/catalog/tem...=stove/gas.cfm

Hit the seeds with 2 10-15second blasts...
nasties fall out the bottom of the filter pipe goodies still in tube
empty tube...

Let mush dry, it does not take long....

Soak for a hour or 2 in 190 proof or better grain alcohol

Evaporate with very light heat like 100degrees no more and a fan..(did not
degrade my product enough to make a difference, it even sat in a well lit
room most of the day so don't worry too much about light and heat its not
that serious just take it into consideration just as long as it ain't extreme
heat or light)

Scrape dry extract

Reconstitute it in a few drops of peppermint oil and how ever much grain
alcohol is needed, make it as potent as you want..

Should taste like alkaloids stronger then the mint or alcohol..
You know this taste from eating riveas str8 up or HBRW..
morning glories are not as potent therefore harder to acquire
this certain taste..please try sometime

I couldn't imagine how potent you can make this with FRESH HBRW and RIVEA = O

aumbrellaforainydays · 05-19-07, 14:52

sounds easy enough, will have to harvest some fresh glories and give it a shot. excellent post.

roc · 05-19-07, 18:01

Thankz for sharing

Shromadon · 05-19-07, 19:33

There was some fuss about using pvc, stuff about the butane taking some of the pvc with it. But this was for smoking the final product, not eating, so idk)
You can use a beer bottle just as easy. Look into "beer bottle trick"

Triple refined butane is just that, cleaned 5 times, much safer than your standard run of the mill "dirty" butane, lots of additives and yuck. Dont know if that can stick onto the "mush" left behind

Ive tried messing w/ LSA for a longtime now, with no sucess, thanks for showing a method I am capable of

05-21-07, 16:34

I was wondering if any one has had any luck with this method it seems alot easier then using naphtha. I want to try a alcohol extration but i dont know a good place to find lab grade naphtha. I tried a cold water extraction this weekend and learned a few things. I dont realy agree with the whole tea bag thing. I made two doses one of a little over 600 seeds and another of around 400 seeds for my friend. I ground them up in the dark and put them in size 3 tea bags and let them soak in disilled water with tartaric acid for 1 1/2 hours mixing every 10 min in the fridge. I ended up with a white extract. I tried to press a little on the bags and they ripped so i put them both in one jar and put it back in the fridge well i took my first dose. It came on kinda weak so i figured i had not extrated all the lsa. So I tried adding water to the jar with the broken bags and added more tartaric acid to it and mixed very well. I let it soak for another 1 1/2 hours mixing it alot. Then i used my large tea bags as filters using one for the first time through then i trippled them up and ran through agian. I ended up with a more brown looking extract. I then drank it and with in 1/2 hour to an hour i kinda had what i was looking for. I also did not have the bad body load or any thing like that. I know what that feels like from when i was younger and ate 12 bags of ground up seeds. Wish i had tried this method first, instead of putting them in tea bags. I also think from looking at past post about cold water extraction that the number of seeds need to be increased if they are store bought from last year. Had i Known that i would not have only used 600 seeds. For my first lsa extration I would say i learned lot and it turned out pretty good. I am realy interested in this butane defating because i would much rather do and alcohol extration.

This site rules i just found it the other week and i have spent hours reading others experiences. Thanks to everyone in the community

firegod420 · 05-21-07, 18:20

First off you always want to start with a larger quantity of seeds then would think is enough...(due to potentcy variability)

- Grind seeds in a coffee grinder

- Stuff seeds in a stainless, copper or glass tube with one end only small enough to stick a butane nozzle in and on the other end a 1-3inch opening for filter.

- Squirt the butane threw nozzle end all the crap will fall out thru the filter at the bottom. Do this twice for like 3-8 seconds. Make sure not too much pressure builds or you will literally blast your seeds right out the tube.

- Remove seeds from tube and allow to dry for 1 hr

- put seeds in a SMALL jar smaller the better easier to work with, with 95% or better alcohol either Grain or IPA/Rubbing.

- Add a few drops of peppermint oil this is high in acetalhyde and has acetic acid in it to make the LSA/LSH more stable.

- Shake this around hard for 10min then allow to sit in fridge for another hour and 45min.(2 hour extraction)

- carefully pour off top into a filter make sure all seed gook stays in jar.

