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12-21-04, 14:42
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I have a couple. There very nice and i named them tweedle dee and tweddle dum. They just sit there all day long in the tubberware. They havent been eating much at all and it's starting to worry me.
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12-21-04, 15:01
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<font color="0000ff">Lucy, how large (surface area) is their environment? Have you been feeding them live prey (crickets, pinky mice, mealy bugs)? Do you have a pond for them to lounge in? A heat lamp? Temps and seasons could cause them to fast. Its also possible that they went without food during capture and shipping. They would have been quite hungry for a while after you received them. Now that they've gained some weight they have slacked off for a bit. Normally they become spoiled and have voracious appetites. Mojo will come to the end of the aquarium and eyeball you when she's hungry. Sometimes she will just lay nestled in the pet bedding for several days, not hungry and only moving to get in and out of her pond and returning to her spot. When I buy crickets I often put the container on top of the screen cover so she can hear them. Won't be long until she's sitting up staring at it, waiting for a snack. </font> (Message edited by sweetness on December 21, 2004) |
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12-22-04, 00:29
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<font color="0000ff">55 gal aquarium 3 bags of repti bark Water container Lamp housing (clip on kind found in pet store) Red heat bulb Screen top for the aquarium Herpicare Cricket Dust Cricket container Dump the reptibark in. I keep it lower around the water bowl. Get a water bowl deep enough that the toads can sit in it and be at least 1/2 way covered up. I have the light sitting on top of the scteen/lid at one end of the aquarium and the water in the middle. Keep the water container cleaned as often as possible, they use this to excrete as well as rehydrate and adjust their body temp. Sprinkle a couple of scoops of cricket dust in the container, buy a dozen large crickets and dump them in and shake it so they get coated. Put a few crickets in the aquarium at a time and let them eat. Next day move the bark around to disturb the crickets so they'll get eaten. Don't leave live prey in there to die. Crickets will sometimes bite the toads, they like to chew on things. Another reason not to leave them in there. It takes a while and your arm may get sore but eventually they will eat food that you dangle above them. And they learn fast. A pinky mouse (live, not frozen) will get their attention pretty fast and is easiest to teach them with. You can also buy some live mealy worms. I only feed these by hand because they will burrow into the bark/bedding, you can't find them and they eventually die. So over the course of say, 2 weeks I will go thru a dozen crickets, a pinky mouse and a container of 50 mealy worms. Not all of the worms make it. They don't last long. You can keep them in the fridge and take out a few at a time to warm up before feeding. How long have you had them? </font> |
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12-22-04, 11:31
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| Mycophage Join Date: Dec 1972
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Thank you very much, I have a clearer idea of the responsibilites and necessary habitat of the toadies. Alot of work, but a labor of love. I think it would be like any other pet, you need to love them to care properly for em. Thanx again Sweets. Did you have a book, or did you wing it? I suppose previous experience with cold blooded animals is a plus, mine begins and ends with marine fish and animals. Not a good starting point lol..
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12-22-04, 12:08
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| I suppose previous experience with cold blooded animals is a plus <font color="0000ff">I've been married before and dated some so yes, you could say I have some exp. A friend of mine had a pair and he is quite exp with raising them. Basically gave me the same info I gave you. Have you sexed them yet? Actually the 55 gal aquarium was what I could get at the time. I would much prefer more surface area. Please keep us informed on their eating habits. And take pics! <u>Archives</u></font> Last edited by Hippie3; 10-20-06 at 09:01. |
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12-22-04, 12:21
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<blockquote><hr size=0><!-quote-!><font size=1>quote:</font> I've been married before and dated some so yes, you could say I have some exp. <!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote> Damn if i didnt leave myself wide open for that one lmfao. |
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12-22-04, 12:30
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Yeah I have a 55 gallon tubberware with two toads in them. There habitat is peat moss, with a bowl that's pretty big to submerge them under at least 2 inches. They both only now eat like two crickets a piece and before that they were eating a half a dozen or so a piece. I have some heating rocks in there as well as a lamp that's kept on 12 hours a day. They look alot skinnier then before which is kind of worrying me.
