Milking Bufo Alvarius aka Sonoran desert toad

[kr0nah0lic]

Hello everyone, first of all i'd like to say i've been an avid learner from these net forums and i have found them very helpful and useful in my own growth through psychedelics. Now i have yet another obstacle in my path, two juvenile bufo alvarius toads. I purchased these little guys a little over a month ago and they are just finally getting settled in. Im curious as to whether or not i can milk them for their venom? I know with adult toads it is not a problem but im a little hesitant with the little ones. Ive never smoked the venom before but have read NUMEROUS accounts of different experiences. mentally i am prepared for the trip but physically i dont think i understand enough of the process to extract and smoke it. tonight i need some help from those who have knowledge in doing this first hand. I consider these guys my pets and would not jeopardize their well being to extract the venom if they are too small. I am willing to wait if need be but I was just wondering if it would hurt them or whether the venom might be more or less potent. Also any tips on extracting, drying, and smoking it would be very helpful and much appreciated. Thank you!



"when the power of love overcomes the love of power, the earth will know peace" - Jimi Hendrix

[Dr_T]

It can't be good for the toads to do it wrong, or too early, or too aggressively.
You seem to understand that, I won't belabor it.

But it seems likely the juveniles have functional poison glands, possibly even extra-potent. Proceed carefully but normally with milking, and start small with dosing.

That's my advice, for what it's worth- I'm no herpetologist.

[cuts]

I have never owned one, but if my memory serves me right I've read that adult toads produce more venom and possibly even stronger venom. It may be worthwhile taking a look for yourself though. Type Bufo alvarius or sonoran desert toad, or something like that into google. May help you out.

[RockyRaccoon]

i know that poison dart frogs lose their venom when they are domesticated . the fire ants that they eat in the wild are a requirement to manufacture the frog's poison .

is it different for toads ? or do you still have to pay special attention to preserving their natural diet in order to render psychoactive venom ?

[mjshroomer]

Originally Posted by kr0nah0lic

Hello everyone, first of all i'd like to say i've been an avid learner from these net forums and i have found them very helpful and useful in my own growth through psychedelics. Now i have yet another obstacle in my path, two juvenile bufo alvarius toads. I purchased these little guys a little over a month ago and they are just finally getting settled in. Im curious as to whether or not i can milk them for their venom? I know with adult toads it is not a problem but im a little hesitant with the little ones. Ive never smoked the venom before but have read NUMEROUS accounts of different experiences. mentally i am prepared for the trip but physically i dont think i understand enough of the process to extract and smoke it. tonight i need some help from those who have knowledge in doing this first hand. I consider these guys my pets and would not jeopardize their well being to extract the venom if they are too small. I am willing to wait if need be but I was just wondering if it would hurt them or whether the venom might be more or less potent. Also any tips on extracting, drying, and smoking it would be very helpful and much appreciated. Thank you!

"when the power of love overcomes the love of power, the earth will know peace" - Jimi

Hendrix

There are many pet shops on the internet whch sell bufo toads which are not B. alvarius/

Some vendors do not know what they sell.

Like san pedro sellers who sell cereus cacti instead of Thricocereus..

Any way here from my library are some glan illustraitions of Bufo alvarius.

Fresh venom can easily be collected without any harm to the toad. Use a flat glass plate or any smooth non-porous surface at least twelve inches square. Hold the toad in front of the plate, which is fixed in a vertical position. In this manner, the venom can be collected on the glass plate, free od dirt and liquid released when the toad is handled.
Half a gram or more can be collected from a large adult toad. Half of that is water. But as much as 15% is 5-MEO-DMT. In other words, one adult toad is capable of producing one fresh gram equaling about 75 milligrams of 5-MEO-DMT capable of producing doses at three to five milligrams each.