- Evaporate this down to desired amount(patience is way better, you can use a fan, but if you use heat don't go higher then 100 degrees F.) or evaporate to dry extract(it will be slightly oily from the peppermint oil) and scrape to reconstitute with 60% or better alcohol.(the Tincture has a way better effect then dry extract)

_ Have a nice trip...OR If you want something more pure don't use peppermint oil in first stages. You will also be loosing LSA doing these washes but whatever you want it more pure.

- after you have evaporated it down reconstitute it only in really COLD 99% rubbing alcohol..do this 3 times leaving the GOOK at he bottom each time.. There is still a small amount of LSA in the gook but discard it or eat it later...

- after final scrape and its completely dry reconstitute it in only grain alcohol and add peppermint oil

- Potency at could be very very high at this point and i suggest you don't eat this unless weighed on a really good scale before you reconstitute it..

deekan · 05-21-07, 18:30

i will have to give the butane blast a try, great write up. do you know if LSA's can be extracted using isopropyl alcohol and then evaporating the alcohol and water into a tar of some kind? i have read that it does and does not so i am unsure.

zook · 05-21-07, 18:51

so for LSA its said here to chuck the butane and save the seeds for the ethanol extraction...
The purpose being the butane supposedly cleans some unwanteds from the seeds?

This would mean that LSA must be insoluable in butane or else a lot of alkaloids would be lost during the blast process, this is interesting.

firegod420 · 05-21-07, 19:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by zook

so for LSA its said here to chuck the butane and save the seeds for the ethanol extraction...
The purpose being the butane supposedly cleans some unwanteds from the seeds?

This would mean that LSA must be insoluable in butane or else a lot of alkaloids would be lost during the blast process, this is interesting.

Yes it removes all of the unwanted stuff.. and purifies your extract
The trip is great!

Quote:

Originally Posted by deekan

i will have to give the butane blast a try, great write up. do you know if LSA's can be extracted using isopropyl alcohol and then evaporating the alcohol and water into a tar of some kind? i have read that it does and does not so i am unsure.

No water at all can be used during the extraction process...

deekan · 05-21-07, 20:39

No water at all can be used during the extraction process...

even 99% isopropyl contains enough water to effect the extraction?

firegod420 · 05-21-07, 22:54

95% or better alcohol..
IPA or enthanol for the extraction
anything below 95% alcohol will not cut it

ACS Lab Grade 200 Proof Dry Enthanol Alcohol is the best for this!!

NEPHROSIS · 05-22-07, 09:16

Awesome, haven't seen anything like this before.

Sorry for being off topic but...

Do you know any easy (without lab equip.) ways to concentrate IPA? The pharmacies around my friend's house only sells up to 70%.

firegod420 · 05-22-07, 12:18

you could distill it...pretty dangerous..

Just order it online the 200 proof enthanol its well worth the wait and 15$....

deekan · 05-22-07, 13:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by NEPHROSIS

Awesome, haven't seen anything like this before.

Sorry for being off topic but...

Do you know any easy (without lab equip.) ways to concentrate IPA? The pharmacies around my friend's house only sells up to 70%.

the pharmacies around me only sell 70% as well, I get 99% at a supermarket.

05-22-07, 20:12

what are the doses for lsa?

firegod420 · 05-22-07, 20:47

all the dosage info you need is here..

NEPHROSIS · 05-30-07, 13:20

How do you actually consume it?

LSA can be consumed sub-lingually right? Is it possible to put the extract onto a piece of blotter paper?

deekan · 05-31-07, 06:17

I have read that alcohol tinctures are more visual than a dried tar extract, would there be anyway to re-dissolve the dry extract in some liquid other than everclear to get the same effect?

pinwisher · 05-31-07, 18:57

5000 riveas at 49.95 per 500 seeds - is this correct?
Fat cash...

firegod420 · 05-31-07, 21:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by deekan

I have read that alcohol tinctures are more visual than a dried tar extract, would there be anyway to re-dissolve the dry extract in some liquid other than everclear to get the same effect?

ya i prefer it in the liquid form also..
i have never tried the dry..

If you order riveas from iamshaman they give you more then you order...

Order 500 you get like 2000 pretty good deal, they prolly do it by weight and their calculation is weigh off.

06-04-07, 00:43

firegod420, do you have your pictorial yet?

has anyone else tried this?

06-05-07, 11:33

I decided to give it a try this last weekend and learned a few things.
I started with about 81 grams of heavenly blue. I did my butane blast taking me three full tubes. I should have made it four and not packed them as tight. I felt a little bit of the bad effects but nothing to bad.

