The Stem Butt Recycle project [cannibal cubies]

golly · 11-01-06, 20:55

I had a ton of Stem Butts from my last harvest about 3 weeks ago And thought it would be interesting to see if recycling them into my next grow would have any effect on cropping or potency...

I composted the butts in a mini heated bin at 125F for 7 days.. The only addition was a little "seed" material from an outdoor compost pile and a bit of verm
for aeration..

The mix turned black and crumbly surprizingly fast...

So i spawned at a 1:2 ratio with Cake into this 10 inch dish...
About 55% of the sub is recycled Butts...

I have no idea if any potency increase will occur , probably not, but still a fun experiment -if i don't F it up...

1st pic - almost ready to case... and 2nd pic cased 80/20 verm coir...

llamabox · 11-01-06, 21:09

OOOO.... Canabalistic mycelium. Yummy.

Pedestrian · 11-01-06, 23:56

Looks like mycelium on steroids there golly... Can't wait to see what the fruits are going to look like.

waylitjim · 11-02-06, 00:11

Interesting experiment, what did you use to keep the temp at 125F?

golly · 11-02-06, 18:27

Heh...Yeah they're def chomping on their own kind...

The composter is essentially a tub in tub type setup...Using two 5 gallon metal buckets and a 25W light bulb for heat...

I use a kitchen garbage bag for holding the compost so everything stays clean.. The temp probe is attatched to a piece of plastic coat hanger so it
can be jammed into the mix.....

I'm also using this for slow pasteurizing ...I placed some triched out substrate in a ziplock and jammed it into the compost for a day and it was completely killed..
I did the same thing in a pot of 170F water for two hrs and it survived ..so there's something to be said for low temp/long duration pasturization...

Using a 25W bulb produces a 125-130F temp in the compost..
A 40W bulb increases to 160-170F... The bulb is in a Qt jar to protect it..

here's a few pix..

golly · 11-02-06, 18:34

Here's a quick pic of the Cannibal stembutt tray...Now moving into the casing layer...

golly · 11-04-06, 13:38

Decided to pop the sub out of it's tray and fruit as a flat cake..with luck this should be pinning soon ..
Then we shall see whether the tryptamines survived composting and can be re-absorbed into the new generation...

Anyone have a prediction...?

lost_onabbey_rd · 11-04-06, 13:45

i predict you will trip off them

it's gonna be hard to determine if any of the tryptamines survived the composting. very hard IMHO. i guess you could go with a below "normal" baseline dose of .5-1g and see what the effects are, but even then the placibo effect could still come into play.
as far as pins .. kinda looks like there is one staring at us from top edge right in the center.. can't wait to see that thing explode though it's got some really pretty rhizos

one question for ya though golly..
was the cake you used to spawn MS or some sort of ISO b/c it looks like it tore threw that substrait.
lost

bullfrog · 11-04-06, 14:10

commercial button mushroom farmers compost the butts back into their
compost. not for the same reason as you.

i saw the mushroom farmers recycle the butts on the show "DIRTY JOBS".

GOOD LUCK WITH THE GROW !

golly · 11-04-06, 15:28

It's GT multispore....I think i can be relatively objective on potency ..I've been munching these things every week for the last few years so i have plenty to compare with...Also i'm not expecting any earth shaking differences...
If it's like a slightly more potent experience, then that could not really be considered as having worthwhile benefit...
It would have to be a dramatic increase for me to say this experiment is worth repeating....

Anyway the chickens haven't even hatched yet ....

Bobcat · 11-04-06, 18:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by bullfrog

commercial button mushroom farmers compost the butts back into their
compost. not for the same reason as you.

i saw the mushroom farmers recycle the butts on the show "DIRTY JOBS".

GOOD LUCK WITH THE GROW !

Ya mean that show on TLC or DISC or one of those? I'll have to keep my eye out for the mushroom episode!

golly · 11-08-06, 13:58

OK now,, ya'll don't laugh at my retarded child..heh..I left the U. sonic on all night, accidentally,,and the water had just been treated with peroxide..

But the experiment must go on eh..Btw these are Texans not GT...

The second flush should be a bit sexier...Anyhooo..The blueing on the stems
is maybe slightly more than average but not enough to conclude anything..

I'm only going to dry the more normal looking ones for the taste test Saturday...