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12-22-04, 15:23
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<font color="0000ff">Maybe they're going dormant. If so there's not much you can do. They will sleep for days. Also, you'll want to ck the temp of your environment. Test it at diff locations in the tank. 75ºF-80ºF is good. Not sure you need a lamp and stones. Go to the pet store and get the smallest mouse they have but get one that will run around. Drop it in and see if they take the bait. Basically they can eat just about anything they can catch so I wouldn't worry that its not a pinky. I would be interested knowing if they are enticed by it. <u>Here's</u> a care sheet from Bouncing Bear. </font> |
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10-10-06, 01:39
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Best way of milking toads I've found is to put the toad in a clear plastic bag and milk the venom onto the bag through the plastic. Turn bag inside out and scrape from bag. With a little practice the venom is neatly deposited and the whole operation performed simply, easily and amazingly quickly. I've done this several times with cane toads (not really worth it as far as I can tell, I dont think it has enough bufotenine) and assume it would be just as easy with alvarius. |
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10-10-06, 15:44
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Sounds much like an alien abduction to me.That is quite cruel. is it worth all the stress to the animal??? 5-meo-DMT is found in plants aswell,leave them toads alone unless your trying to help the species. | |
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10-10-06, 22:03
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Seems there is some concern regarding animal creulty voiced. I dont beleive overmuch stess is caused to the animal. One should use a plastic bag of the thinnest texture. Using this technique one can perform the whole operation quickly, efficiently in less than a minute and then the toads released. I dont think the toad stresses more than one getting a couple pimples squeezed, after all the sacs are designed to release venom. A cow being hearded and then milked, a sheep or other animal being shorn, or a horse having its hooves looked after would suffer just as much if not more stress. Yes 5-Meo can be found from other sources but it is my understanding that toad venom is uniquely different from that of the other sources. Maybe we are meant to utilize it, spiritual lessons come in many forms. |
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10-11-06, 00:52
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Whenever Steve Irwin (RIP) handled a snake he would gently stroke it's tail to calm it down and let it know he was'nt a threat. On the show I always noticed the snakes were really pissed at first and then calmed down once they knew he ment no harm. The same basic concept would probably work with a toad. Be gentle with it and let it know your cool. But I'm sure anyone willing to spend an arm and a leg on a toad is treating the creature right anyways. Y'all worry to much.
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10-11-06, 13:12
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I used to create very large and lush tropical terrariums and so would had several 'dealers' of frogs. Once this guy offered me a 'sacred toad'. I asked the species name and immediately knew what he was offering. I asked him to show me it, mostly out of curiosity. What I saw was completely shocking. Where the glands used to be on the head and legs, there were only scars. Don't know the whole story here, but the poor guy was probably cut or squeezed to the extreme. Long story short, I bought him and made sure the rest of his life (several years) were as comfortable and happy as possible. Light handling only when you want some puss (and yes, that is basically what it is like) will work just fine. Then just scrape it off. If you handle too much their defense reaction will lessen and it won't work as well. And, IMO and from what I have seen, 'getting every last drop' is nothing but cruel. No good hippy vibes coming off that! And if your getting loads out of a plastic bag, well, you must be literally scaring the shit out of it. So be kind and do it in a manner as mutually sensitive as possible. If you purchase them, please make sure they are bred and not wild caught as their numbers are dwindling. And please don't milk them from the wild as they will be defenseless for a month. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colorado_River_toad Sorry, everyone, I'll get off my tree hugging soap box now.
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10-11-06, 13:48
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i thought about buying one a year or two ago, i still would like one... how big of a terrarium would you need for two toads? im sure i could make one reasonably easy, im just not too sure on how many you can pack into a somewhat small area...
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10-11-06, 23:39
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Funny enough when its tightly confined it seems to calm down.A lot of animals have this reaction.After the initial struggle, the animal is calm and when you take your confining hand away the animal continues to sit there calmly. Maybe its stoned or something.  |
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10-11-06, 23:46
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a dark bag, opaque, would likely help calm him too. i don't think we need lectures on morality or ethics of keeping toads captive. abuse is bad, neglect is bad- we can all agree that humane treatment is best for both the toad and its' keeper. beyond that simple basic concern it's personal choice, not PETA, that reigns supreme here.
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