Then i stilled out some 151 and got some high proof alc. I add a small amout of tatartic acid to it. Added the blasted seeds and mixed for at least 10 min. I let it sit for 2 hours in fridge.

Poured it off and tried to evaportae a little of the alc. I let it sit in a dark area for a couple of hours and it evaporated a little. I read that you could put a fan on it so i tried it. That was my second mistake. I checked it in 15 min and the white stuff started to turn dark. I know i killed some of the LSA.

Me and my friend took some. I was expecting more from it. I dont think i got all the LSA out of the mash and i think the fan killed some. Luckly i was plannig to try a second extract out of the seeds so i added more tatartic acid and alc and i have let it sit for 3 days. I am going to pour it off today and see what i get. I dont know when i will be able to try it though.

So I think this method works good. I think i will pack the seeds not as tight and find a diffrent way to evaporate next time. I think a vacum chamber might work well for that. No oxegen and fast evaporation. I might try the peppermint oil next time too.

robman1 · 06-10-07, 14:21

Is it definite that LSA is not soluble in butane?

Caljet666 · 06-11-07, 03:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by firegod420

you could distill it...pretty dangerous..

Just order it online the 200 proof enthanol its well worth the wait and 15$....

Isopropanol forms an azetrope with water and would be distilled over as well. You could use a molecular sieve on 99% iso to dry it but who has one. I'm not real sure on this one but dried epson salts could dry out the water. Just cook the epsom salts in the oven at 200+C for a couple hours, then chuck em in the 99% iso for a few hours then filter all the epsons out.

Awesome idea to use butane, I'll definately try it.

Robman1:
LSA straight from the seeds is definatley not soluble in butane. If the LSA has been treated with a base it will be stripped of its salts and will be very soluble in butane, but not in alcohol. It could then be treated with an acid and it would attach to a salt again. This method is very useful for purifying many alkaloids.

Has anyone tried an acid/base extraction with LSA?

robman1 · 06-11-07, 18:17

Yeah I've always wondered why all I see is polar teks with MG and never a/b

surely someone out there must have experimented with this?

06-12-07, 11:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by firegod420

Use the honey oil extraction tech to get the nasties out of the seeds...

This is 5x times filtered butane:
http://www.vectorkgm.com/catalog/tem...=stove/gas.cfm

Hit the seeds with 2 10-15second blasts...
nasties fall out the bottom of the filter pipe goodies still in tube
empty tube...

Let mush dry, it does not take long....

Soak for a hour or 2 in 190 proof or better grain alcohol

Evaporate with very light heat like 100degrees no more and a fan..(did not
degrade my product enough to make a difference, it even sat in a well lit
room most of the day so don't worry too much about light and heat its not
that serious just take it into consideration just as long as it ain't extreme
heat or light)

Scrape dry extract

Reconstitute it in a few drops of peppermint oil and how ever much grain
alcohol is needed, make it as potent as you want..

Should taste like alkaloids stronger then the mint or alcohol..
You know this taste from eating riveas str8 up or HBRW..
morning glories are not as potent therefore harder to acquire
this certain taste..please try sometime

I couldn't imagine how potent you can make this with FRESH HBRW and RIVEA = O

so the final product would be peppermint oil + a little alcohol + the mushed seeds?
or are the seeds strained?
how do you injest? do you use a syringe to measure the ml? would the mush get stuck in the needle?
just drop the liquid on your tongue?

mister · 06-12-07, 12:10

you filter after the alcohol extraction (it takes out all the goodies from the seeds) and let the liquid sit to evap

I'd probably combine the dose with a shot of something, in case it tastes bad

06-12-07, 12:53

I tried my second extract out of my seeds and found that 2 hours is not long enough. I had them in the alcohol for a whole week and had much better extract. I took way less then what i did the first time and had way better experience but you need to blast your seeds realy well though. I had the lazy gastrinal stuff happen. Not as bad as it could be with out the blast but i think it would be a good idea to realy blast them and pack losely. Also there is the whole problem of evaporating your alcohol with out killing your lsa. I am still looking for a good method. I am interested in an acid base extraction to make it easyer to get your finnal product cleaner.