BuckarooBanzai · 11-08-06, 14:05

Cool experiment.

I like the pics, too. "Night of the Living Dead Mushroom!"

dial8 · 11-08-06, 14:32

Very cool! Can't wait to see how your saturday goes. When I first saw the post I thought you were using butts as dry spawn. So the growing mycelium is consuming some of their own dead........muhaaaahaaa!

golly · 11-08-06, 14:55

Yes ,the whole affair is really quite sordid....

Cannibal shroomies..

If this method does help increase the psilly, then one could keep recycling each subsequent generations stembutts - further consentrating the alkaloids....Oh my...!!...

python · 11-08-06, 14:59

sorry bout the Ultrasonic may-lay golly.....

the experiment you are doing is a good one.....I do not, however, think that the mushrooms will gain potency....and if they do, the gain will be very, very minimal........

that being said, some commercial growers recycle almost everything they can.....nutrients are nutrients

good work and thanks for sharing

Mycorama · 11-08-06, 15:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by bullfrog

commercial button mushroom farmers compost the butts back into their
compost. not for the same reason as you.

i saw the mushroom farmers recycle the butts on the show "DIRTY JOBS".

GOOD LUCK WITH THE GROW !

GREAT SHOW, the host is funnier then shit.

i saw the same one and damn they grow a SHITLOAD of mushrooms.
lol the guy that harvests the mushrooms was Pro.
but damn, what a bitch of a job...

i heard that mushrooms are mainly made of niacin, idk if its true but i assume that your mushrooms would be able to absorb that niacin and hold it in their fruit bodys.
idk about psilly though, it might be kinda hard to judge if you get any higher from these then any other shroom.

oibchip · 11-08-06, 16:06

Can always count on you Golly for an interesting read..I hope the trip report is a good one!

golly · 11-12-06, 20:24

Well i tried the Texans - 2 grams powdered and cap'd ..The effect was very strong for the amount...I had to quit what i was doing and get into the trip cause i wasn't really expecting visuals and colours...It only lasted a couple hours though..
Decided i'm going to use the second flush as compost for another generation, to gather more data...heh...
My problem is that these were supposed to be GT's and i'm not too familiar with normal Texas mush potency ..The next batch will be the "Teacher"

11-12-06, 23:10

Too bad you didn't have the same amount of regular grown Texans to compare for a more scientific method of testing.

Hippie3 · 11-13-06, 11:57

Quote:

i heard that mushrooms are mainly made of niacin

huh? i don't think so-
where did you hear that ?

spacecake · 11-13-06, 13:01

They are made out of the same stuff that sea-shells are made off... !
However..I don't now the name..?!

golly · 11-13-06, 18:14

Pretty sure they're slugs n' snails and puppy dog tails...
And yes that was a minor F#*k up ,,but at least i'll have 2 generations of potential consentrates for the next round...

wtoad · 11-13-06, 23:32

Snail shells are made of calcium carbonate with a protective chitin coating, no?

Chitin is thicker on land and freshwater snails, calcium carbonate primarily thicker on saltwater snails.

Just being nit picky...and bored.

http://dictionary.reference.com/sear...acum&x=52&y=12

Chitin is like cellulose which I assume is similar to the stuff mushrooms are made of?

(Its the stuff dreams are made of...)

golly · 12-24-06, 12:54

So the second generation of stembutt shrooms was just harvested ,
These should provide a more difinitive answer to the question of consentrating the primary elements that effect potency...

The last batch were quite strong , so if these are stronger still ,then
there would be good reason to believe that potency can be modified by
using the right substrate nutrients [recycled shroomage]

Will test em next weekend....

cheshire · 12-24-06, 13:22

you so hectic golly

golly · 12-31-06, 12:06

The second test proved well...A single gram produced a very nice/strong buzz with light visuals for a full 5 hours...So this is encouraging,,,Next week i will take a similar dose of normal GT's for comparison ,then back again with the "enhanced" boomers..

So eventually a more accurate assessment can be realized..
.
Many folks end up growing more shrooms than they can use and this could be a great way to make use of em - by recycling...

Will update as more tests play out...

12-31-06, 14:10

Very exciting to hear golly, glad you're doing more scientific testing now.

Thanks for the update.