When you are ready to begin, hold the toad firmly with one hand and, with thumb and forefinger of your other hand, squeeze near the base of the gland until the venom squirts out of the pores and onto the glass plate. Use this method to systematically collect the venom from each of the toad’s granular glands: those as seen in the four illustrations I have placed here: Those on the forearms, those on the tibia and femur of the hind leg and, of course the parotoids on the neck. Each gland can be squeezed a second time for an additional yield of venom if you allow the toad a one hour rest period. After this the glands are empty and require four to six weeks for regeneration.

The venom is viscous and milky-white in color when first squeezed from the glands. It begins drying within minutes and acquires the color and texture of rubber cement. Scrape the venom from the glass plate, dry it thoroughly, and store it in an airtight container until you are ready to use it.

The venom from B. alvarius is extremely hallucinogenic when vaporized by heat and taken into the lungs in the form of smoke. An adequate dose for a normal adult of average size is a piece of dried venom about the size of a paper match head. Shave it into thin slices with a razor blade and put the pieces in a clean one-toke pipe fitted with a brass screen.

Designate this pipe strictly for smoking toad venom. Apply a suitable flame and smoke the contents of the bowl in one complete inhalation. Try to hold the smoke in your lungs as long as possible as the effectiveness will depend largely on the full dose being absorbed in one breath. It may taste like burning plastic.

Additional reading can be found in:

Weil, Andrew and Wade Davis. 1994. Bufo Alvarius: A Potent hallucinogen of animal origin. Journal of Ethnopharmacology vol. 41:1.8.

There is also an additional article by Gartz and Thomas Lyttle but I cannot find it at this moment.

Bufo Toad maps:




Bufo Toad Glands:








Bufo Toad Photo:


I have more larger photos of the toads from Trout but am not sure where I filed them

mjshroomer

And do not under any set of circumstances, attempt to lick any bufo toads. They have toxins which can send you to the ER.

Mjshroomer

[kr0nah0lic]

Thanks for the info! very help advice guys I appreciate it. I will definitely be on the cautious side and start with small doses working my up to the bliss. Everything you have given me is enough info to do it right and I will be sure to do it correctly. I know these toxins carry more than just 5-meo which can be very harmful if not deadly. I look forward to extracting DMT from phalaris grass shortly and have plenty of questions to go along with that procedure aswell. Thanks again!

"when the power of love overcomes the love of power, the earth will know peace." - Jimi Hendrix

[kswissbob]

Does BBB provide the real bufo toad?
heres there link
http://www.bouncingbearbotanicals.co...oad-p-368.html

[DocOc]

As always, awesome MJ. I live in the Sonoran desert. Any suggestions on where to collect them assuming that they are not endangered? Also, I assume that they live in the irrigated regions since they are semi-aquatic. Is that accurate?

[slipp3ry]

Originally Posted by kr0nah0lic

Thanks for the info! very help advice guys I appreciate it. I will definitely be on the cautious side and start with small doses working my up to the bliss. Everything you have given me is enough info to do it right and I will be sure to do it correctly. I know these toxins carry more than just 5-meo which can be very harmful if not deadly. I look forward to extracting DMT from phalaris grass shortly and have plenty of questions to go along with that procedure aswell. Thanks again!

what bliss?


i saw a video on youtube about how to do it. you're not supposed to do it more than once every 2-3 weeks or they can get sick and die from trying to produce enough toxin.

[cuts]

Originally Posted by slipp3ry

what bliss?


i saw a video on youtube about how to do it. you're not supposed to do it more than once every 2-3 weeks or they can get sick and die from trying to produce enough toxin.

Actually, after you fully milk the toad, your supposed to let it recoop for 6 weeks before trying again.

[cuts]

Originally Posted by kswissbob

Does BBB provide the real bufo toad?
heres there link
http://www.bouncingbearbotanicals.co...oad-p-368.html

Yes, many people here have bought their bufo alvarius with satisfaction.

[kr0nah0lic]

Im sure after i milk both of them i wont need to milk them for another year. especially considering how intense the trip is... I like to recoop, myself, and take some time to learn from each experience. considering they are juveniles i would take extra care in making sure they are not hurt in the process. Like i said before they are my pets and i wouldnt do anything to jeopardies their well being.