Shromadon · 07-23-07, 06:18

Sorry to bring up an old thread, but triple refined and higher butane has just dissappeared. There is no way I would smoke honey oil made from regular butane, but what about this? It is not being smoked.

Since the mush has to dry out before using, and is ingested not smoked, can normal butane be used? I would imagine it would be completely evaporated. Ive ingested quite a few nasties and have been fine, but was just wondering how bad this would be?

I know people who smoke oil from shitty butane, as well as huff it regularly and are still fine, but better safe than sorry.

Thanks

NEPHROSIS · 07-23-07, 11:21

Caljet, do you know how to find out how much epsom salt you'll need to dry out the alcohol?

Shromadon - You'll be fine. Refined butane still contains a bit of nasties in it.

Caljet666 · 07-24-07, 00:22

NEPHROSIS: Just throw a small handfull in a bottle. Swirl it around every 5 minutes for an hour or so. Filter 'till its clear.

Shromadon: Swim has experimented with different butane on his oil. The unrefined stuff produces harsh smoke however, when the butane is about half evaporated there will be some fluffy lookin' floaties in there. Swim scoopes 'em out with a spoon and the harshness is gone.

tregar · 07-24-07, 01:58

Effects from LSA/LSH take longer to take effect than LSD...it takes from 1.5 to 2 hours, sometimes 3 hours before effects are felt..whereas LSD can be felt usually within an hour.
Firegod420 has done some excellent work here with this thread. He is onto something with the use of peppermint oil & ethanol added to the defatted seed extract.
Don't underestimate the importance of peppermint oil & ethanol & water in this recipe if you are looking to increase the conversion of LSA to LSH (lysergic acid hydroxethylamide) in dreams. Another alternative would be wine high in acetaldehyde such as sherry wine in place of peppermint oil/ethanol/water.
From fastandbulbous (bluelight forum):

Quote:

Apparently N-(1-hydroxyethyl)lysergamide is an adduct compound formed from lysergamide (lysergic acid amide, LSA/LAA, LA-111) and acetaldehyde. This hints towards the idea that isn't the most stable of compounds, but would be pretty easily formed by the combination of lysergamide & acetaldehyde under physiological conditions (ie a way to get much more & better psychedelic activity from any lysergamide extracted from seed sources)
Meaning you don't have to reflux them together for hours to get the product. You just mix them together at normal physilogical temp, pH etc & voila, you get an equilibruim set up between it and lysergamide/acetaldehyde. If you can preceiptate it from soln while leaving the lysergamide in soln it could be almost a quantitative production.

An alternative to use instead of wine would be a few drops of peppermint oil--it contains acetaldehyde & acetic acid, however you will still need to add some ethanol containing liquor such as everclear--hypothetically the 3 components needed for turning LSA into (up to 60%) lysergic acid hydroxyethylamide are: water, ethanol, & acetaldehyde in the proper ratios, with ph=4.0 or so being optimal. Wine contains tartaric acid and is thus allready at a ph of 4.0.
chemist peter webster:

Quote:

The hydroxyethylamide in the seeds long thought to be psychoactive actually can never reach the brain, since this compound is a labile adduct of ergine and acetaldehyde. It is therefore transformed into ergine and isoergine rapidly, even by mild extraction methods.
Some researchers believe that perhaps all the content of MG seeds exists as the d-hydroxyethylamide, and it is the extraction/purification/testing procedures which then produce

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05-18-07, 23:25	#1 (permalink)
firegod420 Mycophiliac Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 20	LSA the Easy Way All trip No Bodyload.... Butane blast(just like extracting THC, i used 5 times filter butane very clean) morning glories let dry 30min then soak in 190 proof or better enthanol for 1 hr.... Its foolproof the alcohol will glow bright as can be under blacklight. What i did was extract it down to powder then added 5 drops of peppermint oil and 15ml of alcohol ... 1ml is one very powerful dose 8hr trip, no bodyload at all..... This trip is excellent worth the effort to butane blast.. You can make it very potent if u really wanted, like a few drops will be full blown visions... i suggest extracting more then you would think is one dose due to not knowing the potentcy of seeds.. but this works everytime its the best method out in my mind..pretty damn pure extract if you do wash it 3x....

05-19-07, 14:52	#7 (permalink)
aumbrellaforainydays Abandon certainty! Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,221	sounds easy enough, will have to harvest some fresh glories and give it a shot. excellent post. __________________ Best meet what comes when it comes.