Btw, If there is a 'placibo effect' like lost mentioned, you could always do a blind test, then look at the identifying labels the next day.

golly · 01-09-07, 14:43

Thnx Water,,,Well i sampled a gram of the control group and the effect was half that of the stembut grown shrooms ,quite dramatic actually..
going to re-dose on the control group once more...

Also going to begin the same experiment with South Americans,,If the results are similar, then i will be convinced of the benefits from recycling the goods...
My theory is - that even though the triptamine molecules are proly broken down completely , the basic elements for reconstruction remain
in generous proportions...

BuckarooBanzai · 01-09-07, 15:00

Very cool stuff, man. Interesting implications.

I await further results most anxiously!

Cthulhu's Tentacle · 01-09-07, 17:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by BuckarooBanzai

Cool experiment.

I like the pics, too. "Night of the Living Dead Mushroom!"

GRAAAAAAAINNS!!!!

01-09-07, 17:59

01-09-07, 18:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by golly

Also going to begin the same experiment with South Americans,,If the results are similar, then i will be convinced of the benefits from recycling the goods...
My theory is - that even though the triptamine molecules are proly broken down completely , the basic elements for reconstruction remain
in generous proportions...

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11-01-06, 21:09	#2 (permalink)
llamabox Mycotopiate Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,277	OOOO.... Canabalistic mycelium. Yummy. __________________ By, Rocketman "Well since you asked....."

11-01-06, 23:56	#3 (permalink)
Pedestrian Dreamspace Transient Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 563	Looks like mycelium on steroids there golly... Can't wait to see what the fruits are going to look like. __________________ Intuition is superior to logic.

11-02-06, 00:11	#4 (permalink)
waylitjim Grateful Mod Join Date: Sep 1972 Posts: 3,936	Interesting experiment, what did you use to keep the temp at 125F? __________________ <((( Waylit's Pan cyan Tek ~~~ Waylit's Wood Lover Tek )))>

11-04-06, 13:45	#8 (permalink)
lost_onabbey_rd The Lost Join Date: Apr 1972 Posts: 1,359	i predict you will trip off them it's gonna be hard to determine if any of the tryptamines survived the composting. very hard IMHO. i guess you could go with a below "normal" baseline dose of .5-1g and see what the effects are, but even then the placibo effect could still come into play. as far as pins .. kinda looks like there is one staring at us from top edge right in the center.. can't wait to see that thing explode though it's got some really pretty rhizos one question for ya though golly.. was the cake you used to spawn MS or some sort of ISO b/c it looks like it tore threw that substrait. lost __________________ Plant a seed, It will grow, So it's been, Sow the show To think outside the box, sometimes it is nessecary to step, outside the box

11-04-06, 14:10	#9 (permalink)
bullfrog Mycophage Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 166	commercial button mushroom farmers compost the butts back into their compost. not for the same reason as you. i saw the mushroom farmers recycle the butts on the show "DIRTY JOBS". GOOD LUCK WITH THE GROW ! __________________ Peace and Goodtimes !!!

11-04-06, 15:28	#10 (permalink)
golly modapotato Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 5,669	It's GT multispore....I think i can be relatively objective on potency ..I've been munching these things every week for the last few years so i have plenty to compare with...Also i'm not expecting any earth shaking differences... If it's like a slightly more potent experience, then that could not really be considered as having worthwhile benefit... It would have to be a dramatic increase for me to say this experiment is worth repeating.... Anyway the chickens haven't even hatched yet ....

11-08-06, 14:05	#13 (permalink)
BuckarooBanzai Prone to ranting... Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 4,243	Cool experiment. I like the pics, too. "Night of the Living Dead Mushroom!" __________________ Banzai Institute for Higher Education (a collection of growing Teks & threads)

11-08-06, 14:32	#14 (permalink)
dial8 Un Undead ***er8tor Join Date: Jun 1976 Posts: 3,181	Very cool! Can't wait to see how your saturday goes. When I first saw the post I thought you were using butts as dry spawn. So the growing mycelium is consuming some of their own dead........muhaaaahaaa!

11-08-06, 14:55	#15 (permalink)
golly modapotato Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 5,669	Yes ,the whole affair is really quite sordid.... Cannibal shroomies.. If this method does help increase the psilly, then one could keep recycling each subsequent generations stembutts - further consentrating the alkaloids....Oh my...!!...