[slipp3ry]

Originally Posted by cuts

Actually, after you fully milk the toad, your supposed to let it recoop for 6 weeks before trying again.

nice correction.. i didnt mean to sound so matter-of-fact bc ive never owned one, just saw a video about it some time back.

[PsychoDrogue]

If you dont have a scale thats accurate to milligrams i recommend you stop all consumption til you get one. I have gone too far once with my bufo and it's been a simple pet ever since. I dont even milk him anymore. Its a truly dreadful experience, not like DMT where death feels welcome, its bad. and the dose that put me over looked just like every other one i had 'eyeballed'... White out, lose consciousness, puke and sweat your brains out all in a matter of seconds.

That being said...

Hope you enjoy your toads!!!

make sure you have a trip sitter if not for anything else, but to make sure you dont drown in your own fluids.

[kr0nah0lic]

yes sir, any time you are ingesting or smoking something with unknowing affects you should always have a guide or sitter. Thats all in the basic set and setting 101, if you know what i mean. Ive read many different tails of good and bad trips on 5-meo and there is no question it is much different than DMT. as with any psychedelics caution should always be exercised in the highest degree. I feel as long as the amount being smoked is gradually increased the trip will be a little more controlable and a little less likely to scare the shit out of me. Be prepared to see things far greater than your imagination can even conceive. Thats how i prepare for any psychadelic trip and its worked everytime. not to say i havnt been scared, but the better prepared you are and the more knowledge you have of something, the easier it is to decifer the good from the bad, the right from the wrong. what to do and what not to do... and so on...

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the earth will know peace" - Jimi Hendrix

[PsychoDrogue]

great way to look at things, good luck, just be careful. with dmt you can easily just keep raising the level til your happy. with bufo venom there is a point it becomes physically dangerous. So i wouldn't just keep raising your dose as you feel you can handle it. I would find the lowest dose that blows your mind and never go above it with this substance.

[kr0nah0lic]

ok thanks man i will definitely keep that in mind and take that into consideration. Im here for a heads up and thats just wat you have given me.

Thanks everyone.

"when the power of love overcomes the love of power, the earth will know peace." - Jimi Hendrix

[kr0nah0lic]

"you dont need a gun to blow your mind" "a mind blown is a mind shown" - John Lennon

[Psilo-somatic]

I dont agree with milking Bufo. If you have to (like i did with mine) try it once and then leave them be. It stresses them out quite a bit and you have to use quite a bit of pressure to coax out the venom. If you want the Meo+Bufo combo, get some yopo seeds. theyre fun

[Ras Asad]

if they are just settling in,

it wont be good to stress them more just to get high.

they just came out of a box a month ago,
let them be imo.

become good friends with them before you start "bleedin" em for a buzz. lol
for whatever its worth, if it was me, i would let them be for a number of months before i even thought about it.

peace

[kr0nah0lic]

well thank you gentlemen, but any animal can recoop from stress given the proper care. I understand toads like anything else can be abused for their venom but just exercising those glads once a year wont hurt. besides their appetite is enormous and they really do love their new home.

[mushroommaster7]

who would think, to force this animal to secrete it's venom, then dry it out and pack it and smoke it? human beings are funny, like that

[kr0nah0lic]

not funny just creative, all we do is harness something that is already naturally occurring in the environment around us. doesnt mean we hurt it or disturb it, just harness it and use it to our advantage. Thats not to say that everyone has the environment in mind when interacting with it... I mean if they did we wouldnt be in the situation we are today on the brink of environmental collapse. doesnt mean by myself having a desire to experience the world around me through the world around is contributing to that collapse. if that even makes any sense.... Im just tryn to live in harmony with the world around me by experiencing everything it has to offer! while still protecting and preserving everything that makes it true.

"when the power of love overcomes the love of power, the earth will know peace" - Jimi Hendrix

[mushroommaster7]

curious as a cat