05-19-07, 18:01	#8 (permalink)
roc Old Man Join Date: Mar 1970 Posts: 2,789	Thankz for sharing __________________ ubuntu! Member of Native Geekaho Tribe. "Think for yourself and question authority"

07-24-07, 00:22	#36 (permalink)
Caljet666 Dumbass Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 243	NEPHROSIS: Just throw a small handfull in a bottle. Swirl it around every 5 minutes for an hour or so. Filter 'till its clear. Shromadon: Swim has experimented with different butane on his oil. The unrefined stuff produces harsh smoke however, when the butane is about half evaporated there will be some fluffy lookin' floaties in there. Swim scoopes 'em out with a spoon and the harshness is gone. __________________ ?

05-19-07, 01:39	#2 (permalink)
tregar Mycotopiate Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 479	Hi Firegod420! Ahh, nice. What variety seeds were used? Can you elaborate more on butane blast?

05-19-07, 01:57	#3 (permalink)
~vinz Guest Posts: n/a	yup.. where do you get the seeds? do you have pictures?

05-19-07, 09:18	#4 (permalink)
firegod420 Mycophiliac Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 20	Seeds came from Iamshaman.. they always send you way more then it says on the website.. heh.. 5000 riveas, 2700 morning glories were used Butane blast explained here: https://secure.eu-server.net/~wwwtok...read.php4?t=45 No pictures atm, still haven't found my power supply maybe i can do another extraction in a few days on 500HWBR and post pics with everything i did, i will most likely do so....

05-19-07, 09:28	#5 (permalink)
~vinz Guest Posts: n/a	what do you mean 5 times filter? so you put the seeds in the PVC blast it with butane.. how many times? do you let it drain from the PVC? or do you remove them from the PVC right after you do the blast? then let it dry 30 mins inside the PVC or outside? then the seeds from inside the PVC are then soaked in alcohol.. for 1 hour.. then i assume you use a coffee filter to filter out the seeds from the alcohol and keep the alcohol in a vial or something like that? did i get it right? what kind of seeds did you get from iamshaman? there are lots of diff kinds..

05-19-07, 09:38	#6 (permalink)
firegod420 Mycophiliac Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 20	Use the honey oil extraction tech to get the nasties out of the seeds... This is 5x times filtered butane: http://www.vectorkgm.com/catalog/tem...=stove/gas.cfm Hit the seeds with 2 10-15second blasts... nasties fall out the bottom of the filter pipe goodies still in tube empty tube... Let mush dry, it does not take long.... Soak for a hour or 2 in 190 proof or better grain alcohol Evaporate with very light heat like 100degrees no more and a fan..(did not degrade my product enough to make a difference, it even sat in a well lit room most of the day so don't worry too much about light and heat its not that serious just take it into consideration just as long as it ain't extreme heat or light) Scrape dry extract Reconstitute it in a few drops of peppermint oil and how ever much grain alcohol is needed, make it as potent as you want.. Should taste like alkaloids stronger then the mint or alcohol.. You know this taste from eating riveas str8 up or HBRW.. morning glories are not as potent therefore harder to acquire this certain taste..please try sometime I couldn't imagine how potent you can make this with FRESH HBRW and RIVEA = O

05-19-07, 19:33	#9 (permalink)
Shromadon Mycophiliac Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 64	There was some fuss about using pvc, stuff about the butane taking some of the pvc with it. But this was for smoking the final product, not eating, so idk) You can use a beer bottle just as easy. Look into "beer bottle trick" Triple refined butane is just that, cleaned 5 times, much safer than your standard run of the mill "dirty" butane, lots of additives and yuck. Dont know if that can stick onto the "mush" left behind Ive tried messing w/ LSA for a longtime now, with no sucess, thanks for showing a method I am capable of