11-08-06, 14:59	#16 (permalink)
python Virtuoso Join Date: Apr 1973 Posts: 2,652	sorry bout the Ultrasonic may-lay golly..... the experiment you are doing is a good one.....I do not, however, think that the mushrooms will gain potency....and if they do, the gain will be very, very minimal........ that being said, some commercial growers recycle almost everything they can.....nutrients are nutrients good work and thanks for sharing

11-08-06, 16:06	#18 (permalink)
oibchip Space Lord Modulator Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 5,064	Can always count on you Golly for an interesting read..I hope the trip report is a good one!

11-12-06, 20:24	#19 (permalink)
golly modapotato Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 5,669	Well i tried the Texans - 2 grams powdered and cap'd ..The effect was very strong for the amount...I had to quit what i was doing and get into the trip cause i wasn't really expecting visuals and colours...It only lasted a couple hours though.. Decided i'm going to use the second flush as compost for another generation, to gather more data...heh... My problem is that these were supposed to be GT's and i'm not too familiar with normal Texas mush potency ..The next batch will be the "Teacher"

11-12-06, 23:10	#20 (permalink)
~Water Guest Posts: n/a	Too bad you didn't have the same amount of regular grown Texans to compare for a more scientific method of testing.

11-13-06, 13:01	#22 (permalink)
spacecake Universal Mod Join Date: May 1972 Posts: 3,801	They are made out of the same stuff that sea-shells are made off... ! However..I don't now the name..?! __________________ Neurologic

11-13-06, 18:14	#23 (permalink)
golly modapotato Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 5,669	Pretty sure they're slugs n' snails and puppy dog tails... And yes that was a minor F#*k up ,,but at least i'll have 2 generations of potential consentrates for the next round...

11-13-06, 23:32	#24 (permalink)
wtoad Mycophiliac Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 61	Going to shell... Snail shells are made of calcium carbonate with a protective chitin coating, no? Chitin is thicker on land and freshwater snails, calcium carbonate primarily thicker on saltwater snails. Just being nit picky...and bored. http://dictionary.reference.com/sear...acum&x=52&y=12 Chitin is like cellulose which I assume is similar to the stuff mushrooms are made of? (Its the stuff dreams are made of...) __________________ And then there were none...

12-24-06, 12:54	#25 (permalink)
golly modapotato Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 5,669	So the second generation of stembutt shrooms was just harvested , These should provide a more difinitive answer to the question of consentrating the primary elements that effect potency... The last batch were quite strong , so if these are stronger still ,then there would be good reason to believe that potency can be modified by using the right substrate nutrients [recycled shroomage] Will test em next weekend....

12-24-06, 13:22	#26 (permalink)
cheshire Mycotopiate Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 650	you so hectic golly

12-31-06, 12:06	#27 (permalink)
golly modapotato Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 5,669	The second test proved well...A single gram produced a very nice/strong buzz with light visuals for a full 5 hours...So this is encouraging,,,Next week i will take a similar dose of normal GT's for comparison ,then back again with the "enhanced" boomers.. So eventually a more accurate assessment can be realized.. . Many folks end up growing more shrooms than they can use and this could be a great way to make use of em - by recycling... Will update as more tests play out...

12-31-06, 14:10	#28 (permalink)
~Water Guest Posts: n/a	Very exciting to hear golly, glad you're doing more scientific testing now. Thanks for the update. Btw, If there is a 'placibo effect' like lost mentioned, you could always do a blind test, then look at the identifying labels the next day.

01-09-07, 14:43	#29 (permalink)
golly modapotato Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 5,669	Thnx Water,,,Well i sampled a gram of the control group and the effect was half that of the stembut grown shrooms ,quite dramatic actually.. going to re-dose on the control group once more... Also going to begin the same experiment with South Americans,,If the results are similar, then i will be convinced of the benefits from recycling the goods... My theory is - that even though the triptamine molecules are proly broken down completely , the basic elements for reconstruction remain in generous proportions...

01-09-07, 15:00	#30 (permalink)
BuckarooBanzai Prone to ranting... Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 4,243	Very cool stuff, man. Interesting implications. I await further results most anxiously! __________________ Banzai Institute for Higher Education (a collection of growing Teks & threads)