05-21-07, 16:34	#10 (permalink)
~Shroomy Cacti Guest Posts: n/a	I was wondering if any one has had any luck with this method it seems alot easier then using naphtha. I want to try a alcohol extration but i dont know a good place to find lab grade naphtha. I tried a cold water extraction this weekend and learned a few things. I dont realy agree with the whole tea bag thing. I made two doses one of a little over 600 seeds and another of around 400 seeds for my friend. I ground them up in the dark and put them in size 3 tea bags and let them soak in disilled water with tartaric acid for 1 1/2 hours mixing every 10 min in the fridge. I ended up with a white extract. I tried to press a little on the bags and they ripped so i put them both in one jar and put it back in the fridge well i took my first dose. It came on kinda weak so i figured i had not extrated all the lsa. So I tried adding water to the jar with the broken bags and added more tartaric acid to it and mixed very well. I let it soak for another 1 1/2 hours mixing it alot. Then i used my large tea bags as filters using one for the first time through then i trippled them up and ran through agian. I ended up with a more brown looking extract. I then drank it and with in 1/2 hour to an hour i kinda had what i was looking for. I also did not have the bad body load or any thing like that. I know what that feels like from when i was younger and ate 12 bags of ground up seeds. Wish i had tried this method first, instead of putting them in tea bags. I also think from looking at past post about cold water extraction that the number of seeds need to be increased if they are store bought from last year. Had i Known that i would not have only used 600 seeds. For my first lsa extration I would say i learned lot and it turned out pretty good. I am realy interested in this butane defating because i would much rather do and alcohol extration. This site rules i just found it the other week and i have spent hours reading others experiences. Thanks to everyone in the community

05-21-07, 18:20	#11 (permalink)
firegod420 Mycophiliac Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 20	First off you always want to start with a larger quantity of seeds then would think is enough...(due to potentcy variability) - Grind seeds in a coffee grinder - Stuff seeds in a stainless, copper or glass tube with one end only small enough to stick a butane nozzle in and on the other end a 1-3inch opening for filter. - Squirt the butane threw nozzle end all the crap will fall out thru the filter at the bottom. Do this twice for like 3-8 seconds. Make sure not too much pressure builds or you will literally blast your seeds right out the tube. - Remove seeds from tube and allow to dry for 1 hr - put seeds in a SMALL jar smaller the better easier to work with, with 95% or better alcohol either Grain or IPA/Rubbing. - Add a few drops of peppermint oil this is high in acetalhyde and has acetic acid in it to make the LSA/LSH more stable. - Shake this around hard for 10min then allow to sit in fridge for another hour and 45min.(2 hour extraction) - carefully pour off top into a filter make sure all seed gook stays in jar. - Evaporate this down to desired amount(patience is way better, you can use a fan, but if you use heat don't go higher then 100 degrees F.) or evaporate to dry extract(it will be slightly oily from the peppermint oil) and scrape to reconstitute with 60% or better alcohol.(the Tincture has a way better effect then dry extract) _ Have a nice trip...OR If you want something more pure don't use peppermint oil in first stages. You will also be loosing LSA doing these washes but whatever you want it more pure. - after you have evaporated it down reconstitute it only in really COLD 99% rubbing alcohol..do this 3 times leaving the GOOK at he bottom each time.. There is still a small amount of LSA in the gook but discard it or eat it later... - after final scrape and its completely dry reconstitute it in only grain alcohol and add peppermint oil - Potency at could be very very high at this point and i suggest you don't eat this unless weighed on a really good scale before you reconstitute it..

05-21-07, 18:30	#12 (permalink)
deekan Mycophiliac Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 12	i will have to give the butane blast a try, great write up. do you know if LSA's can be extracted using isopropyl alcohol and then evaporating the alcohol and water into a tar of some kind? i have read that it does and does not so i am unsure.

05-21-07, 18:51	#13 (permalink)
zook Mycophiliac Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 47	so for LSA its said here to chuck the butane and save the seeds for the ethanol extraction... The purpose being the butane supposedly cleans some unwanteds from the seeds? This would mean that LSA must be insoluable in butane or else a lot of alkaloids would be lost during the blast process, this is interesting.

05-21-07, 20:39	#15 (permalink)
deekan Mycophiliac Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 12	No water at all can be used during the extraction process... even 99% isopropyl contains enough water to effect the extraction?

05-21-07, 22:54	#16 (permalink)
firegod420 Mycophiliac Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 20	95% or better alcohol.. IPA or enthanol for the extraction anything below 95% alcohol will not cut it ACS Lab Grade 200 Proof Dry Enthanol Alcohol is the best for this!!

05-22-07, 09:16	#17 (permalink)
NEPHROSIS Mycotopiate Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 233	Awesome, haven't seen anything like this before. Sorry for being off topic but... Do you know any easy (without lab equip.) ways to concentrate IPA? The pharmacies around my friend's house only sells up to 70%.

05-22-07, 12:18	#18 (permalink)
firegod420 Mycophiliac Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 20	you could distill it...pretty dangerous.. Just order it online the 200 proof enthanol its well worth the wait and 15$....

05-22-07, 20:12	#20 (permalink)
~vinz Guest Posts: n/a	what are the doses for lsa?

05-30-07, 13:20	#22 (permalink)
NEPHROSIS Mycotopiate Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 233	How do you actually consume it? LSA can be consumed sub-lingually right? Is it possible to put the extract onto a piece of blotter paper?

05-31-07, 06:17	#23 (permalink)
deekan Mycophiliac Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 12	I have read that alcohol tinctures are more visual than a dried tar extract, would there be anyway to re-dissolve the dry extract in some liquid other than everclear to get the same effect?

05-31-07, 18:57	#24 (permalink)
pinwisher Mycophiliac Join Date: Jul 1972 Posts: 53	5000 riveas at 49.95 per 500 seeds - is this correct? Fat cash...

06-04-07, 00:43	#26 (permalink)
~vinz Guest Posts: n/a	firegod420, do you have your pictorial yet? has anyone else tried this?

06-05-07, 11:33	#27 (permalink)
~Shroomy Cacti Guest Posts: n/a	I decided to give it a try this last weekend and learned a few things. I started with about 81 grams of heavenly blue. I did my butane blast taking me three full tubes. I should have made it four and not packed them as tight. I felt a little bit of the bad effects but nothing to bad. Then i stilled out some 151 and got some high proof alc. I add a small amout of tatartic acid to it. Added the blasted seeds and mixed for at least 10 min. I let it sit for 2 hours in fridge. Poured it off and tried to evaportae a little of the alc. I let it sit in a dark area for a couple of hours and it evaporated a little. I read that you could put a fan on it so i tried it. That was my second mistake. I checked it in 15 min and the white stuff started to turn dark. I know i killed some of the LSA. Me and my friend took some. I was expecting more from it. I dont think i got all the LSA out of the mash and i think the fan killed some. Luckly i was plannig to try a second extract out of the seeds so i added more tatartic acid and alc and i have let it sit for 3 days. I am going to pour it off today and see what i get. I dont know when i will be able to try it though. So I think this method works good. I think i will pack the seeds not as tight and find a diffrent way to evaporate next time. I think a vacum chamber might work well for that. No oxegen and fast evaporation. I might try the peppermint oil next time too.

06-10-07, 14:21	#28 (permalink)
robman1 Mycophage Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 186	Is it definite that LSA is not soluble in butane?

06-11-07, 18:17	#30 (permalink)
robman1 Mycophage Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 186	Yeah I've always wondered why all I see is polar teks with MG and never a/b surely someone out there must have experimented with this?

06-12-07, 12:10	#32 (permalink)
mister Dragon Slayer/Savior Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 184	you filter after the alcohol extraction (it takes out all the goodies from the seeds) and let the liquid sit to evap I'd probably combine the dose with a shot of something, in case it tastes bad

06-12-07, 12:53	#33 (permalink)
~Shroomy Cacti Guest Posts: n/a	I tried my second extract out of my seeds and found that 2 hours is not long enough. I had them in the alcohol for a whole week and had much better extract. I took way less then what i did the first time and had way better experience but you need to blast your seeds realy well though. I had the lazy gastrinal stuff happen. Not as bad as it could be with out the blast but i think it would be a good idea to realy blast them and pack losely. Also there is the whole problem of evaporating your alcohol with out killing your lsa. I am still looking for a good method. I am interested in an acid base extraction to make it easyer to get your finnal product cleaner.

07-23-07, 06:18	#34 (permalink)
Shromadon Mycophiliac Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 64	Sorry to bring up an old thread, but triple refined and higher butane has just dissappeared. There is no way I would smoke honey oil made from regular butane, but what about this? It is not being smoked. Since the mush has to dry out before using, and is ingested not smoked, can normal butane be used? I would imagine it would be completely evaporated. Ive ingested quite a few nasties and have been fine, but was just wondering how bad this would be? I know people who smoke oil from shitty butane, as well as huff it regularly and are still fine, but better safe than sorry. Thanks

07-23-07, 11:21	#35 (permalink)
NEPHROSIS Mycotopiate Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 233	Caljet, do you know how to find out how much epsom salt you'll need to dry out the alcohol? Shromadon - You'll be fine. Refined butane still contains a bit of nasties in it.